Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) Prophecised in other Scriptures.

format_quote Originally Posted by thirdwatch512

jesus's father was joseph.

oh, and i take the back, the Torah never does say the prophets must be jewish.

however, if you read the Torah completely, it predicts ONE messiah in the future.. one. no more then that. it basically talks about all of the prophets that have come and their laws, and then it says that in the future another prophet will come.. but no other prophets. just one messiah. and muslims can't think that mohammad was the one, because although he may very well fit the discription of the messiah, islam also accepts jesus as a prophet, which would be impossible according to the torah.

Please don't take this offensively, but all those quotes you've made and yet your an athiest? Why even care if you don't believe in God at all?

I know thirdwatch512 has a disabled account, but just had to get that off my shoulders...

format_quote Originally Posted by Grace Seeker

I'm probably going to tick-off a few of my more fundamentalist Christian friends here by admitting that this is a rather new message. (New, as in only 500 year old, instead of 2000.)

People have told me I'm a fundamentalist. Well if that means I stick to the Word, that's fine with me. In respect of your comments about various interpretations, the following seems to indicate that the work of atonement was done on the cross.

Joh 19:30 When Jesus therefore had received the vinegar, he said, It is finished: and he bowed his head, and gave up the ghost.

The following extract from Matthew Henry's concise commentary has the following to say in this regard:
It is finished; that is, the counsels of the Father concerning his sufferings were now fulfilled. It is finished; all the types and prophecies of the Old Testament, which pointed at the sufferings of the Messiah, were accomplished. It is finished; the ceremonial law is abolished; the substance is now come, and all the shadows are done away. It is finished; an end is made of transgression by bringing in an everlasting righteousness. His sufferings were now finished, both those of his soul, and those of his body. It is finished; the work of man's redemption and salvation is now completed. His life was not taken from him by force, but freely given up.
But this is not the forum to discuss that as we have strayed substantially from the original - Muhammad prophesied. It will be interesting to discuss your views further on a website and forum we have just launched -www.fanap.co.za/forum.

The nature of GOD is that He is just, infinitely pure and holy.

When a sin is committed a payment must be made- if this were not the case then GOD would not be just!! One can say they are sorry but that does not pay the debt. GOD loves the sinner but hates sin, so He sent someone to cover the debt for us.

Jesus has paid the debt for us, as a Christians we accept the gift given to us by our loving GOD. Those that do not accept the gift from GOD will be judged by the Law.

Romans 2

12All who sin apart from the law will also perish apart from the law, and all who sin under the law will be judged by the law. 13For it is not those who hear the law who are righteous in God's sight, but it is those who obey the law who will be declared righteous. 14(Indeed, when Gentiles, who do not have the law, do by nature things required by the law, they are a law for themselves, even though they do not have the law, 15since they show that the requirements of the law are written on their hearts, their consciences also bearing witness, and their thoughts now accusing, now even defending them.) 16This will take place on the day when God will judge men's secrets through Jesus Christ, as my gospel declares.

The Jews and the Law
17Now you, if you call yourself a Jew; if you rely on the law and brag about your relationship to God; 18if you know his will and approve of what is superior because you are instructed by the law; 19if you are convinced that you are a guide for the blind, a light for those who are in the dark, 20an instructor of the foolish, a teacher of infants, because you have in the law the embodiment of knowledge and truth— 21you, then, who teach others, do you not teach yourself? You who preach against stealing, do you steal? 22You who say that people should not commit adultery, do you commit adultery? You who abhor idols, do you rob temples? 23You who brag about the law, do you dishonor God by breaking the law? 24As it is written: "God's name is blasphemed among the Gentiles because of you."

format_quote Originally Posted by - Qatada -

Prophet Muhammad (peace and blessings be upon him and his beloved family) in the Bible.

by Dr. Zakir Naik



Prophet Muhammad (peace and blessings be upon him) in the Old Testament:

The Qur’an mentions in Surah Al-Araf chapter 7 verse 157:

"Those who follow the Messenger, the unlettered Prophet, whom they find mentioned in their own (scriptures) in the law and the Gospel".


1. Muhammad (Peace and blessings be upon him) Prophesised in the book of Deuteronomy:

Almighty God speaks to Moses in Book of Deuteronomy chapter 18 verse 18:

"I will raise them up a Prophet from among their brethren, like unto thee, and I will put my words in his mouth; and he shall speak unto them all that I shall command him."

The Christians say that this prophecy refers to Jesus (peace be upon him) because Jesus (peace be upon him) was like Moses (peace be upon him). Moses (peace be upon him) was a Jew, as well as Jesus (peace be upon him) was a Jew. Moses (peace be upon him) was a Prophet and Jesus (peace be upon him) was also a Prophet.

