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    How many errors in the bible? (OP)


    Salaam,

    Can anyone provide me a link where we can see the errors or contradictions in the bible? I am just curious.

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    Re: How many errors in the bible?

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    Greetings and peace be with you Amalalharbi;

    Thanks for the ten minute video.

    I have seen this video before, I have had my faith challenged in many ways. Despite all the problems with translations and the use of language over the last two thousand years, I still believe the Bible is the book that God intends me to read.

    In the spirit of searching for a greatest meaning of 'One God'

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    How many errors in the bible?

    You will never look into the eyes of anyone who does not matter to God.

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    Re: How many errors in the bible?

    And upon you

    To Eric

    We share the earth and we seek Him to let us share his paradise. Do you know who was the last prophet sent by Allah, if he was Jesus, we should follow Jesus and if he was Moses, we should follow Moses, as we know the last messenger before Muhammad peace be upon him was jesus peace be upon him, but while jesus convey the messege of Allah, they tried to kill him before he finnish Allah's message

    Surat A-Nnisaa from the Quran Verse (157 ) {{ That they said (in boast), "We killed Christ Jesus the son of Mary, the Messenger of Allah.;- but they killed him not, nor crucified him, but so it was made to appear to them, and those who differ therein are full of doubts, with no (certain) knowledge, but only conjecture to follow, for of a surety they killed him not:- }} {{ (158) But Allah raised him [‘Iesa (Jesus)] up (with his body and soul) unto Himself (and he is in the heavens). And Allah is Ever All-Powerful, All-Wise }}

    then Allah sent Muhammad peace be upon him to complete and finnish what all the messengers of Allah tried to do but there people did not help them and it is Allah's willwill, all praise be to Allah that we are from the people of Muhammad peace be upon him as long as he sent to us not Jesus nor moses, as Allah said He is the last messenger we seek from Allah that we wont do like the people of all the previous messengers Sorry for the long reply but you have to look a little bit deeper as you said Our God is one, our earth is the same and our prophets whom we believe are the same but where is the complete truth if you are looking for it you will find it in Al-Quran

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    Re: How many errors in the bible?

    Four books were sent down from Allah (God) to us

    1) and 2) the bible and the torah they are books full of errors they were Copied without honesty from the people, Allah is perfect as He said about Him self so his books should be perfect if these 2 books are perfect then Why the question of what the books contain is haraam

    3) Zubour It was sent down to Dawood peace be upon him but did not contain an orders nor prohibitions its only containing a beautiful sentences and supplications to nourish the soul


    4) the last book called Al-Quran Allah said about it in Al-Quran Surat Al-Hijr Verse (9) {{ Indeed, it is We who sent down the Qur’an and indeed, We will be its guardian }} this is the perfection

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    Re: How many errors in the bible?

    Firstly - i believe that if this incident did happen as narrated - that Abu Hurayrah may Allah have mercy upon him - fell short in terms of letting the person go since the goods were a trust of Allah , His Messenger , and the believers - again - if it happened - it may have been considered a minor issue in comparison to the duty and level of discretion he had.Secondly - it is recorded that 'Umar gave him the post of governor and later whipped him for returning with additional wealth and claiming that it was his - he was a companion - he appears to have had a good memory - but he was yet human, and wasn't necessarily perfect in all traits - as can be seen in the various disputes and arbitration by the Prophet amongst them.Thirdly - it is a fact that we should accept truth even from Shaytaan - if we are certain that it is the truth although we shouldn't go to ask shaytaan.
    I'm sorry Akhi. I didn't give the source. This was narrated in Bukhari. http://ahadith.co.uk/hadithbynarrato...ra&bid=1&let=A (Scroll down to hadith #510)

    Bro, don't slight Abu Hurairah (RadiaAllahu 'Anhu) in the least. While the other Muslims were busy in the markets buying and selling, he was going hungry for the sake of Allah, sometimes to the brink of unconsciousness, so that he could study, memorize, and transmit the Ahadith of the Prophet (Salalahu 'Alaihi wa Salaam). We know more about our Prophet (Salalahu 'Alaihi wa Salaam) from him than we do from any other person.

    With regards to this specific incident mentioned in the Hadith that I gave you, then this is a proof from the Sunnah that the thief who steals out of poverty and need is not to be punished as Rasoolulah did not blame Abu Hurairah (RadiaAllahu 'Anhu) for the clemency that he showed to the one whom he thought was simply a poor man.

    As for the action of 'Umar, (RadiaAllahu 'Anhu). Then you know how strict 'Umar was with his governors. Even stricter, than he was with other people.

    Bro, you forgot the whole reason why I mentioned this hadith in the first place. You were telling me that Paul said some good things that were true. I was showing you that even shaitan can speak the truth sometimes (he actually told Abu Hurairah to recite Ayat al-Kursi before going to bed!) that doesn't mean that he isn't corrupt and unreliable as a source. Same for Paul.

