Hi, I would like to tell you about Jesus Christ

Peace be with you Jacqueline

If Jesus pbuh was God - why did he not know the hour? if you are going to tell me that he was man and god at the same time while claiming that "I an the father are one" means he was always god, and in the next breath telling me the bible says Jesus claimed that he did not know the hour because he was a man - I would say to you - you are sponsoring a mental patient narrative of a bipolar manifestation...

...in case tyou are simply confused due to your zeal and lack of knowledge on the NT bible, I give you this:



Enjoy,

Scimi

format_quote Originally Posted by JacquelineDeane

Hi guys.

I don't know where to post this, but the Lord has been laying it on my heart for the past few days to tell people about Jesus. This burden is so strong that I have felt sick and very desperate to reach out to others and tell them about Jesus. I asked my Pastor if there were any ministries I could do through my church to serve God, but all he said to me was that if there was anything, he'd let me know. God has been driving me to serve Him so bad that I don't think I can wait much longer for an answer from my Pastor, I am desperate here and I don't think he understands just how urgent it is to witness to the lost. People are dying and going to Hell. That is no laughing matter.

So I am going to write a post and witness to the lost on here...

Dear person much loved by the Lord,

Jesus Christ came into the world to save sinners like you and me. Have you ever thought about what happens after you die? I have. It has brought me much anxiety thinking about it, because I know that this life does not last forever and one day, we all will die.

A lot of people today do not think about where they will spend eternity, and this thinking is a big mistake.

But what happens after death? The Bible is the only book that can tell us what happens to us after we die. God Himself wrote this great book; it is probably the most important book that was ever written.

Do you mind if I quote some Scriptures? Some people get offended when I quote the Bible, but I never do. Do you know why? Because I am a Christian and I believe that Jesus is my Saviour. The Bible says so. And with that being said, I will give you some Bible verses to help you and educate you.

So what happens after we die? The Bible teaches that man is a tripart being composed of spirit, soul, and a fleshly body. At death, our souls separate from our body and goes back to God to be judged by Him. God will judge everything we do in the body, whether good or bad.

But here is the bad news. You see, nobody is truly a good person. You see, only God is truly good.

Have you ever told a lie? Have you ever stolen anything? Have you ever hated anyone? If you have, then you have sinned. Killing others is also a sin, and yet you hear every day on the news that someone has murdered somebody else. Why? Because mankind are sinners and on their way to a burning Hell.

Rom 3:23 :
For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;

Now that you know that no one is good in God's eyes, how do we then become good? How do we become vindicated before God? The Bible teaches that we need to have Jesus' righteousness but the only way to do that is to come to Him by faith:

Rom 10:9
That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.

Rom 10:10
For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.

So you see that you need to believe in your heart that God raised up Jesus from the dead, and you also need to confess with your mouth that Jesus Christ is the Lord.

If you die without Christ, you will spend eternity in Hell. In our modern world today, people think that Hell is a place of never-ending parties and good times. They think that all of their friends will be there. But that is far from the truth. You would think that these people have never read the Bible, or that they have never taken it seriously.

The Bible teaches that Hell is a place of never-ending fire and torment, and my dear friend, that is not very much fun (this truth has scared a lot of people). It is a place of tears and no hope. It is darkness and loneliness. You won't be able to see anyone at all. It is eternal separation from God Himself. Since God is the Source of Joy and Happiness, that means that everything apart from Him is tears, sorrow, and no happiness. And that does not sound like very much fun at all, doesn't it?

So my dear friend, for your own eternal safety, I pray that you will accept Jesus Christ into your heart today, and make Him Lord over your life.

If you have done this, you need to find a Bible-believing church where you can grow in God's Word. And you also need to find out what God wants you to do with your life, so that you may serve Him.

Blessings,
Jacqueline

Just a question do you know why you follow the Bible? Like any proof that the Bible is from jesus (as) or that he existed and it's not a fairy tale?

