Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) Prophecised in other Scriptures.

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Originally Posted by Fi_Sabilillah

Agreed, therefore the one who brings the argument forward needs to bring forth evidence. :)

It's also ironic since this is coming from a christian, because if you ask any other christian - they will tell you that they have to follow the law of Jesus son of Mary in order to be 'saved.' inc. the jews.


Whereas we as Muslims and the followers of Prophet Abraham know that Jesus son of Mary came for his people, and today the scripture [Injeel/Gospel] doesn't exist no more in its original form, therefore they need to accept God's final Messenger, Muhammad (peace be upon him) who came with a confirmation which came before and a Criterion to judge between truth and falsehood. And anyone who hears of his message has to accept it in order to be saved, since he came for all of mankind, and his message will remain authentic and preserved until the Day of Ressurection.

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Of course you must follow the law of Jesus, but that does not contradict the law of Moses for Jews! jesus sayed he did not come to abrogate the law. "Do not think that I came to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I did not come to abolish but to fulfill." The Jews can follow the law of Moses if they wish, and it can do this and still fufill the law of Jesus!

The Bible especially in Revelations relates on how the Jews will still be a distinct people, and that they have a major role to play in the end times scenarios.

There are such things as "Messianic Jews" although not accepted by the Jewish community follow the Torah and believe in Jesus Christ as there savoir, as well as follow the law of Jesus.

Either way, I'm no longer going to get into this conversation because we obviously hold different beliefs and you define Christianity as one huge belief with a consensus which is far from the case. Can Jews not uphold both laws of Moses and Jesus? That is the point.

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Who is cursing the nation of Israel at the moment ? The Arabs (mostly muslims).

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Wasn't the passage aimed at who ever attacks Ibrahim, even if we say his children, then in reality we as Muslims cannot speak bad about the true followers, but people who claim to be following it are not straight away to be held as the true followers.

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In fact the punishment for attacking Israel is quite severe in the Bible, it says that anybody who attacks Israel in the last days. Them and there children to 7 generations will not be able to go to heaven.

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Poor kids.

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Of course i know that for islam it is most important to prove that all prophets were muslims and Muhammed was the last one predicted in the Bible.

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Not really, if it was possible to show that the Bible had not changed and there was reasonable reason to believe it had not undergone changes and that the original authors were of trustworthy nature and many other conditions, then would it be 'most important' for us as Muslim to prove it.

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And i am very happy seeing christians and jews here together resisting the claim that all prophets were muslims. You know, i study history and if i said to my academic professor that Abraham or Moses were a muslims, my profesor would give me F (worse) mark. And i think that also Chinese, and Hindu teach in schools that all prophets were Israelis.

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Submit to God and resist the devil, he will flee from you, doing such a thing, i.e. submitting to the will of God, the Only One who created Everything created, then in reality is Islam, and since you agree that Jesus did that then I dont see where me or you will disagree that he was someone who done Islam in it's broader sense.

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You can claim "it never happened", but why then has all the prophecies come true concerning him in the OT, and the prophecies that Jesus made in the NT come true ?

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If you really want to discuss Jesus fulfulling prophecies then we can in another thread. :)

The rest of the thread seems to be going in one way, but I will provide another option, maybe the differences for Jesus' coming are due to the inaccuraces of the scripture. Someone well grounded in the Biblical History knows what I mean.

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but why then has all the prophecies come true concerning him in the OT

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Shalom,

Jesus is not predicted at all in the Torah or Tanakh. He is a false prophet according to Judaism, and if you have any concerns as to why we believe so or wish to "prove" that Jesus is really mentioned in the Tanakh, then do so in this thread: http://www.islamicboard.com/comparat...wered-jew.html

I would be welcome to answering any misconceptions you had about the Hebrew Bible/Tanakh.

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Shalom,

Jesus is not predicted at all in the Torah or Tanakh. He is a false prophet according to Judaism, and if you have any concerns as to why we believe so or wish to "prove" that Jesus is really mentioned in the Tanakh, then do so in this thread: http://www.islamicboard.com/comparat...wered-jew.html

I would be welcome to answering any misconceptions you had about the Hebrew Bible/Tanakh.

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Quick change, don't try to prove it in that thread but create another thread, that thread is only for Q and As

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Shalom,

Jesus is not predicted at all in the Torah or Tanakh. He is a false prophet according to Judaism, and if you have any concerns as to why we believe so or wish to "prove" that Jesus is really mentioned in the Tanakh, then do so in this thread: http://www.islamicboard.com/comparat...wered-jew.html

I would be welcome to answering any misconceptions you had about the Hebrew Bible/Tanakh.

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I would be glad to discuss something which is kind of limited to a translation for me. You could shed light on alot of the deeper meanings of some of Judaism's texts, since I don't speak or read hebrew or accient hebrew.

Start a new new thread rav. :statisfie

YEh

I hope the moderator will not disapprove this post.


The answers to the Parable of Jesus on Matthew 20:1-16

For the kingdom of heaven is like unto a man [that is] an householder, which went out early in the morning to hire labourers into his vineyard. And when he had agreed with the labourers for a penny a day, he sent them into his vineyard. And he went out about the third hour, and saw others standing idle in the marketplace, And said unto them; Go ye also into the vineyard, and whatsoever is right I will give you. And they went their way. Again he went out about the sixth and ninth hour, and did likewise. And about the eleventh hour he went out, and found others standing idle, and saith unto them, Why stand ye here all the day idle? They say unto him, Because no man hath hired us. He saith unto them, Go ye also into the vineyard; and whatsoever is right, [that] shall ye receive. So when even was come, the lord of the vineyard saith unto his steward, Call the labourers, and give them [their] hire, beginning from the last unto the first. And when they came that [were hired] about the eleventh hour, they received every man a penny. But when the first came, they supposed that they should have received more; and they likewise received every man a penny. And when they had received [it], they murmured against the goodman of the house, Saying, These last have wrought [but] one hour, and thou hast made them equal unto us, which have borne the burden and heat of the day. But he answered one of them, and said, Friend, I do thee no wrong: didst not thou agree with me for a penny? Take [that] thine [is], and go thy way: I will give unto this last, even as unto thee. Is it not lawful for me to do what I will with mine own? Is thine eye evil, because I am good? So the last shall be first, and the first last: for many be called, but few chosen.
Matthew 20:1-16



The answers:

