Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) Prophecised in other Scriptures.

**- Qatada -** · 01-10-2006

Prophet Muhammad (peace and blessings be upon him and his beloved family) in the Bible.

by Dr. Zakir Naik

Prophet Muhammad (peace and blessings be upon him) in the Old Testament:

The Qur’an mentions in Surah Al-Araf chapter 7 verse 157:

"Those who follow the Messenger, the unlettered Prophet, whom they find mentioned in their own (scriptures) in the law and the Gospel".

1. Muhammad (Peace and blessings be upon him) Prophesised in the book of Deuteronomy:

Almighty God speaks to Moses in Book of Deuteronomy chapter 18 verse 18:

"I will raise them up a Prophet from among their brethren, like unto thee, and I will put my words in his mouth; and he shall speak unto them all that I shall command him."

The Christians say that this prophecy refers to Jesus (peace be upon him) because Jesus (peace be upon him) was like Moses (peace be upon him). Moses (peace be upon him) was a Jew, as well as Jesus (peace be upon him) was a Jew. Moses (peace be upon him) was a Prophet and Jesus (peace be upon him) was also a Prophet.

If these two are the only criteria for this prophecy to be fulfilled, then all the Prophets of the Bible who came after
Moses (peace be upon him) such as Solomon, Isaiah, Ezekiel, Daniel, Hosea, Joel, Malachi, John the Baptist, etc. (peace be upon them all) will
fulfill this prophecy since all were Jews as well as prophets.

However, it is Prophet Muhammad (peace and blessings be upon him) who is like Moses (peace be upon him):

i) Both had a father and a mother, while Jesus (pbuh) was born miraculously without any male intervention.

[Mathew 1:18 and Luke 1:35 and also Al-Qur'an 3:42-47]

ii) Both were married and had children. Jesus (pbuh) according to the Bible did not marry nor had children.

iii) Both died natural deaths. Jesus (pbuh) has been raised up alive.
(4:157-158)

Muhammad (peace and blessings be upon him) is from among the brethren of Moses (peace be upon him). Arabs are brethren of Jews. Abraham (peace be upon him) had two sons: Ishmail and Isaac (pbut). The Arabs are the descendants of Ishmail (peace be upon him) and the Jews are the descendants of Isaac (peace be upon him).

Words in the mouth:

Prophet Muhammad (peace and blessings be upon him) was unlettered and whatever revelations he received from Almighty God he repeated them verbatim.

"I will raise them up a Prophet from among their brethren, like unto thee, and will put my words in his mouth; and he shall speak unto them all that I shall command him."

[Deuteronomy 18:18]

iv) Both besides being Prophets were also kings i.e. they could inflict capital punishment. Jesus (pbuh) said, "My kingdom is not of this world." (John 18:36).

v) Both were accepted as Prophets by their people in their lifetime but Jesus (pbuh) was rejected by his
people. John chapter 1 verse 11 states, "He came unto his own, but his own received him not."

iv) Both brought new laws and new regulations for their people. Jesus (pbuh) according to the Bible did not bring any new laws. (Mathew 5:17-18).

2. It is Mentioned in the book of Deuteronomy chapter 18:19

"And it shall come to pass, that whosoever will not harken unto my words which he shall speak in my name, I will require it of him."

3. Muhammad (peace and blessings be upon him) is prophesised in the book of Isaiah:

It is mentioned in the book of Isaiah chapter 29 verse 12:

"And the book is delivered to him that is not learned, saying, Read this, I pray thee: and he saith, I am not learned."

When Archangel Gabrail commanded Muhammad (peace and blessings be upon him) by saying Iqra - "Read", he replied, "I am not learned".

4. Prophet Muhammad (peace and blessings be upon him) mentioned by name in the old testament:

Prophet Muhammad (peace and blessings be upon him) is mentioned by name in the Song of Solomon chapter 5 verse 16:

"Hikko Mamittakim we kullo Muhammadim Zehdoodeh wa Zehraee Bayna Jerusalem."