Sister, im sorry to have to tell you you are mistaken as God clarified in the last revelation as to who Jesus [pbuh] exactly is; see: http://www.islamreligion.com/article...n-islam-part-1

Also I'm assuming you came here knowing nothing about Islam thinking that we are just disbelievers in god I would just like to not that Muslims worship the same god as the Jews and Christians and we believe in the Bible and Torah and we believe in jesus and all those profits we just believe the scriptures where changed and corrupted

format_quote Originally Posted by Bobbyflay23

Also I'm assuming you came here knowing nothing about Islam thinking that we are just disbelievers in god I would just like to not that Muslims worship the same god as the Jews and Christians and we believe in the Bible and Torah and we believe in jesus and all those profits we just believe the scriptures where changed and corrupted

We do not worship Jesus!!!!


The Christian gods aint no different to the Hindu gods - they are polytheist and I've seen Christians like her argue with each other while each claiming they have the holy ghost - it's just ridiculous!

Scimi

format_quote Originally Posted by Scimitar

We do not worship Jesus!!!!


The Christian gods aint no different to the Hindu gods - they are polytheist and I've seen Christians like her argue with each other while each claiming they have the holy ghost - it's just ridiculous!

Scimi

How problematic is that. Hindus are idol worshipers but Quran frequently calls christians as the people of book. Christians worship three Deities and one of them is Allah which disallows you to associate it with Hindu gods. You can not call christians polytheists from an Islamic sense although they can be regarded so from a secular theologic sense

format_quote Originally Posted by anatolian

How problematic is that. Hindus are idol worshipers but Quran frequently calls christians as the people of book. Christians worship three Deities and one of them is Allah which disallows you to associate it with Hindu gods. You can not call christians polytheists from an Islamic sense although they can be regarded so from a secular theologic sense

Brahma is the same as Allah in Hinduism - yet the hindu's anthropomorphised the asma was sifaat/husna of Allah and thus - shirk akbar! There is no difference!

Go learn it!

Scimi

format_quote Originally Posted by JacquelineDeane

Hi guys.

I don't know where to post this, but the Lord has been laying it on my heart for the past few days to tell people about Jesus.

format_quote Originally Posted by JacquelineDeane

So my dear friend, for your own eternal safety, I pray that you will accept Jesus Christ into your heart today, and make Him Lord over your life.

If you have done this, you need to find a Bible-believing church where you can grow in God's Word. And you also need to find out what God wants you to do with your life, so that you may serve Him.

Blessings,
Jacqueline

Well, telling you the truth, this whole forum was wrong place to post it.

format_quote Originally Posted by Scimitar

Brahma is the same as Allah in Hinduism - yet the hindu's anthropomorphised the asma was sifaat/husna of Allah and thus - shirk akbar! There is no difference!

Go learn it!

Scimi

I already knew what you wrote. But still Quran says what it says. Christians are the people of book but Hindus are not. The anthropomorphisation of Allah in Christians is on the art level. They dont worship the images of Allah though they have this son of God/incarnation of God disblief and Quran mentions that. However Hindus literally worship the images of Brahma/idols and this makes them idolater/muhrik. No where in Quran christians are called mushrik.

So we better speak with the terminalogy of Quran rather than our owns for serious kufr/imaan issues

format_quote Originally Posted by JacquelineDeane

Hi guys.

I don't know where to post this, but the Lord has been laying it on my heart for the past few days to tell people about Jesus. This burden is so strong that I have felt sick and very desperate to reach out to others and tell them about Jesus. I asked my Pastor if there were any ministries I could do through my church to serve God, but all he said to me was that if there was anything, he'd let me know. God has been driving me to serve Him so bad that I don't think I can wait much longer for an answer from my Pastor, I am desperate here and I don't think he understands just how urgent it is to witness to the lost. People are dying and going to Hell. That is no laughing matter.

So I am going to write a post and witness to the lost on here...

Very kind of you.

format_quote Originally Posted by JacquelineDeane

Dear person much loved by the Lord,

If by "Lord" you mean "rabbi", that is to say " my master", "guardian", "protector", know that things have changed a little, God's final messenger has clarified to us that the word "rabb" is now exclusively used for the creator of the heavens and the earth.

