If God wants us to follow him ...

format_quote Originally Posted by justahumane

Well, so U find it easy to follow, as holy quran itself claims. Yet the laws of the book has been rejected as unpractical by almost all the Islamic nations. Though not in words, but in action rather. However muslims always claims that they follow the guidence set for them by ALLAH, yet nations find it fit to write their own laws. Perfect example of hypocricy, isnt it?

First of all, there is no nation today that can be called an "Islamic nation", at least not to my knowledge. And if there is an Islamic nation that practices the laws of Islam then it would never call the laws of Islam as impractical.

Islam has existed since the beginning of mankind and the rules set for us have existed for 1400 yrs, so Islam is anything but impractical as you can see.

When any country passes a law that contradicts the law of Islam then the muslim is bound to follows the law of Islam first. There is nothing wrong if a nation passes a law that does not contradict that laws of Islam. What you said can only be possible if the laws made by such nation contradict the laws of Islam. Since you claim it to be so I want to know which law is it that you know of in which Muslim country that contradicts the laws of Islam? If a nation does this then the blame goes on that nation and not Islam. You cannot say sleeping on the floor is impractical because someone said it is impractical.

format_quote Originally Posted by abdullah_001

First of all, there is no nation today that can be called an "Islamic nation", at least not to my knowledge. And if there is an Islamic nation that practices the laws of Islam then it would never call the laws of Islam as impractical.

Islam has existed since the beginning of mankind and the rules set for us have existed for 1400 yrs, so Islam is anything but impractical as you can see.

When any country passes a law that contradicts the law of Islam then the muslim is bound to follows the law of Islam first. There is nothing wrong if a nation passes a law that does not contradict that laws of Islam. What you said can only be possible if the laws made by such nation contradict the laws of Islam. Since you claim it to be so I want to know which law is it that you know of in which Muslim country that contradicts the laws of Islam? If a nation does this then the blame goes on that nation and not Islam. You cannot say sleeping on the floor is impractical because someone said it is impractical.

Well I might be wrong in calling them Islamic Nation instead of Muslim Nations. However the situation remains the same. Those who swear by Islam doesnt find ALLAH's laws good enough to declare them as law of the land.

I have never called nor I intend to call Islam impractical for obvious reasons.

I dont think that laws of any Nation in the world contradicts Islamic laws. But this is not an excuse for muslim nations for not opting to adopt ALLAH's laws
but replacing them by man-made laws. But if U find nothing wrong with muslims in writing their own laws than its up to U. I differ. Again I have never blamed Islam for no nation adopting its laws. Its up to muslims living in that particular Nation to choose which laws they find best for them.

Bottomline is that its not Islamic laws that are impractical but muslim nations around the world have made it look impractical.

Al Baqarah (2):213 Mankind was one single nation and Allah sent Messengers with glad tidings and warnings; and with them He sent the Book in truth to judge between people in matters wherein they differed; but the People of the Book after the clear Signs came to them did not differ among themselves except through selfish contumacy. Allah by His Grace guided the believers to the truth concerning that wherein they differed. For Allah guides whom He will to a path that is straight.


Al Maidah (5):17 In blasphemy indeed are those that say that Allah is Christ the son of Mary. Say: "Who then hath the least power against Allah if His Will were to destroy AlMasih the son of Mary his mother and all everyone that is on the earth? For to Allah belongeth the dominion of the skies and the earth and all that is between. He createth what He pleaseth. For Allah hath power over all things."


Ibrahim (14):32 It is Allah Who hath created the heavens and the earth and sendeth down rain from the skies and with it bringeth out fruits wherewith to feed you; it is He Who hath made the ships subject to you that they may sail through the sea by His command; and the rivers (also) hath He made subject to you.


Al Fath (48):11 The desert Arabs who lagged behind will say to thee: "We were engaged in (looking after) our flocks and herds and our families; do thou then ask forgiveness for us." They say with their tongues what is not in their hearts. Say: "Who then has any power at all (to intervene) on your behalf with Allah if His will is to give you some loss or to give you some profit? but Allah is well acquainted with all that ye do.


