A recent post made me ponder.. but this is not the best place to ask, being an islamic site and all but I see many Christians in here and ex Christians too!
What it's essentially about is that in islam, it is basic to have learnt about the 25 prophets. The message is understood via the historical lessons given to man throughout the ages as they collectively progressed in these stories. So for those who accept islam, they are already following the final messenger and they are settled...
What is not settled is that we know the Jews are still awaiting their final(?) messenger. They rejected Jesus and Muhammad peace be upon them both. Christians rejected Muhammad (pbuh), so are they waiting for a final messenger or have they settled for what is brought to them by the Bible? or: There are no more messengers! Or : Don't know?
Or am I not clear?
As long as my heart does beat, I shall live, not lie
For when my heart does stop its beat, with truth, I die.
All 3 religions are waiting for t he Messiah to return although for different reasons. I don't think either religion has another prophet that they should be expecting.
Ok... I think that is looking at it rather simplistically..
Let me elaborate. Dajjal would arrive and be very convincing as warned our holy prophet pbuh. Isa a.s would descend and deal with Dajjal. That is more or less the muslim's views. So there are two central figures here. One would be the ultimate deceiver. But the 'spiritual' leader is someone else.
When Dajjal arrives, would the Christians would view him as anti Christ? It appears to me likely that they will follow the Jews and Dajjal... As most of the weak faith muslims... I would probably stick my neck out and say even medium faith muslims..
As long as my heart does beat, I shall live, not lie
For when my heart does stop its beat, with truth, I die.
Oh, well your original post was speaking of prophets, not the end times. Both Muslims and Christians are awaiting the appearance of the Antichrist/Dajjal as a sign of judgement day nearing.
Muslims are awaiting the appearance of The Mahdi as well. Some Christians believe that the Mahdi will be/Is the Antichrist, so they won't be following him unfortunately and will likely oppose him. I don't recall anything about a different spiritual leader in the Christian teachings (but I'm rusty at this point). For Christians, when the Antichrist arrives, Jesus will come soon after. I could be mistaken. I also don't know if they believe Jesus will lead the people for a period of time or if the coming of Jesus means judgement day straight away.
Of course, as Muslims we know that Dajjal will appear, Al Mahdi will appear and Isa (as) will appear last and he will lead the people for a time before judgement day comes.
Ok... I think that is looking at it rather simplistically..
Let me elaborate. Dajjal would arrive and be very convincing as warned our holy prophet pbuh. Isa a.s would descend and deal with Dajjal. That is more or less the muslim's views. So there are two central figures here. One would be the ultimate deceiver. But the 'spiritual' leader is someone else.
When Dajjal arrives, would the Christians would view him as anti Christ? It appears to me likely that they will follow the Jews and Dajjal... As most of the weak faith muslims... I would probably stick my neck out and say even medium faith muslims..
no br you got that wrong, weak faithed muslims and medium faith muslims will not follow dajjal as otherwise 90 percent of muslims will follow him!
no br you got that wrong, weak faithed muslims and medium faith muslims will not follow dajjal as otherwise 90 percent of muslims will follow him!
Correct me if i am wrong.
Well prior to that, we know that before the arrival of dajjal wouldn't there be two camps?
One camp full of imaan and no hypocrisy,
Other camp full of hypocrisy and no imaan.
So speaking about Muslims, that Allah knows how many will follow Mahdi. Majority of Muslims now a days have become "i follow Islam because my parents follow it"-mentality. Allah knows the condition of their heart.
Also we know from a hadith that the Arabs will be few in the time of mahdi, which is kind of bizarre as Arabs exceed 300 million in current times with majority being Muslims. Not to forget hadith about two camps of the same religion fighting each other and many people dying. I am not sure if this is being the Muslims..
Well prior to that, we know that before the arrival of dajjal wouldn't there be two camps?
One camp full of imaan and no hypocrisy,
Other camp full of hypocrisy and no imaan.
So speaking about Muslims, that Allah knows how many will follow Mahdi. Majority of Muslims now a days have become "i follow Islam because my parents follow it"-mentality. Allah knows the condition of their heart.