Narrated Abu Musa:
The Prophet said, "The example of Muslims, Jews and Christians is like the example of a man who employed laborers to work for him from morning till night. They worked till mid-day and they said, 'We are not in need of your reward.' SO the man employed another batch and said to them, 'Complete the rest of the day and yours will be the wages I had fixed (for the first batch). They worked Up till the time of the 'Asr prayer and said, 'Whatever we have done is for you.' He employed another batch. They worked for the rest of the day till sunset, and they received the wages of the two former batches."
SAHIH AL-BUKHARI, Volume 1, Book 10, Number 533


Narrated Abu Huraira:
I heard Allah's Apostle (p.b.u.h) saying, "We (Muslims) are the last (to come) but (will be) the foremost on the Day of Resurrection though the former nations were given the Holy Scriptures before us. And this was their day (Friday) the celebration of which was made compulsory for them but they differed about it. So Allah gave us the guidance for it (Friday) and all the other people are behind us in this respect: the Jews' (holy day is) tomorrow (i.e. Saturday) and the Christians' (is) the day after tomorrow (i.e. Sunday)."
SAHIH AL-BUKHARI, Volume 2, Book 13, Number 1


Narrated Abu Huraira:
Allah's Apostle said "We are the last (to come amongst the nations) but (will be) the foremost on the Day of Resurrection. They were given the Holy Scripture before us and we were given the Quran after them. And this was the day (Friday) about which they differed and Allah gave us the guidance (for that). So tomorrow (i.e. Saturday) is the Jews' (day), and the day after tomorrow (i.e. Sunday) is the Christians'." The Prophet (p.b.u.h) remained silent (for a while) and then said, "It is obligatory for every Muslim that he should take a bath once in seven days, when he should wash his head and body." Narrated Abu Huraira through different narrators that the Prophet said, "It is Allah's right on every Muslim that he should take a bath (at least) once in seven days."
SAHIH AL-BUKHARI, Volume 2, Book 13, Number 21


Narrated Ibn 'Umar:
The Prophet said, "Your example and the example of the people of the two Scriptures (i.e. Jews and Christians) is like the example of a man who employed some laborers and asked them, 'Who will work for me from morning till midday for one Qirat?' The Jews accepted and carried out the work. He then asked, Who will work for me from midday up to the 'Asr prayer for one Qirat?' The Christians accepted and fulfilled the work. He then said, 'Who will work for me from the 'Asr till sunset for two Qirats?' You, Muslims have accepted the offer. The Jews and the Christians got angry and said, 'Why should we work more and get lesser wages?' (Allah) said, 'Have I with-held part of your right?' They replied in the negative. He said, 'It is My Blessing, I bestow upon whomever I wish .'
SAHIH AL-BUKHARI, Volume 3, Book 36, Number 468


Narrated Abu Musa:
The Prophet said, "The example of Muslims, Jews and Christians is like the example of a man who employed laborers to work for him from morning till night for specific wages. They worked till midday and then said, 'We do not need your money which you have fixed for us and let whatever we have done be annulled.' The man said to them, 'Don't quit the work, but complete the rest of it and take your full wages.' But they refused and went away. The man employed another batch after them and said to them, 'Complete the rest of the day and yours will be the wages I had fixed for the first batch.' So, they worked till the time of 'Asr prayer. Then they said, "Let what we have done be annulled and keep the wages you have promised us for yourself.' The man said to them, 'Complete the rest of the work, as only a little of the day remains,' but they refused. Thereafter he employed another batch to work for the rest of the day and they worked for the rest of the day till the sunset, and they received the wages of the two former batches. So, that was the example of those people (Muslims) and the example of this light (guidance) which they have accepted willingly.
SAHIH AL-BUKHARI, Volume 3, Book 36, Number 471

The Prophesy of Mohammad (PBUH) in the Torah (Old Testament)

The Qur’an mentions in Surah Al-Araf chapter 7 verse 157:

"Those who follow the Messenger, the unlettered Prophet, whom they find mentioned in their own (scriptures) in the law and the Gospels"

Almighty God speaks to Moses in Book of Deuteronomy chapter 18 verse 18

"I will raise them up a Prophet from among their brethren, like unto you, and I will put my words in his mouth; and he shall speak unto them all that I shall command him."

If these two are the only criteria for this prophecy to be fulfilled, then all the Prophets of the Bible who came after Moses (pbuh) such as Solomon, Isaiah, Ezekiel, Daniel, Hosea, Joel, Malachi, John the Baptist, etc. (pbut) will fulfill this prophecy since all were Jews as well as prophets.

However, it is Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) who is like Moses (pbuh):

‘Among their brethren’ clearly refers to a nation other than the Israelites. Otherwise it should have been ‘Amongst yourselves’. The reference in (Deuteronomy 18:18) could fit nobody else except Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him), and not Prophet Jesus, for the following reasons:

•Moses and Muhammad were born in the normal, natural course, i.e. the physical association of man and woman, but Jesus was created by a special miracle.
• Moses and Muhammad married and begot children, but Jesus remained a bachelor all his life.

• Moses and Muhammad brought new laws and new regulations for their people, but Jesus came only to fulfill the old law of Moses (Mathew 5:17-18).

• Both Moses and Muhammad died natural deaths and were buried, but Jesus was raised to heaven.

• Unlike Moses and Muhammad, who were accepted as prophets by their people in their very lifetime, Jesus was deserted even by his closest disciples” He came unto his own, but his own received him not." John 1:11

• Both Moses and Muhammad ruled and legislated besides their being prophets. This was not the case with Jesus.

The only likeness between Moses and Jesus was that both belonged to the Children of Israel, like all other Israelite prophets such as Solomon, David, Isaiah, Daniel, Joshua, Zechariah, John, and many others.
Further, the well-known Deuteronomy 18:18, widely accepted as an unequivocal reference to Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him), is further clarified by the following verse (18:19):

“If anyone does not listen to my words that the prophet speaks in my name, I myself will call him to account. “ Deuteronomy 18:19

Muhammad (pbuh) is from among the brethren of Moses (pbuh). Arabs are brethren of Jews. Abraham (pbuh) had two sons: Ishmail and Isaac (pbut). The Arabs are the descendants of Ishmail (pbuh) and the Jews are the descendants of Isaac (pbuh).

Words in the mouth:

Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) was unlettered and whatever revelations he received from Almighty God he repeated them verbatim.

"Neither the content of the revelation, nor its form, were of Mohammed's devising. Both were given by the angel, and Mohammed's task was only to repeat what he heard."

(World Religions from Ancient History to the Present, by Geoffrey Parrinder, p. 472)

God sent the angel Gabriel to teach Muhammad the exact words that he should repeat to the people. The words are therefore not his own; they did not come from his own thoughts, but were put into his mouth by the angel. These are written down in the Qur’an word for word exactly as they came from God.