"His mouth is most sweet: yea, he is altogether lovely. This is my beloved, and this is my friend, O daughters of Jerusalem."

In the Hebrew language im is added for respect. Similarely im is added after the name of Prophet Muhammad (peace and blessings be upon him) to make it Muhammadim. In English translation they have even translated the name of Prophet Muhammad (peace and blessings be upon him) as "altogether lovely", but in the Old Testament in Hebrew, the name of Prophet Muhammad (peace and blessings be upon him) is yet present.

To Be continued...

**Grace Seeker** · 02-09-2013

Yep, that's what I meant. Thanks for clarifying.

I sure do wish a few more people could take the approach that it was "water off a duck's back" if Christians were right about them. The arguments so many make almost make it seem like their whole faith in Muhammad needs to be substantiated by a verse in a book that they reject as corrupted it. Never made sense to me, and glad you're not in that group.

**MustafaMc** · 02-10-2013

Originally Posted by Grace Seeker

The arguments so many make almost make it seem like their whole faith in Muhammad needs to be substantiated by a verse in a book that they reject as corrupted it. Never made sense to me, and glad you're not in that group.

What the Bible says about the Comforter/Counselor has absolutely no bearing on my Islamic faith. I would like to point out that I don't have faith in Muhammad (sal alahu alayhi wa salaam) per se, but rather have faith in Allah (subhana wa ta ala). I know it seems like a picky point of semantics because I do have faith that Muhammad was a prophet, messenger and servant of Allah. I believe that he was truthful and that he received a revelation directly from Allah which I believe is the unadulterated, revealed word of Allah. Ultimately, my faith is still in Allah.

My interest in the verses you mentioned have absolutely zilch to do with my faith but entirely about an attempt to reach out to Christians who I believe have been led astray by Shaytan via Saul/Paul. It was only after deciding to practice Islam while reading the Bible that I noticed these verses that seemed to predict the coming of Muhammad as well as the ones in Galatians where I came to the conclusion that Christianity, as we know it today, is derived from the 'revelation' that Paul claimed to have received.

**Grace Seeker** · 02-10-2013

That's cool, MustafaMc. What I said about there being many Muslims who seek to use these as some sort of proof of faith in Muhammad (as a prophet, not that their faith is placed in him) is not something I claim is believed by all. But there are certainly some who present themselves to Christians that way. Maybe they don't believe it either, but they make such a big deal out of these passages to Christians that they frequently come across that way.

However, I might even share with you that a strategy of insisting that Christians are wrong in the interpretation of their own scriptures and must except another interpretation that seems to ignore everything in the passages other than a similarity in names that seems to us as unusually contrived strikes me as a very poor strategy. To twist our scriptures to say something that they don't really say, to support a concept that would have been foreign to them at the time, and thereby use a corrupted text to support an idea that as you said people don't see until after they become people who recognize Muhammad as a prophet seems rather counter-productive to me. Sort of like those Christians who try to prove from the Qur'an that Jesus died and was resurrected. I think our biases are driving those interpretations, not the text.

**AboBakar** · 07-02-2016

Not just that , none from any person who does not know Al Nabi Al Ahmadz SAW .

**Akhi_Umar** · 07-15-2016

I watched a video on this a few months back.

**dwa2day** · 09-06-2016

Originally Posted by - Qatada -

Deuteronomy chapter 18 verse 18:

"I will raise them up a Prophet from among their brethren, like unto thee, and I will put my words in his mouth; and he shall speak unto them all that I shall command him."

Isaiah chapter 29 verse 12:

"And the book is delivered to him that is not learned, saying, Read this, I pray thee: and he saith, I am not learned."