We are to use words such as "teacher" in order to be unambiguous and clear when referring to humans.

format_quote Originally Posted by JacquelineDeane

Jesus Christ came into the world to save sinners like you and me. Have you ever thought about what happens after you die? I have. It has brought me much anxiety thinking about it, because I know that this life does not last forever and one day, we all will die.

It is true, the priority of some prophets is to lay down the foundations of the law of God and the priority of some is to repair the broken, and also to install it as living in the hearts instead of in the books alone, to pull people back from the brink of destruction, and to heal the heardened or diseased heart from arrogance and or hypocrisy. The task of Jesus is not to bring a new law from God, but to bring people into the already founded laws and guidance- happened last time amongst the children of Israel with the law given to Moses, and happens now on a global scale with the final law to mankind given through Muhammad (may the peace and blessings of Allah be upon him).

format_quote Originally Posted by JacquelineDeane

A lot of people today do not think about where they will spend eternity, and this thinking is a big mistake.

It is important to think about eternity and to rectify our lives in God's sight so as to live good in this world, and be rewarded with good instead of punishment in eternity.

format_quote Originally Posted by JacquelineDeane

But what happens after death?

After death we are going to be raised to life again after the blowing on a trumpet the second time (after the blowing of the Final Moment on earth that is) by the angel tasked with the duty, his name I believe is Israafeel (raphael), we will then be gathered before God in order to be judged and sorted and put in our places.

48. Further, they say, "When will this promise (come to pass), if what ye say is true?"
49. They will not (have to) wait for aught but a single Blast: it will seize them while they are yet disputing among themselves!
50. No (chance) will they then have, by will, to dispose (of their affairs), nor to return to their own people!
51. The trumpet shall be sounded, when behold! from the sepulchres (men) will rush forth to their Lord!
52. They will say: "Ah! Woe unto us! Who hath raised us up from our beds of repose?"... (A voice will say "This is what ((Allah)) Most Gracious had promised. And the Messengers confirmed the truth!"
53. It will be no more than a single Blast, when lo! they will all be brought up before Us!
54. Then, on that Day, not a soul will be wronged in the least, and ye shall but be repaid the meeds of your past Deeds.
55. Verily the Companions of the Garden shall that Day have joy in all that they do;
56. They and their associates will be in groves of (cool) shade, reclining on Thrones (of dignity);
57. (Every) fruit (enjoyment) will be there for them; they shall have whatever they call for;
58. "Peace!" - a word (of salutation) from a Lord Most Merciful!
59. "And O ye in sin! Get ye apart this Day!
60. "Did I not enjoin on you, O ye Children of Adam, that ye should not worship Satan; for that he was to you an enemy avowed?-
61. "And that ye should worship Me, (for that) this was the Straight Way?
62. "But he did lead astray a great multitude of you. Did ye not, then, understand?
63. "This is the Hell of which ye were (repeatedly) warned!
64. "Embrace ye the (fire) this Day, for that ye (persistently) rejected (Truth)."
65. That Day shall We set a seal on their mouths. But their hands will speak to us, and their feet bear witness, to all that they did.
66. If it had been our Will, We could surely have blotted out their eyes; then should they have run about groping for the Path, but how could they have seen?
67. And if it had been Our Will, We could have transformed them (to remain) in their places; then should they have been unable to move about, nor could they have returned (after error).
68. If We grant long life to any, We cause him to be reversed in nature: Will they not then understand?
69. We have not instructed the (Prophet) in Poetry, nor is it meet for him: this is no less than a Message and a Qur'an making things clear:
70. That it may give admonition to any (who are) alive, and that the charge may be proved against those who reject (Truth).
From Quran, Chapter 36

format_quote Originally Posted by JacquelineDeane

The Bible is the only book that can tell us what happens to us after we die.

Please refrain from lying to people in order to lead them to hell. God's word isn't a hustle and it is not wise to lay ownership to it as if it is one's own private property and then get jealous when He reveals the truth which He promised to reveal. Such behaviour indicates arrogance, unjust selfishness, and narrow mindedness in a person.

