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    So I recently started reading the Bible.
    Is this encouraged in Islam?
    And are there any tips or advice anyone can give me to help protect me from untruths?

    Also i am of the mind the Bible is incomplete and corrupted, the council of Nicea for example complied the book a long after the time of Jesus, and written by those that persecuted the original Christians..Is there any Islamic reference to this council of Nicea?
    The Quran says the Bible is incomplete and corrupt, what examples and proofs are there of this claim in Islam?

    Many thanks in advance..

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    Re: Reading the Bible.

    Quote Originally Posted by beleiver View Post
    So I recently started reading the Bible.
    Is this encouraged in Islam?
    And are there any tips or advice anyone can give me to help protect me from untruths?

    Also i am of the mind the Bible is incomplete and corrupted, the council of Nicea for example complied the book a long after the time of Jesus, and written by those that persecuted the original Christians..Is there any Islamic reference to this council of Nicea?
    The Quran says the Bible is incomplete and corrupt, what examples and proofs are there of this claim in Islam?

    Many thanks in advance..
    Firstly its not allowed for people to read bible etc except scholars
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    قال النبي محمد صلى الله عليه وآله وسلم:*الـحياءُ شُعْبَةٌ مِنَ الاِيِمَانِ*
    و قال ايضا:*الحياء لاياتى الا بخير
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    Wow..I am Truly shocked to hear this..Where does this rule originate?
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    If you are of mind that the Bible is corrupt and incomplete then why bother wasting time reading it? It is obvious that it has been tampered with. You have the Catholic Bible which has 73 chapters in it compared to the Protestant Bible which has 66. Then you have Protestant Bibles that have taken out Mark chapters 9-20 altogether. Or have taken the word "begotten" out of John 3:16 since it wasn't in the original manuscripts. That alone should suffice that it has been tampered with. The miracle is that the Prophet s.a.a.w. was given revelation about it before the Bible scholars discovered these most ancient manuscripts that showed these fabrications over a thousand years later.
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    Re: Reading the Bible.

    Quote Originally Posted by beleiver View Post
    So I recently started reading the Bible.
    Is this encouraged in Islam?
    And are there any tips or advice anyone can give me to help protect me from untruths?

    Also i am of the mind the Bible is incomplete and corrupted, the council of Nicea for example complied the book a long after the time of Jesus, and written by those that persecuted the original Christians..Is there any Islamic reference to this council of Nicea?
    The Quran says the Bible is incomplete and corrupt, what examples and proofs are there of this claim in Islam?

    Many thanks in advance..
    You do not need a claim in Islam to understand the Bible is corrupt...just think about it.
    You have multiple versions of the Bible (I believe around 30 different versions).
    Every version is available in different languages.
    So how can something exist in so many different versions and languages and be claimed that every one of them contains the truth, nothing is added to it or left out and that there are no messages lost in translation?
    We all know that with translation alone, you introduce error.

    viewpoint from Islam:
    Jesus was a prophet, not a god. so the people who wrote the Bible were only people (not even prophets) so, the conclusion is, the Bible is human made and therefore not free from errors.

    It is a little comparable with our hadeeth. It may contain truth, but there may be some errors here and there.

    Only the Gospels in original form and text contains the truth because that is directly dictated from God to Jesus as.
    The Quran mentioning the Indjeel refers to the Gospels (of course in original form and language).

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    Quote Originally Posted by beleiver View Post
    So I recently started reading the Bible.
    Is this encouraged in Islam?
    And are there any tips or advice anyone can give me to help protect me from untruths?

    Also i am of the mind the Bible is incomplete and corrupted, the council of Nicea for example complied the book a long after the time of Jesus, and written by those that persecuted the original Christians..Is there any Islamic reference to this council of Nicea?
    The Quran says the Bible is incomplete and corrupt, what examples and proofs are there of this claim in Islam?

    Many thanks in advance..
    You do not need a claim in Islam to understand the Bible is corrupt...just think about it.
    You have multiple versions of the Bible (I believe around 30 different versions).
    Every version is available in different languages.
    So how can something exist in so many different versions and languages and be claimed that every one of them contains the truth, nothing is added to it or left out and that there are no messages lost in translation?
    We all know that with translation alone, you introduce error.

    viewpoint from Islam:
    Jesus was a prophet, not a god. so the people who wrote the Bible were only people (not even prophets) so, the conclusion is, the Bible is human made and therefore not free from errors.