    This claim is obviously mistaken my brother - unless you consider the disobeying of a direct command by Adam , worshipping the sun, the moon, and the stars by Ibraheem an offer of his daughters by Lut to sodomites in order to safeguard his guests who they want to rape, a one time sucker punch kill by Musa (so Allah FORGAVE him) , a wrong judgement by Dawud (David) and so on as minor sins.
    Bro, this is a major mistake. Adam ('Alayhis Salaam) ate from a tree. Where in the list of Kaba'ir is eating from a tree a major sin? Ibrahim ('Alayhis Salaam) never worshiped anyone besides Allah. He was using a method of argumentation to illustrate to the people that all of these other gods are false, which is quite contrary to worshiping them. There is a difference of opinion from the scholars of whether Lut ('Alayhis Salaam) was offering his daughters or encouraging the men to choose the women of the town whom he termed his "daughters" but even if we go with the first opinion (which is that he was offering his actual daughters) then this was with the understood condition that the men would be Muslim and that they would take his daughters in lawful marriage. The kill of Musa ('Alayhis Salaam) was completely unintentional and Rasoolulah (Salalahu 'Alayhi wa Salaam) told us that actions are based on intentions. The judgement of Dawud (Alaihis Salaam) was a correct judgment according to what appeared to him to be the true reality of things, however, his mistake was that he did not get the story from both sides (hardly a major sin) and, in his defense, he was startled and taken surprise as the two 'men' who came to ask for his judgment jumped over the wall and caught him off-guard and when you are caught unaware like that it is easier to make a quick rash decision.

    All of the examples you gave are either minor sins or are not sins at all. And with the case of Adam ('Alaihis Salaam) who was expelled from Paradise for his disobedience, then this doesn't contradict the fact that it wasn't a Kaba'ir as one of the Salaf said: "Do not think of the insignificance of the sin, but think of the greatness of the One whom you have disobeyed." It was a disobedience to Allah after all.

    For further clarification: https://islamqa.info/en/1684

    Paul doesn't require you to fit him in the bill - and neither does Allah
    He doesn't fit the bill according to Allah

    If you say some of the Bible is authentic, can you say what parts are please?In the spirit of searching for a greatest meaning of 'One God'Eric
    Hi Eric,

    Of course it is not for me or any of the Muslims to point out what is correct and what is incorrect of our own accord. There would be no way of us knowing this our own selves except from from God tells us. One of the chapters of the Quran is called "al-Furqan" which means "the Criteria". The Quran has referred to itself as the Criteria that can be used to judge between truth and falsehood, good and evil.


    "Blessed is He who sent down the Criterion (al-Furqan) upon His Servant that he may be to the worlds a warner - He to whom belongs the dominion of the heavens and the earth and who has not taken a son and has not had a partner in dominion and has created each thing and determined it with [precise] determination. But they have taken besides Him gods which create nothing, while they are created, and possess not for themselves any harm or benefit and possess not [power to cause] death or life or resurrection." (al-Furqan: 1-3)

    That's why I said before that the principle is: whatever the bible (or any book for that matter) says that is in accordance with the Quran is truth, and whatever it says that contradicts the Quran is false.

    As for the parts that are from the bible which are true which I believe is what you are requesting, then I gave one example of the birth of Jesus (Peace Be Upon Him) to the virgin Mary:

    "[And mention] when the angels said, "O Mary, indeed Allah gives you good tidings of a word from Him, whose name will be the Messiah, Jesus, the son of Mary - distinguished in this world and the Hereafter and among those brought near [to Allah ]. He will speak to the people in the cradle and in maturity and will be of the righteous." She said, "My Lord, how will I have a child when no man has touched me?" [The angel] said, "Such is Allah ; He creates what He wills. When He decrees a matter, He only says to it, 'Be,' and it is." (al-Imran: 45-47)

    As for other examples, then I will give some based on my limited understanding of the bible and if I say something that is not accurate you can correct me.

    The belief that we are the descendants of Adam and Eve:

    "O mankind, indeed We have created you from male and female and made you peoples and tribes that you may know one another. Indeed, the most noble of you in the sight of Allah is the most righteous of you. Indeed, Allah is Knowing and Acquainted." (al-Hujurat: 13)

    "O mankind, fear your Lord, who created you from one soul and created from it its mate and dispersed from both of them many men and women. And fear Allah , through whom you ask one another, and the wombs. Indeed Allah is ever, over you, an Observer." (an-Nisa: 1)
    The belief in the existence of the messengers of God:


    "Say, [O believers], "We have believed in Allah and what has been revealed to us and what has been revealed to Abraham and Ishmael and Isaac and Jacob and the Descendants and what was given to Moses and Jesus and what was given to the prophets from their Lord. We make no distinction between any of them, and we are Muslims [in submission] to Him." (al-Baqarah: 136)

    The belief in the miracles performed by Jesus (Peace Be Upon Him)


    "[The Day] when Allah will say, "O Jesus, Son of Mary, remember My favor upon you and upon your mother when I supported you with the Pure Spirit and you spoke to the people in the cradle and in maturity; and [remember] when I taught you writing and wisdom and the Torah and the Gospel; and when you designed from clay [what was] like the form of a bird with My permission, then you breathed into it, and it became a bird with My permission; and you healed the blind and the leper with My permission; and when you brought forth the dead with My permission; and when I restrained the Children of Israel from [killing] you when you came to them with clear proofs and those who disbelieved among them said, "This is not but obvious magic." (al-Maidah: 110)

    The Blessed and Noble Ten Commandments

    https://---------------/The_ten_comm...the_Quran.html

    And with the details of the Prophets (May God's Peace and Blessings be Upon Them All) the Quran is in agreement with some things and disagreement with others.