Hi Qatada
I think you are miss quoting the intention of what Isaiah has to say, on reading the whole of Isaiah the prophecy is about the poor state of worship of God from the prophets down to lay men. This is clearly shown in verse 13 were God say they only worship me with their lips and not their hearts.
With reference to the Church of Latter Day Saints the same verse is use to prove their prophet. Thus find it highly unlikely that the God of the Jews is promoting two separate belief.
Your reference to Deuteronomy 18:18 may hold more water, however I fail to see how a prophecy from one prophet meets the requirements on two. If we add to your explanation verse 20 it is a clear warning that the false prophet will be put to death. Since it is agree amounts Muslims the Jesus Christ was raised directly to Heaven he did not die, were Muhammad did die, it is safe to render that this scripture is speaking of Jesus Christ and not Muhammed as you claim.
Regards
Doug

**Scimitar** · 09-06-2016

Originally Posted by dwa2day

Hi Qatada
I think you are miss quoting the intention of what Isaiah has to say, on reading the whole of Isaiah the prophecy is about the poor state of worship of God from the prophets down to lay men. This is clearly shown in verse 13 were God say they only worship me with their lips and not their hearts.
With reference to the Church of Latter Day Saints the same verse is use to prove their prophet. Thus find it highly unlikely that the God of the Jews is promoting two separate belief.
Your reference to Deuteronomy 18:18 may hold more water, however I fail to see how a prophecy from one prophet meets the requirements on two. If we add to your explanation verse 20 it is a clear warning that the false prophet will be put to death. Since it is agree amounts Muslims the Jesus Christ was raised directly to Heaven he did not die, were Muhammad did die, it is safe to render that this scripture is speaking of Jesus Christ and not Muhammed as you claim.
Regards
Doug

If Isaiah meant the children of Israel - he would have said "your brethren" and not "their brethren"... cotext, context, and dissemination prove this.

Scimi

**dwa2day** · 09-06-2016

Originally Posted by Scimitar

If Isaiah meant the children of Israel - he would have said "your brethren" and not "their brethren"... cotext, context, and dissemination prove this.

Scimi

What nonsense. Isaiah is a Jewish Prophet that prophesied to the Jews.

**Scimitar** · 09-06-2016

Originally Posted by dwa2day

What nonsense. Isaiah is a Jewish Prophet that prophesied to the Jews.

Nonsense? bring your context and I will over turn it - to claim it is nonsense and simply expecting us to believe this - is idiotic... what methodology do you use? Are you one of those compromised uni-lingual "Judeo-Christians" ??? and if so, how can you pretend to know anything based off translations coming from yet - more translations? Asking you to explain any cotext, context and to disseminate is a waste of time if that is the case... but if not, lets open it up - shall we?

You may find you've made a heinous statement and in turn, will learn that Muslims know your holy books, better than yourself - as has been proven here many times now since I joined.

Scimi

**dwa2day** · 09-07-2016

Originally Posted by Scimitar

Nonsense? .... Are you one of those compromised uni-lingual "Judeo-Christians" ??? and if so, how can you pretend to know anything based off translations .................... has been proven here many times now since I joined.

Scimi

Hi Scimi
By no means am I asking you to believe me. All I am saying it is a person’s free choice to decide on what he believes. From a Jewish context of their literature Isaiah was a Jewish prophet that preached to the Jews. In the same manner Muhammed was a Muslim prophet who preach to the Muslims. To say anything else would be disrespecting another ones faith.
The fact you do not accept the Jewish text as authentic is your choice, however the Jews do. If you understood these text as you claim you would not be making the comments you are.
Further your personal attach on my character and faith you know little about I find vicious, offensive and disrespectful, however please know I do forgive you.

Regards

Doug

**Scimitar** · 09-07-2016

Originally Posted by dwa2day

Hi Scimi
By no means am I asking you to believe me. All I am saying it is a person’s free choice to decide on what he believes. From a Jewish context of their literature Isaiah was a Jewish prophet that preached to the Jews. In the same manner Muhammed was a Muslim prophet who preach to the Muslims. To say anything else would be disrespecting another ones faith.
The fact you do not accept the Jewish text as authentic is your choice, however the Jews do. If you understood these text as you claim you would not be making the comments you are.
Further your personal attach on my character and faith you know little about I find vicious, offensive and disrespectful, however please know I do forgive you.

