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    Brothers/Sisters & Dear readers,
    Alhamdolillah many many times, I have just finished a study (130 pages)about Christianity, Jesus, Trinity & God.

    I have tried my best to collect the right information and put them in a reasonable way.
    And I am asking my Great God, Allah Sobhanaho, to forgive me inshallah for any mistake that I have made without knowing or because of the shortage in my knowledge.

    Brothers/Sisters:
    Please download this material to your PCs and be sure to forward it to your friends.
    Please take the time to read it because it has a lot of good and new information.
    Please support me with your kind comments after reading the material.
    Please if you can translate this material to another languages, specially the Spanish, please do that.

    The link is below, PDF file of 7.9 Mb.
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    Jazakom Allah Khayr inshallah.

    Walhamdolillah Rabbi Alalameen

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    You can find the material on Y tube also, with some differences.The one in the download link is better.

    I wish to hear your kind feedback about the material.

    It is a slide show (power point) in PDF format with active links. Very easy to read.

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    Re: (The Truth)(About Christianity,Jesus & Trinity)(130 pages)(DO NOT MISS IT!-Slide

    I will go through it more later...
    But so far I would like to congratulate you for the work and openness I saw so far. You seem sincere...

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    Re: (The Truth)(About Christianity,Jesus & Trinity)(130 pages)(DO NOT MISS IT!-Slide

    I just went through it.
    You are right, Jesus is not a god.

    I don't know about every Christians, but most of them, including me, say that they believe one God.
    I am yet to meet a Christian who say that they believe in three gods.


    A woman does not create. She reveals what is hidden by her mothering someone. So she can reveal the invisible God if God choose to reveal Himself in the human nature.

    God does not speak with human syllables. These are temporal proper to creatures not to eternity.
    The eternal language of God is truth, and from eternity, God speaks only one Word, for God is not in time that He may speak successive words/sounds/voices...like creatures who are time-bound.
    Prophets are people who interpret/translate divine language to human language; eternal language to temporal language.
    Good interpretors are called true prophets
    False interpretors are called false prophets
    All the words of the Bible are all the one Word written down in the temporal world, in various spaces and times.
    But the Christian religion is not a religion of a Book, but a religion of the Word.

    Good luck in your investigation of Christianity

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    Quote Originally Posted by Amigo View Post
    You are right, Jesus is not a god.
    You must be the only catholic I know that thinks Jesus is not god. I have a sense that this is just another one of those famous christians' new-found meaning for words or words gymnastic, but I'll bite anyway:

    so if Jesus is not a god, what is he?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Amigo View Post
    I just went through it.
    You are right, Jesus is not a god.
    Dear Amigo, Thank you for having the time reading my material.
    You said "You are right, Jesus is not a god", this is a very good start if you mean it straight forward. What I mean by this is that, I was chatting with un-known Christian on Ytube and he said to me that: We do not believe that Jesus is a god, he was a man, (BUT) God told us in the Bible to worship him !
    Q1: Do u worship God & Jesus or only God?
    Q2: The god you believe in is 3 or 1 entity (personality)?

    Quote Originally Posted by Amigo View Post
    A woman does not create. She reveals what is hidden by her mothering someone. So she can reveal the invisible God if God choose to reveal Himself in the human nature.

    God does not speak with human syllables. These are temporal proper to creatures not to eternity.
    The eternal language of God is truth, and from eternity, God speaks only one Word, for God is not in time that He may speak successive words/sounds/voices...like creatures who are time-bound.
    Prophets are people who interpret/translate divine language to human language; eternal language to temporal language.
    Please can you clarify more these 2 paragraphs so I will not miss-understand you.
    You have used nice words (BUT) religion should be simple to be understood.

    Quote Originally Posted by Amigo View Post
    Good interpretors are called true prophets
    False interpretors are called false prophets
    OK, I have heard this from a friend Christian when I asked him about our prophet Mohammed. He said the same thing.
    I don't agree.
    The prophet does not choose himself, he is chosen by God. So God have no false prophets. Thats why the most bloody disbelievers people in the history, like Kinf Namroud at the time of prophet Ibrahim in Ninava (Iraq) and the Pharaohs of Egypt, they did not say "We are God's prophets", instead they said to their people "worship us".