    It is a little comparable with our hadeeth. It may contain truth, but there may be some errors here and there.

    Only the Gospels in original form and text contains the truth because that is directly dictated from God to Jesus as.
    The Quran mentioning the Indjeel refers to the Gospels (of course in original form and language).
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    I have little doubt the book has been tampered with, but there remains some Truth within it i do not doubt either..As a Truth seeker i am curious, I beleive it would help expand my understanding of the world and the people within it, which must be a good thing, and i dont think there is a more comprehensive history of this planet availabe to read..

    One reason i beleive there is some Truth left in it is the church made it virtually impossible to read it, illegal to translate it, they murdered many a good Christian for doing so..There must be some truth within.
    I am deeply disturbed there is a ruling in Islam that prohibits mere pesants from reading it also, the source of this ruling would be welcome..

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    Re: Reading the Bible.

    I personally never heard about this ruling that muslims are not allowed to read the Bible.
    I also would be interested where this rule is coming from

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    Quote Originally Posted by umie View Post
    I personally never heard about this ruling that muslims are not allowed to read the Bible.
    I also would be interested where this rule is coming from
    Frome here
    An-Nasaa’i and others narrated from the Prophet (blessings and peace of Allah be upon him) that he saw a page of the Torah in the hand of ‘Umar ibn al-Khattaab (may Allah be pleased with him). He said: “If Moosa were alive, and you were to follow him and leave me, you would go astray.” According to another report: “… he would have no option but to follow me.” According to another version: The face of the Prophet (blessings and peace of Allah be upon him) changed when ‘Umar showed that to him, and one of the Ansaar said to him: O son of al-Khattaab, do you not see the face of the Messenger of Allah (blessings and peace of Allah be upon him)? ‘Umar said: I am content with Allah as my Lord, Islam is my religion, and Muhammad as my Prophet.-

    Hence the Sahaabah forbade the study of any book other than the Qur’an.

    End quote from-Majmoo‘ al-Fataawa-(17/41-42)-
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    قال النبي محمد صلى الله عليه وآله وسلم:*الـحياءُ شُعْبَةٌ مِنَ الاِيِمَانِ*
    و قال ايضا:*الحياء لاياتى الا بخير
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    Wow..I am Truly shocked to hear this..Where does this rule originate?
    An-Nasaa’i and others narrated from the Prophet (blessings and peace of Allah be upon him) that he saw a page of the Torah in the hand of ‘Umar ibn al-Khattaab (may Allah be pleased with him). He said: “If Moosa were alive, and you were to follow him and leave me, you would go astray.” According to another report: “… he would have no option but to follow me.” According to another version: The face of the Prophet (blessings and peace of Allah be upon him) changed when ‘Umar showed that to him, and one of the Ansaar said to him: O son of al-Khattaab, do you not see the face of the Messenger of Allah (blessings and peace of Allah be upon him)? ‘Umar said: I am content with Allah as my Lord, Islam is my religion, and Muhammad as my Prophet.-

    Hence the Sahaabah forbade the study of any book other than the Qur’an.

    End quote from-Majmoo‘ al-Fataawa-(17/41-42)-
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    قال النبي محمد صلى الله عليه وآله وسلم:*الـحياءُ شُعْبَةٌ مِنَ الاِيِمَانِ*
    و قال ايضا:*الحياء لاياتى الا بخير
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    Quote Originally Posted by beleiver View Post
    I have little doubt the book has been tampered with, but there remains some Truth within it i do not doubt either..As a Truth seeker i am curious, I beleive it would help expand my understanding of the world and the people within it, which must be a good thing, and i dont think there is a more comprehensive history of this planet availabe to read..

    One reason i beleive there is some Truth left in it is the church made it virtually impossible to read it, illegal to translate it, they murdered many a good Christian for doing so..There must be some truth within.
    I am deeply disturbed there is a ruling in Islam that prohibits mere pesants from reading it also, the source of this ruling would be welcome..
    https://islamqa.info/en/209007
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    Quote Originally Posted by beleiver View Post
    So I recently started reading the Bible.
    Is this encouraged in Islam?
    And are there any tips or advice anyone can give me to help protect me from untruths?