Regards

Doug

You are one of those unilingual ones... hmmm... i'll go slow.

I know who Isaiah was, pbuh... I studied Judaism for many years and still do. You aint teaching me anything new lol, au contraire it is you who may learn something if you but listen.

I will raise up for them a prophet like you from among their brethren. And I will put my words in his mouth, and he shall speak to them all that I command him. - Deut 18:18

This ^ is the actual verse.

I will raise up for them a prophet like you from among your brethren. And I will put my words in his mouth, and he shall speak to them all that I command him. - dwa2day version 18:18

I'm gonna have to go real slow here aren't i?

Look Doug, it' simple - if Isaiah (who was an Israelite) was telling the Israelites that a prophet will come from the Israelites - he would have said "from among YOUR brethren" and not "THEIR brethren... this is so simple - any child can understand.

Now, leave your bias aside for a moment and think critically ok?

Abraham pbuh had two sons, Ishmael and Isaac - the covenant was established before Isaac was born and a sign of the covenant was the "circumcision". Ishmael was the first to have the circumcision, and yet God had ordained for Ishmael to not live in Salem but to travel to Paran to the valley of Bakkah (Meccah) - why so?

Well the answer to this is also in the OT - God told Abraham pbuh that HE will multiply Abrahams seed and forge from his loins - GREAT NATIONS... by right and by paternal inclusion - the brethren alluded to in Deuteronomy are Ishmael... not Isaac - and the reason is as follows.

The Israelites were notoriously known to kill, shame and exile their prophets and messengers of God - they even attempted to kill Jesus pbuh and that was the last straw which broke the camels back so to speak.

A covenant is simply a fancy word for "contract". God said HE will establish HIS covenant with the Israelites "forever" - this means that God will hold up his end of the "contract" and will not break it without due reason - but when we go to the Israelites and see what they did with the "contract", we find that the Israelites had broken it many MANY times - each time they killed, slandered and exiled a prophet or messenger of God sent to the Israelites... the last chance the Israelites had was when Jesus pbuh arrived back in Jerusalem after his missing years... and well, we know how that ends... Covenant broke...

Let's focus once again on the Deut 18:18

I will raise up for them a prophet like you from among their brethren. And I will put my words in his mouth, and he shall speak to them all that I command him. - Deut 18:18

Well, if not Jesus pbuh, then who could this verse be speaking of?

Let's now go to the Ishmaelites - as I have already demonstrated contextually how the "brethren" alluded to are the Ishmaelites.

Isaiah - also said the following:

And when they give the book to one who cannot read, saying, “Read this,” he says, “I cannot read.” - Isaiah 29-12

I wonder if you actually know how prophethood was given to Muhammad pbuh? He was in a cave located in a mountain overlooking the valley of Bakkah (Mecca) and this is when the arch angel Gabriel appeared to him and told him to "READ" and he said "I cannot read" - he was asked again "READ" and he repeated again "I cannot read", and a third time he gripped by the hands of Gabriel into a crushing embrace and told "Read - in the name of thy Lord who created..."

Since that moment, Gabriel would appear to Muhammad with revelations... back to Deut 18:18 "...And I will put my words in his mouth, and he shall speak to them all that I command him."And Muhammad pbuh would recite these to the people. This formed the Qur'an.

Your comparative methodology is non existent and in need of basic revision my friend.

God bless,

Scimi

**dwa2day** · 09-07-2016

Originally Posted by Scimitar

You are one of those unilingual ones..................... revision my friend.

God bless,

Scimi

Oh dear Scimi, you are not serious, are you sure you want to go down this road?

Originally Posted by Scimitar

I will raise up for them a prophet like you from among your brethren. And I will put my words in his mouth, and he shall speak to them all that I command him. - dwa2day version 18:18

This is a fabrication by yourself to suit your argument and was not quoted by me. Shame on you and the disgrace it brings to Islam.