بِئْسَمَا اشْتَرَوْاْ بِهِ أَنفُسَهُمْ أَن يَكْفُرُواْ بِمَا أنَزَلَ اللّهُ بَغْياً أَن يُنَزِّلُ اللّهُ مِن فَضْلِهِ عَلَى مَن يَشَاء مِنْ عِبَادِهِ فَبَآؤُواْ بِغَضَبٍ عَلَى غَضَبٍ وَلِلْكَافِرِينَ عَذَابٌ مُّهِينٌ {90
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How bad is that for which they have sold their ownselves, that they should ungratefully reject that which Allah has revealed (the Qur'an), grudging that Allah should reveal of His Grace unto whom He will of His slaves.
So they have drawn on themselves wrath upon wrath. And for the ungrateful rejecters (of Allah and the truth and just way which He revealed), there is disgracing torment.

format_quote Originally Posted by JacquelineDeane

God Himself wrote this great book;

I certainly believe that God wrote upon the tablets which He gave to Moses at the Mount - God knows best how He wrote it though, whether He literally wrote with hands or commanded the pen to write by His will - God knows best.

Please bear in mind though that there is more in the current bible than there was in the tablets, and that some of it is qritten by Prophets, and some by the hands of men who added footnotes and notes in the margins, and some by malicious scribes who were usually in the employ of the corrupt priests working under corrupt kings.

format_quote Originally Posted by JacquelineDeane

it is probably the most important book that was ever written.

It is indeed amongst the most important books ever written, but seeing as the final revelation and edict is the Quran, the Quran must be given priority in terms of law derivation.


I'll be back after prayer - God willing.

format_quote Originally Posted by JacquelineDeane

Do you mind if I quote some Scriptures? Some people get offended when I quote the Bible, but I never do.

Saheeh Bukhari
Volume 4, Book 56, Number 667
Narrated 'Abdullah bin 'Amr:
The Prophet said, "Convey (my teachings) to the people even if it were a single sentence, and tell others the stories of Bani Israel (which have been taught to you), for it is not sinful to do so. And whoever tells a lie on me intentionally, will surely take his place in the (Hell) Fire."

Sunan Abu Dawud
Book 25, Number 3654
Narrated AbuHurayrah:
The Prophet (peace_be_upon_him) said: relate traditions from the children of Isra'il; there is no harm.

Book 25, Number 3655
Narrated Abdullah ibn Amr ibn al-'As:
The Prophet (peace_be_upon_him) used to relate to us traditions from the children of Isra'il till morning came; he would not get up except for obligatory prayer.

And it is said: "there is no harm" means that it should not bother you when you hear strange stories about them (Bani Israel), since many of these events have occurred to them.
Relate traditions from the children of Isra'il; there is no harm., firstly "Relate" indicates that it is compulsory, then he pointed out that it is not compulsory but permissible when he said "there is no harm", meaning no harm in not relating their traditions.
And it is said that it means relating traditions about them found in the Qur'an and authentic hadith.
And Imam Shafi said: It is known that the Prophet (peace be upon him) did not permit speaking lies when he said "relate traditions from the children of Israel", thus it is meant that you relate traditions that you know not to be lies and whatever you find to be compliant with your beliefs (the truth) then there is no harm narrating those traditions from them. This is in obedience to the Prophet's statement "Do not believe the people of the Scripture or disbelieve them." He did not recommend nor prohibit relating those traditions that are known to not be lies. (Ibn Hajar Al Asqalani, Fathul Bari, Kitab: Ahaadeeth Al 'Anbiyaa', Bab: Ma Thakr 'an Bani Israel, Commentary on Hadith no. 3202,

Source: http://www.call-to-monotheism.com/do...authoritative_

format_quote Originally Posted by JacquelineDeane

Do you know why? Because I am a Christian and I believe that Jesus is my Saviour. The Bible says so.

Be informed that the requirement is not to just join a sect and take sides based on brand names and team spirit, but the requirement is to accept truth and sincere justice, to submit to God as the ultimate authority having no partners, and to strive to please God with all of one's being - including hand, tongue, heart, and (mind).