Also we know from a hadith that the Arabs will be few in the time of mahdi, which is kind of bizarre as Arabs exceed 300 million in current times with majority being Muslims.
i think with the arrival of mahdi [as] most muslims if not all will become very religious as they will know dajjals about to come and things are about to get serious!
our religion will be about to be victorious with th coming of mahdi and Isa [as] and dajjal taking 90 percent of muslims in his camp will be a failure for us
even the common muslims now [one who hardly prays] knows about the dajjal and his miracles so muslims by and large should be safe; there are ofcourse these 'hypocryts' and 'modernists' amongst us but they are few and dajjal will get them
i think with the arrival of mahdi [as] most muslims if not all will become very religious as they will know dajjals about to come and things are about to get serious!
our religion will be about to be victorious with th coming of mahdi and Isa [as] and dajjal taking 90 percent of muslims in his camp will be a failure for us
even the common muslims now [one who hardly prays] knows about the dajjal and his miracles so muslims by and large should be safe; there are ofcourse these 'hypocryts' and 'modernists' amongst us but they are few and dajjal will get them
Well brother ...that one i have my doubts. The moment i embraced Islam by choice. Those years after that i was actively hoarding mass amount of knowledge about the deen. Also about dajjal and end times. I have talked with some Muslims that also live in the west and are Muslims their whole life. I was kind of confused that they never heard of dajjal. Back in the Middle East they have had heard of dajjal, but not really actively thinking about him and his powers anymore. So it gave me mixed feelings.
Also not to forget we are talking about Muslims like 90% with having in mind more than 1 bilion Muslims. However Arabs will be few and also many Muslims will die during the malhama (the big war). A part will flee and Allah(swt) will never forgive them. Just before Jesus(as) would arrive Muslims will be about 1200 or so..if i am not mistaken...
So from 1.6 BILLION Muslims to 1200..o_O!!??
BTW, i also forget to mention about the sound or ..(my memory has abandoned me little bit) that we Muslims have to go in sujood and say something something (forgot what it was..need to refresh all of it once again). But during this time MANY will die who has not gone in sujood and thus protected themselves from the sound.
Abdullah ibn Mas'ud [r.a.] said that the Prophet صلى الله عليه وسلم said: "When there is a Sayha (scream) in Ramadan, then there will be turmoil in Shawwal, and the tribes will form groups in Zul-Qi'da, and blood will be spilled in Zul-Hijja, and in Al-Muharram! What is prohibited?" saying it three times, "Oh, Oh! The people will be killed in a great massacres." He said: "We said: "What is the Sayha (scream), O Messenger of Allah?" He said: "This will be in the middle of Ramadan, on a Friday morning. That will be when the month of Ramadan begins on a Friday night. There will be a Hadda (powerful, hammering sound) that will awaken one who is asleep, and bring the young women out of their rooms, on a Friday night during a year of many earthquakes (and very cold). So when Ramadan begins on a Friday night in that year, then when you have prayed Fajr on Friday in the middle of Ramadan, then enter your houses, close your doors, block your windows, cover yourselves, and block your ears. When you sense the scream, fall down in prostration to Allah and say: "Subhanal-Quddus, subhanal-Quddus, rabbunal-Quddus (Glory be to the Most Holy, glory be to the Most Holy, our Lord is the Most Holy)." For whoever does that will survive, and whoever does not will perish." (Nuaim bin Hammad's Kitab Al-Fitan, Hadith )
Well brother ...that one i have my doubts. The moment i embraced Islam by choice. Those years after that i was actively hoarding mass amount of knowledge about the deen. Also about dajjal and end times. I have talked with some Muslims that also live in the west and are Muslims their whole life. I was kind of confused that they never heard of dajjal. Back in the Middle East they have had heard of dajjal, but not really actively thinking about him and his powers anymore. So it gave me mixed feelings.
Also not to forget we are talking about Muslims like 90% with having in mind more than 1 bilion Muslims. However Arabs will be few and also many Muslims will die during the malhama (the big war). A part will flee and Allah(swt) will never forgive them. Just before Jesus(as) would arrive Muslims will be about 1200 or so..if i am not mistaken...