Now that we know that prophet we must listen to him, for, according to the Bible, God says:

"I will punish anyone who refuses to obey him" (Good News Bible, Deut. 18:19).


http://www.islam-for-everyone.com/En...ptions/m18.htm

“If anyone does not listen to my words that the prophet speaks in my name, I myself will call him to account. “ Deuteronomy 18:19

“ But a prophet who presumes to speak in my name anything I have not commanded him to say, or a prophet who speaks in the name of other gods, must be put to death." Deuteronomy 18:20

Prophet Mohammad (PBUH) preached that there is only ONE GOD. But the Bible says if the prophet speaks in the name of other gods, must be put to death.Prophet Mohammad (PUH) preached the oneness of God for 23 years but was not killed by anyone. He did complete his job. Allah (swt) says in the holy Quran:

“O Messenger (Muhammad SAW)! Proclaim (the Message) which has been sent down to you from your Lord. And if you do not, then you have not conveyed His Message. Allah will protect you from people. Verily, Allah guides not the people who disbelieve.” (5:67)

Prophet Mohammad (PBUH) was indeed protected by God Almighty because all the pagans try to kill him many times but they failed.

"And Allah will protect you (Mohammad) from people." (5:67)

Prophet Mohammad (PBUH) condemned statues idol worshiping means fake gods.

You may say to yourselves,

"How can we know when a message has not been spoken by the LORD?”Deuteronomy 18:21:22

If what a prophet proclaims in the name of the LORD does not take place or come true, that is a message the LORD has not spoken. That prophet has spoken presumptuously. Do not be afraid of him.

What ever Prophet Mohammad (PBUH) predicted has come true.

See the prophesies of prophet Mohammad (PBUH).
http://www.islaam.com/Article.aspx?id=450

Muhammad (pbuh) is prophesized in the book of Isaiah:

"And the book is delivered to him that is not learned, saying, Read this, I pray you: and he saith, I am not learned." Isaiah 29:12:

Mohammad (PBUH) received his first revelation in the cave called HIRA which is located in Saudi Arabia, one day he was in the cave praising Almighty When Archangel Gabriel came to the cave and commanded Muhammad (pbuh) by saying IQRA- "Read", he replied “I am not learned”

Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) mentioned by name in the Old Testament:

Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) is mentioned by name in the Song of Solomon chapter 5 verse 16:

"Hikko Mamittakim we kullo Muhammadim Zehdoodeh wa Zehraee Bayna Jerusalem."

Translation:"His mouth is most sweet: yea, he is Mohammad. This is my beloved, and this is my friend, O daughters of Jerusalem."

In the Hebrew language im is added for respect. Similarly im is added after the name of Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) to make it Muhammadim. In English translation they have even translated the name of Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) as "altogether lovely", but in the Old Testament in Hebrew, the name of Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) is yet present.

The Coming Prophet Will be from Arabia

He (Muhummed pbuh) shined forth from mount Paran (in Arabia), and he came with ten thousand saints. (Referring to the conquest of Makkah). (d) . DEUTERONOMY 33:2


and I (God Almighty) will move them (the Jews) to jealousy with those (the Arabs) which are NOT A PEOPLE (a non-entity): I will provoke them (the Jews) to anger with a FOOLISH NATION," |the pre-Islamic Arabs) DEUTERONOMY 32:21:

Muhammad (pbuh) spoke not just a single word, but dictated a whole book in God's name. For twenty three years he spoke exclusively in the name of God Almighty. He was given one hundred and fourteen chapters, all of which were, and are to this day, recited day after day in God's name. Chapters in the Qur'an begin with the words "In the name of God, the Gracious, the Merciful." Yet he did not die, but lived to fulfill his message completely. He himself even narrated in the name of God a similar verse in the Qur'an:


"And if he (Muhammad) had invented false sayings in Our (God's) name, We would have taken him by the right, then We would have severed from him his aorta, and there is none among you who could have held Us off from him" The noble Qur'an, al-Haaqah(69):46

(Remember that the plural form of this verse is the Arabic plural of respect, not the Christian plural of "Trinity," as seen in chapter 14). If the claims of some are true: That Muhammad (pbuh) was an impostor, then did God go to sleep for twenty three years? Of course not! He knew full well what Muhammad (pbuh) was claiming. If he was not telling the truth, why did God not kill him? Why did he allow him to perpetrate a lie that would span fourteen centuries, and eventually come to cover the globe?

Prophet Mohammad (PBUH) is prophesized in Christianity
Prophet Mohammad (PBUH) is prophesized in Buddahism
Prophet Mohammad (PBUH) is prophesized in Hinduism
Prophet Mohammad (PBUH) is prophesized in Judaism
Prophet Mohammad (PBUH) is prophesized in Parsism


http://www.drzakirnaik.com/Features/...2/Default.aspx

Jesus (P) speaks of Mohammed (P) in the Bible

We present here some traditions attributed to prophet Jesus (pbuh), in which he speaks of Prophets, Muhammad (pbuh). The traditions are naturally in the form of prophecies, since Prophet Jesus lived before the time of Prophet Muhammad. But they have value not merely as prophecies: they also provide one of the most beautiful tributes to the glory of the Prophet of Islam ever written. The traditions are from a version of the Gospel of Barnabas compiled by a thirteenth century Italian on the basis of early Christian sources (see footnotes).

Jesus said, "Philip! God is a Good without which there is nothing good: God is a Being without which there is nothing that has existence; God is a Life without which there is nothing that lives. He has no equal. He had no beginning, nor will He have an end, but to everything has He given a beginning and to everything shall He give an end. He has no father nor mother; He has no sons, nor brethren nor companions."

Philip answered:

"Master, what sayest thou? It is surely written in Isaiah that God is our father: how, then, hath He no sons?"

Jesus answered:

"There are written by the prophets many parables, wherefore one ought not attend to the letter, but to the sense. For all the prophets, that are one hundred and forty-four thousand, have spoken ambiguously. But after me shall come the Splendor of all the prophets who shall shed light upon the ambiguities of all that the prophets have said, because he is the Messenger of God.

"Verily, I say unto you that every prophet when he is come has borne the mark of the mercy of God to one nation only. And so their words were not extended save to the people to which they were sent. But the Messenger of God, when he shall come, will be given as it were the seal of the hand of God, insomuch as he shall carry salvation and mercy to all the nations of the world that shall receive his doctrine. He shall come with power upon the ungodly, and shall destroy idolatry for, so promised God to Abraham, saying: 'Behold, in thy seed I will bless all the tribes of the earth; and as thou hast broken in pieces the idols, O Abraham, even so shall thy seed do.'

