List why I was not satisfied with my Ex religion (OP)
I do not wish to offend anyone, this is purely my personal opinion and I hope this will benefit others to decide:
1. Catholic was founded by HUMAN - the word christian or catholic will never be found in bible as well as the word "BIBLE" itself
2. Bible is not (purely) words of God, it is from the word BIBLIA that confirms it is collection of (hundreds) of books, which means it is the words of the authors.
God or the prophets were not directly talking to each other. Also the same book has been revised countless times
3. There is Only ONE GOD - this is first 4 out of 10 Commandments of God
4. Countless verses in Bible confirms there is only One God
5. Sex occurs frequently in the bible - this is far attributable to the WORD OF GOD
JESUS in BIBLE:
1. He is not God - if he is God becoz he dont have a father, the right goes more to Adam & Eve whom were created from nothing
2. He didnt die: Bible confirm he was hangry and looking for food (John)
3. He fast, ate, circumsized, sad, upset, chased, hangry, tired, like all human
4. He was praying (the way Muslim prays today)
5. He confirms that the biggest sin a man can commit is believing in Multiple gods
Whereas everyone blv JESUS Died, so if he died, who was God - taking care of this world when he was dead
I dont think that those of Jesus statues is Jesus for real when there was no camera/video etc to support it.
I have like 13pages earlier but I shortlisted the things I could remember for now.
Well the reason I am concerned about dogs in particular is because I have two dogs that are my closest companions right now. I already feel alone enough as it is on this journey, and could not get rid of them if I wanted to right now. I know, this seems trivial and maybe it is. But that is my reality.
As for alcohol, well that is something I have struggled with for a long time. Life is hard enough without enjoying a few drinks on the weekends. I have tried to give this one up before but was never successful for a long time. I think I made it a little over a year once before something happened to make me start drinking again. I think my main problem with alcohol is boredom. I am so bored with my life right now and tired of being unhappy, and when I get bored and unhappy, I drink.
I was going to post in more detail later about all my issues with most religions when I get home and have more time.
Re: List why I was not satisfied with my Ex religion
format_quote Originally Posted by Just a Guy
Well the reason I am concerned about dogs in particular is because I have two dogs that are my closest companions right now. I already feel alone enough as it is on this journey, and could not get rid of them if I wanted to right now. I know, this seems trivial and maybe it is. But that is my reality.
As for alcohol, well that is something I have struggled with for a long time. Life is hard enough without enjoying a few drinks on the weekends. I have tried to give this one up before but was never successful for a long time. I think I made it a little over a year once before something happened to make me start drinking again. I think my main problem with alcohol is boredom. I am so bored with my life right now and tired of being unhappy, and when I get bored and unhappy, I drink.
Thank you for sharing. I now understand why those things are important to you. I apologize for calling these things trivial....but it was because I thought that you were looking for excuses to reject Islam. So please forgive me.
If I might offer some words of comfort, I'd like you to dwell on the name of God called Al-Ghaffar. He is a God who loves to forgive. If you were to go to Him with a mountain load of sins, reaching the very skies, even if your sins were to cover the entire earth and heavens.....His forgiveness is greater.
He has forgiven people who were murderers, people who buried little girls alive...... what is keeping dogs and drinking alcohol compared to that? Also consider that there was a prostitute from the Children of Israel. God forgave her simply because she gave water to a thirsty dog.
The only sin He won't forgive is worshiping other gods besides Him. That was why I said it was heart-warming to hear you say that you pray to God directly....and not to Jesus.
It is pointless to watch other people's houses crumbling when our own house is in need of repair and attention.
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Wait, how could Jesus have prayed like a Muslim? Salat mentions Muhammad who didn't come until centuries later. He prayed like the Jew that he was. In Hebrew not Arabic.
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format_quote Originally Posted by Boaz
Wait, how could Jesus have prayed like a Muslim? Salat mentions Muhammad who didn't come until centuries later. He prayed like the Jew that he was. In Hebrew not Arabic.
I think the sister meant bowing down, which most Christians do not do these days. I doubt it would be Hebrew either; possibly Aramaic.
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format_quote Originally Posted by Boaz
Wait, how could Jesus have prayed like a Muslim? Salat mentions Muhammad who didn't come until centuries later. He prayed like the Jew that he was. In Hebrew not Arabic.
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format_quote Originally Posted by Boaz
Well, we don't prostrate everyday. We bow. Prostration is only on the high holidays.
Point being Jewish prayer is almost identical to Islamic prayer, and if Jesus (p) were a Jew, then it is certain he too prayed in a similar manner..
How the prayers evolved through the ages is inconsequential.. what matters is what was, is what is meant to be, and what has been reestablished with Islam, even if the people of old forgo the right way..
best,
Text without context is pretext If your opponent is of choleric temperament, seek to irritate him
Re: List why I was not satisfied with my Ex religion
format_quote Originally Posted by Flame
Thank you for sharing. I now understand why those things are important to you. I apologize for calling these things trivial....but it was because I thought that you were looking for excuses to reject Islam. So please forgive me.
If I might offer some words of comfort, I'd like you to dwell on the name of God called Al-Ghaffar. He is a God who loves to forgive. If you were to go to Him with a mountain load of sins, reaching the very skies, even if your sins were to cover the entire earth and heavens.....His forgiveness is greater.
He has forgiven people who were murderers, people who buried little girls alive...... what is keeping dogs and drinking alcohol compared to that? Also consider that there was a prostitute from the Children of Israel. God forgave her simply because she gave water to a thirsty dog.
The only sin He won't forgive is worshiping other gods besides Him. That was why I said it was heart-warming to hear you say that you pray to God directly....and not to Jesus.