If these two are the only criteria for this prophecy to be fulfilled, then all the Prophets of the Bible who came after
Moses (peace be upon him) such as Solomon, Isaiah, Ezekiel, Daniel, Hosea, Joel, Malachi, John the Baptist, etc. (peace be upon them all) will
fulfill this prophecy since all were Jews as well as prophets.


However, it is Prophet Muhammad (peace and blessings be upon him) who is like Moses (peace be upon him):


i) Both had a father and a mother, while Jesus (pbuh) was born miraculously without any male intervention.

[Mathew 1:18 and Luke 1:35 and also Al-Qur'an 3:42-47]


ii) Both were married and had children. Jesus (pbuh) according to the Bible did not marry nor had children.

iii) Both died natural deaths. Jesus (pbuh) has been raised up alive.
(4:157-158)


Muhammad (peace and blessings be upon him) is from among the brethren of Moses (peace be upon him). Arabs are brethren of Jews. Abraham (peace be upon him) had two sons: Ishmail and Isaac (pbut). The Arabs are the descendants of Ishmail (peace be upon him) and the Jews are the descendants of Isaac (peace be upon him).


Words in the mouth:

Prophet Muhammad (peace and blessings be upon him) was unlettered and whatever revelations he received from Almighty God he repeated them verbatim.

"I will raise them up a Prophet from among their brethren, like unto thee, and will put my words in his mouth; and he shall speak unto them all that I shall command him."

[Deuteronomy 18:18]


iv) Both besides being Prophets were also kings i.e. they could inflict capital punishment. Jesus (pbuh) said, "My kingdom is not of this world." (John 18:36).

v) Both were accepted as Prophets by their people in their lifetime but Jesus (pbuh) was rejected by his
people. John chapter 1 verse 11 states, "He came unto his own, but his own received him not."

iv) Both brought new laws and new regulations for their people. Jesus (pbuh) according to the Bible did not bring any new laws. (Mathew 5:17-18).


2. It is Mentioned in the book of Deuteronomy chapter 18:19

"And it shall come to pass, that whosoever will not harken unto my words which he shall speak in my name, I will require it of him."


3. Muhammad (peace and blessings be upon him) is prophesised in the book of Isaiah:

It is mentioned in the book of Isaiah chapter 29 verse 12:

"And the book is delivered to him that is not learned, saying, Read this, I pray thee: and he saith, I am not learned."

When Archangel Gabrail commanded Muhammad (peace and blessings be upon him) by saying Iqra - "Read", he replied, "I am not learned".


4. Prophet Muhammad (peace and blessings be upon him) mentioned by name in the old testament:

Prophet Muhammad (peace and blessings be upon him) is mentioned by name in the Song of Solomon chapter 5 verse 16:

"Hikko Mamittakim we kullo Muhammadim Zehdoodeh wa Zehraee Bayna Jerusalem."

"His mouth is most sweet: yea, he is altogether lovely. This is my beloved, and this is my friend, O daughters of Jerusalem."


In the Hebrew language im is added for respect. Similarely im is added after the name of Prophet Muhammad (peace and blessings be upon him) to make it Muhammadim. In English translation they have even translated the name of Prophet Muhammad (peace and blessings be upon him) as "altogether lovely", but in the Old Testament in Hebrew, the name of Prophet Muhammad (peace and blessings be upon him) is yet present.



To Be continued...

Peace be upon you but with great respect you have not mentioned many of the similar qualities between Jeus and Moses here are plenty you missed:

• One of the Two Men who were commissioned by Allah to make laws for the Israelite nation. The approval of Heaven on both was shown by great signs and miracles. At the time of Moses there was the Exodus from the hand of ancient Pharaoh, feeding with manna and quails and with water from the rocks. At the time of Jesus there was healing crippled, blind, deaf, speechless and epileptics. He even threw demons out of people. Many dead people were raised back to life and health (also see Matt. 27:52-52); feeding of 5000 and of 4000 men, plus women and children.
• Had His Face Glow With Light, but it faded away (Exodus 34:29-35 and 2nd Corinthians 3:12-13). The face of Jesus shined like the sun (Matthew 17:1-5) and is still shining like the sun while in heaven (Revelation 1:9-19).
• Deliverer of His Brethren who would Follow Him Out of Physical Slavery then he gave them the law. Jesus came and gave law and commandments to His followers. Then He delivered them and other followers around the world out of the spiritual slavery of sin and Satan.
• Was Born into a Situation When his Brethren were being Oppressed by Pharaoh. Jesus was born into the time when the pagan idolatrous Roman empire was oppressing His brethren.
• Was Born in a Country where a Man, Pharaoh, was Worshiped as Allah. When Jesus was born the ruling Romans worshiped Caesar as Allah.
• Grew up in a Country where the King, Pharaoh, was Afraid that the Slaves would Revolt. Jesus grew up where King Herod, "the Great," was afraid the descendants of those very same slaves would revolt.
• Was Nursed a Short Time at His Birthplace, Then was Moved for His Safety. The infant Moses was placed in a floating basket in the Nile (Exodus 2 and Acts 7:20). Jesus was nursed a short time in Bethlehem and then was taken to Egypt for safety (Matt. 2).
• Was Nursed by His Own Mother while the Official Government Policy was to Try Kill Him. King Herod tried to kill the infant Jesus (Matt. 2).
• Father was a Mystery to the General Public. The Father of Jesus and the facts of His virgin birth were a mystery to the general public (Luke 1).
• Was Adopted into the Royal Family of Pharaoh. Jesus was adopted by His step-father, Joseph, into the royal family line of King David and Solomon (Matt. 1).
• Rejected being Kingly in Life-style (Hebrews 11:23-29). Jesus did not have the life-style of royalty (Matt. 4:8-11; John 6:15 & 18:36).
• Lived in Egypt. Jesus lived in Egypt as an infant (Matt. 2:13-21).
• Came Out of Egypt to Serve Allah and be A Lawgiver and Leader. Jesus came out of Egypt to be a lawgiver and leader.
• 40 Years was Tested in Wilderness. Jesus was tested 40 days in the wilderness and had approximately 40 months of public teaching and miracle working.
• 40 Days Fasting (Exodus 34:28). Jesus fasted 40 days (Matt. 4).
• A Shepherd of sheep. Jesus is the Great Good Shepherd of His followers (John 10:11-16).
• The White Hand of Leprosy (Exodus 4:6-7). Jesus healed many different people of leprosy (Luke 17:11-19).
• Asked that the great Sin of His People be Forgiven (Exodus 32:31-32). Jesus asked that the great sin of His people be forgiven (Luke 23:34).
• Had the cloud of Allah and the voice of Allah as a witness of his authority (Numbers 11:24-25). Jesus had the cloud of Allah and the voice of Allah as a witness of His authority (Matthew 17:24-25).
• Exercised power from Allah over forces of nature such as wind and water. At the Red (Reed) Sea, he walked through on dry ground (Exodus 14). Jesus walked on water and instantly calmed a storm (Matt. 14).
• Fire was important. At Mt. Horeb/Mt. Sinai there was fire (Ex. 3:1-6; 19:18 and 24:12-18) and there was the pillar of fire (Ex. 13:21-22). Jesus baptized the people with the Holy Spirit and with fire (Matt. 3:11-17 and Acts 2:1-4) and at the Transfiguration His face shined like the fire of the sun (John 17:1-3). Also see 2 Thessalonians 1:6-7; 1 Corinthians 3:11-14; Hebrews 12:29; and 2 Peter 3:1-14.
• Was faithful as a Servant in all his house (Hebrews 3:5). Jesus was faithful as a Son over His house (Hebrews 3:6).
• Brought water from a rock by a miracle of Allah (Exodus 17). Jesus Himself was the Living Water which was brought out of the tomb-rock which could not hold Him (John 7:37-38).
• Asked that his nation be saved or else that his own name be blotted out of the Lord's book (Exodus 32:31-32). Jesus was willing to die, and did die, and was resurrected and thereby shown to be the perfect and acceptable ransom for sin.
• A mountain was prominent in his work where the law was given for a nation. A mountain was prominent in the work of Jesus. He gave the famous Sermon on the Mountain with the law for people of all nations (Matthew 5, 6, & 7).
• His followers were angry when other people showed performing signs (Numbers 11:26-29). Followers of Jesus did the same (Mark 9:38-40).
• An angel watched over his body (Jude 9). Jesus had at least two angels watching over His body (John 20).
• Had revealed to him the special sacred memorial or covenant Name of Allah (often called "Jehovah" in English) (Exodus 3:13-15). That special name was bestowed to Jesus (Philippians 2:5-11).
