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    Is There Evidence of Allah's Existence? (OP)


    I believe that there is no verifiable scientific proof that Allah (swt) exists. By this I mean that no one has ever seen, smelled or touched Him. Moses conversed with Him through the burning bush, but we don't have a tape recording of the conversation. No one has measured or defined His nature other than what He has revealed in the Quran. Belief in Allah (swt) is the most fundamental belief that we Muslims and other theists have. Why do you believe in His existence?

    My belief in Allah (swt) centers around the requirement I see for a Creator. This perceived need of a Creator is derived from my scientific knowledge (PhD in genetics and molecular biology, mash'Allah) and through the use of my mind to know that the universe and all life (as my friend Eric noted) did not arise by chance, but rather was created by a Higher Power that I know as Allah (swt). It is my choice to believe in Allah (swt) as it is the choice of others to disbelieve.

    I will use an analogy that I have stated elsewhere. If I were to walk upon a beach and came upon three bricks (_ _ _) that were stacked on top of each other perfectly aligned like:

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    I would conclude that someone came before me and stacked them up in that matter. The fact that there were no footprints left in the sand would not be proof that I was wrong and that the bricks instead became stacked by the random crashing of the waves on the shoreline. Rather I would conclude that these waves erased the footprints of the person who stacked the bricks while leaving the bricks standing. How much more intricate is the design of life systems that are evidence of a Creator?


    Why do you believe in Allah (swt)?

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    Re: Is There Evidence of Allah's Existence?

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    I believe that Allah exists and the proof is all around us:
    • The creation of life itself: The miracle of pregnancy and childbirth is all too amazing!
    • Nature: I don't know of any person who can recreate self-sustaining trees, oceans, grass, ants, elephants, sunlight, the planets, etc.
    • Emotions: Love, Hate, Jealousy, Happiness--These are things we feel each and every day, yet we don't see them in a solid matter-like form.
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    Re: Is There Evidence of Allah's Existence?

    Assalamalaikum,
    Science is just for humans...humans need explanation,Allah (swt) is The Creator of all..We believe what we see, but in Islam one has to believe in Allah even if the eye cannot see Him, that is what is faith
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    Re: Is There Evidence of Allah's Existence?

    format_quote Originally Posted by cottonrainbow View Post
    I believe that Allah exists and the proof is all around us:
    • The creation of life itself: The miracle of pregnancy and childbirth is all too amazing!
    • Nature: I don't know of any person who can recreate self-sustaining trees, oceans, grass, ants, elephants, sunlight, the planets, etc.
    • Emotions: Love, Hate, Jealousy, Happiness--These are things we feel each and every day, yet we don't see them in a solid matter-like form.
    Assalamu alaikum, sister. My opinion is that what you wrote are examples of deductive, indirect evidences for the existence of Allah. The first one being the sexual reproduction of higher organisms. I know a bit about biology and I agree that the male and female reproductive organs, the corresponding gametes and the process for their coming together and developing into a new individual is most miraculous event and I believe that it could not have arisen by random chance without a Creator directing and controlling its development. Yes, there exists other things that we can't measure or observe directly, but we still know they exist. Take for example oxygen. Oxygen has existed since before the very first living organism, but only recently did humans have any knowledge of its existence and of why it is important for life to exist. No one has ever seen, touched, tasted or smelled an oxygen molecule, but we know of its existence. In contrast the existence of Allah (swt) is orders of magnitude beyond our ability to comprehend, but for the discerning individual our knowledge of the creation points to the existence of a Creator that exists outside of our realm of existence which is that of time and space. Illustrating our incapacity to think outside of this realm and to understand Allah (swt), a simple point should suffice - what is 1 millimeter beyond the farthest reaches of the universe, or what existed one millisecond before the Big Bang? Even with my extremely limited understanding, I am left in awe of the One to Whom we pray and worship, subhan'Allah, glory to Allah (swt).
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    Re: Is There Evidence of Allah's Existence?