You know, I was thinking about something on my way home from church tonight. It occurs to me that maybe I am taking this whole Christianity vs. Islam thing a little too seriously. I think I just need to step back and not worry so much about this thing and that thing. I want to take everything and everyone else off the table and just make it about me and God. That is where I have to start.
It also occurs to that some of my posts sound like I am seeking attention and drama. Believe me, I am not. If I have offended anyone here by anything I have said, then I apologize. I am simply trying to find inner peace and happiness in my life.
Now with that being said, I may or may not visit a local masjid over the holiday weekend to speak to someone about a few things and take in the atmosphere. I have seen how Christians worship. Now I want to see how Muslims worship.
Re: List why I was not satisfied with my Ex religion
format_quote Originally Posted by Boaz
Well, we don't prostrate everyday. We bow. Prostration is only on the high holidays.
SALAM
can you pls clarify this?
if a person is born Jewish, then they have a Jewish soul, and they must
follow Judaism.. that's discrimination, isn't it? That's not universal.
So God makes Jewish souls, and Christian souls, and Muslim souls, and Hindu
souls? I thought all men are created equal? So, because one is born into a
religion that means by the decree of God he must remain in it. even if the
person believes it to be false? Hmm.I don't agree with that.
Another thing really bothered me.there is no strict concept of hell in
Judaism.then why be goood? Why not sin? If I don't have fear of strict
punishment, then why should I be moral?
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format_quote Originally Posted by Pygoscelis
Can I quote this? This is seriously the first time I have ever been accused of sympathy for Christianity. I am in reality probably the most anti-Christian person you are likely to meet on this board. That doesn't prevent me from seeing a one sided and faith coloured critique of it though, so I offered an objective perspective.
Well , from what i read in your posts you were mainly speaking about the christian point of view.Sorry if i offended you you but that's how it seemed to me.
format_quote Originally Posted by Pygoscelis
And I have presented my theory why you do that.
Well you know brother you never know where this world takes you , really you might be an atheist now and turn out to be somethings totally different in the future , but hopefully something good.
About my comments on you atheists i honestly didn't like the whole "we Atheists" thing it didnt sound right to me.
Re: List why I was not satisfied with my Ex religion
format_quote Originally Posted by Just a Guy
You know, I was thinking about something on my way home from church tonight. It occurs to me that maybe I am taking this whole Christianity vs. Islam thing a little too seriously. I think I just need to step back and not worry so much about this thing and that thing. I want to take everything and everyone else off the table and just make it about me and God. That is where I have to start. It also occurs to that some of my posts sound like I am seeking attention and drama. Believe me, I am not. If I have offended anyone here by anything I have said, then I apologize. I am simply trying to find inner peace and happiness in my life. Now with that being said, I may or may not visit a local masjid over the holiday weekend to speak to someone about a few things and take in the atmosphere. I have seen how Christians worship. Now I want to see how Muslims worship.
Salaam Peace be to you Bro,
sorry i didnt reply to the first post.
Honestly none of your posts seem or occur like you are seeking attention but it seems that you are alost person that is trying to find their way in this life , i think many people understand , this is something normal. Please dont have this opinion about yourself or others because many people here actually care and are willing to help you with the knowledge that God has gifted them with. No need to apologize
I hope you find true happiness and inner peace and i hope God guides you to that which is best.
I think sister Flame has very good advice i'd work by it myself.
Yes and it is good that you also want to have a direct relationship with God almighty nothing can give you more inner relief than that.
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format_quote Originally Posted by andrea17
SALAM
can you pls clarify this?
if a person is born Jewish, then they have a Jewish soul, and they must
follow Judaism.. that's discrimination, isn't it? That's not universal.
So God makes Jewish souls, and Christian souls, and Muslim souls, and Hindu
souls? I thought all men are created equal? So, because one is born into a
religion that means by the decree of God he must remain in it. even if the
person believes it to be false? Hmm.I don't agree with that.
Another thing really bothered me.there is no strict concept of hell in
Judaism.then why be goood? Why not sin? If I don't have fear of strict
punishment, then why should I be moral?
. According to what you are saying on men's equality. You mean that you can freely leave Islam and Islam will be okay with that?
. About hell, Don't you think it is rather insincere to follow God out of fear of hell? Don't you think God notice? Don't you think God cares wether we are following Him out of sincere love or just hoping to escape Hell? Considering all these, it is clear that fear can not produce morality. Fear produces hypocrisy toward God and hypocrisy is immoral. Only love produce morality.
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format_quote Originally Posted by Amigo
. According to what you are saying on men's equality. You mean that you can freely leave Islam and Islam will be okay with that?
. About hell, Don't you think it is rather insincere to follow God out of fear of hell? Don't you think God notice? Don't you think God cares wether we are following Him out of sincere love or just hoping to escape Hell? Considering all these, it is clear that fear can not produce morality. Fear produces hypocrisy toward God and hypocrisy is immoral. Only love produce morality.
Why is fear hypocritical but love isn't? People are fearful of doing badly in exams because of the bad consequences of that, does this make them insincere? :S Fear of God isn't even something you should disagree about since it's mentioned many times in the bible too. If God thought fear was immoral why would He tell you to fear him?
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Fear of God and fear of Hell are two different things. If you're following God to earn "Heaven points", then that is not fear of God. Fear of God doesn't mean to be afraid of your own shadow and to forget to live, it's awareness that God is always watching.
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format_quote Originally Posted by Dagless
Why is fear hypocritical but love isn't? People are fearful of doing badly in exams because of the bad consequences of that, does this make them insincere? :S Fear of God isn't even something you should disagree about since it's mentioned many times in the bible too. If God thought fear was immoral why would He tell you to fear him?
thanks for replying before me, all I know is that Islam is not complicated and very easy to understand
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