So from 1.6 BILLION Muslims to 1200..o_O!!??
BTW, i also forget to mention about the sound or ..(my memory has abandoned me little bit) that we Muslims have to go in sujood and say something something (forgot what it was..need to refresh all of it once again). But during this time MANY will die who has not gone in sujood and thus protected themselves from the sound.
it doesn't matter if some havn't heard about him; 99.9 percent of muslims will know that the very anti-thesis of Islam is to accept a man as God; at the time of dajjal islam will allready be victorious as Mahdi [as] and the mujahideen would have destroyed the christian armies and established shariah all over the middle east so Islam and it's knowledge will be flourishing
all muslims will be able to see the word 'KAAFIR' written on dajjals forhead!; thats enuf for them to run the other way!
it doesn't matter if some havn't heard about him; 99.9 percent of muslims will know that the very anti-thesis of Islam is to accept a man as God; at the time of dajjal islam will allready be victorious as Mahdi [as] and the mujahideen would have destroyed the christian armies and established shariah all over the middle east so Islam and it's knowledge will be flourishing
all muslims will be able to see the word 'KAAFIR' written on dajjals forhead!; thats enuf for them to run the other way!
Well Allah knows best. As even these times when just observing Muslims that as refugees come to EU and other countries. Some (weak willed Muslims) giving up their religion to stay in that country. Also there are others that have abandoned Islam as they see ISIS being Islam =_=!. I think these other people that have abandoned Islam were munafiq at the start, but never had the right excuse to abandon it. So all i have seen is cleansing of the Ummah. Weak willed Muslims that easily would give up their religion and also the munafiq. Besides that many non-Muslims have started investigate Islam and become Muslims. Some other weak willed Muslims have finally started to dig in their deen and have tasted imaan and strengthened their imaan.
Around me just a few years ago..people were doing what they were doing...including me. And i sub'han'Allah have seen many brothers suddenly becoming more practicing. I THINK the people who will read KAAFIR on the head of dajjal would be the ones who are already convinced of Islam and Allah by heart. As the moment when dajjal arrives it would be the case of imaan. But again Allah knows best.
Well Allah knows best. As even these times when just observing Muslims that as refugees come to EU and other countries. Some (weak willed Muslims) giving up their religion to stay in that country. Also there are others that have abandoned Islam as they see ISIS being Islam =_=!. I think these other people that have abandoned Islam were munafiq at the start, but never had the right excuse to abandon it. So all i have seen is cleansing of the Ummah. Weak willed Muslims that easily would give up their religion and also the munafiq. Besides that many non-Muslims have started investigate Islam and become Muslims. Some other weak willed Muslims have finally started to dig in their deen and have tasted imaan and strengthened their imaan.
Around me just a few years ago..people were doing what they were doing...including me. And i sub'han'Allah have seen many brothers suddenly becoming more practicing. I THINK the people who will read KAAFIR on the head of dajjal would be the ones who are already convinced of Islam and Allah by heart. As the moment when dajjal arrives it would be the case of imaan. But again Allah knows best.
yes indeed Allah knows best but we can form good inferences from the evidences and wisdom; the apostating muslims are few
Allah says in the Quran, this deen will prevail and the ultimate prevailing will take place with the emergence of Mahdi and Isa [as] so what sort of 'victory' would it be for Islam if kaafirs win over 90 percent of muslims?; more like it will be a massive victory to them!
Imam an Nawawi interpreted the verse which says 'good deeds will not go to waste' (9:120) as that muslims who have done good deeds for ALlah will die as muslims; do we think 90 percent of muslims are dying as kaafirs now? [there is a masive test just like the one of dajjal just before death when satan comes in the form of our parents...], ALlah mercy doesn't change and such a great unbearable fitnah wont be suddenly be put upon them that changes this
there is no evidence either that suggests dajjal will win over such great numbers of muslims and muslims are always optimistic/hopeful thus thinking positive about the future is the sunnah way!
the deviant muslims like isis will correct their aqeedah once the Mahdi is here for then there will be no more arguments ... all muslims will know the Mahdi [as] has the correct Islam!
muslims with strong imaan wont fall prey to dajjal wether dajjal has kaafir written on his forehead or not, so to think that all other muslims will fall prey to dajjal negates the wisdom of ALlah as what will be the point of ALlah showing this to muslims if it dont work?
dajjal will come with great fitnah and 'miracles' but ALlah has countered that with assisting muslims with miracles of his own ...