فَأَقِمْ وَجْهَكَ لِلدِّينِ حَنِيفًا فِطْرَةَ اللَّهِ الَّتِي فَطَرَ النَّاسَ عَلَيْهَا لَا تَبْدِيلَ لِخَلْقِ اللَّهِ ذَلِكَ الدِّينُ الْقَيِّمُ وَلَكِنَّ أَكْثَرَ النَّاسِ لَا يَعْلَمُونَ {30

So set your face steadily and truly to the Faith (way of life): (establish) Allah's origination according to the pattern on which He has originated mankind: there is no change in that which is wrought by Allah: that is the standard and upright Religion: but most among mankind know not.

مُنِيبِينَ إِلَيْهِ وَاتَّقُوهُ وَأَقِيمُوا الصَّلَاةَ وَلَا تَكُونُوا مِنَ الْمُشْرِكِينَ {31
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(Always) Turning in repentance to Him, and be afraid and dutiful to Him; and establish prayer (Iqamat-as-Salat) and be not of Al-Mushrikun (the disbelievers in the Oneness of Allah, polytheists, idolaters, etc.).

مِنَ الَّذِينَ فَرَّقُوا دِينَهُمْ وَكَانُوا شِيَعًا كُلُّ حِزْبٍ بِمَا لَدَيْهِمْ فَرِحُونَ {32

Of those who split up their Religion, and become (mere) Sects,- each party rejoicing in that which is with themselves.



We are told throughout the bible and the Quran that God is the ultimate saviour and that the prophets were sent to save people from destruction by God's leave, by bringing people the guidance from God. Jesus is one saviour of many, who guided to God's just ways and to God's good pleasure via the guidance he received and by adhering to the law of God revealed to Moses - although he was allowed to make some revisions and clarifications in terms of strict laws over which there was dispute.



وَلَمَّا جَاء عِيسَى بِالْبَيِّنَاتِ قَالَ قَدْ جِئْتُكُم بِالْحِكْمَةِ وَلِأُبَيِّنَ لَكُم بَعْضَ الَّذِي تَخْتَلِفُونَ فِيهِ فَاتَّقُوا اللَّهَ وَأَطِيعُونِ {63
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And when 'Iesa (Jesus) came with (Our) clear Proofs, he said: "I have come to you with Al- Hikmah (wisdom), and in order to make clear to you some of the (points) in which you differ, therefore fear Allah and obey me,

إِنَّ اللَّهَ هُوَ رَبِّي وَرَبُّكُمْ فَاعْبُدُوهُ هَذَا صِرَاطٌ مُّسْتَقِيمٌ {64

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"Indeed Allah, He is my Lord (rabbi) and your Lord (rabbakum): so worship, obey, and serve Him: this is a Straight Way."

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16Jesus said to her, “Mary.”

She turned toward him and cried out in Aramaic, “Rabboni!” (which means “Teacher”).

17Jesus said, “Do not hold on to me, for I have not yet ascended to the Father. Go instead to my brothers and tell them,
‘I am ascending to my Father and your Father, to my God and your God.’ ”

18Mary Magdalene went to the disciples with the news: “I have seen the Lord!” And she told them that he had said these things to her.

From John 20, kjv

I'll be back after completion of the fast and prayer - God willing.

format_quote Originally Posted by JacquelineDeane

And with that being said, I will give you some Bible verses to help you and educate you.

If that is your real intention, then I am attentive, please accept that I will be critical - though - with sincerity and the seeking of truth in mind.

format_quote Originally Posted by JacquelineDeane

So what happens after we die? The Bible teaches that man is a tripart being composed of spirit, soul, and a fleshly body. At death, our souls separate from our body and goes back to God to be judged by Him.