    This sentence is said by the Christian Monks to the Christian when they asked them about Mohammed.
    If you read only the history, you will know Mohammed was not a false prophet.

    One day, I have heard about a sister converted to Islam when she was reading about Mohammed. She read the sentence when Mohammed asked his followers after the second war not to be around him, because God said to him in the Quran, that I will protect you from all the people.
    She said, this sister, if Mohammed was a lier and he could lie to all his followers, he should not lie to himself ! and thats mean he was a truthful man.

    Pls can you give me some evidence that Mohammed was a false prophet?

    Quote Originally Posted by Amigo View Post
    Good luck in your investigation of Christianity
    You did not tell me any way, what is wrong in my material ?

    Last question for now: I guess your native language is English, Spanish, some language with Latin letters, my Q is: pls can you tell me what is the name of the God you worship in your Bible?

    Waiting for your kind reply.

    Have a nice day Amigo.

    BRMM

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    Re: (The Truth)(About Christianity,Jesus & Trinity)(130 pages)(DO NOT MISS IT!-Slide

    Quote Originally Posted by naidamar View Post


    You must be the only catholic I know that thinks Jesus is not god. I have a sense that this is just another one of those famous christians' new-found meaning for words or words gymnastic, but I'll bite anyway:

    so if Jesus is not a god, what is he?
    Jesus is not a god. Jesus is God.

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    Re: (The Truth)(About Christianity,Jesus & Trinity)(130 pages)(DO NOT MISS IT!-Slide

    Hello Brmm

    About your video, I don't know how to give you a feedback. You are right in several points but you are wrong in the whole message.
    The reason is because you are wrong about what you think Christianity is. So you are addressing a wrong target to begin with.
    If you need to address Christinity, I think you have to do more homework. Have you ever read The City of God by St. Augustine? It is a large work but you can read his commentaries on the Bible. He made commentaries on all most books of the OT and NT. Or to make the work easy, try out a Christian Encyclopedia and see what Christians actually believe.
    If you look up a catholic encyclopedia for instance, you will find what the biggest majority of Christians believe because most are catholics.

    Once you know what Christian actually believe, then it should be easy to make a better criticism/evaluation of the Christian Faith.

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    Re: (The Truth)(About Christianity,Jesus & Trinity)(130 pages)(DO NOT MISS IT!-Slide

    Dear Amigo,
    You did not answer most of my questions ! WHY ?
    I assume that you know Christianity better than me, so WHY you do not defend your belief with proofs as I did ?

    I guess u have said Jesus is not a god a and now u have changed ur mind?
    a god & GOD is the same meaning in our dialog, which is the one who can create life from death. Do not tell me there is a false god.

    You know one day, I was listening to some debate between a Muslim and Christian scholars.
    The Christian one said: why I should believe the Quran [when the Quran is talking about the truth of Jesus as a messenger] which had been sent more than 600 years after Jesus and not believe the gospels who had been written after Jesus's life by few decades? Does that make any sense?

    The answer is very simple, The Quran is from God. Can God make a mistake ?!

    Religion is about both faith and proofs, not faith only.

    Jesus said to you in your Bible, I am a prophet, I pray for my God, God is ONE, and Jesus called His God "Allah" in Aramaic.


    I will attach some videos also:
    1st video : Jesus was not a god in old gospels and according to his family.
    2nd video: Jesus's called his god "ALLAH".
    3rd video : Old Samaritans, the real followers of Jesus, are praying like Muslims. Accept Mohammed as a prophet, and do not use the Cross.
    4th video ld Coptic Christian are praying like Muslims.
    5th video :Real Jewish man prays like Muslims.

    youtube.com/watch?v=x3WhGccOKsE&feature=player_embedded
    youtube.com/watch?v=BTSG0YzlGB8&feature=player_embedded
    youtube.com/watch?v=Ui8JguEffCA&feature=player_embedded
    youtube.com/watch?v=TRLFeldPG3Y&feature=player_embedded
    youtube.com/watch?v=0aHWASyMjwg&feature=player_embedded

    BRMM

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    Re: (The Truth)(About Christianity,Jesus & Trinity)(130 pages)(DO NOT MISS IT!-Slide

    To Brmm

    About God:

    His name is: 'I Am Who Am'
    A name gives a hint of someone's identity/character/etc...