"I therefore say unto you, that the Messenger of God is a splendor that shall give gladness to nearly all that God has made, for he is adorned with the spirit of understanding and counsel, the spirit of wisdom and might, of fear and love, prudence and temperance; he is adorned with the spirit of charity and mercy, of justice and piety and gentleness and patience, which he has received from God three times more than He has given to all His creatures combined. Blessed will be the time when he shall come to the world! Believe me that I have seen him and have done him reverence, even as every prophet has seen him. And when I saw him my soul was filled with consolation, saying, 'O Admirable One! God be with thee, and may he make me worthy to untie thy shoe-latchet for obtaining this I shall be a great prophet and holy one of God.'

"As for me, I am now come to the world to prepare the way for the Messenger of God, who shall bring salvation to the world. By the living God, in whose presence my soul stands, I am not the Savior whom all the tribes of the earth expect."

Then said the Priest:

"How shall the Savior be called, and what sign shall reveal his coming?"

Jesus answered:

"The name of the Savior shall be the Admirable One, for, God himself gave him the name when he had created his soul, and placed it in celestial splendor. God said, 'Wait O Admirable One (=Muhammad), for thy sake I will create paradise, the world, and a great multitude of creatures, whereas I make thee a present, insomuch that whosoever shall curse the shall be cursed. When I send thee into the world, I shall send thee as My Messenger of Salvation, and thy world shall be true insomuch that heaven and earth shall fail but thy faith shall never fail. Admirable One is his blessed name."

Then the crowd lifted up their voices, saying:

"O God send Thy Messenger. O Admirable One come quickly for the salvation of the world."

Footnotes

1) John 14: 15-16, John 15: 26-27, John 16:5-8. All three sections have references of the "Comforter". The original word used in Greek language is 'Parqaleeta', however you may find it referenced in some Bibles as the 'Comforter', other Bibles use 'Spirit of Truth", and other Bibles use 'Holy Spirit'. The actual meaning of the original Latin word 'Parqaleeta' is 'one whom people praise exceedingly.' The sense of the word is applicable to the word 'Muhammed' in Arabic.

2) If you visit the birth place of Jesus (pbuh), and look at an Arabic Christian Bible, you will find Allah is the reference for God.

3) If you look at a Red-Line Bible (all the text attributed to statements made by Jesus (pbuh) highlighted in Red), and only read the red line text, you will never find a single reference where Jesus (pbuh) ever said that he is God, or explicitly spoke once of the trinity.

If you believe Allah is One, and do not associate any partners with him, then you are nearly a Muslim. If you believe in the possibility that Mohammed (pbuh) can be one of the 125,000 prophets sent to mankind, delivering the simple message of worshiping the One God, without any associates. Not 1 in 3, or 3 in 1. Just One God,

Source:
http://www.muslimbridges.org/content/view/238/81/

I have some questions I have wanted to ask about The Prophet (PBUH) being in the Torah and Gospel, is it ok if I ask here?

I have been wanting to ask for a long time.

I cant' read all these pages here so I hope it's ok to ask here.:D

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The first one I want to ask is this verse

"I will raise them up a Prophet from among their brethren, like unto thee, and I will put my words in his mouth; and he shall speak unto them all that I shall command him."

This does seem like it is talking about the Prophet Muhammad (SAW).

It says that he will come from "among their brethren". Is the brethren really the arabs for sure?

Can someone make this clear for me? I am kind of confused.

I hope someone can help me :arabic4:

:sl:

The first one I want to ask is this verse

"I will raise them up a Prophet from among their brethren, like unto thee, and I will put my words in his mouth; and he shall speak unto them all that I shall command him."

This does seem like it is talking about the Prophet Muhammad (SAW).

It says that he will come from "among their brethren". Is the brethren really the arabs for sure?

Can someone make this clear for me? I am kind of confused.

I hope someone can help me :arabic4:

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:sl:

The first one I want to ask is this verse

"I will raise them up a Prophet from among their brethren, like unto thee, and I will put my words in his mouth; and he shall speak unto them all that I shall command him."

This does seem like it is talking about the Prophet Muhammad (SAW).

It says that he will come from "among their brethren". Is the brethren really the arabs for sure?

Can someone make this clear for me? I am kind of confused.

I hope someone can help me :arabic4:

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This questions refers to Deuternomy 18:15-18

This prophecy could not be a reference to Mohammed for several reasons. First, the term "brethren" refers to Israel, not to their Arabian antagonists. Why would God raise up for Israel a prophet from their enemies?

Second, in this very context, the term "brethren" means fellow Israelites. For the Levites were told "they shall have no inheritance among their brethren" (v. 2). Third, elsewhere in this book the term "brethren" also means fellow Israelites, not a foreigner. God told them to choose a king "from among yor brethren," not a "foreigner." Israel has never chosen a non-Jewis king.

Fourth, Mohammed came from Ishmael, as even Muslims admit, and heirs to the Jewish throne came from Isaac. When Abraham prayed, "Oh that Ishmael might live before you!" God answered emphatically: "My covenant I will establish with Isaac..." (Genesis 17:21). Later God repeated: "In Isaac your seed shall be called" (Genesis 21:12). The Muslim scholar Yusuf Ali adds the word "Abraham" and changs the meaning as follows, We gave (Abraham) Isaac and Jacob, and ordained Among his progeny Prophethood and Revelation." By adding Abraham, the father of Ishmael, he can include Mohammed, a descendent of Ishmael, in the prophetic line! But Abraham's name is not found in the original Arabic text.

Fifth, the Koran itself states that the prophetic line came through Isaac, not Ishamel: "And We bestowed on him Isaac and Jacob, and We established the Prophethood and the Scripture among his seed" (Surah 29:27).

Sixth, Jesus perfectly fulfilled this verse, since 1) He was from among his Jewish brethern (Galatians. 4:4). 2) He fulfilled Deuternomy 18:18 perfectly: "He shall speak to them all the I [God] command Him." Jesus said, "i do nothing of Myself; but as my father taught Me, I speak these things" (John 8:28). And, "I have not spoken of My own authority; but the Father who sent Me gave Me a command, what I should say and what I should speak" (John 12:49). 3) He called Himself a "prophet" (Luke 13:33), and the people considered him a prophet (Matthew 21:11; Luke 7:16; 24;19; John 4:19; 6:14; 7:40; 9:17). As the Son of God, Jesus was prophet (speaking to men for God), priest (Hebrew 7-10, speaking to God for men), and king (reigning over men for God, Revelation 19-20).