    Assalaamu Alikum Wa Rahmatullahi Wa Barakaatuh

    I am not knowledgeable but a very simple person but as I saw, read, knew and understood; Qur'aan is full of them and to those who can not understand Qur'aan then they can read the books of Miracles of the Qur'an and hadeeth too ; they will find many things explained there in shaa Allah...

    to me; Allah Is exist and I feel Him in everything and everywhere; I know He Is there watching over me, taking care of me, giving me and protecting me. So much had happened; unexplained things telling me how much He Is here with me ...O Allah make me deserve being Your slave and servant O Allah Ameeeen

    We only need to see not just with our eyes but heart and mind too and then will know that He Is exist The Exalted The Most High and will also taste the sweetness of real happiness, inner peace, content and pleasure...laa ilaha illa Allah.

    may Allah lead our way to Him and keep us guided and firm on His path of truth and success in dunya and Akhirah Ameeen
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    Re: Is There Evidence of Allah's Existence?

    "He is the First and the Last, and the Manifest and the Hidden, and He has knowledge of everything." Al-Hadid 57:3 "How is it that you do not believe in Allah when the Messenger calls you to believe in your Lord..." 57:8
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    Re: Is There Evidence of Allah's Existence?

    (continuing) Footnote in Mawdudi translation to ayat 57:3 "These are some of God's major Attributes: God has always been even when there was nothing else and He will always be even when there will be nothing else. Furthermore, God is the Most Manifest of the manifest, for whatever is manifest is so because of His Attributes, His Work and His Light. He is also the Most Hidden of the hidden. This is because He cannot be grasped by the senses. Additionally, His essence and reality defy man's intellect, thought and imagination."
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    Re: Is There Evidence of Allah's Existence?

    Since we have no direct, tangible evidence of Allah (swt) and since He is beyond our capacity to comprehend, how do we know the One we worship? We know Him by His names and His attributes. I came across a few ayah at the end of Surah Al-Hashr that I felt are appropriate here, "He is Allah: there is no god but He; the Knower of the unseen and the manifest, He is the Most Merciful, the Most Compassionate. He is Allah: there is no god but He: the King, the Holy, the All-Peace, the Giver of security, the Overseer, the Most Mighty, the Overpowering, the All-Great. Exalted be He from whatever they associate with Him. He is Allah, the Planner, the Executer and Fashioner of creation. His are the names most beautiful. Whatever is in the heavens and the earth extols His Glory. He is the Most Mighty, the Most Wise." 59:22-24
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    Re: Is There Evidence of Allah's Existence?

    Assalamu` Alaykum,

    Shabir Ally has spoken about this topic before, "Does God exist?" You may want to look up one of his videos on YouTube where you will find a thorough explanation if you'd like. I cannot post any links as of yet so you will have to search for "Shabir Ally does God exist" second video listed on YouTube.
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    Re: Is There Evidence of Allah's Existence?

    If you ask if there is any evidence for the existence ofGod I would answer yes It’s everything that you see, hear and touch. Then I wouldsay that believing in Allah Subhana Wa Ta’ala is not through proof but throughfaith.

    Why doyou believe in Allah (swt)?
    Life ismeaningless if you believe that you are just born then live and then you die.What is the point of living in this world for 60-70 years then you turn todust.
    Believingin Allah Subhana Wa Ta’ala gives a purpose to my life. I know where I camefrom, where I’m going and where I will end up (OK it could be either/or).Believing in Him also makes you a better human being as you strive to live alife according to His pleasure. The reward that is offered for a life that ispleasing to Him is unimaginable, and Insha’Allah it should be the finaldestination of all human beings
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    Re: Is There Evidence of Allah's Existence?

    format_quote Originally Posted by Abu Loren View Post
    If you ask if there is any evidence for the existence ofGod I would answer yes It’s everything that you see, hear and touch.
    Yes, we have indirect evidence of the Creator through His creation which are referred to in the Qur'an as signs. However, we have no direct, observable evidence of His existence and, yes, that is where faith comes in to play an essential role.
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    Re: Is There Evidence of Allah's Existence?