    Are there different sects or divisions of Islamic believers? Are these divisions due to the Quran or man turning away from GOD to you?
    "Nor did those who were given the Scripture become divided until after there had come to them clear evidence. And they were not commanded except to worship Allah , [being] sincere to Him in religion, inclining to truth, and to establish prayer and to give zakah. And that is the correct religion." (Al-Bayyinah: 4-5)

    The divisions that arose amongst the Jews and the Christians before and have arisen amongst the followers of Muhammed (Peace Be Upon Him) until today is because of men's disagreement with the clear scripture that was reveled by God to man.

    One of the reasons why God Sent revelation to man is so that men could be united upon the truth and that their disagreements could be settled.

    "...And if you disagree over anything, refer it to Allah and the Messenger, if you should believe in Allah and the Last Day. That is the best [way] and best in result." (an-Nisa: 59)

    The problem is that many of God's Decisions don't fall in line with man's vain desires and opinions and so he argues and disagrees and even questions Allah's judgment (wa 'Authoo Billah)

    My point was that there are divisions just as in Christianity, yet instead of claiming that all Islam is somehow wrong due to the book they study; you see the be claiming that these divisions are both not a bad thing and not due to the quran but man. But when we speak of the Bible and Christian's then it is without doubt to many seemingly that the divisions are a sure sign of misdirection and also that said misdirection is caused by the Bible and not the lower desires of man. This is not an even scale but a double standard. I am familiar enough with the Holy Quran to know such is looked down upon in the sight of the Lord.

    I don't believe anyone here was criticizing christianity because there are so many sects within it. The issue that was being discussed was the bible itself.


    Personally just like I think prophet Muhammad was sent to the 7th Century Arabs only, so was Jesus was only sent to the Jews at that time etc.
    "Say, [O Muhammad], "O mankind, indeed I am the Messenger of Allah to you all, [from Him] to whom belongs the dominion of the heavens and the earth. There is no deity except Him; He gives life and causes death." So believe in Allah and His Messenger, the unlettered prophet, who believes in Allah and His words, and follow him that you may be guided." (al-Araf: 158)

    here is something to read for you:
    Jazakalah Khair for the post! I found it to be very useful as I did not know this information about the different opinions and Ibn Kathir's refutation. The hadith of Muhammed (Peace Be Upon Him) being the only Prophet after 'Isa ('Alayhis Salaam) is golden.

    Second, Because of a case I stumbled upon some while ago.There was this thread about errors in the Quran on a different forum. people posted so called "errors in the quran". the list contained some claims that looked obvious from the outside...but if you really knew a little more about Islam, you could easily refute them all.What I mean with this...the evidence may look obvious from the outside...but if you dive into it...the rabbit hole is deeper than it looks.
    Yeah, but when it is the same event mentioned in two different places giving two different numbers, then there is very little room for interpretation. This is why also, I asked if there were an interpretation. I am not interested in saying something false about another person's religion (or mine for that matter).

    The problem is that Christians are saying that this is the words of God which is simply not true. If they were to say that it is a book that speaks of God of which we believe in it, that would be more reasonable but to ascribe every single word in the bible to God is a lie against the Creator.




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    Re: How many errors in the bible?

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    I'm sorry Akhi. I didn't give the source. This was narrated in Bukhari. http://ahadith.co.uk/hadithbynarrato...ra&bid=1&let=A (Scroll down to hadith #510)

    Bro, don't slight Abu Hurairah (RadiaAllahu 'Anhu) in the least. While the other Muslims were busy in the markets buying and selling, he was going hungry for the sake of Allah, sometimes to the brink of unconsciousness, so that he could study, memorize, and transmit the Ahadith of the Prophet (Salalahu 'Alaihi wa Salaam). We know more about our Prophet (Salalahu 'Alaihi wa Salaam) from him than we do from any other person.

    With regards to this specific incident mentioned in the Hadith that I gave you, then this is a proof from the Sunnah that the thief who steals out of poverty and need is not to be punished as Rasoolulah did not blame Abu Hurairah (RadiaAllahu 'Anhu) for the clemency that he showed to the one whom he thought was simply a poor man.

    As for the action of 'Umar, (RadiaAllahu 'Anhu). Then you know how strict 'Umar was with his governors. Even stricter, than he was with other people.

    Bro, you forgot the whole reason why I mentioned this hadith in the first place. You were telling me that Paul said some good things that were true. I was showing you that even shaitan can speak the truth sometimes (he actually told Abu Hurairah to recite Ayat al-Kursi before going to bed!) that doesn't mean that he isn't corrupt and unreliable as a source. Same for Paul.