    God is
    Only God is
    Only God exist

    What happens to us, is inheritance.
    But God's generosity, we inherit existance by the fact of being created.
    This means that God creates us to shower us with gifts from Himself.

    Yet, God did not learn generosity with the help of any creature.
    No creature can boast that if God had not created it, He would not have learned to be generous.
    God does not learn anything. God is self-sufficient.
    God is generous from all eternity, even before creating any creature
    For God is love; one but not solitary.

    I will stop here for now

    About prophets; do you believe that anyone who says that he is a prophet is sent by God?
    There are many men who says they are/were prophets, and yet they fight each other, do you think God is conflicted in himself? If they are all really sent by God why would they disagree? So in Christianity we have notions of true and false prophets. False prophets are not necessarly people who intend to lie, even though most often actually they do, for most believe that lying can be okay sometimes. Since prophecy is a matter of truth telling, approving of lie is sign of false prophecy. For God is truth itself. Nothing can conquer the truth, true prophecy preaches faith in the truth always without fail. This is how I tell it is from God.

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    Re: (The Truth)(About Christianity,Jesus & Trinity)(130 pages)(DO NOT MISS IT!-Slide

    I am sorry brother for taking a little long, but I am trying to answer you.
    Before I continue I wish to point out that:
    'a god' and 'God' is not the same thing in the Christian Faith.

    I also like answer the key points and the full message without picking small parts. I find that takes easly out of context.

    God bless
    Last edited by Amigo; 05-23-2011 at 09:01 PM.

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    Re: (The Truth)(About Christianity,Jesus & Trinity)(130 pages)(DO NOT MISS IT!-Slide

    Quote Originally Posted by Amigo View Post
    Jesus is not a god. Jesus is God.
    so Jesus IS god.

    Now, when Jesus (aka god) died, who ran the universe?

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    Post Re: (The Truth)(About Christianity,Jesus & Trinity)(130 pages)(DO NOT MISS IT!-Slide

    Hi Amego,
    Thank u for ur replies.

    Let us talk frankly:
    I AM WHO I AM / I AM THAT I AM / I WILL BE WHAT I WILL BE /I WILL BE BECAUSE I WILL BE / ...ETC with different translations.

    - Can this be a name for an individual personality and so great like "GOD" ?!
    Answer is not:
    * Can any one say "I am a god" ? Answer is NO.
    * Can any one say "I am GOD" ? Answer is NO.
    * Can any one say "I am Allah" ? Answer is NO.
    * Can any one say "I am who I am" ? Answer is YES.

    The Hebrew text from the Torah can be read as " ehyeh asher ehyeh". My question for u: can we translate names ? Do u have a different name when u travel just outside ur country ?!

    Do you wish to tell me that our great God have sent two of his considerable messengers, Moses & Jesus, with two revlead books, The Torah & The Gospel, and he have mentioned HIS name in HIS books only ONE TIME ?

    You mean God never mentioned his name in the Gospel ? A book from God but does not have the name of God.

    I think you know that the Jewish never read the name of God in the Torah because of their false understanding for the Torah and in many places they have put the letters YHVH without vowels, as a result they never knew what is the name of GOD with time.
    Exod 20:07 "You shall not misuse the name of the LORD your God, for the LORD will not hold anyone guiltless who misuses his name."

    Another thing:
    I think Paul was talking and saying:
    "09For I am the least of the apostles and do not even deserve to be called an apostle, because I persecuted the church of God. 10But by the grace of God I am what I am, and his grace to me was not without effect. No, I worked harder than all of them--yet not I, but the grace of God that was with me" 1Cor 15:09-10

    Does that mean God & Paul has the same name ?

