Your funny.. God said his word will never parish. Thats the same word we received from the beginning through Moses. Secondly God said we will face trials and tribulations, sickness and disease, persecution and etc.. All have been true..So I don't see your justified discust..
[edit] you keep saying your God is too powerful for the Bible to to be changed,
but erm, fact is it has, fact is there's more versions of the Bible then there is of Windows XP operating systems, and that's a mean feat!
Yes, both Holy books have many translations. But, versions and translations are 2 different things.
I don't mean where it was translated from....more like what it was translated to. Do you realized how many errors were in the KJV over the years since 1611? Serious errors. Yet, you say God's word can't be tampered or changed. Unfortunately, it has been, to the point where entire verses have been removed. How do you know all the errors have been removed now and what you have contains the pure, true word of God?
Peace,
Hana
First of all, there are no entire verses missing,, secondly the apocraphy was only there for a historical reference. Thats why it was put into its own place in the Bible. Not like the Catholic version. But this brought confusion, so they took it out and sold it seperatly as an historical reference that it was intede to be.
First of all if you are talking about the Catholic Bible thats not a Bible and secondly the others do not contradict each other at all.
King James : was he a god and jesus too ? or does every bible have a special god or prophet who says different things regarding Christianity?
King James just wanted the Hebrew and Greek to be translated into English,,he never did any of the translating.. Secondly Jesus was God in the Flesh..human form. He is God so he can take on human form.. You do not know the true Power of God. It took one man for sin to enter into the world and it took a perfect man to overcome sin..(there is only one perfect, that one is God, may you find him now..)
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how can Jesus be God too?
how can he be his father and his son at the same time??
Why would Jesus pray for God to forgive people if he is God!??
First of all, there are no entire verses missing,, secondly the apocraphy was only there for a historical reference. Thats why it was put into its own place in the Bible. Not like the Catholic version. But this brought confusion, so they took it out and sold it seperatly as an historical reference that it was intede to be.
i think, though it may be just a weird coincidence that there is even a reference to Shakespeare in the KJ Bible! That just shows how edited it is
First of all, there are no entire verses missing,, secondly the apocraphy was only there for a historical reference. Thats why it was put into its own place in the Bible. Not like the Catholic version. But this brought confusion, so they took it out and sold it seperatly as an historical reference that it was intede to be.
Peace Seven:
Actually, I wasn't referring to the Catholic version, (those additional books are a whole other topic. )
I was referring to versions removing such verses as: Mark 16:9-20 was completely removed in the 1952 RSV revision.
See the following by Ahmed Deedat:
From the Chart — "The Origin and Growth of the English Bible" — appearing below, you will note that all the Biblical "Versions" prior to the Revised Version of 1881 were dependent upon the ANCIENT COPIES — those dating only five or six hundred years after Jesus. The Revisers of the RSV 1952, were the first Bible scholars who were able to tap the "MOST Ancient Copies" fully, dating three and four centuries after Christ. We agree that the closer to the source the more authentic is the document. Naturally "MOST" Ancient deserves credence more than mere "ANCIENT." But not finding a word about Jesus being "taken up" or "carried up" into heaven in the MOST ANCIENT manuscripts, the Christian fathers expurgated those references from the RSV 1952.
THE ASCENSION OF JESUS — had been undermined as a result of Christian Biblical erudition, the publishers of the RSV had already raked in a net profit of 15 000 000 dollars! (Fifteen Million). The propagandists made a big hue and cry, and with the backing of two denominational committees out of the fifty, forced the Publishers to re-incorporate the interpolations into the "INSPIRED" Word of God in every new publication of the RSV after 1952, the expunged portion was "RESTORED TO THE TEXT."
"Why 'restored'"? Because they had been previously expunged! Why had the references to the Ascension expunged in the first place? The MOST Ancient manuscripts had no references to the Ascension at all.
Don't you wonder how many times things have been moved, removed, altered, mistranslated, etc. Man wrote and translated....they are not God, Seven, and they are subject to errors...which we can clearly see. God did not preserve/protect these revelations...He never said He would. However, He did promise to preserve and protect the Qur'an, and He has.
Peace,
Hana
Last edited by *Hana*; 03-04-2006 at 04:10 AM.
"Whoever is deprived of gentleness is deprived of all good" (Sahîh Muslim, Sunan Abî Dawûd)
The best and most beautiful things in the world cannot be seen, nor touched...but are felt in the heart.
-Helen Keller
one of the biggest things that i pride myself about Islam is that the Qu'ran is true to its word since it was first written.
There is no King Derek Qu'ran 1968 version, there is no Qu'ran version 3.2 corrupt the poor edition!
King Derek Qur'an 1968 version. omg, that sounds so funny.
But, yeah, I understand what you're saying and I agree. I love the fact that the Qur'an hasn't changed since it was revealed over 1400 years ago. Alhamdulillah.
Wasalam,
Hana
"Whoever is deprived of gentleness is deprived of all good" (Sahîh Muslim, Sunan Abî Dawûd)
The best and most beautiful things in the world cannot be seen, nor touched...but are felt in the heart.
-Helen Keller
Actually, I wasn't referring to the Catholic version, (those additional books are a whole other topic. )
I was referring to versions removing such verses as: Mark 16:9-20 was completely removed in the 1952 RSV revision.