Assalamu manit taba'al huda (May peace, development and safe from guile be upon who follow the guidance).

Al Baqarah (2):90 Miserable is the price for which they have sold their souls in that they deny (the revelation) which Allah has sent down in insolent envy that Allah of His Grace should send it to any of His servants He pleases; thus have they drawn on themselves wrath upon wrath. And humiliating is the punishment of those who reject Faith.


Al Baqarah (2):105 It is never the wish of those without faith among the people of the Book nor of the Pagans that anything good should come down to you from your Lord. But Allah will choose for His special Mercy whom He will for Allah is Lord of grace abounding.


Al Baqarah (2):212 The life of this world is alluring to those who reject faith and they scoff at those who believe. But the righteous will be above them on the Day of Resurrection; for Allah bestows His abundance without measures on whom He will.


Al Baqarah (2):213 Mankind was one single nation and Allah sent Messengers with glad tidings and warnings; and with them He sent the Book in truth to judge between people in matters wherein they differed; but the People of the Book after the clear Signs came to them did not differ among themselves except through selfish contumacy. Allah by His Grace guided the believers to the truth concerning that wherein they differed. For Allah guides whom He will to a path that is straight.


Al Baqarah (2):247 Their Prophet said to them: "Allah hath appointed Talut as king over you." They say: "How can he exercise authority over us when we are better fitted than he to exercise authority and he is not even gifted with wealth in abundance?" He said: "Allah hath chosen him above you and hath gifted him abundantly with knowledge and bodily prowess; Allah granteth His authority to whom He pleaseth. Allah careth for all and He knoweth all things."


Al Baqarah (2):253 Those apostles We endowed with gifts some above others: to one of them Allah spoke; others He raised to degrees (of honor); to Jesus the son of Mary We gave clear (Signs) and strengthened him with the Holy Spirit. If Allah had so willed succeeding generations would not have fought among each other after clear (Signs) had come to them but they (chose) to wrangle some believing and others rejecting. If Allah had so willed they would not have fought each other; but Allah fulfilleth His plan.


Al Baqarah (2):255 Allah! there is no Allah but He the living the Self-subsisting Eternal. No slumber can seize him nor sleep. His are all things in the heavens and on earth. Who is there can intercede in His presence except as He permitteth? He knoweth what (appeareth to his creatures as) before or after or behind them. Nor shall they compass aught of his knowledge except as He willeth. His throne doth extend over the heavens and the earth and He feeleth no fatigue in guarding and preserving them. For He is the Most High the Supreme (in glory).


Al Baqarah (2):269 He granteth wisdom to whom He pleaseth; and he to whom wisdom is granted receiveth indeed a benefit overflowing; but none will grasp the message but men of understanding.


Al Baqarah (2):272 It is not required of thee (O Apostles) to set them on the right path but Allah sets on the right path whom He pleaseth. Whatever of good ye give benefits your own souls and ye shall only do so seeking the "Face" of Allah. Whatever good ye give, shall be rendered back to you and ye shall not be dealt with unjustly.


Al Baqarah (2):284 To Allah belongeth all that is in the heavens and on earth. Whether ye show what is in your minds or conceal it Allah calleth you to account for it. He forgiveth whom He pleaseth and punisheth whom He pleaseth. For Allah hath power over all things.


Al Imran (3):6 He it is Who shapes you in the wombs as He pleases. There is no god but He the Exalted in Might the Wise.


Al Imran (3):37 Right graciously did her Lord accept her: He made her grow in purity and beauty; to the care of Zakariya was she assigned. Every time that he entered (her) chamber to see her he found her supplied with sustenance. He said: "O Mary! whence (comes) this to you?" She said: "From Allah: for Allah provides sustenance to whom He pleases without measure."


