for those who shade douts on the truth of islam .the proof of the miracles of the Holy book Of QURAAN have been confessed even by the non muslim scientists . the sophisticated description of some of the biologoical and natural process that was described by the Holybook some 14 centuries ago has left the scientist quite fascinated and declare that QURAAN is divine message
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for those who shade douts on the truth of islam .the proof of the miracles of the Holy book Of QURAAN have been confessed even by the non muslim scientists . the sophisticated description of some of the biologoical and natural process that was described by the Holybook some 14 centuries ago has left the scientist quite fascinated and declare that QURAAN is divine message
to know about this here is useful like www.islamguide.com
Careful the skeptics are drawn to this like flies to honey. They'll whip out their distortions and pass it off as logic.
Careful the skeptics are drawn to this like flies to honey. They'll whip out their distortions and pass it off as logic.
I'm afraid the 'distortions' and 'passing off as logic' are generally on the part of those advocating such 'miracles'! However, been there, done that and can't be bothered to do it again. Anyone who has been around here more than five minutes knows all the arguments and new folks can always use the search facility to find them.
we cant force who dont want to scrutinize or use their minds .what is there on teh site is qhite facts the quotations are for well known scientists ,nothing can motivate them to say something wrong or dishonest since they are all non muslims ,but the miracles are outstanding . i think that the matter desreves more that the five minutes that you think you spent in vein .we are not addressing people who take matters lightly or transiently as their beliefs are not gonna change actually they rae not willing to hear the right voice
we cant force who dont want to scrutinize or use their minds .what is there on teh site is qhite facts the quotations are for well known scientists ,nothing can motivate them to say something wrong or dishonest since they are all non muslims ,but the miracles are outstanding . i think that the matter desreves more that the five minutes that you think you spent in vein .we are not addressing people who take matters lightly or transiently as their beliefs are not gonna change actually they rae not willing to hear the right voice
Please. Just because someone doesn't share your opinion does not mean they don't 'scrutinize' or 'use their minds'. I have done both in this particular context, as have a lot of people here on both 'sides'. In so doing I have reached the conclusions firstly that most of the 'interpretations' of Qur'anic passages on which these 'miracles' depend are unjustifiable and secondly that most widely referenced of those 'well known' scientists are far less unbiased and indeed unmotivated than you suggest.
to have you own openion is an absolute freedom.however to say something untrure or defame just to attract attention away from something this what is undesirable .you said that all of this is just bias then simply can you tell me about the embryogenesis? i bet you know nothing about it how come yu scrutunize while you dont know facts? to critisize something you have to prove the opposite ,can you tell me why QURAAN took challenge and told about embryogenesis ? it was unnecessary but this is miracles to say that this is unbiased you have to prove that embryogenesis is something different from that description but all the recent science could not find contradiction instead they found support is not this enough to be unbiased? again your personal openion is absolute freedom but if you want to convinceothers with this openion bring the proof
Please. Just because someone doesn't share your opinion does not mean they don't 'scrutinize' or 'use their minds'. I have done both in this particular context, as have a lot of people here on both 'sides'. In so doing I have reached the conclusions firstly that most of the 'interpretations' of Qur'anic passages on which these 'miracles' depend are unjustifiable and secondly that most widely referenced of those 'well known' scientists are far less unbiased and indeed unmotivated than you suggest.
May Allah bestow his mercy and grace upon you, and open your eyes to the proofs in the Noble Quran. Peace
Please. Just because someone doesn't share your opinion does not mean they don't 'scrutinize' or 'use their minds'. I have done both in this particular context, as have a lot of people here on both 'sides'. In so doing I have reached the conclusions firstly that most of the 'interpretations' of Qur'anic passages on which these 'miracles' depend are unjustifiable and secondly that most widely referenced of those 'well known' scientists are far less unbiased and indeed unmotivated than you suggest.
Always attacking the credibility of scientists huh?
WHos more reliable, a forum poster named Trumble? Or a scientist and scholar who is well known outside of LI?
I forgot, if they think there are miracle,s they MUST be being paid or something. LOL.
It would be interesting to know how many people converted based solely on miracles, as you call them, how many converted solely because Islam made sense to them and how many converted based on both.
I converted as the Quran made sense, then the proofs strengthened my conviction, then the feeling of being close to Allah during prayer fixed Allah in my heart absolutely. Very good question. Peace
yes and this is another miracle of our HOLY QURAAN taht told us about the stubborness of the agonist that if they were allowed to reach heavens,see the bright evidence they would say that they are blind folded,i always ask if a blind person could see the sun ? he never sees it does this mean that the sun doesnt exist?
may ALLAH bless all the people who defend the defenders of ISLAM and support them in the face of people who even dont want us even to raise our voice and reveal the greatness of this religion that is beyond our endless effort and that is worthy what is more that our lives if it would be taken times and times just to say that we belong to it
Further to wtp's excellent question, can anyone provide a list of scientists who have converted to Islam after making statements on the miraculous nature of the Qur'an?
Many years back I was in Indonesia, in a restaurant with a senior government official who had been educated at University in America. We sat by the window overlooking the sea. In casual conversation he pointed to an island in our view and told me that the native tribe of the island had special powers. He told me that when they were fighting the Japanese invaders they had the power to deflect bullets so that a bullet fired at them would curve and go around their bodies. I looked at him incredulously waiting for the punch line and there was none, he was deadly serious, he truly believed the these people did have magical powers. From that and subsequent learning in life I have concluded that it is VERY easy to convince human beings of the most ridiculous particularly if it is something they want to believe.
From that and subsequent learning in life I have concluded that it is VERY easy to convince human beings of the most ridiculous particularly if it is something they want to believe.
The same could be said for many accepted scientific theories that base a lot of their conclusions on guesswork, could it not? I won't go into specifics because I don't know enough about the different areas of science, it's a genuine question though. If someone is looking for a certain answer, and then even if they do all the scientific research, it's not enough for a 100% certified answer, is it not possible that they conclude what they wish?
Hmmm. I think I stopped making sense somewhere in there. meh, i guess someone might get what i mean.
as for the first question about scientists who converted to Islam i dont remember names for the time being .what actually matters is their testimony that was declared many times and again i remind every one that they were speaking about absolute scientific point of they were not religiosly motivated simply because they were non muslims .threre are thousands of people who covert to islam based upon convection and you can meet them here in this forum .as for the second question actually i have many to say . in islam we dont believe in myths or super power of the human beings .every thing happens with the will of ALLAH.prophets are human being . they have a message to reveal .this message is supported by miracles .because a divine message must have intelectual proof . the story you told about( bullets) is nothing but ignorance .islam orders us to learn and fight ignorance and this is why our religion has stress that we are all human beings and no one is exempt from doing wrong things or misunderstands but what really mattres that we eventully get the right way .Islam is religion of reason both in the miraculous aspect and human aspect.islam orders us to worship ALLAH and no one else.Islam ordered us with every thing good and beneficial and not to harm human being even if they are non muslims .the greatness of this religion is that it is religion of humanity and forgiveness. before Islam prophet Mohammed (pbuh) was known for his super manners he never lied he was the most honest and most kind among people . the story of convection and
evidence is long story ,it requires us to think with an intention to find the right way
as for the first question about scientists who converted to Islam i dont remember names for the time being .what actually matters is their testimony that was declared many times and again i remind every one that they were speaking about absolute scientific point of they were not religiosly motivated simply because they were non muslims
Surely any scientist who had become convinced that there were scientific miracles in the Qur'an would convert to Islam?
Interesting to note his reasons for not openly professing his belife. THis is most proabably the same case with Moore. THey dont want their reputation to be lost.
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