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I remember a saying by our holy prophet pbuh something to the effect of 'islam arrived somewhat like a stranger and will leave like a stranger...'
slam bro!
that basically means the practicing muslims will become few again just like it started with few; but all the improper muslims are muslims too and inshALlah we will all make it!
It's not fair to generalize/call them weak willed or devious for straying from the religion. You don't know their life stories. Perhaps they have good reason for their decisions. What if they were never properly educated on Islam? Would you have them follow Islam blindely?
It's not fair to generalize/call them weak willed or devious for straying from the religion. You don't know their life stories. Perhaps they have good reason for their decisions. What if they were never properly educated on Islam? Would you have them follow Islam blindely?
I can i THINK take myself as the example you are using. I was born as a Muslim. I practiced Islam..did what i had to do..but never knew or even understood anything about Islam. I was to be honest hands down i am not sure even a Muslim. i became an atheist when i came to the west but that took another 9 years before i counted myself as a atheist, but sub'han'Allah what puzzles me..when ever somebody said something bad against Muslims i defended Muslims and Islam although not knowing ANYTHING about it. To this day it is very confusing to me. It is like something in you defend something, but logically speaking you are not even sure why..but somehow just do it. The harshest and only thing negative i ever have said and believed during my time as an atheist was that "religion is man-made"..that's it..nothing more. Off course how such a fool i was without giving actual objective evidence..which it doesn't exist .
Anyhow, in my life as an atheist i have questioned things..i saw people including myself recover from a broken heart once and i REFUSED to believe that a broken heart is just "normal" thing. I saw people hopping from one broken heart to another. I have by "human standards" lived a "ugly" child hood life when immigrating to the west while now looking back from a bit of wisdom of Allah(swt), i saw ALHAMDULILLAH. It was a MAJOR blessing that i have lived such a life with 100% conviction in that blessing.
Allah(swt) has thrown strange things (signs) in my path as He throws strange things (signs) on other people's path's. If you after so many signs still not wonder..what is going on, what is your conclusion then? 9/11 false flag did me nothing (make me ponder), invading of Iraq, Afghanistan, Somalia you name it..nothing made me ponder. However what happened here in the west the things that people found "normal" made me ponder. While for some people things in the west did not make them ponder, but 9/11 false flag, invading Iraq, Afghanistan..etc. etc made them ponder. Now we also have Arab spring, ISIS and other groups. Islam is being attacked day in and day out the amount of people becoming corrupt in lying, stealing, etc you see day in and day out. This will go on till the arrival of dajjal. If people still have not pondered about ANY of those things, for sure you cannot blame Allah(swt) that they follow dajjal or even say somebody is weak willed. Allah(swt) knows best off course, but those people have received EVERY chance there is before Allah(swt) has let lose the biggest fitna since Adam(as).
I can give you all kind of food, but if you do not eat and die of hunger, you cannot blame me for dying of hunger.
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Thank you for sharing your story, and I am happy you found your way back to Islam after everything you went through and actually pondering over the religion, and not just following it out of family tradition and whatnot.
However, I still see a problem with a few of your statements:
Allah(swt) has thrown strange things (signs) in my path as He throws strange things (signs) on other people's path's. If you after so many signs still not wonder..what is going on, what is your conclusion then?
Again, you're generalising. Those might have been signs for you, but not to others. Or just because you saw those things as signs doesn't mean others have. And how do you know these other apostates or whoever haven't wondered over what is going on in the world? Perhaps they did and just reached a different conclusion. As you rightfully said, God does indeed make paths for all of us, perhaps this state of disbelief these people are going through is just a temporary part of their path in life. We don't know, only God knows. Perhaps the signs that ultimately get the apostate(s) to revert back didn't get revealed to them yet. We all have our journeys.
I can give you all kind of food, but if you do not eat and die of hunger, you cannot blame me for dying of hunger.