Although the difference and blending of the nafs (soul/self/mind?) Ruh (spirit?) Jasad/lahm (carnal body/flesh) Is not entirely clear to humankind, a part of your statement is alluded to here:
اللَّهُ يَتَوَفَّى الْأَنفُسَ حِينَ مَوْتِهَا وَالَّتِي لَمْ تَمُتْ فِي مَنَامِهَا فَيُمْسِكُ الَّتِي قَضَى عَلَيْهَا الْمَوْتَ وَيُرْسِلُ الْأُخْرَى إِلَى أَجَلٍ مُسَمًّى إِنَّ فِي ذَلِكَ لَآيَاتٍ لِّقَوْمٍ يَتَفَكَّرُونَ {42
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It is Allah Who completely takes the souls at the time of their death, and those that die not during their sleep. He keeps/retains those (souls) for which He has ordained death and sends the others for a term appointed. Verily, in this are signs for a people who think/ponder deeply.

How exactly He does that, and what difference is it to the spirit, God knows - not me.

وَيَسْأَلُونَكَ عَنِ الرُّوحِ قُلِ الرُّوحُ مِنْ أَمْرِ رَبِّي وَمَا أُوتِيتُم مِّن الْعِلْمِ إِلاَّ قَلِيلاً {85
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And they ask you (O Muhammad SAW) concerning the Ruh (the Spirit); Say: "The Ruh (the Spirit): it is from the command of my Lord (rabbi), And you (mankind) have been given, of knowledge only a little."


يَا أَهْلَ الْكِتَابِ لاَ تَغْلُواْ فِي دِينِكُمْ وَلاَ تَقُولُواْ عَلَى اللّهِ إِلاَّ الْحَقِّ إِنَّمَا الْمَسِيحُ عِيسَى ابْنُ مَرْيَمَ رَسُولُ اللّهِ وَكَلِمَتُهُ أَلْقَاهَا إِلَى مَرْيَمَ وَرُوحٌ مِّنْهُ فَآمِنُواْ بِاللّهِ وَرُسُلِهِ وَلاَ تَقُولُواْ ثَلاَثَةٌ انتَهُواْ خَيْرًا لَّكُمْ إِنَّمَا اللّهُ إِلَـهٌ وَاحِدٌ سُبْحَانَهُ أَن يَكُونَ لَهُ وَلَدٌ لَّهُ مَا فِي السَّمَاوَات وَمَا فِي الأَرْضِ وَكَفَى بِاللّهِ وَكِيلاً {17

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O People of the Book! Commit no excesses in your religion: Nor say of Allah aught but the truth. Christ Jesus the son of Mary was (no more than) a messenger of Allah, and His Word, which He bestowed on Mary, and a spirit proceeding from Him: so believe in Allah and His messengers. Say not "Trinity": desist: it will be better for you: for Allah is one Allah: Glory be to Him: (far exalted is He) above having a son. To Him belong all things in the heavens and on earth. And enough is Allah as a Disposer of affairs.

format_quote Originally Posted by JacquelineDeane

God will judge everything we do in the body, whether good or bad.

God shall jusge everything we did in the body, after raising us in bodies again. Thia fact is confirmed in surah Al Qiyaamah (the ressurection/standing/rising)

أَيَحْسَبُ الْإِنسَانُ أَلَّن نَجْمَعَ عِظَامَهُ {3
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Does man think that We shall not assemble his bones?

بَلَى قَادِرِينَ عَلَى أَن نُّسَوِّيَ بَنَانَهُ {4
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Yes, We are Able to put together in perfect order the tips of his fingers.

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format_quote Originally Posted by JacquelineDeane

But here is the bad news. You see, nobody is truly a good person. You see, only God is truly good.

That's not necessarily bad news, nobody is perfect in goodness, not even Jesus only God is truly perfect in goodness, however, our intentions, effort, sincerity, and actions will be taken into account along with our unique circumstances, and after God excercises discretion, He will show grace to those whom He justly sees it fitting to receive grace - since deeds alone cannot save a person and weights vary too even for the same deed.

format_quote Originally Posted by JacquelineDeane

Have you ever told a lie? Have you ever stolen anything? Have you ever hated anyone? If you have, then you have sinned.

