"Say (O Muslims), "We believe in Allaah and that which has been sent down to us and that which has been sent down to Ibrahim (Abraham), Isma'il (Ishmael), Ishaque (Isaac), Ya'qub (Jacob), and to Al-Asbat [the twelve sons of Ya'qub (Jacob)], and that which has been given to Musa (Moses) and 'Iesa (Jesus), and that which has been given to the Prophets from their Lord. We make no distinction between any of them, and to Him we have submitted (in Islam)."
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we follow all the messengers by following the Prophet Muhammad SAW and Islam. We believe in all of the messengers AS. we follow all of them, by following the Prophet Muhammad SAW.
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Assalamu Alaykum,
Alhamdulillah, as Muslims we are blessed to be commanded to believe in, respect and love all of the Prophets sent by Allah SWT and their original message of submission and Tawhid, from the Prophet Adam (AS) to the Prophet Muhammad (SAW).
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format_quote Originally Posted by Jewel
The Christian responds and says "Well, I accept Moses but follow only Jesus Christ and his way!"
I follow Moses too, because he prophesied about Jesus in Deutoronomy 18. 18 I (God) will raise them up a Prophet from among their brethren, like unto thee, and will put my words in his mouth; and he shall speak unto them all that I shall command him. 19 And it shall come to pass, that whosoever will not hearken unto my words which he shall speak in my name, I will require it of him.
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format_quote Originally Posted by Legal_alien
I follow Moses too, because he prophesied about Jesus in Deutoronomy 18.18 I (God) will raise them up a Prophet from among their brethren, like unto thee, and will put my words in his mouth; and he shall speak unto them all that I shall command him.19 And it shall come to pass, that whosoever will not hearken unto my words which he shall speak in my name, I will require it of him.
And you can't be a true Christian unless you negate the prophethood of Hz Muhammad s.a.w and we can't be a true Muslim unless we confirm the prophethood of Hz Jesus Christ..!
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I am sorry but the Muslim is no different. The Muslim says "Well, I accept Moses and Jesus but follow only the message of Muhammad!" I mean how many of you keep the sabbath? In fact when I asked if one can even follow the Old Testament in Islam, I was told no:
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It's is difference between ''is'' and ''were''. Of course Jesus and Moses ''were''prophets of their respective era. They're to be accepted accordingly but now Hz Muhammad s.a.w ''is'' the prophet for all human beings till this world exist.
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format_quote Originally Posted by azc
It's is difference between ''is'' and ''were''. Of course Jesus and Moses ''were''prophets of their respective era. They're to be accepted accordingly but now Hz Muhammad s.a.w ''is'' the prophet for all human beings till this world exist.
How is this different from a Christian's view of Moses?
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@fschmidt
: If someone says George bush ''is'' the president of U.S. Another says, No, Barak Obama ''is'' still on this office but we say, indeed they ''were'' but now it's Donald trump. Obviously the views of both persons are incorrect. Do you understand this simple example..?
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format_quote Originally Posted by azc
@fschmidt : If someone says George bush ''is'' the president of U.S. Another says, No, Barak Obama ''is'' still on this office but we say, indeed they ''were'' but now it's Donald trump. Obviously the views of both persons are incorrect. Do you understand this simple example..?
format_quote Originally Posted by azc
It's is difference between ''is'' and ''were''. Of course Jesus and Moses ''were''prophets of their respective era. They're to be accepted accordingly but now Hz Muhammad s.a.w ''is'' the prophet for all human beings till this world exist.
I still fail to see the difference from Christianity. The Christian says Moses was a prophet in his era, but Jesus is the prophet for all human beings till this world exist. How is this fundamentally different from what you say, other than who happens to be the last prophet?
Note that my view is fundamentally different. I consider Moses, Jesus, and Muhammad to be equally valid prophets with different variations of essentially the same message. The variations account for the variations in people, so different messages will be better suited for different people. In my case, the message of Moses is best suited for me. And reading the quote from the Quran at the top of this thread, it seems that my view agrees with the Quran while the Muslim view does not.
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format_quote Originally Posted by fschmidt
I still fail to see the difference from Christianity. The Christian says Moses was a prophet in his era, but Jesus is the prophet for all human beings till this world exist. How is this fundamentally different from what you say, other than who happens to be the last prophet? Note that my view is fundamentally different. I consider Moses, Jesus, and Muhammad to be equally valid prophets with different variations of essentially the same message. The variations account for the variations in people, so different messages will be better suited for different people. In my case, the message of Moses is best suited for me. And reading the quote from the Quran at the top of this thread, it seems that my view agrees with the Quran while the Muslim view does not.