Not a very good metaphor. Again, this is assuming your hypothetical person even knows that the food you left him will nourish him, or that he even found it. It doesn't sound like you even know why they rejected your food. You don't actually have enough information to come to that conclusion.
And conceal your speech or publicize it; indeed, He is Knowing of that within the breasts. [67:13]
I post that to remind you God knows what is in all our hearts, you and I do not. So don't belittle others by calling them weak willed and similar sentiments.
The reason I am staying adamant about this issue is because I have friends and family that have been mistreated by Muslims in the past for this very subject. They started off curious but ignorant on Islam and Muslims around them treated them with ridicule, calling them exactly that: weak-willed and other mocking names without any right.
Years down the road a few actually continued to educate themselves on Islam and reverted/converted, despite the negative response of the Muslims around them. Others went in the OPPOSITE direction. They grew to despise Muslims and Islam because of the way they were talked down to.
Thank you for sharing your story, and I am happy you found your way back to Islam after everything you went through and actually pondering over the religion, and not just following it out of family tradition and whatnot.
However, I still see a problem with a few of your statements:
Again, you're generalising. Those might have been signs for you, but not to others. Or just because you saw those things as signs doesn't mean others have. And how do you know these other apostates or whoever haven't wondered over what is going on in the world? Perhaps they did and just reached a different conclusion. As you rightfully said, God does indeed make paths for all of us, perhaps this state of disbelief these people are going through is just a temporary part of their path in life. We don't know, only God knows. Perhaps the signs that ultimately get the apostate(s) to revert back didn't get revealed to them yet. We all have our journeys.
Not a very good metaphor. Again, this is assuming your hypothetical person even knows that the food you left him will nourish him, or that he even found it. It doesn't sound like you even know why they rejected your food. You don't actually have enough information to come to that conclusion.
And conceal your speech or publicize it; indeed, He is Knowing of that within the breasts. [67:13]
I post that to remind you God knows what is in all our hearts, you and I do not. So don't belittle others by calling them weak willed and similar sentiments.
The reason I am staying adamant about this issue is because I have friends and family that have been mistreated by Muslims in the past for this very subject. They started off curious but ignorant on Islam and Muslims around them treated them with ridicule, calling them exactly that: weak-willed and other mocking names without any right.
Years down the road a few actually continued to educate themselves on Islam and reverted/converted, despite the negative response of the Muslims around them. Others went in the OPPOSITE direction. They grew to despise Muslims and Islam because of the way they were talked down to.
You seem to misunderstand much of my post. Let me further clarify it.
If you read my comment again you see that every person will get other signs. Allah (swt) has taken upon Himself to show His ayaat before we die. 80 ayaat may not do you or me anything but aya number 81 may make me ponder and also those 80 ayaat before can confirm my pondering. With some of those family members of yours 99 ayaat may not make them ponder but aya number 100 may make them ponder and 99 previous ayaat may become a confirmation.
There are people despite everything they do not follow..it is not because of they are blind for it. It's is because of dishonesty. As often somebody for example KNOWS ooh Islam is the truth but I hate those Muslims so I do not want to be Muslim. What has truth to do with those corrupt people that associate themselves with the truth?. What they show is arrogance and pride...sounds familiar right...iblies his behavior.
There are people in the west that look down on Arabs because of them being less educated and stuff. So everything that the Arabs come up with those western people reject...again you see a trend?..pride..I have seen this iblies tradition in many situations being repeated.
To me many Arabs are "idiots" and what remains and truly follow Islam are my brothers and sisters. There "idiots" are so longing to want to know English language and looking down on the Arabic language..I almost wanna cry and you fool look what you are throwing away. Allah has given you a diamond from birth you want to through it away for a less valuable something.
About abuse in the childhood of mine here in the west I have also been psychically and mentally abused but it is very illogical and irrational that person having done that to me doesn't understand single thing about Islam. That person practices Islam like I was ..never tasted imaan judging by her actions..full of envy and hatred. I rather feel sorry for her.
Anyways Allah shows all of His signs and on the Day of Judgement the person going to hell will even agree 100% that he or she deserves to go to hell. Everybody is convinced and agreed on their judgement before continuing.