• Was mighty in words and deeds (Acts 7:22). Jesus was more powerful in words and deeds (Matt. 7:28-29; and 8:3-13).
• Sent 12 men to look over the land secretly (Numbers 12). Jesus sent out his 12 disciples to look over the same land and to publicly preach repentance and to cast out unclean spirits (Mark 6:6-13).
• Did not have special clothing symbolic of his rank. Jesus also did not have special clothing showing His rank.
• Did not have biological sons to carry on his spiritual functions. Neither did Jesus.
• Was very gracious to foreign women at wells and gave them water (Exodus 2:15-17). Jesus was gracious to the Samaritian woman at Jacob's well and gave her the Water of Life (John 4). He was also gracious to: Mary Magdalene out of whom He threw 7 demons (Mark 16:9); Marium and Martha the sisters of Lazarus (Luke 10:38-41 and John 11); the woman arrested during adultery and he commanded her to stop sinning (John 8); the widow at Nain and He brought her son back to life (Luke 7:11-17); and He allowed the women to be the first to know that He had been raised from the dead (Matt. 28 and Mark 16).
• True identity was not known at first to the women at the well (Exodus 2). The true identity of Jesus was not known at first to the woman at the well (John 4).
• Lived modestly, only once being given an offering (Leviticus 8:29). Jesus lived a very modest life, sometimes not even owning a place to sleep (Luke 9:58).
• Was involved in the activities of the holy Tabernacle on earth (Exodus 25-40). Jesus is involved in the perfect Tabernacle in Heaven made by Allah (Hebrews 8).
• Was humble. Jesus was gentle and humble (Matt. 11:28-30).
• Gave blessings from Allah to be given via Aaron to the people (Numbers 6:22-27). Jesus gave blessing from Allah to the people (Matt. 5:1-12) and told His followers to bless others (Luke 6:27-28).
• Got complaints from the people who had been trained to write (Exodus 5:13-23). Jesus got complaints from the scribes (writers of the law) (Matt. 9:2-8; 16:21; and 21:12-16).
• Opponent, Pharaoh, had his heart hardened (Ex. 7:3). Jesus' opponents had their hearts hardened because He healed on the Sabbath (Luke 6:7-11).
• Law caused severe punishment, even death. Even greater punishment is against those who go back against Jesus (Hebrews 10:28-31).
• Spoke to the 70 elders of Israel (Ex. 24:1 and Numbers 11). Jesus spoke to the 70 elders (called the Sanhedrin) (Luke 22:70-71).
• Had sacrifices for the Covenant sealed with blood (Ex. 24:1-8). Jesus also sealed His new Covenant with blood (Hebrews 9:18-28).
• Provided ransom by pouring out blood as a sacrifice (Ex. 12). Jesus similarly (Matt. 20:28 & Hebrews 9:11-15).
• Closed the way to the Ark of the Covenant (Testimony) with a thick curtain (Ex. 26:33). Jesus, at His death, had the thick curtain in the temple torn open from top to bottom, opening the way (Matt 27 and Mark 15).
• Was almost stoned by his brethren (Ex. 17:4). And Jesus also (John 8:58-59).
• Had a peculiar bed as an infant (Ex. 2:3). Jesus also had a peculiar bed (Luke 2:7).
• Was raised by the daughter of the king (Ex. 2). Jesus' mother was a daughter of the House of King David by his son, Nathan (Luke 3).
• Was raised in the house of a man who was not his father, but he was adopted into the family (Ex. 2). Jesus was raised in the house of Joseph who was not His biological father, but He was adopted into the family (Matt. 1:18 & 25 and Acts 7:20-21).
• Fought against the masters of evil (Ex. 5-12). Jesus battled Satan (Matt. 4:1-10).
• Left a high position in the most powerful nation on earth to suffer for his people (Exodus 2-12 and Hebrews 11:23-27). Jesus left the highest position in Heaven to suffer for His people and to make ransom available to all people (Philippians 2:5-8).
• Spoke the words of Allah (Deuteronomy 18:18 and others). Jesus spoke the words of Allah, the Father (John 12:50 & 14:10).
• Spoke by Allah's authority (Deut. 18:19). Jesus spoke by Allah's authority (John 8:42 & 17:4-6).
• Fed multitudes of people by miracles (Ex. 16). Jesus fed multitudes (Matt. 14 and 15).
• Opened an era of law (Ex. 19 & 20). Jesus opened an era of grace and truth (John 1:17).
• Established a memorial custom (Feast of Unleavened Bread and Passover) based on common food elements (Ex. 12). Jesus established the memorial of Himself by a custom utilizing two common food elements of the Feast of Unleavened Bread and Passover (Luke 22:19-20).
• Finished the work which Allah commanded him (Ex. 40:33). Jesus completed His work (John 17:4 and & 19:30).
• Does not have a known tomb where the body is located (Deut. 34). Jesus' tomb is empty because after death, he was raised up alive and ascended into Heaven (Mark 16:19 and Luke 24:50-53).
• Reappeared unto men after death (Matt. 17:3). Jesus reappeared to people, even to 500 at once, after His death and resurrection (Matt. 28; Mark 16; Luke 24; John 20 & 21; and Acts 1:1-3).
• Was rejected by his family (Numbers 12). Jesus' own half-brothers rejected Him at first (Matt. 13:55 & John 7:5). But, later at least two were believers and wrote the two New Testament books of James and Jude.