    Bro, this is a major mistake. Adam ('Alayhis Salaam) ate from a tree. Where in the list of Kaba'ir is eating from a tree a major sin? Ibrahim ('Alayhis Salaam) never worshiped anyone besides Allah. He was using a method of argumentation to illustrate to the people that all of these other gods are false, which is quite contrary to worshiping them. There is a difference of opinion from the scholars of whether Lut ('Alayhis Salaam) was offering his daughters or encouraging the men to choose the women of the town whom he termed his "daughters" but even if we go with the first opinion (which is that he was offering his actual daughters) then this was with the understood condition that the men would be Muslim and that they would take his daughters in lawful marriage. The kill of Musa ('Alayhis Salaam) was completely unintentional and Rasoolulah (Salalahu 'Alayhi wa Salaam) told us that actions are based on intentions. The judgement of Dawud (Alaihis Salaam) was a correct judgment according to what appeared to him to be the true reality of things, however, his mistake was that he did not get the story from both sides (hardly a major sin) and, in his defense, he was startled and taken surprise as the two 'men' who came to ask for his judgment jumped over the wall and caught him off-guard and when you are caught unaware like that it is easier to make a quick rash decision.

    All of the examples you gave are either minor sins or are not sins at all. And with the case of Adam ('Alaihis Salaam) who was expelled from Paradise for his disobedience, then this doesn't contradict the fact that it wasn't a Kaba'ir as one of the Salaf said: "Do not think of the insignificance of the sin, but think of the greatness of the One whom you have disobeyed." It was a disobedience to Allah after all.

    For further clarification: https://islamqa.info/en/1684



    He doesn't fit the bill according to Allah



    Hi Eric,

    Of course it is not for me or any of the Muslims to point out what is correct and what is incorrect of our own accord. There would be no way of us knowing this our own selves except from from God tells us. One of the chapters of the Quran is called "al-Furqan" which means "the Criteria". The Quran has referred to itself as the Criteria that can be used to judge between truth and falsehood, good and evil.


    "Blessed is He who sent down the Criterion (al-Furqan) upon His Servant that he may be to the worlds a warner - He to whom belongs the dominion of the heavens and the earth and who has not taken a son and has not had a partner in dominion and has created each thing and determined it with [precise] determination. But they have taken besides Him gods which create nothing, while they are created, and possess not for themselves any harm or benefit and possess not [power to cause] death or life or resurrection." (al-Furqan: 1-3)

    That's why I said before that the principle is: whatever the bible (or any book for that matter) says that is in accordance with the Quran is truth, and whatever it says that contradicts the Quran is false.

    As for the parts that are from the bible which are true which I believe is what you are requesting, then I gave one example of the birth of Jesus (Peace Be Upon Him) to the virgin Mary:

    "[And mention] when the angels said, "O Mary, indeed Allah gives you good tidings of a word from Him, whose name will be the Messiah, Jesus, the son of Mary - distinguished in this world and the Hereafter and among those brought near [to Allah ]. He will speak to the people in the cradle and in maturity and will be of the righteous." She said, "My Lord, how will I have a child when no man has touched me?" [The angel] said, "Such is Allah ; He creates what He wills. When He decrees a matter, He only says to it, 'Be,' and it is." (al-Imran: 45-47)

    As for other examples, then I will give some based on my limited understanding of the bible and if I say something that is not accurate you can correct me.

    The belief that we are the descendants of Adam and Eve:

    "O mankind, indeed We have created you from male and female and made you peoples and tribes that you may know one another. Indeed, the most noble of you in the sight of Allah is the most righteous of you. Indeed, Allah is Knowing and Acquainted." (al-Hujurat: 13)

    "O mankind, fear your Lord, who created you from one soul and created from it its mate and dispersed from both of them many men and women. And fear Allah , through whom you ask one another, and the wombs. Indeed Allah is ever, over you, an Observer." (an-Nisa: 1)
    The belief in the existence of the messengers of God:


    "Say, [O believers], "We have believed in Allah and what has been revealed to us and what has been revealed to Abraham and Ishmael and Isaac and Jacob and the Descendants and what was given to Moses and Jesus and what was given to the prophets from their Lord. We make no distinction between any of them, and we are Muslims [in submission] to Him." (al-Baqarah: 136)

    The belief in the miracles performed by Jesus (Peace Be Upon Him)


    "[The Day] when Allah will say, "O Jesus, Son of Mary, remember My favor upon you and upon your mother when I supported you with the Pure Spirit and you spoke to the people in the cradle and in maturity; and [remember] when I taught you writing and wisdom and the Torah and the Gospel; and when you designed from clay [what was] like the form of a bird with My permission, then you breathed into it, and it became a bird with My permission; and you healed the blind and the leper with My permission; and when you brought forth the dead with My permission; and when I restrained the Children of Israel from [killing] you when you came to them with clear proofs and those who disbelieved among them said, "This is not but obvious magic." (al-Maidah: 110)

    The Blessed and Noble Ten Commandments

    https://---------------/The_ten_comm...the_Quran.html

    And with the details of the Prophets (May God's Peace and Blessings be Upon Them All) the Quran is in agreement with some things and disagreement with others.