Al Imran (3):40 He said: "O my Lord! how shall I have a son seeing I am very old and my wife is barren?" "Thus" was the answer "doth Allah accomplish what He willeth."


Al Imran (3):47 She said: "O my Lord! how shall I have a son when no man hath touched me?" He said: "Even so: Allah createth what He willeth; when He hath decreed a plan He but saith to it `Be' and it is!


Al Imran (3):73 "And believe no one unless he follows your religion." Say: "True guidance is the guidance of Allah; (fear ye) lest a revelation be sent to someone (else) like unto that which was sent unto you. Or that those (receiving such revelation) should engage you in argument before your Lord." Say: "All bounties are in the hand of Allah: He granteth them to whom He pleaseth; and Allah careth for all and He knoweth all things."


Al Imran (3):74 For His Mercy He specially chooseth whom He pleaseth: for Allah is the Lord of bounties unbounded.


Al Imran (3): 179 Allah will not leave the believers in the state in which ye are now until He separates what is evil from what is good. Nor will He disclose to you the secrets of the Unseen. But He chooses of his Apostles (for the purpose) whom He pleases. So believe in Allah and His Apostles: and if ye believe and do right ye have a reward without measure.


An Nisa (4):48 Allah forgiveth not that partners should be set up with him; but He forgiveth anything else to whom He pleaseth; to set up partners with Allah is to devise a sin most heinous indeed.


An Nisa (4):49 Hast thou not turned thy vision to those who claim sanctity for themselves? Nay but Allah doth sanctify whom He pleaseth but never will they fail to receive justice in the least little thing.


An Nisa (4):116 Allah forgiveth not (the sin of) joining other gods with Him: but He forgiveth whom He pleaseth other sins than this: one who joins other gods with Allah hath strayed far far away (from the right).


Al Maidah (5):1 O ye who believe! fulfil (all) obligations. Lawful unto you (for food) are all four-footed animals with the exceptions named: but animals of the chase are forbidden while ye are in the Sacred Precincts or in pilgrim garb: for Allah doth command according to His Will and Plan.


Al Maidah (5):17 In blasphemy indeed are those that say that Allah is AlMasih the son of Mary. Say: "Who then hath the least power against Allah if His Will were to destroy AlMasih the son of Mary his mother and all everyone that is on the earth? For to Allah belongeth the dominion of the heavens and the earth and all that is between. He createth what He pleaseth. For Allah hath power over all things."


Al Maidah (5)18 (Both) the Jews and the Christians say: "We are sons of Allah and His beloved." Say: "Why then doth He punish you for your sins? Nay ye are but men of the men He hath created: He forgiveth whom He pleaseth and He punisheth whom He pleaseth: and to Allah belongeth the dominion of the skies and the earth and all that is between: and unto Him is the final goal (of all)."


Al Maidah (5):40 Knowest thou not that to Allah (alone) belongeth the dominion of the skies and the earth? He punisheth whom He pleaseth and He forgiveth whom He pleaseth: and Allah hath power over all things.


Al Maidah (5):54 O ye who believe! if any from among you turn back from his faith soon will Allah produce a people whom He will love as they will love Him lowly with the believers mighty against the rejectors fighting in the way of Allah and never afraid of the reproaches of such as find fault. That is the Grace of Allah which He will bestow on whom He pleaseth: and Allah encompasseth all and He knoweth all things.


Al An'aam (6):39 Those who reject Our Signs are deaf and dumb in the midst of darkness profound: whom Allah willeth He leaveth to wander whom He willeth He placeth on the way that is straight.


Al An'aam (6):88 This is the guidance of Allah: He giveth that guidance to whom He pleaseth of His worshippers. If they were to join other gods with Him all that they did would be vain for them.


Al An'aam (6):125 Those whom Allah (in His Plan) willeth to guide He openeth their breast to Islam; those whom He willeth to leave straying He maketh their breast close and constricted as if they had to climb up to the skies: thus doth Allah (heap) the penalty on those who refuse to believe.