Blessings to you from God

Didn't find any other relevant thread to post this....

baby born in LAHORE... with "Muhammad" محمد written on forehead...

format_quote Originally Posted by thirdwatch512

jesus was the last prophet according to christianity, until he returns. the Bible even says so.. Jesus said "this is the end" before he was crucified.

As a Christian, I don't buy the claim that the scriptures demand Jesus is the last prophet. What do we do with John's revelations, then? "Blessed is the one who reads the words of this prophecy aloud" (Rev 1:3) or I Corinthians "pursue love and be eager for the spiritual gifts, especially that you may prophesy" (I Corinthians 14:1)? Of course, we are told to be very careful about whose testimony we accept and whose we reject, but I am not seeing where the scriptures say that nobody prophesies after Jesus. Quite the opposite, actually.

Salaam Alaikum,
Bob

This thread may also be interesting for anyone who wants proof that Muhmmad (pbuh) is mentioned, by name in original hebrew in the Bible:

Mahammad (pbuh) name in the Bible. PROOF.

But please also watch this:

Muhammed in the bible - Ahmed Deedat
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hhazm0UdlTc

format_quote Originally Posted by Grace Seeker

When God sent his players out on the floor, you are right that they were sent with a game plan, that plan being not so much simply to worship the one true God, but to live in covenant with him. Some did, some didn't. In time God would send in some subs. They had the same role. And some of them fulfilled it, and some of them didn't. Sorry, but I put Muhammad in the didn't category. In fact, though I do believe he played for the same coach, it's like he wasn't even paying attention in practice. It's little wonder that when Muhammad is today looked to as if he were a coach himself, that the game his players play looks so different from what the original coach taught. There are similarities, but not enough to make me think that Muhammad was ever a first-string player.

What do our Christian members think of this post? Do you agree with it, or do you consider the possibility that Muhammad (saaws) was the 'Comforter' that Jesus prophesied about in the Gospel According to John?

format_quote Originally Posted by james

may i add a few cents to this discussion as a former Jehovahs witness and brainwashed one at that........it is difficult to say.....as the bible has been changed so many times that the translations have been lost.....

but we can all assume what the bible is trying to say and gain our own answers but we have so many christian religions and sects that gain different meanings from the bible that its difficlut to know what was changed and what wasnt........thats just my humble opinion though if i am allowed to provide it here......Peace to you all....

Quran is authenticated, divine wordings of Prophet Muhammad(PBUH),and submission to Allah is fully justified. Prophet was the true messenger, and Jesus though is a prophet, lesser then the Prophet Muhammad.
Quran 1:1 says In the name of Allah,the Entirely Merciful,the especially merciful Quran-1:2-5 All praise is due to Allah,Lord of the world-The entirely merciful the especially merciful-Sovereign of the day of Recompense- It is You we worship and You we ask for help;Guide us to the straight path-The path of those upon whom You have bestowed favor,not of those who have earned Your anger or of those who are astray.

format_quote Originally Posted by Yahya Sulaiman

Okay, let me clear this up once and for all.

First off it doesn’t matter one tiny whit to a Muslim if the New Testament claims that Jesus (P) was this “prophet like unto Moses” mentioned in Deuteronomy 18. There isn’t a single *mention* of the New Testament anywhere in the Koran, let alone an endorsement. As I’ve explained to people a trillion times before, the Gospel the Koran *does* endorse is not any of the biblical Gospels but rather one of the many lost Gospels outside of the Bible. Surah 5, verse 110 and surah 57, verse 27 explains that this Gospel was revealed directly to Jesus himself and as such he had some sort of hand in its writing: obviously this does not apply to any of the four canonical Gospels. If it had been one of them then the parable in surah 48, verse 29 would have had a biblical parallel. It doesn’t.

Fine. But then there is no purpose in the repeated efforts of so many Muslims to "prove" to us Christians that Muhammad is mentioned in our scriptures, is there?

You mean like the Paraclete verse and in the Song of Songs and all that? There's no need for a Muslim to find such things, no, and it's water off a duck's back for us if the Christians are right about them. I'm not very concerned about them personally. The Gospel of "John", for example, was a non-synoptic, Johnny-come-lately text written by an anonymous author who very likely did not witness a single thing he wrote. It's probably even less reliable than the other three.