Finally, there other characteristics of the "Prophet" to come that fit Jesus, not Mohammed, such as, He spoke with God "face to face" and He performed "signs and wonders" (Deuternomy 34:11) Mohammad by his own confession did not perform signs and wonders like Moses and Jesus did (Surah 17:90-93). Mohammed never even claimed to speak to God directly, but got his revelations through angels (Surah 2:97). Jesus, on the other hand, like Moses, was a direct mediator (1 Timothy 2:5; Hebrew 9:15) who communicated direcly with God (John 1:18; 12:49).

I HAD TYPO PROBLEM ON THE LAST POST. READ THIS ONE INSTEAD. IT WILL MAKE MORE SENSE. THANKS.

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The first one I want to ask is this verse

"I will raise them up a Prophet from among their brethren, like unto thee, and I will put my words in his mouth; and he shall speak unto them all that I shall command him."

This does seem like it is talking about the Prophet Muhammad (SAW).

It says that he will come from "among their brethren". Is the brethren really the arabs for sure?

Can someone make this clear for me? I am kind of confused.

I hope someone can help me :arabic4:

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This questions refers to Deuternomy 18:15-18

This prophecy could not be a reference to Mohammed for several reasons. First, the term "brethren" refers to Israel, not to their Arabian antagonists. Why would God raise up for Israel a prophet from their enemies?

Second, in this very context, the term "brethren" means fellow Israelites. For the Levites were told "they shall have no inheritance among their brethren" (v. 2). Third, elsewhere in this book the term "brethren" also means fellow Israelites, not a foreigner. God told them to choose a king "from among yor brethren," not a "foreigner." Israel has never chosen a non-Jewis king.

Fourth, Mohammed came from Ishmael, as even Muslims admit, and heirs to the Jewish throne came from Isaac. When Abraham prayed, "Oh that Ishmael might live before you!" God answered emphatically: "My covenant I will establish with Isaac..." (Genesis 17:21). Later God repeated: "In Isaac your seed shall be called" (Genesis 21:12).

Fifth, the Koran itself states that the prophetic line came through Isaac, not Ishamel: "And We bestowed on him Isaac and Jacob, and We established the Prophethood and the Scripture among his seed" (Surah 29:27). The Muslim scholar Yusuf Ali adds the word "Abraham" and changs the meaning as follows, We gave (Abraham) Isaac and Jacob, and ordained Among his progeny Prophethood and Revelation." By adding Abraham, the father of Ishmael, he can include Mohammed, a descendent of Ishmael, in the prophetic line! But Abraham's name is not found in the original Arabic text.

Sixth, Jesus perfectly fulfilled this verse, since 1) He was from among his Jewish brethern (Galatians. 4:4). 2) He fulfilled Deuternomy 18:18 perfectly: "He shall speak to them all the I [God] command Him." Jesus said, "i do nothing of Myself; but as my father taught Me, I speak these things" (John 8:28). And, "I have not spoken of My own authority; but the Father who sent Me gave Me a command, what I should say and what I should speak" (John 12:49). 3) He called Himself a "prophet" (Luke 13:33), and the people considered him a prophet (Matthew 21:11; Luke 7:16; 24;19; John 4:19; 6:14; 7:40; 9:17). As the Son of God, Jesus was prophet (speaking to men for God), priest (Hebrew 7-10, speaking to God for men), and king (reigning over men for God, Revelation 19-20).

Finally, there other characteristics of the "Prophet" to come that fit Jesus, not Mohammed, such as, He spoke with God "face to face" and He performed "signs and wonders" (Deuternomy 34:11) Mohammad by his own confession did not perform signs and wonders like Moses and Jesus did (Surah 17:90-93). Mohammed never even claimed to speak to God directly, but got his revelations through angels (Surah 2:97). Jesus, on the other hand, like Moses, was a direct mediator (1 Timothy 2:5; Hebrew 9:15) who communicated direcly with God (John 1:18; 12:49).

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Originally Posted by pbhowmik

This questions refers to Deuternomy 18:15-18

This prophecy could not be a reference to Mohammed for several reasons. First, the term "brethren" refers to Israel, not to their Arabian antagonists. Why would God raise up for Israel a prophet from their enemies?

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1) 'Arabs and Jews were not enemies. 2) No, the term brethren does not have to refer to the children of Israel only.


Could brethren refer to Ishmaelites?

Brown's Hebrew lexicon states that the hebrew word can refer to an indefinite relative or kin in a wider way, like cousins.


In Deuteronomy 2:4, 8, 'brethren' was used in conjunction with the Edomites, who were basically their cousins.

For more info:
http://www.answering-christianity.co...s_rebuttal.htm

http://www.islamicboard.com/8377-post7.html

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Second, in this very context, the term "brethren" means fellow Israelites. For the Levites were told "they shall have no inheritance among their brethren" (v. 2).

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That's got no basis to the issue, since the situation referred to in verse 2 is about a totally different issue.

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Third, elsewhere in this book the term "brethren" also means fellow Israelites, not a foreigner. God told them to choose a king "from among yor brethren," not a "foreigner." Israel has never chosen a non-Jewis king.

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Again, there have been many other places in the OT where brethren hasn't referred to Jews only.

In Deuteronomy 2:4, 8, 'brethren' was used in conjunction with the Edomites, who were basically their cousins.

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Fourth, Mohammed came from Ishmael, as even Muslims admit, and heirs to the Jewish throne came from Isaac. When Abraham prayed, "Oh that Ishmael might live before you!" God answered emphatically: "My covenant I will establish with Isaac..." (Genesis 17:21). Later God repeated: "In Isaac your seed shall be called" (Genesis 21:12).

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Infact, according to the Bible itself it becomes clear that the covenant should be done

Was the first born son of Abraham (Ishmael) and his descendants included in God's covenant and promise? A few verses from the Bible may help shed some light on this question;


1) Genesis 12:2-3 speaks of God's promise to Abraham and his descendants before any child was born to him.


2) Genesis 17:4 reiterates God's promise after the birth of Ishmael and before the birth of Isaac.


3) In Genesis, ch. 21. Isaac is specifically blessed but Ishmael was also specifically blessed and promised by God to become "a great nation" especially in Genesis 21:13, 18.


4) According to Deuteronomy 21:15-17 the traditional rights and privileges of the first born son are not to be affected by the social status of his mother (being a "free" woman such as Sarah, Isaac's mother, or a "Bondwoman" such as Hagar, Ishmael's mother). This is only consistent with the moral and humanitarian principles of all revealed faiths.