Al An'aam (6):133 Thy Lord is Self-sufficient full of Mercy: if it were His Will He could destroy you and in your place appoint whom He will as your successors even as he raised you up from the posterity of other people.


Al A'raf (7):128 And Moses said unto his people: Seek help in Allah and endure. Lo! the earth is Allah's. He giveth it for an inheritance to whom He will. And lo! the sequel is for those who keep their duty (unto Him).


Al A'raf (7):188 Say: "I have no power over any good or harm to myself except as Allah willeth. If I had knowledge of the unseen I should have multiplied all good and no evil should have touched me I am but a warner and a bringer of glad tidings to those who have faith."


At Taubah (9):15 And still the indignation of their hearts. For Allah will turn (in mercy) To whom He will; and Allah is All-Knowing All-Wise.


At Taubah (9):27 Again will Allah after this turn (in mercy) to whom He will: for Allah is Oft-Forgiving Most Merciful.


Yunus (10):25 And Allah summoneth to the abode of peace, and leadeth whom He pleaseth to a straight path.


Yunus (10):49 Say: "I have no power over any harm or profit to myself except as Allah willeth. To every People is a term appointed: when their term is reached not an hour can they cause delay nor (an hour) can they advance (it in anticipation).


Yunus (10):107 If Allah do touch thee with hurt there is none can remove it but He: if He do design some benefit for thee there is none can keep back His favor: He causeth it to reach whomsoever of His servants He pleaseth. And He is the Oft-Forgiving Most Merciful.


An Nahl (16):93 If Allah so willed He could make you all one people: but He leaves straying whom He pleases and He guides whom He pleases: but ye shall certainly be called to account for all your actions.


An Nur (24):21 O ye who believe! follow not Satan's footsteps: if any will follow the footsteps of Satan he will (but) command what is shameful and wrong: and were it not for the grace and mercy of Allah on you not one of you would ever have been pure: but Allah doth purify whom He pleases: and Allah is One Who hears and knows (all things).


An Nur (24):38 That Allah may reward them according to the best of their deeds and add even more for them out of His Grace: for Allah doth provide for those whom He will without measure.


An Nur (24):43 Seest thou not that Allah makes the clouds move gently then joins them together then makes them into a heap? then wilt thou see rain issue forth from their midst. And He sends down from the sky mountain masses (of clouds) wherein is hail: He strikes therewith whom He pleases and He turns it away fro whom He pleases. The vivid flash of His lightning well-nigh blinds the sight.


An Nur (24):45 And Allah has created every animal from water: of them there are some that creep on their bellies; some that walk on two legs; and some that walk on four. Allah creates what He wills: for verily Allah has power over all things.


An Nur (24):46 We have indeed sent down Signs that make things manifest: and Allah guides whom He wills to a way that is straight.


An Naml (27):87 And the Day that the Trumpet will be sounded then will be smitten with terror those who are in the heavens and those who are on earth except such as Allah will please (to exempt): and all shall come to His (Presence) as beings conscious of their lowliness.


Al Qashash (28):56 It is true thou wilt not be able to guide everyone whom thou lovest: but Allah guides those whom He will and He knows best those who receive guidance.


Al Ankabut (29):21 "He punishes whom He pleases and He grants mercy to whom He pleases and towards Him are ye turned.


Al Ankabut (29):62 Allah enlarges the sustenance (which He gives) to whichever of His servants He pleases; and He (similarly) grants by (strict) measure (as He pleases): for Allah has full knowledge of all things.


Rum (30):5 With the help of Allah. He helps whom He will and He is Exalted in Might Most Merciful.


Rum (30):37 See they not that Allah enlarges the provision and restricts it to whomsoever He pleases? Verily in that are Signs for those who believe.


Rum (30):54 It is Allah Who created you in a state of (helpless) weakness then gave (you) strength after weakness then after strength give (you) weakness and a hoary head: He creates as He wills and it is He Who has all knowledge and power.