    "Nor did those who were given the Scripture become divided until after there had come to them clear evidence. And they were not commanded except to worship Allah , [being] sincere to Him in religion, inclining to truth, and to establish prayer and to give zakah. And that is the correct religion." (Al-Bayyinah: 4-5)

    The divisions that arose amongst the Jews and the Christians before and have arisen amongst the followers of Muhammed (Peace Be Upon Him) until today is because of men's disagreement with the clear scripture that was reveled by God to man.

    One of the reasons why God Sent revelation to man is so that men could be united upon the truth and that their disagreements could be settled.

    "...And if you disagree over anything, refer it to Allah and the Messenger, if you should believe in Allah and the Last Day. That is the best [way] and best in result." (an-Nisa: 59)

    The problem is that many of God's Decisions don't fall in line with man's vain desires and opinions and so he argues and disagrees and even questions Allah's judgment (wa 'Authoo Billah)




    I don't believe anyone here was criticizing christianity because there are so many sects within it. The issue that was being discussed was the bible itself.




    "Say, [O Muhammad], "O mankind, indeed I am the Messenger of Allah to you all, [from Him] to whom belongs the dominion of the heavens and the earth. There is no deity except Him; He gives life and causes death." So believe in Allah and His Messenger, the unlettered prophet, who believes in Allah and His words, and follow him that you may be guided." (al-Araf: 158)



    Jazakalah Khair for the post! I found it to be very useful as I did not know this information about the different opinions and Ibn Kathir's refutation. The hadith of Muhammed (Peace Be Upon Him) being the only Prophet after 'Isa ('Alayhis Salaam) is golden.



    Yeah, but when it is the same event mentioned in two different places giving two different numbers, then there is very little room for interpretation. This is why also, I asked if there were an interpretation. I am not interested in saying something false about another person's religion (or mine for that matter).

    The problem is that Christians are saying that this is the words of God which is simply not true. If they were to say that it is a book that speaks of God of which we believe in it, that would be more reasonable but to ascribe every single word in the bible to God is a lie against the Creator.




    Wa Allahu 'Alim

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    https://---------------/The_ten_comm...the_Quran.html

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    I don't know why it won't let me post.

    Excellent! (Your comments to Eric).
    Last edited by Grandad; 07-22-2018 at 12:29 AM.
    How many errors in the bible?

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    Re: How many errors in the bible?

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    Allah knows best brother, for the viewpoint though.
    How many errors in the bible?













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    Re: How many errors in the bible?

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    I'm sorry Akhi. I didn't give the source. This was narrated in Bukhari. http://ahadith.co.uk/hadithbynarrato...ra&bid=1&let=A (Scroll down to hadith #510)

    Bro, don't slight Abu Hurairah (RadiaAllahu 'Anhu) in the least. While the other Muslims were busy in the markets buying and selling, he was going hungry for the sake of Allah, sometimes to the brink of unconsciousness, so that he could study, memorize, and transmit the Ahadith of the Prophet (Salalahu 'Alaihi wa Salaam). We know more about our Prophet (Salalahu 'Alaihi wa Salaam) from him than we do from any other person.

    With regards to this specific incident mentioned in the Hadith that I gave you, then this is a proof from the Sunnah that the thief who steals out of poverty and need is not to be punished as Rasoolulah did not blame Abu Hurairah (RadiaAllahu 'Anhu) for the clemency that he showed to the one whom he thought was simply a poor man.

    As for the action of 'Umar, (RadiaAllahu 'Anhu). Then you know how strict 'Umar was with his governors. Even stricter, than he was with other people.

    Bro, you forgot the whole reason why I mentioned this hadith in the first place. You were telling me that Paul said some good things that were true. I was showing you that even shaitan can speak the truth sometimes (he actually told Abu Hurairah to recite Ayat al-Kursi before going to bed!) that doesn't mean that he isn't corrupt and unreliable as a source. Same for Paul.



    Bro, this is a major mistake. Adam ('Alayhis Salaam) ate from a tree. Where in the list of Kaba'ir is eating from a tree a major sin? Ibrahim ('Alayhis Salaam) never worshiped anyone besides Allah. He was using a method of argumentation to illustrate to the people that all of these other gods are false, which is quite contrary to worshiping them. There is a difference of opinion from the scholars of whether Lut ('Alayhis Salaam) was offering his daughters or encouraging the men to choose the women of the town whom he termed his "daughters" but even if we go with the first opinion (which is that he was offering his actual daughters) then this was with the understood condition that the men would be Muslim and that they would take his daughters in lawful marriage. The kill of Musa ('Alayhis Salaam) was completely unintentional and Rasoolulah (Salalahu 'Alayhi wa Salaam) told us that actions are based on intentions. The judgement of Dawud (Alaihis Salaam) was a correct judgment according to what appeared to him to be the true reality of things, however, his mistake was that he did not get the story from both sides (hardly a major sin) and, in his defense, he was startled and taken surprise as the two 'men' who came to ask for his judgment jumped over the wall and caught him off-guard and when you are caught unaware like that it is easier to make a quick rash decision.