Originally Posted by Scimitar

I know who Isaiah was, pbuh... I studied Judaism for many years and still do.
Look Doug, it' simple - if Isaiah (who was an Israelite) was telling the Israelites that a prophet will come from the Israelites - he would have said "from among YOUR brethren" and not "THEIR brethren... this is so simple - any child can understand.

Scimi

With respect this does not say much about your level of education. Claiming Isaiah said or wrote the above quote which comes from Deuteronomy is about 700year before Isaiah was born. Wow I understood that Moses wrote Deuteronomy, in addition Moses is quoted in the Quran more any other prophet, one would have expected you to known this.

Originally Posted by Scimitar

Abraham pbuh had two sons, Ishmael and Isaac - the covenant was established before Isaac was born and a sign of the covenant was the "circumcision". Ishmael was the first to have the circumcision, and yet God had ordained for Ishmael to not live in Salem but to travel to Paran to the valley of Bakkah (Meccah) - why so?

Well the answer to this is also in the OT - God told Abraham pbuh that HE will multiply Abrahams seed and forge from his loins - GREAT NATIONS... by right and by paternal inclusion - the brethren alluded to in Deuteronomy are Ishmael... not Isaac - and the reason is as follows.
Scimi

What utter nonsense. The covenant of circumcision has nothing to do with who is first or last let alone Deuteronomy 18:18. God said nothing remotely near to forging anyone loins. Allah or the Quran yes. But the God of Genesis 15 most defiantly did not.
However I do agree Abrahams seed would produce a great nation and yes that off spring follows both Ishmael and Isaac blood lines. But again there is no link to Deuteronomy 18:18

Originally Posted by Scimitar

The Israelites were notoriously known to kill, shame and exile their prophets and messengers of God - they even attempted to kill Jesus pbuh and that was the last straw which broke the camels back so to speak.
Scimi

Sad to say you are right, and many people of many faith has done horrendous acts in the name of faith, to me it only highlight how bad we are as humans, but nothing to do with proving your argument that Muhammad is referenced in Jewish text.

Originally Posted by Scimitar

God said HE will establish HIS covenant with the Israelites "forever" - this means that God will hold up his end of the "contract" and will not break it without due reason …… the last chance the Israelites had was when Jesus pbuh arrived back in Jerusalem after his missing years... and well, we know how that ends... Covenant broke...

Scimi

Scimi you discussing Moses writing here, although I do not agree that God of the Bible is the same God you refer to as Allah I am pretty sure you do. To infer that God / Allah will break a covenant, contract or promises or whatever word you chose is downright wrong and evil. I do not care how wrong or bad one is to break a covenant for any reason is a sin no question about it. If this is the nature of Allah wow…. Frankly you got me I am speechless.

Originally Posted by Scimitar

Let's focus once again on the Deut 18:18
I will raise up for them a prophet like you from among their brethren. And I will put my words in his mouth, and he shall speak to them all that I command him. - Deut 18:18
I'm gonna have to go real slow here aren't i? wwwislamicboardcom - Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) Prophecised in other Scriptures.

wwwislamicboardcom - Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) Prophecised in other Scriptures.

Scimi

Let also get the full context here and read further. I also use the NKJV as you have above to avoid further problems.
¹⁸I will raise up for them a Prophet like you from among their brethren, and will put My words in His mouth, and He shall speak to them all that I command Him. ¹⁹And it shall be that whoever will not hear My words, which He speaks in My name, I will require it of him. ²⁰But the prophet who presumes to speak a word in My name, which I have not commanded him to speak, or who speaks in the name of other gods, that prophet shall die.’
I am sure we will agree Muhammad has died. Islamic text also show that Jesus Christ did not die but was taken directly to heaven (Sura 5… I think please correct me if I am wrong here) Now we also know that the Quran is not corrupt and is true all else is false. Therefore Duet 18:18 can only refer to Jesus Christ.