Rub is that you don't want to understand this simple matter... Don't you know who came last.. Moses or Jesus or Hz Muhammad s.a.w..? In addition, Jesus came only for people of Israel. It's wrong to say that he for the mankind till the world exist... Then Jesus said to the woman, "I was sent only to help God's lost sheep--the people of Israel.'' (Matthew 15:24)
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format_quote Originally Posted by azc
Rub is that you don't want to understand this simple matter... Don't you know who came last.. Moses or Jesus or Hz Muhammad s.a.w..?
Muhammad came last. Why does the order matter? I like older music more than this year's music. I don't think the latest is necessarily the greatest.
In addition, Jesus came only for people of Israel. It's wrong to say that he for the mankind till the world exist... Then Jesus said to the woman, "I was sent only to help God's lost sheep--the people of Israel.'' (Matthew 15:24)
Who were the people of Israel? They were not an ethnicity. They were the people who followed God. In the Old Testament, Ruth is an example of this. She was a Moabite, one of the most hated nations to the Israelites. Yet she joined the Israelites without a problem. This is because race doesn't matter. The Israelites were simply the nation who followed God, and anyone who wanted to follow God could join them. This is much like Islam. So what Jesus meant is that he was sent to the people who follow God but were lost because they were led astray by the rabbis (Pharisees). Jesus was not sent to fix paganism, that is the point.
Muhammad came last. So? Why does the order matter? I like older music more than this year's music. I don't think the latest is necessarily the greatest.
which prophet's biography is the most comprehensive ..?
Who were the people of Israel? They were not an ethnicity. They were the people who followed God. In the Old Testament, Ruth is an example of this. She was a Moabite, one of the most hated nations to the Israelites. Yet she joined the Israelites without a problem. This is because race doesn't matter. The Israelites were simply the nation who followed God, and anyone who wanted to follow God could join them. This is much like Islam. So what Jesus meant is that he was sent to the people who follow God but were lost because they were led astray by the rabbis (Pharisees). Jesus was not sent to fix paganism, that is the point
Prove it from bible that Jesus came towards mankind. (Specific verse should be quoted)
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format_quote Originally Posted by fschmidt
Muhammad came last. Why does the order matter? I like older music more than this year's music. I don't think the latest is necessarily the greatest.
I read medicine books about treatment of tuberculosis, one from 1920´s and one from this year. Which one I get more accurate infomation about treatments of this disease? Maybe the latest is the greatest? I may like more about older book and it´s text but it doesn´t help me to cure the disease.
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format_quote Originally Posted by sister herb
I read medicine books about treatment of tuberculosis, one from 1920´s and one from this year. Which one I get more accurate infomation about treatments of this disease? Maybe the latest is the greatest? I may like more about older book and it´s text but it doesn´t help me to cure the disease.
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format_quote Originally Posted by azc
@fschmidt : which prophet's biography is the most comprehensive ..?
Obviously the more recent, the more comprehensive. So a false prophet like Bahá'u'lláh has a more comprehensive biography than Muhammad because Bahá'u'lláh is more recent. But that doesn't validate anything.
Prove it from bible that Jesus came towards mankind. (Specific verse should be quoted)
There is no proof, only interpretation. And I already gave mine, that Jesus came for the Israelites who were meant to set an example for all mankind, and who all people could join.
format_quote Originally Posted by sister herb
I read medicine books about treatment of tuberculosis, one from 1920´s and one from this year. Which one I get more accurate infomation about treatments of this disease? Maybe the latest is the greatest? I may like more about older book and it´s text but it doesn´t help me to cure the disease.
I don't know anything about tuberculosis, but sometimes newer is better and sometimes it isn't. Bahá'í is newer than Islam. Is Bahá'í better than Islam?
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format_quote Originally Posted by fschmidt
Obviously the more recent, the more comprehensive. So a false prophet like Bahá'u'lláh has a more comprehensive biography than Muhammad because Bahá'u'lláh is more recent. But that doesn't validate anything. There is no proof, only interpretation. And I already gave mine, that Jesus came for the Israelites who were meant to set an example for all mankind, and who all people could join. I don't know anything about tuberculosis, but sometimes newer is better and sometimes it isn't. Bahá'í is newer than Islam. Is Bahá'í better than Islam?
now you've proven yourself as a highly ignorant person.
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