    Also i am of the mind the Bible is incomplete and corrupted, the council of Nicea for example complied the book a long after the time of Jesus, and written by those that persecuted the original Christians..Is there any Islamic reference to this council of Nicea?
    The Quran says the Bible is incomplete and corrupt, what examples and proofs are there of this claim in Islam?

    Many thanks in advance..
    Sayyiduna Jabir (radiyallahu’anhu) reports that once Sayyiduna ‘Umar (radiyallahu’anhu) brought a book to Rasulullah (sallallahu’alayhi wasallam) which he acquired from the people of the book (the jews) and said: ‘O Rasulullah! I have a good book from the people of the book.’

    Rasulullah (sallallahu’alayhi wasallam) became angry and said:
    ‘Are you being reckless O son of Khattab?! By the oath of Allah! I have brought it (religion) to you in a state that is bright and clear. It shouldn’t be that you end up denying the truth they tell or you believe the falsehood that they tell. By oath of Allah! If [Nabi] Musa (‘alayhis salam) was alive today, he would have no other option but to follow me.’


    Musannaf Abdur Razzaq, Hadith: 10163 and 10164, Musannaf ibn Abi Shaybah, Hadith: 26949, Musnad Ahmad vol. 3 pg. 387, Sunan Darimi, Hadith: 435, Musnad Bazzar; Kashful Astar, Hadith: 124, Shu’abul Iman, Hadith: 174 & Gharibul Hadith of Abu ‘Ubayd.
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    Asalamu Alaikum

    You can only read it if you desire to refute it.

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    Jedi Doctrine

    The Jedi church has no official doctrine or scripture. The Jedi church recognizes that all living things share a living force and that all people have an innate knowledge of what is right and wrong, and the Jedi Church celebrates this like no other religion.
    Basic concepts of the Jedi faith that we at the Jedi Church would like to promote are the following:

    The Basic Concepts

    There is one all powerful force that binds the entire universe together. It is "an energy field created by all living things. It surrounds us, penetrates us, and binds the galaxy together". This is a concept that most religions of the world concur with. Some refer to it as their deity, some refer to it as a life force, but the one thing nearly all religions agree with, is that there exists a single unifying force.
    There are 2 sides to the force, the dark side and the light side. "Beware of the dark side... The dark side leads to fear. Fear leads to hate. Hate leads to suffering". Good versus Evil is a common element through most religions. The issues of good versus evil, right versus wrong permeate through the doctrines of all religions. Most religions attempt to state what is right and wrong, to establish their moral code. Sometimes religions make codes that don't reach a great consensus. Outsiders, and sometime insiders, begin to judge their religious code by something more powerful, something more innate, an innate ability to know what is right and wrong. This is the Jedi's belief, that morality, good and evil, are all axioms of the force, and that we must listen to the force so that we will know the right thing to do.
    https://www.jedichurch.org/jedi-doctrine.html

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    ^^In other words, a nerd-made misguided ideology getting their name from Star Wars.^^
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    Re: Reading the Bible.

    Assalamu Alaikum

    It's more important to study Islam, maybe even keep up with the people of dawah to learn about what is contradictory. Basically, learn from the people who already did the work of finding out what you're inquiring about. There are tables of comparisons, refutations, conversion stories, which I think would be a lot more interesting and fruitful.

    The Book of Genesis was assigned to us in high school for English class. I found it to belittle Allah subhanahu wa ta'ala in regards to the content. He was written about as if he were a human being with temperament and vulnerability au'dhu billah. And well, I guess that is how he's viewed since Christians believe we were made in "God's image." So right away you see where Islam and Christianity part ways. There are other little details that didn't make sense or weren't logical in general. The text itself was very monotonous so it was a bit dull to read, but it was an easy read. That being said, it was interesting because it was the first religious text I read outside of Islamic texts. I don't think you'd be missing much if you didn't read it to be honest. I can understand if you have a curiosity about it, but it really depends on what your end goal is and how you're allocating your time. Judging by your initial inquiry though, I personally believe you'd be wasting your time since you don't know enough about your own deen to know why the Bible would be considered corrupt in Islam to begin with. In Islam it is highlighted very clearly why the other texts are considered corrupt. You should be well rooted with the truth before trying to make comparisons because otherwise what are you really comparing or trying to refute if you don't have a strong foundation to begin with? The discrepancies would just fire out at you if you did; you wouldn't need to ask or need to be "protected from untruths."
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    https://www.biblegateway.com/passage...17&version=NIV

    Genesis 17 NIV - The Covenant of Circumcision - When - Bible Gateway
    The Covenant of Circumcision - When Abram was ninety-nine years old, the LORD appeared to him and said, “I am God Almighty; walk before me faithfully...