    If we are just using science and engineering to try and prove the need for a creator then look at this attempt to make a human robot by Honda, a massive company with huge resources and technology. Created with a large amount of intelligent design, it might be impressive as a robot, but we can see its short comings compared to the average human body,

    How can blind evolution without intelligent design create a far superior body than this intelligently designed robot, putting together 200 bones a few hundred ligaments, tendons and muscles, plus all the sensors and computers.

    Sorry the video does have some background music

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N_m56irWKeI


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    Re: Is There Evidence of Allah's Existence?

    “ Were they created by nothing, or were they themselves the creators?

    Or did they create the heavens and the earth? Rather, they are not certain.

    Or do they own the treasures of thy Lord? Or have they been given charge (thereof)? ”

    { Sura At-Tur, 52 : 35-37 }
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    Re: Is There Evidence of Allah's Existence?

    The Qur'an is the proof of Allah. The miracles of the Holy Prophet (saw) are a proof of Allah. The acceptance and the blessed nature of the answering of prayers by Allah are a proof of Him. And dreams are signs of the proof of His existence as well, since they are one of the parts of Prophethood left behind for us Muslims.
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    Re: Is There Evidence of Allah's Existence?

    i just wanted to put a thought out here


    pursuing knowledge for the sake of defending islam - although noble - may not always be the best intention to hold.

    i personally have found that my knowledge remains strongest when i try to gain knowledge to be better aware of Allah


    hope this isnt out of place here
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    Re: Is There Evidence of Allah's Existence?

    format_quote Originally Posted by Eric H View Post
    If we are just using science and engineering to try and prove the need for a creator then look at this attempt to make a human robot by Honda, a massive company with huge resources and technology. Created with a large amount of intelligent design, it might be impressive as a robot, but we can see its short comings compared to the average human body,

    How can blind evolution without intelligent design create a far superior body than this intelligently designed robot, putting together 200 bones a few hundred ligaments, tendons and muscles, plus all the sensors and computers.

    Sorry the video does have some background music

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N_m56irWKeI


    Take care

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    The difference here is that we've been working on robotics for something like 50 years. Human evolution has been ongoing for millions of years. Why should we expect robotics to be as advanced as humans after such a short period of time?

    A lot of people who argue against evolution forget to consider the time scales that we're talking about. Millions or hundreds of millions of years.
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    Re: Is There Evidence of Allah's Existence?

    format_quote Originally Posted by Who Am I? View Post
    I do have to admit that the whole dinosaurs thing puzzles me, though.
    Sorry for being late to the conversation...

    But I would like to ask why so many people are upset/frustrated by the existence of dinosaurs? Does the existence of dinosaurs somehow negate the existence of Allah? This question isn't meant to be argumentative, I'm genuinely curious.

    Also, why are so many people bothered by the theory of evolution? Personally, I think evolution is as much a theory as gravity is, but I find that this strengthens my belief in Allah. The way I see it is who/what else could devise such a complex and efficient plan?

    And to throw in my two cents on the existence of Allah, I agree with CosmicPathos. If we deny the existence of Allah, then we kind of have to accept infinite regress, which doesn't make sense. This isn't the only reason I believe in Allah, but it is one of the easier ones for me to explain.
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    Re: Is There Evidence of Allah's Existence?

    format_quote Originally Posted by the_stranger View Post
    But I would like to ask why so many people are upset/frustrated by the existence of dinosaurs? Does the existence of dinosaurs somehow negate the existence of Allah?
    Dinosaur fossils as evidence for the previous existence of species of life that no longer exist do not bother me, nor do they negate or compromise my belief in creation of all existing and extinct species of life by Allah (swt).
    Also, why are so many people bothered by the theory of evolution? Personally, I think evolution is as much a theory as gravity is, but I find that this strengthens my belief in Allah. The way I see it is who/what else could devise such a complex and efficient plan?
    Neither does the theory of evolution challenge my faith in Allah (swt) as my creator. I have some understanding of how each individual begins as a unicellular fertilized egg and then goes through specific, programmed cellular divisions and tissue differentiation to become a unique individual. All necessary information is contained in the DNA of that fertilized egg, but it wouldn't develop outside of the environment of a woman's uterus. This example of an individual can be seen as an analogy for how its species could have originated from a unicellular Common Ancestor, but how all of the necessary genetic changes came about merely by chance seems ludicrous to me. That Allah (swt) created the first pair of each species intact seems more reasonable.
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    Re: Is There Evidence of Allah's Existence?

