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    The first 15 chapters of acts in the Bible are historical documents. it's clear that Jesus is potraied as a man and a slave of God. They preach Islamic doctrine. THe only thing that goes agaisnt Islam in these historical chapters is the death and resurrection of Jesus. Why was the disciples so deluded in this but at the same time so filled with power to go and preach Islamic doctrine?

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    Re: Jesus's resurrection

    Hello,

    I don't understand your question. Christ's disciples preached His resurrection from the dead.

    Thanks,
    Jim

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    Re: Jesus's resurrection

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    Friday, March 25, 2005 The Paradox Of The Resurrection by Ali Ataie We are told in the canonical Gospels that Jesus Christ appeared to his disciples i...
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    Re: Jesus's resurrection

    Quote Originally Posted by Abrahamic_seek View Post
    The first 15 chapters of acts in the Bible are historical documents. it's clear that Jesus is potraied as a man and a slave of God. They preach Islamic doctrine. THe only thing that goes agaisnt Islam in these historical chapters is the death and resurrection of Jesus. Why was the disciples so deluded in this but at the same time so filled with power to go and preach Islamic doctrine?
    Because Christian doctrine is basically Islamic doctrine. Jesus as did not come to earth to preach Christianity. He came to earth to preach the one and only true religion. He came to give us the message to submit to the one and only God.
    they only got the resurrection wrong that is all.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ümit View Post
    Because Christian doctrine is basically Islamic doctrine. Jesus as did not come to earth to preach Christianity. He came to earth to preach the one and only true religion. He came to give us the message to submit to the one and only God.
    they only got the resurrection wrong that is all.
    I don't think you understand. I said it's the same message but why did the disciples think that Jesus had recurrected?

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    Christian doctrine is not Islamic doctrine, and bears few resemblances.

    - Violence is discouraged for any reason
    - Military action to expand the faith is not a message preached in the canonical gospels
    - Kashrut has no place in Christianity and there are no dietary laws
    - Mosaic law was abandoned after the first century, as most Christian converts were non-Jews
    - The divinity of Yeshua was repeated several times in the gospels and Acts
    - Christians universally believe in the resurrection of Yeshua, where Muslims believe he was somehow replaced on the cross and did not die (this was NEVER Christian doctrine)
    - The practice of outlawing "graven images" was abandoned
    - Christians believe that the church on earth has the right to change doctrine, where imams can only clarify Islamic doctrine (Matthew 18:18)
    - Muslims believe Christians originally preached Islam, but 1st and 2nd century writings (Didache, Justin Martyr, Ignatius of Antioch, the canonical gospels, etc) directly refute this. The copies currently existing from the Dead Sea scrolls and Nag Hammadi library bear absolutely no resemblance to Islam

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    Re: Jesus's resurrection

    Greetings and peace be with you Vercingetorix; and welcome to the forum

    Quote Originally Posted by Vercingetorix View Post
    Christian doctrine is not Islamic doctrine, and bears few resemblances.
    But we share more than you may think.

    I see you have put your religion down as pagan, could I ask please; what brings you to an Islamic forum?

    In the spirit of searching for a greatest meaning of 'One God'.

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    Re: Jesus's resurrection

    Quote Originally Posted by Eric H View Post
    Greetings and peace be with you Vercingetorix; and welcome to the forum



    But we share more than you may think.

    I see you have put your religion down as pagan, could I ask please; what brings you to an Islamic forum?

    In the spirit of searching for a greatest meaning of 'One God'.

    Eric
    Send me a message and I'll be happy to reply to your question! I don't like derailing topics, since that's unrelated information.

    As for what you share, what do you believe is similar in, say, Sunni Islam to Catholicism? (the two largest sects of the respective faiths, for simplicity purposes).

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    Greetings and peace be with you Vercingetorix;

    As for what you share, what do you believe is similar in, say, Sunni Islam to Catholicism?
    However we juggle our beliefs about, we are all created by the same God and the same God hears all our prayers. We have a duty to care for all of God's creation, and that has to mean caring for each other despite our differences.

    Quote Originally Posted by Vercingetorix View Post
    I don't like derailing topics, since that's unrelated information.
    Ok, so back to the topic of the resurrection. The meaning that believers get from the resurrection can be found in both Islam and Christianity. There is life after death, there is heaven and hell and God is merciful and forgiving.

    Our sins are against God and against each other. It is very much like the parents of two children, if a child punches the other, then one of the children is hurt, the parents are also feeling hurt, because they do not want to see their children fight. The same with God.

    I try not to send pm, I think if any discussion is to be had it is better in public. My reasons for being here are in the hope of searching for greater interfaith relations.

    In the spirit of searching for a greatest meaning of 'One God'

    Eric
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    Ok I'm going to expand on your points. The post formatting might be strange but it's me replying to your points

    Christian doctrine is not Islamic doctrine, and bears few resemblances.