    All of the examples you gave are either minor sins or are not sins at all. And with the case of Adam ('Alaihis Salaam) who was expelled from Paradise for his disobedience, then this doesn't contradict the fact that it wasn't a Kaba'ir as one of the Salaf said: "Do not think of the insignificance of the sin, but think of the greatness of the One whom you have disobeyed." It was a disobedience to Allah after all.

    For further clarification: https://islamqa.info/en/1684



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    Hi Eric,

    Of course it is not for me or any of the Muslims to point out what is correct and what is incorrect of our own accord. There would be no way of us knowing this our own selves except from from God tells us. One of the chapters of the Quran is called "al-Furqan" which means "the Criteria". The Quran has referred to itself as the Criteria that can be used to judge between truth and falsehood, good and evil.


    "Blessed is He who sent down the Criterion (al-Furqan) upon His Servant that he may be to the worlds a warner - He to whom belongs the dominion of the heavens and the earth and who has not taken a son and has not had a partner in dominion and has created each thing and determined it with [precise] determination. But they have taken besides Him gods which create nothing, while they are created, and possess not for themselves any harm or benefit and possess not [power to cause] death or life or resurrection." (al-Furqan: 1-3)

    That's why I said before that the principle is: whatever the bible (or any book for that matter) says that is in accordance with the Quran is truth, and whatever it says that contradicts the Quran is false.

    As for the parts that are from the bible which are true which I believe is what you are requesting, then I gave one example of the birth of Jesus (Peace Be Upon Him) to the virgin Mary:

    "[And mention] when the angels said, "O Mary, indeed Allah gives you good tidings of a word from Him, whose name will be the Messiah, Jesus, the son of Mary - distinguished in this world and the Hereafter and among those brought near [to Allah ]. He will speak to the people in the cradle and in maturity and will be of the righteous." She said, "My Lord, how will I have a child when no man has touched me?" [The angel] said, "Such is Allah ; He creates what He wills. When He decrees a matter, He only says to it, 'Be,' and it is." (al-Imran: 45-47)

    As for other examples, then I will give some based on my limited understanding of the bible and if I say something that is not accurate you can correct me.

    The belief that we are the descendants of Adam and Eve:

    "O mankind, indeed We have created you from male and female and made you peoples and tribes that you may know one another. Indeed, the most noble of you in the sight of Allah is the most righteous of you. Indeed, Allah is Knowing and Acquainted." (al-Hujurat: 13)

    "O mankind, fear your Lord, who created you from one soul and created from it its mate and dispersed from both of them many men and women. And fear Allah , through whom you ask one another, and the wombs. Indeed Allah is ever, over you, an Observer." (an-Nisa: 1)
    The belief in the existence of the messengers of God:


    "Say, [O believers], "We have believed in Allah and what has been revealed to us and what has been revealed to Abraham and Ishmael and Isaac and Jacob and the Descendants and what was given to Moses and Jesus and what was given to the prophets from their Lord. We make no distinction between any of them, and we are Muslims [in submission] to Him." (al-Baqarah: 136)

    The belief in the miracles performed by Jesus (Peace Be Upon Him)


    "[The Day] when Allah will say, "O Jesus, Son of Mary, remember My favor upon you and upon your mother when I supported you with the Pure Spirit and you spoke to the people in the cradle and in maturity; and [remember] when I taught you writing and wisdom and the Torah and the Gospel; and when you designed from clay [what was] like the form of a bird with My permission, then you breathed into it, and it became a bird with My permission; and you healed the blind and the leper with My permission; and when you brought forth the dead with My permission; and when I restrained the Children of Israel from [killing] you when you came to them with clear proofs and those who disbelieved among them said, "This is not but obvious magic." (al-Maidah: 110)

    The Blessed and Noble Ten Commandments

    https://---------------/The_ten_comm...the_Quran.html

    And with the details of the Prophets (May God's Peace and Blessings be Upon Them All) the Quran is in agreement with some things and disagreement with others.



    "Nor did those who were given the Scripture become divided until after there had come to them clear evidence. And they were not commanded except to worship Allah , [being] sincere to Him in religion, inclining to truth, and to establish prayer and to give zakah. And that is the correct religion." (Al-Bayyinah: 4-5)

    The divisions that arose amongst the Jews and the Christians before and have arisen amongst the followers of Muhammed (Peace Be Upon Him) until today is because of men's disagreement with the clear scripture that was reveled by God to man.

    One of the reasons why God Sent revelation to man is so that men could be united upon the truth and that their disagreements could be settled.

    "...And if you disagree over anything, refer it to Allah and the Messenger, if you should believe in Allah and the Last Day. That is the best [way] and best in result." (an-Nisa: 59)

    The problem is that many of God's Decisions don't fall in line with man's vain desires and opinions and so he argues and disagrees and even questions Allah's judgment (wa 'Authoo Billah)




    I don't believe anyone here was criticizing christianity because there are so many sects within it. The issue that was being discussed was the bible itself.




    "Say, [O Muhammad], "O mankind, indeed I am the Messenger of Allah to you all, [from Him] to whom belongs the dominion of the heavens and the earth. There is no deity except Him; He gives life and causes death." So believe in Allah and His Messenger, the unlettered prophet, who believes in Allah and His words, and follow him that you may be guided." (al-Araf: 158)



    Jazakalah Khair for the post! I found it to be very useful as I did not know this information about the different opinions and Ibn Kathir's refutation. The hadith of Muhammed (Peace Be Upon Him) being the only Prophet after 'Isa ('Alayhis Salaam) is golden.