Originally Posted by Scimitar

Isaiah - also said the following:

And when they give the book to one who cannot read, saying, “Read this,” he says, “I cannot read.” - Isaiah 29-12

Scimi

(sure this is Isaiah not Moses – light harted joke intended here)
Come Scimi you’re a scholar and we know your quote is not in the context of the passage.
¹¹The whole vision has become to you like the words of a book that is sealed, which men deliver to one who is literate, saying, “Read this, please.”
And he says, “I cannot, for it is sealed.”
¹²Then the book is delivered to one who is illiterate, saying, “Read this, please.”
And he says, “I am not literate.”
¹³Therefore the Lord said:
“In asmuch as these people draw near with their mouths
And honor Me with their lips,
But have removed their hearts far from Me,
And their fear toward Me is taught by the commandment of men,

Its all about the condition of your heart when worshiping God, nothing to do with Muhammad ability to read.

In closing I read earlier today in this forum something that rung very true. Something like this, there is no point in me trying to prove the crucifixion of Christ by using the Quran, I will fall short. If Islam is a rich faith let is work speak for its self.

Regards
Doug

**dwa2day** · 09-08-2016

Originally Posted by Scimitar

Nonsense? bring your context and I will over turn it - to claim it is nonsense and simply expecting us to believe this - is idiotic... what methodology do you use? Are you one of those compromised uni-lingual "Judeo-Christians" ???
You may find you've made a heinous statement and in turn, will learn that Muslims know your holy books, better than yourself - as has been proven here many times now since I joined.

Scimi

Turn over here???? turn what. You call me an idiot, in the light of your next post one wonders!!!!!!

Originally Posted by Scimitar

I know who Isaiah was, pbuh... I studied Judaism for many years and still do. You aint teaching me anything new lol, …………..if Isaiah (who was an Israelite) was telling the Israelites that ………..
Scimi

So you confirm may statement by writing the above, Isaiah is an Israelite who preached to the Israelite = Jews.
This is the fruit of Islam, wow why do I bother in trying to grasp this faith.

Come on man. grow up and start adding value and stop trying to show how cleaver you are in dismantling ones faith. It does no justice to you or Islam

Regards
Doug

**dwa2day** · 09-09-2016

Originally Posted by Scimitar

.....................
Let's now go to the Ishmaelites - as I have already demonstrated ........

Scimi

Your reference to Ishmael has offered some interesting study. Note the prophecy of his character before his birth. In the wilderness the Angel of the Lord also predicted that Ishmael—and therefore the Ishmaelite’s—would be stubborn, untameable, and warlike:
“He will be a wild donkey of a man; / his hand will be against everyone / and everyone’s hand against him, / and he will live in hostility / toward all his brothers” (Genesis 16:12 ESV).

During the reign of King David, the Ishmaelites joined a confederacy against God and against His people, Israel

For they conspire with one accord; against you they make a covenant— the tents of Edom and the Ishmaelites, Moab and the Hagrites, (Psalm 83:5–6).

Considering the current turmoil in the Middle East and the hatred directed against Israel by her neighbours, the prophecies concerning the descendants of Ishmael continue to prove true.

And leads on to concluded that despite ones personal desires there are unseen forces at work and perhaps the battel lines were drawn in the psalms an Islam is simply a manifestation of this.

**Scimitar** · 09-09-2016

Originally Posted by dwa2day

Turn over here???? turn what. You call me an idiot, in the light of your next post one wonders!!!!!!

This is why you cannot understand any scripture - you cannot even determine context, and cotext - I wrote this:

Originally Posted by Scimitar

bring your context and I will over turn it - to claim it is nonsense and simply expecting us to believe this - is idiotic... what methodology do you use?

And you think this is me calling you a donkey? Well, suit yourself - if that's how you feel

Your premise was "idiotic", not you - although now I think I will have to just say - maybe you are right, you must be an idiot to read things into text that was never written... AND YOU THINK YOU CAN DO BIBLE STUDY? you're unilingual aren't you? You have no appreciation for nuance, can't determine context and probably never heard of cotext either, let alone exegetical investigation... sheesh. NOOB.