We're definitely on the same page when it comes to acknowledging we all have our own signs and I have no further problems with your stance on that issue. That is exactly what I was trying to say too.
But again, I don't think you understand my problem with the way you're judging these people you keep referring to:
There are people despite everything they do not follow.
Agreed.
it is not because of they are blind for it. It's is because of dishonesty.
How do you know this?
As often somebody for example KNOWS ooh Islam is the truth but I hate those Muslims so I do not want to be Muslim.
True, I agree and it definitely is sad.
What they show is arrogance and pride...sounds familiar right...iblies his behavior.
How do you know they're arrogant and prideful? You're jumping to conclusions. Have you ever lived in a warzone before? Serious question. I have and its pretty ugly and certainly does make you question a lot of things. If it made these refugees coming over question their religion, I can understand. Of course you could be right, but we don't know.
There are people in the west that look down on Arabs because of them being less educated and stuff. So everything that the Arabs come up with those western people reject...again you see a trend?
What Arab things are you talking about, and how are they looking down at them? Be specific. How do you know it's pride? If these Arabs youre talking about arent educated, maybe the westerners DO know more on whatever subject you're talking about.
There "idiots" are so longing to want to know English language and looking down on the Arabic language.
Why are you calling them idiots because they want to learn another language? That sounds silly. And English is almost a universal language, very useful to learn. How do you know theyre looking down on Arabic? You're assuming. Take me for example. I'm learning French. That doesn't mean I look down at other languages that I know.
Anyways Allah shows all of His signs and on the Day of Judgement the person going to hell will even agree 100% that he or she deserves to go to hell. Everybody is convinced and agreed on their judgement before continuing.
If you know that judgement is for God, why are YOU so judgemental of these refugees coming over trying to assimilate in the west, or apostates or whoever? You call them idiots, weak-willed, arrogant, etc. That's backbiting. You don't know their situations, you're just assuming for whatever reason. You could be right sure, but you could also be wrong. You are not in a position to judge them. And it's just rude.
I apologise if I sound confrontational. I just think it's important to not judge other people, even if we disagree with their life choices.
I think you are mixing some things of mine. But i blame myself for it, for not making it clear.
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How do you know this?
There are people who do not follow the religion of Islam because of arrogance and pride. But i have NOT referred to weak willed Muslims. Who are weak willed Muslims one must first ask. Those people to my opinion are the ones that had questions but never had answers to their questions or people who have just practiced Islam their whole life not knowing or understanding what Islam is all about. The could also be among refugees. As i myself when i came to the west had similar problem.
Now before dajjal would arrive these weak willed Muslims will for sure get every sign there is that could make them ponder that is my believe and faith in Allah(swt) IF they have left Islam because of that doubt. Others munafiq among them..well no need to talk about them as you know what a munafiq already is.
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How do you know they're arrogant and prideful? You're jumping to conclusions. Have you ever lived in a warzone before? Serious question. I have and its pretty ugly and certainly does make you question a lot of things. If it made these refugees coming over question their religion, I can understand. Of course you could be right, but we don't know.
Definition of arrogance:
"offensive display of superiority or self-importance; overbearing pride."
When we pray you might stand next to me. As equals before Allah. I might have more knowledge of Islam, you might have more understanding of Islam, i might be rich, you might have more charisma..however we stand NEXT to each other before Allah(swt). Even if you were a king..you will stand next to me as equals before Allah(swt). IF one KNOWS Islam is the truth, what has some corrupt person that associate himself with Islam to do with the religion of Islam because he also says he is a Muslim and you because of that reject becoming Muslim. You do not want to be associated with that person by any kind although it is the truth. You feel yourself more important than being a Muslim and humbling yourself in front of Allah(swt). Let me repeat that again, You feel yourself more important than being a Muslim and humbling yourself in front of Allah(swt).
Yes i have lived in a warzone. I have seen dead bodies laying around..i have seen bullets going through the sky when it was dark like fireworks going one side to the another. I have lost my own father to war and born without a father and lived without a father. I have with my family fled from war. So i THINK i can talk a LITTLE BIT about war.