    Yeah, but when it is the same event mentioned in two different places giving two different numbers, then there is very little room for interpretation. This is why also, I asked if there were an interpretation. I am not interested in saying something false about another person's religion (or mine for that matter).

    The problem is that Christians are saying that this is the words of God which is simply not true. If they were to say that it is a book that speaks of God of which we believe in it, that would be more reasonable but to ascribe every single word in the bible to God is a lie against the Creator.




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    I don't know why it won't let me post.
    "Personally just like I think prophet Muhammad was sent to the 7th Century Arabs only, so was Jesus was only sent to the Jews at that time etc"

    "Say, [O Muhammad], "O mankind, indeed I am the Messenger of Allah to you all, [from Him] to whom belongs the dominion of the heavens and the earth. There is no deity except Him; He gives life and causes death." So believe in Allah and His Messenger, the unlettered prophet, who believes in Allah and His words, and follow him that you may be guided." (al-Araf: 158"

    You don't see any contradiction in these two statements?
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    Re: How many errors in the bible?

    You don't see any contradiction in these two statements?


    Yes, of course. That wasn't my statement. It was the statement of someone else who posted. I was trying to correct them with the verse from the Quran.



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    Re: How many errors in the bible?

    Greetings and peace be with you all,

    The only error that could have any meaning, is an error that would mislead us about salvation. I don't believe God would allow that to happen. The Bible is written by many people, some unknown, but inspired by God, and God has the power of final edit. In other words, if some all powerful emperor wanted to corrupt the Bible, he would have to fight against God, so no contest.

    In the same way that you put your faith and trust in the Qur'an, because Allah chooses whom he wills. It also says in the Bible that we are chosen. Once we have been chosen, each of us then journeys through life striving to be the best possible person that we can.

    Blessings and peace to you all,
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    Re: How many errors in the bible?

    According to Wikipedia, there are 31,102 verses in the Bible (Old + New Testaments).

    Now, can anybody tell me how many verses of the bible are corrupted...?

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    Re: How many errors in the bible?

    According to Wikipedia, there are 31,102 verses in the Bible (Old + New Testaments).

    Now, can anybody tell me how many verses of the bible are corrupted...?
    Bro, that would require a scholar (or group of scholars) with a sound understanding of Islam to go through each and every single verse of the bible, weigh it against the Quran and Sunnah and whatever is confirmed by the Quran and Ahadith would be sound, whichever verses clearly contradicted would be obviously corrupt and whatever was neutral (not mentioned in the Quran or Sunnah) we would say "Allahu 'Alim"

    Wa Allahu 'Alim

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    Re: How many errors in the bible?

    Quote Originally Posted by Eric H View Post
    Greetings and peace be with you all,

    The only error that could have any meaning, is an error that would mislead us about salvation. I don't believe God would allow that to happen. The Bible is written by many people, some unknown, but inspired by God, and God has the power of final edit. In other words, if some all powerful emperor wanted to corrupt the Bible, he would have to fight against God, so no contest.

    In the same way that you put your faith and trust in the Qur'an, because Allah chooses whom he wills. It also says in the Bible that we are chosen. Once we have been chosen, each of us then journeys through life striving to be the best possible person that we can.

    Blessings and peace to you all,
    Eric
    Peace be upon those that accept guidance

    You are making claims without daleel. Allah subhanahu wa ta ala has promised in the Quran to protect it and SubhanAllah it is the same letter for letter as it was revealed over 1400 years

    What you believe about what God would or not do is of no importance. Statements like I believe or I feel should have no place in discussions of religion. Christianity today is based on the whims and desires of the Christians. It seem if you put ten Christians in a room you'd get eleven denominations

    Now as to your claim God will protect the bible from corruption where is your evidence?

    There's actually evidence to the contrary like Jeremiah 8:8.

    It's funny you mention an emperor wanting to corrupt the teaching of the bible because that's exactly what happened with Constantine and the council of nicea

    You don't have a copy of a copy of a copy times 20 of the original manuscripts so we are supposed to just take your word for it?

    There were hundreds of different gospels of Jesus yet the ones you have today were chosen for agreeing with the pagan nicean creed of Jesus's divinity and the others were burnt and punished by death if you possessed a copy

    Let me give you an analogy. If the Jews after the death of Moses decided to take Moses as a god besides Allah and worship him on the authority of an apostale who despite a history of corruption claimed he saw Moses in a dream and then contradicted most of what Moses taught

    What would God do to such a people? Not only would he be very angry with them, would not another messenger be sent to call people back to the worship of one God

    You need to wake up Eric. You may think you can spend your time on this site singing kumbaya and holding hands enjoying the delusion of interfaith but the message of Islam, the message of worshipping Allah alone without partners has been conveyed and if you continue rejecting it you are risking a severe punishment in the hereafter

    I would say sorry for being harsh but I'm not, maybe just maybe this will wake you up inshaAllah khair

    I didn't write this post to degrade or insult you I write this because as a Muslim my job is to call you back from the pit you are blindly stumbling toward

    I only want the best for you Eric, you're a nice guy and you have many good qualities. May Allah guide us both to the path he is pleased with

    Peace be upon those who accept guidance

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    How many errors in the bible?