    - Violence is discouraged for any reason
    Guess they missed that memo in the crusades
    - Military action to expand the faith is not a message preached in the canonical gospels
    "Do not suppose that I have come to bring peace to the earth. I did not come to bring peace, but a sword.
    - Kashrut has no place in Christianity and there are no dietary laws
    English please
    - Mosaic law was abandoned after the first century, as most Christian converts were non-Jews
    Despite jesus alayhis Salam teaching otherwise it is alleged he said
    Matthew 5:17-20 English Standard Version (ESV)

    17 “Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. 18 For truly, I say to you, until heaven and earth pass away, not an iota, not a dot, will pass from the Law until all is accomplished. 19 Therefore whoever relaxes one of the least of these commandments and teaches others to do the same will be called least in the kingdom of heaven, but whoever does them and teaches them will be called great in the kingdom of heaven.


    - The divinity of Yeshua was repeated several times in the gospels and Acts
    But was it taught by jesus alayhis Salam ?
    - Christians universally believe in the resurrection of Yeshua, where Muslims believe he was somehow replaced on the cross and did not die (this was NEVER Christian doctrine)
    And how would you know? Christians don't have a copy of a copy of a copy times 20 of the original bible
    - The practice of outlawing "graven images" was abandoned
    This might upset pagans but as muslims we say alhamdulilah
    - Christians believe that the church on earth has the right to change doctrine, where imams can only clarify Islamic doctrine (Matthew 18:18)
    - Muslims believe Christians originally preached Islam, but 1st and 2nd century writings (Didache, Justin Martyr, Ignatius of Antioch, the canonical gospels, etc) directly refute this. The copies currently existing from the Dead Sea scrolls and Nag Hammadi library bear absolutely no resemblance to Islam

    There are hundreds of different gospels. Seeing as the church made it punishable by death to possess a copy and spent centuries trying to eradicate those that oppose nicean creed are you surprised? And when one does appear like the gospel of barnabas its dismissed as fabricated as if the four gospels in the bible have an authentic isnad

    Ok I'm going to expand on your points. The post formatting might be strange but it's me replying to your points

    I was going to ask why you as a pagan care about defending christianity but then I realized you both are refuted by tauheed and dislike the fact muslims refuse to worship other than the one who created them

    I'm going to leave you with a verse from the Quran enjoy its 2:255


    "Allah! There is no god but He - the Living, The Self-subsisting, Eternal. No slumber can seize Him Nor Sleep. His are all things In the heavens and on earth. Who is there can intercede In His presence except As he permitteth? He knoweth What (appeareth to His creatures As) Before or After or Behind them. Nor shall they compass Aught of his knowledge Except as He willeth. His throne doth extend Over the heavens And on earth, and He feeleth No fatigue in guarding And preserving them, For He is the Most High. The Supreme (in glory)."
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    - Kashrut has no place in Christianity and there are no dietary laws
    simply saying that the Bible does not contain any dietary laws:
    Just the first link from Google:
    Leviticus 11:1-47 ESV / 7,399 helpful votes Helpful Not Helpful

    And the Lord spoke to Moses and Aaron, saying to them, “Speak to the people of Israel, saying, These are the living things that you may eat among all the animals that are on the earth. Whatever parts the hoof and is cloven-footed and chews the cud, among the animals, you may eat. Nevertheless, among those that chew the cud or part the hoof, you shall not eat these: The camel, because it chews the cud but does not part the hoof, is unclean to you. And the rock badger, because it chews the cud but does not part the hoof, is unclean to you. ...

    Leviticus 11:7-8 ESV / 5,396 helpful votes

    And the pig, because it parts the hoof and is cloven-footed but does not chew the cud, is unclean to you. You shall not eat any of their flesh, and you shall not touch their carcasses; they are unclean to you.

    Isaiah 66:17 ESV / 5,366 helpful votes

    “Those who sanctify and purify themselves to go into the gardens, following one in the midst, eating pig's flesh and the abomination and mice, shall come to an end together, declares the Lord.

    - The practice of outlawing "graven images" was abandoned

    and about graven images:

    Exodus 20:4 ESV / 201 helpful votes Helpful Not Helpful

    “You shall not make for yourself a carved image, or any likeness of anything that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth.

    Leviticus 26:1 ESV / 146 helpful votes

    “You shall not make idols for yourselves or erect an image or pillar, and you shall not set up a figured stone in your land to bow down to it, for I am the Lord your God.

    Exodus 20:1-26 ESV / 124 helpful votes

    And God spoke all these words, saying, “I am the Lord your God, who brought you out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of slavery. “You shall have no other gods before me. “You shall not make for yourself a carved image, or any likeness of anything that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth. You shall not bow down to them or serve them, for I the Lord your God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers on the children to the third and the fourth generation of those who hate me, ...

    Acts 17:29 ESV / 120 helpful votes

    Being then God's offspring, we ought not to think that the divine being is like gold or silver or stone, an image formed by the art and imagination of man.

    Deuteronomy 4:16-19 ESV / 102 helpful votes

    Beware lest you act corruptly by making a carved image for yourselves, in the form of any figure, the likeness of male or female, the likeness of any animal that is on the earth, the likeness of any winged bird that flies in the air, the likeness of anything that creeps on the ground, the likeness of any fish that is in the water under the earth. And beware lest you raise your eyes to heaven, and when you see the sun and the moon and the stars, all the host of heaven, you be drawn away and bow down to them and serve them, things that the Lordyour God has allotted to all the peoples under the whole heaven.


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