See the following by Ahmed Deedat:
From the Chart — "The Origin and Growth of the English Bible" — appearing below, you will note that all the Biblical "Versions" prior to the Revised Version of 1881 were dependent upon the ANCIENT COPIES — those dating only five or six hundred years after Jesus. The Revisers of the RSV 1952, were the first Bible scholars who were able to tap the "MOST Ancient Copies" fully, dating three and four centuries after Christ. We agree that the closer to the source the more authentic is the document. Naturally "MOST" Ancient deserves credence more than mere "ANCIENT." But not finding a word about Jesus being "taken up" or "carried up" into heaven in the MOST ANCIENT manuscripts, the Christian fathers expurgated those references from the RSV 1952.
THE ASCENSION OF JESUS — had been undermined as a result of Christian Biblical erudition, the publishers of the RSV had already raked in a net profit of 15 000 000 dollars! (Fifteen Million). The propagandists made a big hue and cry, and with the backing of two denominational committees out of the fifty, forced the Publishers to re-incorporate the interpolations into the "INSPIRED" Word of God in every new publication of the RSV after 1952, the expunged portion was "RESTORED TO THE TEXT."
"Why 'restored'"? Because they had been previously expunged! Why had the references to the Ascension expunged in the first place? The MOST Ancient manuscripts had no references to the Ascension at all.
Don't you wonder how many times things have been moved, removed, altered, mistranslated, etc. Man wrote and translated....they are not God, Seven, and they are subject to errors...which we can clearly see. God did not preserve/protect these revelations...He never said He would. However, He did promise to preserve and protect the Qur'an, and He has.
Peace,
Hana
First of all you should understand that it is the Catholics and Anglicans that mainly use the Revised Standard Version, also the manuscripts that supposedly drop that part of Mark, do not really exist. This I have researched. What happened is the page in one of the originals was not salvegable,,this is truth..Also God said in His Word, that His Word will never parish, even after the earth has been destroyed as by fire..
Last edited by sevenxtrust; 03-04-2006 at 05:43 AM.
unfortunately you're saying that to the wrong person as i have studied Shakespeare and know more about King James then you've made claims that your God is big and big
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it's your excus to answer things u cant explain.
How dare you say MY God is small!! how dare you!!
You don't know me, or my God.
You're really in self denial, you've refused to accept any opinions that simply refute what u say.
First of all, I believe in My God, if you believe faith to be arrogance,, fine. But you are far from the truth,, also there is no Shakespeare in the Word of God. Sorry If my faith offends you. But I am not ashamed as to who I serve.
one of the biggest things that i pride myself about Islam is that the Qu'ran is true to its word since it was first written.
There is no King Derek Qu'ran 1968 version, there is no Qu'ran version 3.2 corrupt the poor edition!
Its funny that you say first written, many people forget, that the 5 Books of Moses and the Books of the Prophets were written 2000 to 1500 years before Christ came. Also the New Testament, was written only 20-30 years after Christ's death. Prophecy in the scriptures, is another thing to consider, how did they know 2000-1500 years before Christ, that he would come(true Prophets of God). There are prophecy's in the OT that are hidden about Christ but have also come true. Did you know the chance of just 1 of the 153prophecys of Christ are 1:30000 and for all 1:10 to the power of 60. That is 60 zeros behind it..WOW
Last edited by sevenxtrust; 03-04-2006 at 05:26 PM.
i would like to apologise for ridiculing the Bible there, there is no need or room for it.
Please accept my apology, i was just frustrated by your denial and false allegations that the King James Bible is perfectly completely pure
I accept your apology. But now you are twisting my words. I never said that the KJV itself is 100% faulty free. There are some spelling errors and a small amout of mistranslations. But these are also in the Quran that was translated in other languages. So I don't find this a good arguement..Considering all the mistranslations are known about.
I accept your apology. But now you are twisting my words. I never said that the KJV itself is 100% faulty free. There are some spelling errors and a small amout of mistranslations. But these are also in the Quran that was translated in other languages. So I don't find this a good arguement..Considering all the mistranslations are known about.
comparing the accuracy of the original Qu'ran to modern Qu'ran with the original Bible and modern bibles is like comparing a puddle and an pcean.
There IS a subtle refernce to Shakespeare in the KJ Bible, stop denying what you clearly know nothing about!
First of all, I believe in My God, if you believe faith to be arrogance,, fine. But you are far from the truth,, also there is no Shakespeare in the Word of God. Sorry If my faith offends you. But I am not ashamed as to who I serve.
again you ignore points i've made!!!
where did i say ur faith is arrogance?
If you believe and speak about God to be YOUR God as if there are 68 Gods one for each religion than your very wrong.
Also your attitude about YOUR God being different is shocking and an effective form of separating religions, it is this attitude my good friend that leads to arrogance and supremism (ie My God can use spell check when typing his book etc etc )
If you believe and speak about God to be YOUR God as if there are 68 Gods one for each religion than your very wrong.
Also your attitude about YOUR God being different is shocking and an effective form of separating religions, it is this attitude my good friend that leads to arrogance and supremism (ie My God can use spell check when typing his book etc etc )
Well I am done here. I see you don't want to know the Truth, and you will pay for your decision. Believe me!!!!Arrogance I never knew faith was arrogance,, and me thinking there are other Gods..What???? I am sorry but you have just twisted my words all for what...to win a discussion...You will see.. I tried....Good Bye..
Well I am done here. I see you don't want to know the Truth, and you will pay for your decision. Believe me!!!!Arrogance I never knew faith was arrogance,, and me thinking there are other Gods..What???? I am sorry but you have just twisted my words all for what...to win a discussion...You will see.. I tried....Good Bye..
do you have difficult understanding simple concepts?
AGAIN you ignore what i've said! It's getting silly now. The fact that you've taken the word arrogance to heart and needed to use a mcking smily shows clearly that its touched a raw nerve with you cos you know you are being arrogant! I never said faith is arrogance!
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