If it is truly saying Book then the whole Bible is confirmed if it is just saying scripture then it is still just the Torah and Gospel that is confirmed.
5:48
And We descended to you The Book with the truth , confirming to what between his hands from The Book, and guarding/protecting on it, so judge/rule between them with what God descended and do not follow their self attractions for desires about what came to you from the truth, to each from you We made/put God's decreed way of life/method/law and order , and a clear/easy/plain way , and if God wanted/willed, He would have made you one nation/generation, and but to test you in what He gave you, so race/surpass the goodnesses/generosity, to God your return altogether, so He informs you with what you were in it differing/disagreeing (P).
YUSUFALI: To thee We sent the Scripture in truth, confirming the scripture that came before it, and guarding it in safety: so judge between them by what Allah hath revealed, and follow not their vain desires, diverging from the Truth that hath come to thee. To each among you have we prescribed a law and an open way. If Allah had so willed, He would have made you a single people, but (His plan is) to test you in what He hath given you: so strive as in a race in all virtues. The goal of you all is to Allah; it is He that will show you the truth of the matters in which ye dispute;
PICKTHAL: And unto thee have We revealed the Scripture with the truth, confirming whatever Scripture was before it, and a watcher over it. So judge between them by that which Allah hath revealed, and follow not their desires away from the truth which hath come unto thee. For each We have appointed a divine law and a traced-out way. Had Allah willed He could have made you one community. But that He may try you by that which He hath given you (He hath made you as ye are). So vie one with another in good works. Unto Allah ye will all return, and He will then inform you of that wherein ye differ.
SHAKIR: And We have revealed to you the Book with the truth, verifying what is before it of the Book and a guardian over it, therefore judge between them by what Allah has revealed, and do not follow their low desires (to turn away) from the truth that has come to you; for every one of you did We appoint a law and a way, and if Allah had pleased He would have made you (all) a single people, but that He might try you in what He gave you, therefore strive with one another to hasten to virtuous deeds; to Allah is your return, of all (of you), so He will let you know that in which you differed;
"confirming to what between his hands from The Book" - in previous ayats Allah mentiones the Torah that He sent down to His Prophet Musa, praising it, commanding that it should be implemented, before it was abrogated. Allah then mentiones the Gospel, praises it and commands its people to adhere to it and follow it. He next mentioned the Glorious Qur'an that He sent down to His honorable servant and Messenger. So "from the Book" means both the Torah and the Gospel, although the word is in singular. Likewise when Quran says "people of the Book", it means both Jews and Christians.
And verily for everything that a slave loses there is a substitute, but the one who loses Allah will never find anything to replace Him.” [Related by Ibn al-Qayyim in ad-Dâ' wad-Dawâ Fasl 49]
At the time of Mohammad and even hundreds of years earlier the "books" of the Torah and the Gospel were in one Book for the Christians in the Old And New Testament that make up the Bible.
And that's why jesus said that he came to follow the torah, letter by letter and jot by jot. He also said in John chapter 16 verse 12-14:
"I have yet many things to say unto you, but ye cannot bear them now. Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth is come, he will guide you unto all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come. He shall glorify me".
This is talking about a Prophet of God who came with the same message as Jesus, who came after Jesus.
And verily for everything that a slave loses there is a substitute, but the one who loses Allah will never find anything to replace Him.” [Related by Ibn al-Qayyim in ad-Dâ' wad-Dawâ Fasl 49]
I didn't realize that Mohammad came to the disciples of Jesus. read Acts 2
John 16
7But I tell you the truth: It is for your good that I am going away. Unless I go away, the Counselor will not come to you; but if I go, I will send him to you.
Jesus has the power to send the Counselor? That would make Him GOD.
14He will bring glory to me by taking from what is mine and making it known to you. 15All that belongs to the Father is mine.
Mohammad doesn't preach the Jesus is the Son of GOD and all that belongs to the Father is also Jesus'.
Muslims don't believe that Mohammad preached that Jesus was crucified.
I didn't realize that Mohammad came to the disciples of Jesus. read Acts 2
John 16
7But I tell you the truth: It is for your good that I am going away. Unless I go away, the Counselor will not come to you; but if I go, I will send him to you.
Jesus has the power to send the Counselor? That would make Him GOD.
14He will bring glory to me by taking from what is mine and making it known to you. 15All that belongs to the Father is mine.
Mohammad doesn't preach the Jesus is the Son of GOD and all that belongs to the Father is also Jesus'.
Muslims don't believe that Mohammad preached that Jesus was crucified.
Why is he going to do that when Allah says otherwise in the Qur'an? Prophet Muhammad is the embodiment of the Qur'an. In otherwise, he is the living example of the Qur'an. He followed the Qur'an letter by letter and this is evident if you read his Biography.
That they said (in boast), "We killed Christ Jesus the son of Mary, the Messenger of Allah";- but they killed him not, nor crucified him, but so it was made to appear to them, and those who differ therein are full of doubts, with no (certain) knowledge, but only conjecture to follow, for of a surety they killed him not:- [4:156]
Jesus was not crucified.
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Last edited by 'Abd-al Latif; 05-12-2009 at 01:14 PM.
And verily for everything that a slave loses there is a substitute, but the one who loses Allah will never find anything to replace Him.” [Related by Ibn al-Qayyim in ad-Dâ' wad-Dawâ Fasl 49]
And verily for everything that a slave loses there is a substitute, but the one who loses Allah will never find anything to replace Him.” [Related by Ibn al-Qayyim in ad-Dâ' wad-Dawâ Fasl 49]
We are getting off topic. My questioned was answered. The verse and Quran confirms the Holy Bible.