Originally Posted by dwa2day

So you confirm may statement by writing the above, Isaiah is an Israelite who preached to the Israelite = Jews.
This is the fruit of Islam, wow why do I bother in trying to grasp this faith.

Why do you? You can't even grasp your own... trying to fly before you can stand eh bud?

Originally Posted by dwa2day

Come on man. grow up and start adding value and stop trying to show how cleaver you are in dismantling ones faith. It does no justice to you or Islam

Regards
Doug

Cleaver? Hate to be grammar police, but not only can't you read what others write correctly, you can't even spell... dude, you got nerve lol, telling me to add something of value when your post above this one finds what I put in this thread "interesting"

Get a grip.

Scimi

**Scimitar** · 09-09-2016

Originally Posted by dwa2day

Your reference to Ishmael has offered some interesting study. Note the prophecy of his character before his birth. In the wilderness the Angel of the Lord also predicted that Ishmael—and therefore the Ishmaelite’s—would be stubborn, untameable, and warlike:
“He will be a wild donkey of a man; / his hand will be against everyone / and everyone’s hand against him, / and he will live in hostility / toward all his brothers” (Genesis 16:12 ESV).

ESV?

why not KJV? the most popular bible??? eh?

And he will be a wild man; his hand will be against every man, and every man's hand will be against him; and he shall dwell in the presence of his brethren

And it's not just the KJV either - you pulled the ESV bible out to throw your bias here when your own bible versions contradict eachother??? You're dishonesty is noted.

Here are some other "Bible Versions" which disagree with your ESV

Jubilee 2000
KJV 2000
American KJV
Douay Rheims
Websters Bible Translation...

...to name but a few, and let's not forget, the most popular bible today - the King James Version, disagrees HARD with your ESV which is unpopular and quite new, with additions, interpolations and ommissions which differ greatly from the KJV... I ask you again, is God the author of confusion? Why so many "versions"? which then become "translated" - oft mincing to shreds the intended understanding of scripture? You have no leg left to stand on.

Now, to drive the point home - because you found my contribution "interesting" - bite this:

The NIV Bible said Ishmael will be a "wild donkey of a man", while the King James Version Bible says "wild man" in Genesis 16:12 above.

The NIV Bible also says that Ishmael will live in "hostility" among his brethrens, while the King James Version Bible says "he shall dwell in the presence of all his brethren".

As to Ishmael being against his Arab brethren and them being against him in Arabia, TO BE EXPECTED, since Ishmael was a true believer of GOD Almighty, while the Arabs during his days were idol worshipers and pagans. So Genesis 16:12 does not disprove Islam - but rather, supports it - in context, and the cotext (as well as context) is not understood by you because, let's face it - you came here with a bias - and not to actually learn anything new - despite your claim of "trying to grasp Islam", and the fact that you are unilingual, have no ability to appreciate nuance and cannot cannot even read what others write - and you've been caught out more than a few times now, putting words into the mouths of members which they never spoke...

...Whether you are Christian, or Jew - you're not a good one, evidently.

Have a nice day, Doug

Scimi

**dwa2day** · 09-10-2016

Originally Posted by Scimitar

This is why you cannot understand any scripture - Get a grip.

Scimi

Yet you still claim Isaiah wrote Deuteronomy? Hummm. yea right

**Scimitar** · 09-10-2016

You're not doing this right, Doug

Scimi

**dwa2day** · 09-10-2016

Originally Posted by Scimitar

Here are some other "Bible Versions" which disagree with your ESV

Jubilee 2000
KJV 2000
American KJV
Douay Rheims
Websters Bible Translation...

...to name but a few, and let's not forget, the most popular bible today - the King James Version, disagrees HARD ...Whether you are Christian, or Jew - you're not a good one, evidently.

Have a nice day, Doug

Scimi

Take whatever translation you like, the use of words between the different translators doses not impact on the prophecy as you seem to suggest. Ishmael and his descendants will be aggressive hard unpleasant people.