    believing in evolution has disastrous affects on imaan. adam alaihissalam was created by Allaah not evolved and we are hus descendants.

    beware of the shaytan and his traps
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    Re: Is There Evidence of Allah's Existence?

    format_quote Originally Posted by MustafaMc View Post
    This example of an individual can be seen as an analogy for how its species could have originated from a unicellular Common Ancestor, but how all of the necessary genetic changes came about merely by chance seems ludicrous to me. That Allah (swt) created the first pair of each species intact seems more reasonable.
    Would you please elaborate on this? I find it very interesting and I want to take advantage of your scientific knowledge, as well as your knowledge of Islam.

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    Re: Is There Evidence of Allah's Existence?

    format_quote Originally Posted by the_stranger View Post
    Would you please elaborate on this? I find it very interesting and I want to take advantage of your scientific knowledge, as well as your knowledge of Islam.
    I have no knowledge of the exact means of our creation. There are several ayah in the Qur'an about creation such as,

    {Allah hath created every animal of water. Of them is (a kind) that goes upon its belly and (a kind) that goes upon two legs and (a kind) that goes upon four. Allah creates what He will. Lo! Allah is Able to do all things.} 24:45

    {And He it is Who hath created man from water...} 25:54

    {...We have created you from dust, then from a drop of seed, then from a clot, then from a little lump of flesh shapely and shapeless, that We may make (it) clear for you...} 22:5

    {Verily We created man of potter's clay of black mud altered,} 15:26

    When I wrote "can be seen as an analogy" I meant only from an external physical appearance of similarity in the embryological development of individuals of various animal species from a fertilized egg to an embryo to a zygote to an infant to an adult as being similar to what evolution presumes as the means for the origin of species from a Common Ancestor. What ToE completely lacks though is that the entirety of genetic information required for a complete individual of a species is present within the fertilized egg and that development comes only inside the womb of its mother. There is much similarity in the genetic code of different species including the same 4 nucleic acids adenine, thymine, cytosine and guanine arranged in a DNA double helix. This is used as evidence for descent from a Common Ancestor. If one takes the example of a horse and a donkey or a zebra, they are physically very similar and mating between them can produce viable offspring BUT those offspring are sterile and do not reproduce. One can presume from this viable mating a common ancestor from which the species diverged; however, despite the high degree of genetic similarity the differences in chromosome number and structure could not have arisen merely by chance and a long period of time. The presence of genetic mutations in germ cells that become sperm or eggs is presumed to be the source for 'species building' genetic variation, but if one uses his mind he will know that those mutations lead to less fit not more fit individuals. Think in terms of offspring from parents exposed to radiation at Hiroshima, Nagasaki, Chernobyl, and Fallujah (search for images Fallujah depleted uranium) and you will get a sense of what I am talking about. For a much less dramatic example, think about how a human with Down's Syndrome is basically sterile despite only having one extra chromosome.

    Now let's go to the other extreme and place into the mix an intelligent agent such as man. Through understanding genetic principles and extensive experimentation man has learned to genetically engineer bacteria, plants and animals. For example, plants have been genetically manipulated to produce a bacterial toxin that kills insects. Now let me ask, "Despite the incredible survival advantage, would this exact change EVER have happened in nature without the involvement of an intelligent being directing the processes even over the course of a zillion years?" Can this brief example shed light on how inadequate ToE is in explaining the origin of the species through entirely naturalistic processes without the active design and involvement of a Creator?
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