    The name of "ALLAH" has been mentioned 2699 time in the Holy Quran. If u asked any 6 years old Muslim child in any country or language: Who is ur god? Answer will come "ALLAH".

    Amigo please ...I still need an answer for my question: What is the name of the god you worship in your Bible ? And how many times mentioned in the Torah and in the Gospel.

    This is the first question for any worshiper: "what is the name of your god?"

    Have a nice day.

    BRMM

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    Re: (The Truth)(About Christianity,Jesus & Trinity)(130 pages)(DO NOT MISS IT!-Slide

    Hi BRMM

    Please read carefully.

    'I AM WHO AM' is not 'I AM WHO I AM'

    'Allah' is the Arabic word for 'God', just as 'God' is the English word for 'Allah'
    This is not a name but a designation
    Having said this, you can count yourself how many times the word 'God' is mentioned in OT and NT.

    Please take time to ready carefully and address what is actually written instead of addressing what is in your head. I am not what you imagine me to be, and you don't decide for me what thoughts are in me. If you don't understand, be frank as you suggested yourself, don't assume because it is only against yourself that you assume.

    This way we will talk frankly.

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    Re: (The Truth)(About Christianity,Jesus & Trinity)(130 pages)(DO NOT MISS IT!-Slide

    Hi Amego,

    Please can u tell me the verses in the Bible where I can find "I AM WHO AM" ?

    Allah's name can not be translated in any language. The one who did so in some translations for the Quran, have made a mistake, therefore other translations corrected this mistake and used ALLAH even in the English or Latin ones.

    What do u mean by designation not a name? You mean it is just a title or man made name for God ?

    BRMM

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    I am sorry, Amigo not Amego.

    BRMM

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    Re: (The Truth)(About Christianity,Jesus & Trinity)(130 pages)(DO NOT MISS IT!-Slide

    I can show you were they are written, but would you believe it, don't you guys believe that the Bible is corrupt?
    Where, read the story of Moses being sent by God to free the childreen of Israel from Egypt. You can also look in the Bible where Jesus used the words while trying to explain to the Jews that before Abraham was, He is.

    About the word 'Allah'. Well, it is arabic, and arabic is a derivation from Hebrew language. Since no language can be perfectly translated into an other, I agree that 'Allah' would not mean perfectly the same thing as 'God'. But this has something to do with people's mentality and grammar, not words.
    The important thing is to grasp what is in the name.

    Yes, a name is not the same as a designation.
    'god' designate that which is worshiped.
    'I Am' reveals a particular being and something of his essence and purpose.
    Deeper still, a name reveals the character of that which is named.

    Generally no man can name the true God, but only the gods he made himself.
    Because God is only known to himself and to those He reveals himself to, it is God who reveals his name to his friends.
    This means that even searching book and picking up a name or names for God, does not guarantee knowing God's name.
    Knowing God's name is more profound than knowing a word or asking it to a friend.

    When you are sincere in your heart and sincerly looking and searching to know God, God reveals himself to you his name and you realise that no words can contain it, no human language can contain it.

    Meanwhile, men use particular designations so that other men can have an idea of what they are talking about.
    When it comes to calling on the name of God, calling God by his name, this is beyond words.

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    Hi Amigo,
    Everyone is reading this not only me, and I am also learning from you, so pls can u write to me the numbers of the verses from the Bible (From OT & NT) where I can read "I AM WHO AM" ?

    BRMM

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    Quote Originally Posted by Amigo View Post
    About the word 'Allah'. Well, it is arabic, and arabic is a derivation from Hebrew language.

    Arabic is not derivation of hebrew. Arabic is in the same language of hebrew, which is semitic, but arabic is actually older than hebrew.

    Amigo, I have noticed that you made so many statements which are not true, even you are saying that Allah is generic word for "god", even when you don't speak arabic yourself.

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    Also Amigo, you have not answered my question, I am afraid.

    You said Jesus is God, not a god.

    Now, when Jesus (God) dies, who ran the universe?

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