People in those countries are sheep. You do what you have to do..DO NOT ASK QUESTIONS!!..QUESTIONS ARE EVIL!!..This is the mentality. While Islam is open for all kind of questions and i ask A LOT OF QUESTIONS compared to the average person and i alhamdulillah have each time gotten a logical, rational and reasonable answer to each one of those questions. So questioning your religion, there is NOTHING wrong with it. Those people might leave the religion because of all the confusion there is even nothing wrong with it i might even say. Allah(swt) will guide whom He wants. He will show every person His signs. The person who has left the religion will for sure come back to it if he is honest without pride or arrogance in'sha'Allah.
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What Arab things are you talking about, and how are they looking down at them? Be specific. How do you know it's pride? If these Arabs youre talking about arent educated, maybe the westerners DO know more on whatever subject you're talking about.
Within the Middle East women are covered up, this is seen as something backward. Having a beard even is seeing as something backward..homeless..men having multiple wives..as something backward and oppressing. Having Arabic clothes (male) some backward thinking..(as men do not wear dresses). People eating with their hands, seeing as something from cavemen..as civilized people eat with spoons and forks. Islamic slaughtering..something backward doing such harm to a animal instead of ending its suffering with a pin to the head. Not shaking hands with women..something backward as men and women are equal.
definition of superiority:
"the quality or condition of being superior."
If this is not feeling superior than please do teach me what superior means. I am not talking about some subject that they might know one or two things more than you. In life we will always see or meet people who know more than us. Education also isn't everything. There are some illiterate old men in villages we have never heard of and they bear ma'sha'Allah sooo much wisdom and understanding of things. If we talk about education is only way to knowledge and understanding..that by that definition Rasullah(saws) illiterate and without any education was ignorant. Which off course is just rubbish. I have witnessed myself people who have master degrees..they are more blind that the person born blind. Some know much as they have learned it..but understand little of all of what they have learned. As understanding comes from Allah(swt).
In this day and age, people lack understanding. They are too emotional. They never ponder as tv and music and other stuff prevents them from pondering. I knew a person and that person would not read my replies longer than a few sentences..o_0!!?? As that person said that it takes just too much time to read them. But talking about nonsense subjects that person had enough time to talk about it. However among people from the Middle East there is also a lot of pride. I know this because i have witnessed it very much. When you say something right..and they know you are right and they are wrong, often they try to belittle you in front of other people. What do you say or do in those situations..=_=!. I have learned to be at least in their presence as the conversations only goes about politics and money. Here in the west is only politics and religion and they don't know anything about both of them. I am not saying i know more, but it is watching propaganda channels and have a opinion based on those propaganda channels ...o_O!!..
format_quote Originally Posted by ReckonerH
Why are you calling them idiots because they want to learn another language? That sounds silly. And English is almost a universal language, very useful to learn. How do you know theyre looking down on Arabic? You're assuming. Take me for example. I'm learning French. That doesn't mean I look down at other languages that I know.
No you misunderstood what i said, but i blame myself on this. Every language is a blessing from Allah(swt). The people i call "idiots" are the ones that disregard Arabic language and feel as if it is inferior to English language. If it was up to me, for every Muslim who speaks English, i would say learn Arabic (including myself). For every Arabic speaker i would say learn English AT LEAST. Because knowledge right now not because it is a universal language..but because right now it is the language of science. If you want to learn up to 10 languages..it is all blessing from Allah(swt). So my argument is only to those people who feel as if Arabic language is superior to any other language.
format_quote Originally Posted by ReckonerH
If you know that judgement is for God, why are YOU so judgemental of these refugees coming over trying to assimilate in the west, or apostates or whoever? You call them idiots, weak-willed, arrogant, etc. That's backbiting. You don't know their situations, you're just assuming for whatever reason. You could be right sure, but you could also be wrong. You are not in a position to judge them. And it's just rude.
I apologise if I sound confrontational. I just think it's important to not judge other people, even if we disagree with their life choices.
I think this part..if you have read other parts..you will in'sha'Allah have better understanding what i have tried to say.
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but I see many Christians in here and ex Christians too!
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