5) The full legitimacy of Ishmael as Abraham's son and "seed" and the full legitimacy of his mother, Hagar, as Abraham's wife are clearly stated in Genesis 21:13 and 16:3. After Jesus, the last Israelite messenger and prophet, it was time that God's promise to bless Ishmael and his descendants be fulfilled. Less than 600years after Jesus, came the last messenger of God, Muhammad, from the progeny of Abraham through Ishmael. God's blessing of both of the main branches of Abraham's family tree was now fullfilled. But are there additional corroborating evidence that the Bible did in fact foretell the advent of prophet Muhammad?


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MUHAMMAD:
The Prophet Like Unto Moses


Long time after Abraham, God's promise to send the long-awaited Messenger was repeated this time in Moses' words.
In Deuteronomy 18:18, Moses spoke of the prophet to be sent by God who is:


1) From among the Israelite's "brethren", a reference to their Ishmaelite cousins as Ishmael was the other son of Abraham who was explicitly promised to become a "great nation".


2) A prophet like unto Moses. There were hardly any two prophets ,who were so much alike as Moses and Muhammad. Both were given comprehensive law code of life, both encountered their enemies and were victors in miraculous ways, both were accepted as prophets/statesmen and both migrated following conspiracies to assassinate them. Analogies between Moses and Jesus overlooks not only the above similarities but other crucial ones as well (e.g. the natural birth, family life and death of Moses and Muhammad but not of Jesus, who was regarded by His followers as the Son of God and not exclusively a messenger of God, as Moses and Muhammad were and as Muslim belief Jesus was).


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THE AWAITED PROPHET WAS TO COME FROM ARABIA


Deuteronomy 33:1-2 combines references to Moses, Jesus and Muhammad. It speaks of God (i.e. God's revelation) coming from Sinai, rising from Seir (probably the village of Sa'ir near Jerusalem) and shining forth from Paran. According to Genesis 21:21, the wilderness of Paran was the place where Ishmael settled (i.e. Arabia, specifically Mecca).


Indeed the King James version of the Bible mentions the pilgrims passing through the valley of Ba'ca (another name of Mecca) in Psalms 84:4-6.


Isaiah 42:1-13 speaks of the beloved of God. His elect and messenger who will bring down a law to be awaited in the isles and who "shall not fail nor be discouraged till he have set judgement on earth." Verse 11, connects that awaited one with the descendants of Ke'dar. Who is Ke'dar? According to Genesis 25:13, Ke'dar was the second son of Ishmael, the ancestor of prophet Muhammad.


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MUHAMMAD'S MIGRATION FROM MECCA TO MEDINA:
PROPHECIED IN THE BIBLE?


Habakkuk 3:3 speaks of God (God's help) coming from Te'man (an Oasis North of Medina according to J. Hasting's Dictionary of the Bible), and the holy one (coming) from Paran. That holy one who under persecution migrated from Paran (Mecca) to be received enthusiastically in Medina was none but prophet Muhammad.

Indeed the incident of the migration of the prophet and his persecuted followers is vividly described in Isaiah 21:13-17. That section foretold as well about the battle of Badr in which the few ill-armed faithful miraculously defeated the "mighty" men of Ke'dar, who sought to destroy Islam and intimidate their own folks who turned -to Islam.

http://www.islamicboard.com/8348-post2.html

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Fifth, the Koran itself states that the prophetic line came through Isaac, not Ishamel: "And We bestowed on him Isaac and Jacob, and We established the Prophethood and the Scripture among his seed" (Surah 29:27). The Muslim scholar Yusuf Ali adds the word "Abraham" and changs the meaning as follows, We gave (Abraham) Isaac and Jacob, and ordained Among his progeny Prophethood and Revelation." By adding Abraham, the father of Ishmael, he can include Mohammed, a descendent of Ishmael, in the prophetic line! But Abraham's name is not found in the original Arabic text.

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Are you only going to use one verse to prove your claim? How about the more clearer verses which don't involve brackets even and explicitly state that Ishmael was truly a Prophet and a Messenger? That Muhammad is truly a Prophet and Messenger?

Also mention in the Book (the story of) Isma'il [Ishmael]: He was (strictly) true to what he promised, and he was a messenger (and) a prophet.

He used to enjoin on his people Prayer and Charity, and he was most acceptable in the sight of his Lord.

[Qur'an Mary 19: 54-55]


Muhammad is the messenger of Allah... [Qur'an 48: 29]

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Sixth, Jesus perfectly fulfilled this verse, since 1) He was from among his Jewish brethern (Galatians. 4:4). 2) He fulfilled Deuternomy 18:18 perfectly: "He shall speak to them all the I [God] command Him." Jesus said, "i do nothing of Myself; but as my father taught Me, I speak these things" (John 8:28). And, "I have not spoken of My own authority; but the Father who sent Me gave Me a command, what I should say and what I should speak" (John 12:49). 3) He called Himself a "prophet" (Luke 13:33), and the people considered him a prophet (Matthew 21:11; Luke 7:16; 24;19; John 4:19; 6:14; 7:40; 9:17). As the Son of God, Jesus was prophet (speaking to men for God), priest (Hebrew 7-10, speaking to God for men), and king (reigning over men for God, Revelation 19-20).

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If that's your only criterion, then know that this can be any Prophet from the Children of Israel. David, Solomon, John the Baptist, and hundreds if not thousands of others. Since these were all jewish by blood, they were Prophets and they conveyed God's Message.


Why is Muhammad (peace be upon him) more befitting? Again, because of the huge similarities between him and Moses.

i) Both had a father and a mother, while Jesus (pbuh) was born miraculously without any male intervention.

[Mathew 1:18 and Luke 1:35 and also Al-Qur'an 3:42-47]


ii) Both were married and had children. Jesus (pbuh) according to the Bible did not marry nor had children.

iii) Both died natural deaths. Jesus (pbuh) has been raised up alive.
(4:157-158)

iv) Both besides being Prophets were also kings i.e. they could inflict capital punishment. Jesus (pbuh) said, "My kingdom is not of this world." (John 18:36).

v) Both were accepted as Prophets by their people in their lifetime but Jesus (pbuh) was rejected by his
people. John chapter 1 verse 11 states, "He came unto his own, but his own received him not."

iv) Both brought new laws and new regulations for their people. Jesus (pbuh) according to the Bible did not bring any new laws. (Mathew 5:17-18).

To name a few. Whereas the only similarity between Jesus and Moses really is that they are male prophets and from the Children of Israel.