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    First of i want to thank you all for your responses, given me much to ponder, and will adress the Jedi bit first I put Jedi on the forum form more of a joke than anything..I am from the star wars generation and love the film, I often wonder if a film came out now where the hero in a lawless land was radicalized by a relegious extremist in a cave and then went on to blow up government buildings how it would go down But jokes aside , the force that is present in all living things that binds the universe together to me is similar to the 'light of the heavens and the earth and all that is within' that and the Truth is what I beleive, I trust and i willingly submit to, it is that Truth that guides me inshalla and i seek forgiveness and mercy from, It is Truth that protects me from satan and his lies..That is all included in my daily prayers..And I start those prayers with 'in the name of God the mercifull the extra mercifull' but in Arabic as to me it has a deep deep meaning that simply doesnt translate..So after reading this forum for around a year now and learning a simple, basic concept of prayer, I dont think i am much of a Jedi, I dont like their strict Monastic ways and i doubt i could fight my way out of a paper bag, besides the Evil empire of Disney has the whole thing totally corrpted, Jedi is most likley gone to the dark side too..What you think i am is not really important , what God thinks of me is..Inshalla i will get back on topic next reply..
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    Quote Originally Posted by beleiver View Post
    First of i want to thank you all for your responses, given me much to ponder, and will adress the Jedi bit first I put Jedi on the forum form more of a joke than anything..I am from the star wars generation and love the film, I often wonedr if a film came out now where the hero in a lawless land was radicalized by a relegious extremist in a cave and then went on to blow up government buildings how it would go down But jokes aside , the force that is present in all living things that binds the universe together to me is similar to the 'light of the heavens and the earth and all that is within' that and the Truth is what I beleive, I trust and i willingly submit to, it is that Truth that guides me inshalla and i seek forgiveness and mercy from, It is Truth that protects me from satan and his lies..That is all included in my daily prayers..And I start those prayers with 'in the name of God the mercifull the extra mercifull' but in Arabic as to me it has a deep deep meaning that simply doesnt translate..So after reading this forum for around a year now and learning a simple, basic concept of prayer, I dont think i am much of a Jedi, I dont like their strict Monastic ways and i doubt i could fight my way out of a paper bag..What you think i am is no really important , what God thinks of me is..Inshalla i will get back on topic next reply..
    If you are a Muslim then don't call yourself anything else. Be proud of it and lose the Jedi nonsense.
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    Quote Originally Posted by beleiver View Post
    First of i want to thank you all for your responses, given me much to ponder, and will adress the Jedi bit first I put Jedi on the forum form more of a joke than anything..I am from the star wars generation and love the film, I often wonder if a film came out now where the hero in a lawless land was radicalized by a relegious extremist in a cave and then went on to blow up government buildings how it would go down But jokes aside , the force that is present in all living things that binds the universe together to me is similar to the 'light of the heavens and the earth and all that is within' that and the Truth is what I beleive, I trust and i willingly submit to, it is that Truth that guides me inshalla and i seek forgiveness and mercy from, It is Truth that protects me from satan and his lies..That is all included in my daily prayers..And I start those prayers with 'in the name of God the mercifull the extra mercifull' but in Arabic as to me it has a deep deep meaning that simply doesnt translate..So after reading this forum for around a year now and learning a simple, basic concept of prayer, I dont think i am much of a Jedi, I dont like their strict Monastic ways and i doubt i could fight my way out of a paper bag, besides the Evil empire of Disney has the whole thing totally corrpted, Jedi is most likley gone to the dark side too..What you think i am is not really important , what God thinks of me is..Inshalla i will get back on topic next reply..
    Hope you will be a better Muslim now.
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