If you had a right to ask those detailed questions I would answer you in detail by God's will.
I have commited many deeds which could be considered as wrong and could be considered as good although context is required in order to judge properly- and I turn (repent) to God for the wrong actions and seek to walk aright and do what is just as a way to receive grace and heal, and make a better and more just world.

format_quote Originally Posted by JacquelineDeane

Killing others is also a sin,

Killing unjustly is a sin, please refrain from lying against God.

format_quote Originally Posted by JacquelineDeane

and yet you hear every day on the news that someone has murdered somebody else.

Again, there is a huge difference between "murdering" (martyring), killing unjustly, manslaughter, and just punishment. Maybe actually read the bible and the quran instead of conjecturing because when it becomes obvious that a person is trolling, respect begins to diminish.

format_quote Originally Posted by JacquelineDeane

Why? Because mankind are sinners and on their way to a burning Hell.

Not every deed is the same, and not every person is the same. Who shall and who shall not go to paradise or hell will be judged by God. We humans can only judge according to the best of our limited abilities on earth, and we should judge justly, when seeking what is just, we must judge by what God commands and what pleases God - since there is no other method of reaching justice or consensus.

format_quote Originally Posted by JacquelineDeane

Rom 3:23 :
For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;

By how much each person comes short, is remorseful, sincerely repents (turns to God), and seeks to establish justice is a determining factor in their final outcome.


I'll be back to pick through this thornfield - God willing.
In the meantime....consider that there's a difference between ignorant, racist, malicious fake believers who seek unnecessary fitnah and discord, and true believers who seek to unite upon truth.

These crossworshipping, racist, ignorant, pagan, haters go into an area to provoke a reaction and make people feel bullied - apparently because they're dismayed and fuming at the fact that Muslims have advanced and are running an area well - judging from the fact that they chose a non-white area. I wonder what they would have done if it were an area full of white skinned Muslims.

Lots of swearing ...



And this guy only realises that they're not Muslims after 8 minutes 20 seconds, then carries on trying to provoke them anyway - again at 11min:30s and 13m:45s




And this guy wakes up and explains:

format_quote Originally Posted by JacquelineDeane

Now that you know that no one is good in God's eyes, how do we then become good? How do we become vindicated before God? The Bible teaches that we need to have Jesus' righteousness but the only way to do that is to come to Him by faith:

Rom 10:9
That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.

Rom 10:10
For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.

So you see that you need to believe in your heart that God raised up Jesus from the dead, and you also need to confess with your mouth that Jesus Christ is the Lord.

If you die without Christ, you will spend eternity in Hell. In our modern world today, people think that Hell is a place of never-ending parties and good times. They think that all of their friends will be there. But that is far from the truth. You would think that these people have never read the Bible, or that they have never taken it seriously.

The Bible teaches that Hell is a place of never-ending fire and torment, and my dear friend, that is not very much fun (this truth has scared a lot of people). It is a place of tears and no hope. It is darkness and loneliness. You won't be able to see anyone at all. It is eternal separation from God Himself. Since God is the Source of Joy and Happiness, that means that everything apart from Him is tears, sorrow, and no happiness. And that does not sound like very much fun at all, doesn't it?

So my dear friend, for your own eternal safety, I pray that you will accept Jesus Christ into your heart today, and make Him Lord over your life.

If you have done this, you need to find a Bible-believing church where you can grow in God's Word. And you also need to find out what God wants you to do with your life, so that you may serve Him.

Blessings,
Jacqueline

Welcome to the forum Jacqueline...

From what I gather, it is the teachings of Paul that is followed. Not Jesus. Jesus was circumcised, most Christians are not. Jesus prayed by putting his head to the ground, Christian do not. Jesus fasted in lent, where has that practice gone? Jesus ate kosher food are amongst the things that reflected the similarities with the muslims today and vastly different from the Christians of today.

I see that the Christians have moved so far away from Jesus' teachings that the easiest way to overcome the problem is to believe that he died for your sins. The muslims on the other hand, believe that we get what we sow. Seeing as we humans are weak, we have a Most Forgiving God in Allah. So, we seek His Forgiveness and we have to seek it sincerely and not assume that someone else will take the sins for us.