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Finally, there other characteristics of the "Prophet" to come that fit Jesus, not Mohammed, such as, He spoke with God "face to face" and He performed "signs and wonders" (Deuternomy 34:11)

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Mohammed never even claimed to speak to God directly, but got his revelations through angels (Surah 2:97). Jesus, on the other hand, like Moses, was a direct mediator (1 Timothy 2:5; Hebrew 9:15) who communicated direcly with God (John 1:18; 12:49).

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Try looking into the Israa' wal Mi'raaj (Night of Descent Journey) :) This occured when Muhammad (peace be upon him) directly met God and spoke to Him directly. It's authentic and in the two collections of Bukhari and Muslim.

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Mohammad by his own confession did not perform signs and wonders like Moses and Jesus did (Surah 17:90-93).

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Click on this link to read about some of the miracles which he performed :)

http://islamtoday.com/show_sub_secti...=4&sub_cat_id=

MIRACLES OF THE PROPHET (peace be upon him)

PROPHET MUHAMMED (peace be upon him)

TELLING OF THE UNSEEN

INCREASING (BY BLESSING) THE FOOD

CURING OF THE SICK






Peace.

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Originally Posted by - Qatada -

1) 'Arabs and Jews were not enemies. 2) No, the term brethren does not have to refer to the children of Israel only.


Could brethren refer to Ishmaelites?

Brown's Hebrew lexicon states that the hebrew word can refer to an indefinite relative or kin in a wider way, like cousins.


In Deuteronomy 2:4, 8, 'brethren' was used in conjunction with the Edomites, who were basically their cousins.

For more info:
http://www.answering-christianity.co...s_rebuttal.htm

http://www.islamicboard.com/8377-post7.html







That's got no basis to the issue, since the situation referred to in verse 2 is about a totally different issue.






Again, there have been many other places in the OT where brethren hasn't referred to Jews only.

In Deuteronomy 2:4, 8, 'brethren' was used in conjunction with the Edomites, who were basically their cousins.







Infact, according to the Bible itself it becomes clear that the covenant should be done

Was the first born son of Abraham (Ishmael) and his descendants included in God's covenant and promise? A few verses from the Bible may help shed some light on this question;


1) Genesis 12:2-3 speaks of God's promise to Abraham and his descendants before any child was born to him.


2) Genesis 17:4 reiterates God's promise after the birth of Ishmael and before the birth of Isaac.


3) In Genesis, ch. 21. Isaac is specifically blessed but Ishmael was also specifically blessed and promised by God to become "a great nation" especially in Genesis 21:13, 18.


4) According to Deuteronomy 21:15-17 the traditional rights and privileges of the first born son are not to be affected by the social status of his mother (being a "free" woman such as Sarah, Isaac's mother, or a "Bondwoman" such as Hagar, Ishmael's mother). This is only consistent with the moral and humanitarian principles of all revealed faiths.


5) The full legitimacy of Ishmael as Abraham's son and "seed" and the full legitimacy of his mother, Hagar, as Abraham's wife are clearly stated in Genesis 21:13 and 16:3. After Jesus, the last Israelite messenger and prophet, it was time that God's promise to bless Ishmael and his descendants be fulfilled. Less than 600years after Jesus, came the last messenger of God, Muhammad, from the progeny of Abraham through Ishmael. God's blessing of both of the main branches of Abraham's family tree was now fullfilled. But are there additional corroborating evidence that the Bible did in fact foretell the advent of prophet Muhammad?


*


MUHAMMAD:
The Prophet Like Unto Moses


Long time after Abraham, God's promise to send the long-awaited Messenger was repeated this time in Moses' words.
In Deuteronomy 18:18, Moses spoke of the prophet to be sent by God who is:


1) From among the Israelite's "brethren", a reference to their Ishmaelite cousins as Ishmael was the other son of Abraham who was explicitly promised to become a "great nation".


2) A prophet like unto Moses. There were hardly any two prophets ,who were so much alike as Moses and Muhammad. Both were given comprehensive law code of life, both encountered their enemies and were victors in miraculous ways, both were accepted as prophets/statesmen and both migrated following conspiracies to assassinate them. Analogies between Moses and Jesus overlooks not only the above similarities but other crucial ones as well (e.g. the natural birth, family life and death of Moses and Muhammad but not of Jesus, who was regarded by His followers as the Son of God and not exclusively a messenger of God, as Moses and Muhammad were and as Muslim belief Jesus was).


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THE AWAITED PROPHET WAS TO COME FROM ARABIA


Deuteronomy 33:1-2 combines references to Moses, Jesus and Muhammad. It speaks of God (i.e. God's revelation) coming from Sinai, rising from Seir (probably the village of Sa'ir near Jerusalem) and shining forth from Paran. According to Genesis 21:21, the wilderness of Paran was the place where Ishmael settled (i.e. Arabia, specifically Mecca).


Indeed the King James version of the Bible mentions the pilgrims passing through the valley of Ba'ca (another name of Mecca) in Psalms 84:4-6.


Isaiah 42:1-13 speaks of the beloved of God. His elect and messenger who will bring down a law to be awaited in the isles and who "shall not fail nor be discouraged till he have set judgement on earth." Verse 11, connects that awaited one with the descendants of Ke'dar. Who is Ke'dar? According to Genesis 25:13, Ke'dar was the second son of Ishmael, the ancestor of prophet Muhammad.


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MUHAMMAD'S MIGRATION FROM MECCA TO MEDINA:
PROPHECIED IN THE BIBLE?


Habakkuk 3:3 speaks of God (God's help) coming from Te'man (an Oasis North of Medina according to J. Hasting's Dictionary of the Bible), and the holy one (coming) from Paran. That holy one who under persecution migrated from Paran (Mecca) to be received enthusiastically in Medina was none but prophet Muhammad.

Indeed the incident of the migration of the prophet and his persecuted followers is vividly described in Isaiah 21:13-17. That section foretold as well about the battle of Badr in which the few ill-armed faithful miraculously defeated the "mighty" men of Ke'dar, who sought to destroy Islam and intimidate their own folks who turned -to Islam.

http://www.islamicboard.com/8348-post2.html

Are you only going to use one verse to prove your claim? How about the more clearer verses which don't involve brackets even and explicitly state that Ishmael was truly a Prophet and a Messenger? That Muhammad is truly a Prophet and Messenger?

Also mention in the Book (the story of) Isma'il [Ishmael]: He was (strictly) true to what he promised, and he was a messenger (and) a prophet.

He used to enjoin on his people Prayer and Charity, and he was most acceptable in the sight of his Lord.

[Qur'an Mary 19: 54-55]


Muhammad is the messenger of Allah... [Qur'an 48: 29]

If that's your only criterion, then know that this can be any Prophet from the Children of Israel. David, Solomon, John the Baptist, and hundreds if not thousands of others. Since these were all jewish by blood, they were Prophets and they conveyed God's Message.