    The sunnah is like the ark of Noah, whoever embarks upon it reaches salvation and whoever refuses is drowned.~ Imam Malik (may Allah have mercy on him)

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    Re: How many errors in the bible?

    ahmed deedat may Allah accept him with his good people
    Joshua Evans read the bible cover to cover 6 times and he has written books about the Bible, he has some videos about the bible too




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    The problem is that the Christians whom I know have a lot of
    questions, difficulties but all the Muslims in complete relief to know
    everything, we are from one nation, in Islam you dont
    have to be a scholar to learn or know everything,
    everything is clear and easy all Praise be to Almighty.
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    Greetings and peace be with you eesa the kiwi;

    (Note I'm reporting my own post if the other mods think I'm out of line I'll delete it inshaAllah)
    Please don't delete the post on my account.

    Quote Originally Posted by eesa the kiwi View Post
    What you believe about what God would or not do is of no importance. Statements like I believe or I feel should have no place in discussions of religion.
    There are enough people on this Earth who do not believe in any God, so beliefs and faith mean a lot. I have witnessed enough events in my life that should have ended in death, but faith and trust in God allowed life to continue, and for that I give thanks.

    After thirteen years on this forum, I think it is now time for me to take a break.

    Wishing you all every blessing

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    How many errors in the bible?

    You will never look into the eyes of anyone who does not matter to God.

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    We ask Allah to be a break that brings you closer to Allah and Alislam I wont regret inviting you to Islam you wont regret convert to Islam this life and the after

    Your high morals do not waste it in arrogance, Allah brought the devil out of Paradise because of his arrogance,Christianity is a religion of Allah and Islam is the religion of Allah. We do not fight for this, Islam is the last one, look what Allah said in suratu Al-Ma'idah {{'…today, those who disbelieve are despair of [dividing] your religion, but do not fear them, just fear Me.Today, I have perfected your religion for you, and completed My favour upon you, and have granted Islam as a religion for you – a commitment to live in peace, (Qur'an: 5/3)This is for us all mankind, all religions Allah here said He have perfected our religions, which by there is no doubt.Thank you all praise be to almighty
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    يَا أَيُّهَا الَّذِينَ آمَنُوا آمِنُوا بِاللَّهِ وَرَسُولِهِ وَالْكِتَابِ الَّذِي نَزَّلَ عَلَىٰ رَسُولِهِ وَالْكِتَابِ الَّذِي أَنزَلَ مِن قَبْلُ وَمَن يَكْفُرْ بِاللَّهِ وَمَلَائِكَتِهِ وَكُتُبِهِ وَرُسُلِهِ وَالْيَوْمِ الْآخِرِ فَقَدْ ضَلَّ ضَلَالًا بَعِيدً

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    O you who believe! Believe in Allah and His messenger and the Scripture which He hath revealed unto His messenger, and the Scripture which He revealed aforetime. Whoso disbelieveth in Allah and His angels and His scriptures and His messengers and the Last Day, he verily hath wandered far astray.

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    Any who denieth Allah,
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    His Books,
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    and the Day of Judgment,
    hath gone far, far astray.

    Quran, Chapter 4, Verse 136



    When searching for guidance, primarily we seek that which pleases Allah The Most Just based on all of the knowledge of what we have available to us with wisdom.
    When searching for the best method of application of knowledge, the best and most solid material textual source for wisdom is the Quran, the genuine ahadith of Muhammad show us a part of how he implemented Islaam in reality, then there are books revealed before that, and other knowledge from which we seek knowledge.
    Nothing other than Allah is perfect - not even ourselves - and it is not wise to reject the study of the previously revealed scriptures out of arrogant Shiqaqq - since they do contain guidance of Allah which cannot be found to such an extent in the books from the fiction section found in the bookshops, nor even in the "non-fiction" section penned by liars and other untrustworthy people.

    So it is a bit weird to find people who read fiction and highly doubtful "non-fictional" books, and watch fictional movies and highly doubtful "non-fictional" documentaries and "news" pieces - actually attempting to slander the previous scriptures despite the obvious fact that much higher wisdom is to be found in them.


    The main objective is to seek the truth in order to live and walk along the straight path with true justice so that we successfully pass the weighing on the scales on the day of judgement after ressurrection.
    And Allah is the Most Perfect and Just.

    If any of you please - read daniel 6, and compare it with the white house minutes. Which one after the Quran makes you remember and seek to obey Allah more?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Amalalharbi View Post
    Allah has Himself cursed those who edited the scripture with the aim of defacing/deforming it, and so have His Prophets cursed them, the fact that the books have been edited is obvious and provable - they do however contain the word of Allah Himself without doubt and this fact must be respected when referring to the same book which Allah himself tells us has been edited maliciously.

    It is a question of putting things in the correct perspective and rejecting what is wrong with honesty.
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