We have a hand in our destiny. That hand is our choice(s).

At my last job the priest came to keep the prayers with the patients and few times I listened them partly (I usually went to other hospital department so I didn´t have to listen them at all). As I remember, the priest talked all the time about Jesus and mostly didn´t even mention the God at all. Someone who hasn´t any clue about Christianity could easily get an image that Christians believe Jesus, not to the God.

format_quote Originally Posted by tolpuddle

Jesus's sacrificial death doesn't remove our individual need to repent. But Jesus's death makes it possible for us to BE forgiven; He has paid the penalty of our sins, thus reconciling God's justice (righteousness) with His mercy and forgiveness.

Jesus didn't state that His followers should pray or eat in accordance with Jewish customs.

You are quite right in saying that Lent should be much better observed by Christians as a period of fasting, self-denial and alms-giving.

You see, therein lies the heart of the matter... your comment that "Jesus didn't state that his followers should ........". Jesus (pbuh) never intended to have followers. He had a specific task at hand as explained in Matthew 15:24 :He said 'I was sent only to the lost sheep of Israel'. When the woman argued Jesus (pbuh) further said, 'It is not right to take the children's food and toss it to the dogs' (Matthew 15:26) meaning to say that the message was meant for those classified as the lost sheep of israel.
To whom (the lost sheep of israel) he said "Do not think that I have come to abolish the law or the prophets" (Matthew 5:17) implies that the laws prevail and should be adhered to. The continuation of the verse concludes the same too!

To carry on, Jesus (pbuh) also foretold the arrival of prophet Muhammad (pbuh) in John 16:12 - "I have much to tell you but you cannot yet bear to hear it. But when the spirit of truth comes, he will guide you all into the truth for he will not speak on his own authority, but whatever he hears he will speak and he will declare to you the things that are to come"

By looking at all the books and its essence, I have come to realise that each one had its own distinct message. A learning process, so to speak to aid human growth as they passed through the generations. The Israelites were selected almost, as you like the, to be the priestly nation. Trained from generation to generation to understand thoroughly before they themselves can spread the message when it was ready.

The Psalms in essence taught them what is known as tauheed in islam. Developing a relationship with Allah. The Torah added human dynamics in essence, to do unto others what we expect others to do unto you. So an eye for an eye is the threat. This lead to excuse for revenge. Then came the Gospels and a further development came in the form of turning the other cheek, forgiveness. Therein achieving a higher moral state. With the concept of forgiveness embraced, it was possible for the arrival of the final message. In essence, it is about living in a community, the Quran. It affirmed the previous Books and put the story straight for all of them.

So, if the Quran is as what I say it is, law for the community, how can I prove it?

In any community, who are the weakest? Orphans and widows.

In islam, orphans and widows and travellers and neighbours and family (first) and those in need are a must help. Muslim male are entitled up to 4 wives and it really is for that purpose, to help and to take responsibility of the welfare of the unfortunate. If the society is one that has a relationship with Allah, and has the decent communial sense, forgiving and with no orphanage or widows, it becomes a very strong community.

The ideal works. It is humans that make it difficult.

Unfortunately, the lost tribe remained lost to the message. The laws of the Supreme Lord should have been the laws of the world today, but they have instead introduced their own laws for this world. Laws that would enslave all humans.

Think about it.

format_quote Originally Posted by sister herb

At my last job the priest came to keep the prayers with the patients and few times I listened them partly (I usually went to other hospital department so I didn´t have to listen them at all). As I remember, the priest talked all the time about Jesus and mostly didn´t even mention the God at all. Someone who hasn´t any clue about Christianity could easily get an image that Christians believe Jesus, not to the God.

If a person really followed Jesus with a thinking brain and had sincerity and humility, they would submit to God and without doubt recognise and accept Muhammad as the final Messenger of God to mankind - whom they were awaiting.
I recall a government paid social worker telling me that he was Christian, but that he didn't believe in God. Who was mad? Me or him?