Why is Muhammad (peace be upon him) more befitting? Again, because of the huge similarities between him and Moses.

i) Both had a father and a mother, while Jesus (pbuh) was born miraculously without any male intervention.

[Mathew 1:18 and Luke 1:35 and also Al-Qur'an 3:42-47]


ii) Both were married and had children. Jesus (pbuh) according to the Bible did not marry nor had children.

iii) Both died natural deaths. Jesus (pbuh) has been raised up alive.
(4:157-158)

iv) Both besides being Prophets were also kings i.e. they could inflict capital punishment. Jesus (pbuh) said, "My kingdom is not of this world." (John 18:36).

v) Both were accepted as Prophets by their people in their lifetime but Jesus (pbuh) was rejected by his
people. John chapter 1 verse 11 states, "He came unto his own, but his own received him not."

iv) Both brought new laws and new regulations for their people. Jesus (pbuh) according to the Bible did not bring any new laws. (Mathew 5:17-18).

To name a few. Whereas the only similarity between Jesus and Moses really is that they are male prophets and from the Children of Israel.


Try looking into the Israa' wal Mi'raaj (Night of Descent Journey) :) This occured when Muhammad (peace be upon him) directly met God and spoke to Him directly. It's authentic and in the two collections of Bukhari and Muslim.






Click on this link to read about some of the miracles which he performed :)

http://islamtoday.com/show_sub_secti...=4&sub_cat_id=

MIRACLES OF THE PROPHET (peace be upon him)

PROPHET MUHAMMED (peace be upon him)

TELLING OF THE UNSEEN

INCREASING (BY BLESSING) THE FOOD

CURING OF THE SICK






Peace.

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It's very interesting to see the points in your reply. I am not going to put a long post in reply to yours, but want to point out a very smple thing.

Recently, Christians have come under attack that the Bible gives false information (at least according to Dr. Naik) and is full of mis-information and can not be trusted as the word from God, but instead made up by peole and the fathers of the Church. Yet we hear that the Bible speaks of Mohammed and Muslim self made scholars are proclaiming that Mohammed is in the Bible and we should accept him as God's prophet. Please enlighten me. Since logic is used to compare the prophethood of Mohammed comparing him with Moses, how does this sound:

Bible is not from God, Bible has false information, Bible contradicts itself, Bible misinforms, Bible gives misinformation about Jesus' death and ressuraction, Bible is two faced, Bible mentions Muhammed, therefore Muhammed is a prophet.

That sounds like a good logic right?

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Originally Posted by pbhowmik

It's very interesting to see the points in your reply. I am not going to put a long post in reply to yours, but want to point out a very smple thing.

Recently, Christians have come under attack that the Bible gives false information (at least according to Dr. Naik) and is full of mis-information and can not be trusted as the word from God, but instead made up by peole and the fathers of the Church. Yet we hear that the Bible speaks of Mohammed and Muslim self made scholars are proclaiming that Mohammed is in the Bible and we should accept him as God's prophet. Please enlighten me. Since logic is used to compare the prophethood of Mohammed comparing him with Moses, how does this sound:

Bible is not from God, Bible has false information, Bible contradicts itself, Bible misinforms, Bible gives misinformation about Jesus' death and ressuraction, Bible is two faced, Bible mentions Muhammed, therefore Muhammed is a prophet.

That sounds like a good logic right?

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Hi. :)


What our stance is towards the previous scriptures is that the revelation was sent to previous Prophets. The Torah was revealed to Moses, and the Gospel [Injeel] to Jesus son of Mary (peace be upon them.) The Psalms to David etc.


Now we believe that these books were once revealed to the honorable Messengers of God, however - they were not preserved entirely and were tampered with by the people. This is because the people who the scripture was conveyed to - it was their duty to keep it safe but they may have been coerced to or desired to change it for their own benefit, however, God has preserved the final scripture [the Qur'an] and it is our duty to convey it to the people. Since there are no more messengers after God's final Messenger, Muhammad (peace be upon him) - this scripture will remain preserved by God.

As Muslims, our authentic basis is the final revelation of God - the Qur'an and the Sunnah [Prophetic example] and we are certain that they are preserved throughout history, and this is even proven through research by non muslims themselves. We may refer to the older scriptures to see similarities between the scriptures, however it is not an obligation to do this. We might only do this because of some truth which remains within the previous books. And the final revelation - the Qur'an - is a Criterion for that.





Regards.

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Hi. :)


What our stance is towards the previous scriptures is that the revelation was sent to previous Prophets. The Torah was revealed to Moses, and the Gospel [Injeel] to Jesus son of Mary (peace be upon them.) The Psalms to David etc.


Now we believe that these books were once revealed to the honorable Messengers of God, however - they were not preserved entirely and were tampered with by the people. This is because the people who the scripture was conveyed to - it was their duty to keep it safe but they may have been coerced to or desired to change it for their own benefit, however, God has preserved the final scripture [the Qur'an] and it is our duty to convey it to the people. Since there are no more messengers after God's final Messenger, Muhammad (peace be upon him) - this scripture will remain preserved by God.

As Muslims, our authentic basis is the final revelation of God - the Qur'an and the Sunnah [Prophetic example] and we are certain that they are preserved throughout history, and this is even proven through research by non muslims themselves. We may refer to the older scriptures to see similarities between the scriptures, however it is not an obligation to do this. We might only do this because of some truth which remains within the previous books. And the final revelation - the Qur'an - is a Criterion for that.





Regards.

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You haven't answered to the logic I have provided. According to Dr. Zakir Naik the old testament has full of wrong or misguided information. So if there is wrong information, why would we use it to support our (Muslims') beliefs? You would rather stick to one conclusion, either Bible is the true God's word and yes what it says is true or Bible is bogus and we should read only the teachings from Quran. Have I made myself clear? I hope so. Thanks.

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You haven't answered to the logic I have provided. According to Dr. Zakir Naik the old testament has full of wrong or misguided information. So if there is wrong information, why would we use it to support our (Muslims') beliefs? You would rather stick to one conclusion, either Bible is the true God's word and yes what it says is true or Bible is bogus and we should read only the teachings from Quran. Have I made myself clear? I hope so. Thanks.

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I don't need to answer according to the logic you've provided, the answers simple - the Qur'an and Prophetic guidance is the Criterion to what is correct since these are the only authentic religious texts by God remaining on earth.


Obviously this is coming from an Islamic point of view, so i don't expect you to believe that. However, this is the Islamic stance. :)



Regards.