Al Ahzab (33):24 That Allah may reward the men of Truth for their Truth and punish the Hypocrites if that be His Will or turn to them in Mercy: for Allah is Oft-Forgiving Most Merciful.


Saba' (34):36 Say: "Verily my Lord enlarges and restricts the provision to whom He pleases but most men understand not."


Saba' (34):39 Say: "Verily my Lord enlarges and restricts the Sustenance to such of His servants as He pleases: and nothing do ye spend in the least (in his cause) but He replaces it: for He is the Best of those Who grant Sustenance.


Al Fathir (35):1 Praise be to Allah Who created (out of nothing) the skies and the earth Who made the angels messengers with wings two or three or four (Pairs): He adds to Creation as He pleases: for Allah has power over all things.


Al Fathir (35):8 Is he then to whom the evil of his conduct is made alluring so that he looks upon it as good (equal to one who is rightly guided)? For Allah leaves to stray whom He wills and guides whom He wills. So let not thy soul go out in (vainly) sighing after them: for Allah knows well all that they do!


Al Fathir (35):22 Nor are alike those that are living and those that are dead. Allah can make any that He wills to hear; but thou canst not make those to hear who are (buried) in graves.


Shad (38):6 And the leaders among them go away (impatiently) (saying) "Walk ye away and remain constant to your gods! For this is truly a thing designed (against you)!


Az Zumaar (39):4 Had Allah wished to take to Himself a son He could have chosen whom He pleased out of those whom He doth create: but Glory be to Him! (He is above such things.) He is Allah the One the Irresistible.


Assalamu'alaikum wa rahmatullahi wa barakaatuh.

aunty glo ...tell your friend.... that god has pushed all the right buttons,and gave you crystal clear indications to make you ponder and recognize allah's existence but,you ignored them all....

format_quote Originally Posted by justahumane

Well I might be wrong in calling them Islamic Nation instead of Muslim Nations. However the situation remains the same. Those who swear by Islam doesnt find ALLAH's laws good enough to declare them as law of the land.

I have never called nor I intend to call Islam impractical for obvious reasons.

I dont think that laws of any Nation in the world contradicts Islamic laws. But this is not an excuse for muslim nations for not opting to adopt ALLAH's laws
but replacing them by man-made laws. But if U find nothing wrong with muslims in writing their own laws than its up to U. I differ. Again I have never blamed Islam for no nation adopting its laws. Its up to muslims living in that particular Nation to choose which laws they find best for them.

Bottomline is that its not Islamic laws that are impractical but muslim nations around the world have made it look impractical.

Well... if by "Those who swear by Islam doesnt find ALLAH's laws good enough to declare them as law of the land" you mean the leaders of Muslim nations then I'd agree with you. Like yourself, I also think that we should obey and follow the laws of Allah (swt) and I'm really glad that we both can agree on this. Alhamdulillah.

To be honest I may have misunderstood your original post because to me it initially seemed as though you were accounting Islamic laws as being impractical. I only wanted to rebuke that notion and since you corrected my misunderstanding I apologize to you for making that post.

Anyway though, we both agree that there should be Islamic law in Muslim land. Peace.

Your atheist friend is foolishly waiting for some sort of fancy tricks or miracles to happen but in order to believe, you need faith and faith its self is achieved when you totally believe in what you cannot see.....

[Yusufali 2:2] This is the Book; in it is guidance sure, without doubt, to those who fear Allah;
[Yusufali 2:3] Who believe in the Unseen, are steadfast in prayer, and spend out of what We have provided for them.


the above coupled with perseverance and understanding is necessary,like i said before the right buttons were pushed,from the humming of the birds,the rain that falls,the every breath taken,the feeling of unwellness that is followed by full recovery all these things are signs.......and if she ignored and didn't take heed of the many hints then alllah help her inshallah despite her unmindfulness