They killed him not, simply means that the Jews did not kill Jesus. No one else is mentioned.
In the previous verse the Jews are called on the carpet for ...they rejected Faith; that they uttered against Mary a grave false charge
If you look to other verses in the Quran you see that it states that the Jews had killed some of their other prophets. The Quran corrects the belief that it was the complete responsibility of the Jews to have killed Jesus.
2:91...Say: "Why then have ye slain the prophets of Allah in times gone by, if ye did indeed believe?"
Mohammad/ Allah is just letting the Jews off the hook for killing Jesus.
Its funnny how you only quote some of the verses yet dont quote the verses that talk about the chirstians forgeting there convenant or corrupting the scripture
The book is a whole you have to take all of it in account. What your doing is a very boring missionery thing to do.
3.69] A party of the followers of the Book desire that they should lead you astray, and they lead not astray but themselves, and they do not perceive.
Last edited by Zafran; 05-12-2009 at 01:49 PM.
Do you think the pious don't sin?
They merely:
Veiled themselves and didn't flaunt it
Sought forgiveness and didn't persist
Took ownership of it and don't justify it
And acted with excellence after they had erred - Ibn al-Qayyim
[5.55] Your guide is only Allah, His Messenger, and the believers; those
who establish the prayer, pay their obligatory charity, and bow down (in
worship).
[5.56] Whosoever takes Allah for a guide, His Messenger, and the believers
the party of Allah is the victor.
[5.57] Believers, do not take as guides those who were given the Book
before you who have made of your religion a jest and a pastime, nor the
unbelievers. Have fear of Allah, if you are believers.
and You only follow your own vain desires
[5.49] And judge among them in accordance to that which Allah has sent down
and do not be led by their desires. Take heed lest they should turn you
away from a part of that which Allah has sent to you. If they reject your
judgment, know that Allah wants to scourge them for some of their sins.
Many of the people are wrongdoers.
so whatever view you come up with its in clear error - as the Quran clearly speaks out against you but you like to hide thsie verses.
Last edited by Zafran; 05-12-2009 at 01:51 PM.
Do you think the pious don't sin?
They merely:
Veiled themselves and didn't flaunt it
Sought forgiveness and didn't persist
Took ownership of it and don't justify it
And acted with excellence after they had erred - Ibn al-Qayyim
No one can change the words of Allah. The Holy Bible is the inspired WORD of GOD.
006.115
YUSUFALI: The word of thy Lord doth find its fulfilment in truth and in justice: None can change His words: for He is the one who heareth and knoweth all.
010.064
YUSUFALI: For them are glad tidings, in the life of the present and in the Hereafter; no change can there be in the words of Allah. This is indeed the supreme felicity.
Have you ever heard of the spurious books, Apocrypha? We know that these books passed off as scripture, but are not true scripture because we have the copies of the originals to test them against. No early church father referenced them in any of their preaching or writings. There were even book written after Mohammad's time passed off as chrisitian scripture.
002.079
Yusuf Ali: Then woe to those who write the Book with their own hands, and then say:"This is from Allah," to traffic with it for miserable price!- Woe to them for what their hands do write, and for the gain they make thereby.
Some quranic verses talk about people hiding scripture. There are verse about people distorting the Bible with their tongue - oral recitation.
Yes, I agree completely the Quran does speak out against me and all Christians and Jews. Me personally because I choose to follow Jesus as my perfect example and not Mohammad.
Yes, I agree completely the Quran does speak out against me and all Christians and Jews. Me personally because I choose to follow Jesus as my perfect example and not Mohammad.
You mean Paul, Mark, Matthews, Lukes ect and there version of christ as there were other versions of christainty before who didnt agree with Paul or your version of Jesus.
A foolish thing to do is to try to act as guide through the Quran when the Quran clearly warns us against people who follow there desires like you.
[5.57] Believers, do not take as guides those who were given the Book
before you who have made of your religion a jest and a pastime, nor the
unbelievers. Have fear of Allah, if you are believers.
Again you have to ask specific people about Verse 6:115 and not yourself as the Quran says
[5.55] Your guide is only Allah, His Messenger, and the believers; those
who establish the prayer, pay their obligatory charity, and bow down (in
worship).
you have to take the whole book - this isnt christianty or Pauls version of Christ.
Last edited by Zafran; 05-12-2009 at 02:25 PM.
Do you think the pious don't sin?
They merely:
Veiled themselves and didn't flaunt it
Sought forgiveness and didn't persist
Took ownership of it and don't justify it
And acted with excellence after they had erred - Ibn al-Qayyim
002.079
Yusuf Ali: Then woe to those who write the Book with their own hands, and then say:"This is from Allah," to traffic with it for miserable price!- Woe to them for what their hands do write, and for the gain they make thereby.
Some quranic verses talk about people hiding scripture. There are verse about people distorting the Bible with their tongue - oral recitation.
You missed the part in bold showing that you only follow your blind desires. We are not just talking oral tradition
Again your following your own desires - As the Quran says
[5.55] Your guide is only Allah, His Messenger, and the believers; those
who establish the prayer, pay their obligatory charity, and bow down (in
worship).
Take the book fully and not your desires - as i repeat you have zero authority on the Quran.
Do you think the pious don't sin?
They merely:
Veiled themselves and didn't flaunt it
Sought forgiveness and didn't persist
Took ownership of it and don't justify it
And acted with excellence after they had erred - Ibn al-Qayyim
Yes, I agree completely the Quran does speak out against me and all Christians and Jews. Me personally because I choose to follow Jesus as my perfect example and not Mohammad.
Please do tell us how is it that you follow him(jesus(pbuh))?
How much do you know about him anyway? The gospels only narrate 2 weeks of his life.
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