New International Version
He will be a wild donkey of a man; his hand will be against everyone and everyone's hand against him, and he will live in hostility toward all his brothers."

New Living Translation
This son of yours will be a wild man, as untamed as a wild donkey! He will raise his fist against everyone, and everyone will be against him. Yes, he will live in open hostility against all his relatives."

English Standard Version
He shall be a wild donkey of a man, his hand against everyone and everyone’s hand against him, and he shall dwell over against all his kinsmen.”

New American Standard Bible
"He will be a wild donkey of a man, His hand will be against everyone, And everyone's hand will be against him; And he will live to the east of all his brothers."

King James Bible
And he will be a wild man; his hand will be against every man, and every man's hand against him; and he shall dwell in the presence of all his brethren.

Holman Christian Standard Bible
This man will be like a wild donkey. His hand will be against everyone, and everyone's hand will be against him; he will live at odds with all his brothers.

International Standard Version
He'll be a wild donkey of a man. He'll be against everyone, and everyone will be against him. He will live in conflict with all of his relatives."

NET Bible
He will be a wild donkey of a man. He will be hostile to everyone, and everyone will be hostile to him. He will live away from his brothers."

New Heart English Bible
He will be like a wild donkey among men. His hand will be against every man, and every man's hand against him. He will live opposite all of his brothers."

GOD'S WORD® Translation
He will be as free and wild as an untamed donkey. He will fight with everyone, and everyone will fight with him. He will have conflicts with all his relatives."

JPS Tanakh 1917
And he shall be a wild ass of a man: his hand shall be against every man, and every man's hand against him; and he shall dwell in the face of all his brethren.'

New American Standard 1977
“And he will be a wild donkey of a man, His hand will be against everyone, And everyone’s hand will be against him; And he will live to the east of all his brothers.”
Jubilee Bible 2000
And he will be a wild man; his hand will be against every man, and every man's hand against him; and he shall dwell in the presence of all his brethren.

King James 2000 Bible
And he will be a wild man; his hand will be against every man, and every man's hand against him; and he shall dwell over against all his brethren.

American King James Version
And he will be a wild man; his hand will be against every man, and every man's hand against him; and he shall dwell in the presence of all his brothers.

American Standard Version
And he shall be as a wild ass among men; his hand'shall be against every man, and every man's hand against him; and he shall dwell over against all his brethren.

Douay-Rheims Bible
He shall be a wild man: his hand will be against all men, and all men's hands against him: and he shall pitch his tents over against all his brethren.

Darby Bible Translation
And he will be a wild-ass of a man, his hand against every man, and every man's hand against him; and he shall dwell before the face of all his brethren.

English Revised Version
And he shall be as a wild-ass among men; his hand shall be against every man, and every man's hand against him; and he shall dwell in the presence of all his brethren.

Webster's Bible Translation
And he will be a wild man; his hand will be against every man, and every man's hand against him; and he shall dwell in the presence of all his brethren.

World English Bible
He will be like a wild donkey among men. His hand will be against every man, and every man's hand against him. He will live opposite all of his brothers."

Young's Literal Translation
and he is a wild-ass man, his hand against every one, and every one's hand against him -- and before the face of all his brethren he dwelleth.'

Regards

Doug.

**Scimitar** · 04-27-2017

Originally Posted by dwa2day

Young's Literal Translation
and he is a wild-ass man, his hand against every one, and every one's hand against him -- and before the face of all his brethren he dwelleth.'

Regards

Doug.

Which brings me back to Deuteronomy 18:18.

Sorry, but you kinda fell into that one.

I will raise up for them a prophet like you from among their brehtren, and I will put my words in his mouth. He will tell them everything I command him. - Deut 18:18

Muhammad pbuh is the descendant of Ishmael, who was half brother to Isaac, and son of Abraham - peace be upon them all.

I would like to see you wriggle out of it.

Scimi