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    [pie]Why? Doesn’t everyone want salvation? Why not accept Jesus as your personal Lord and Savior? Because that is not what Jesus told us to do.[/pie]

    When a scribe asked him, which commandment was the most important of all, Jesus answered as a Jew with the first thing a Jew utters as his declaration of faith:

    And Jesus answered him, The first of all the commandments is, Hear, O Israel; the Lord our God is one Lord: (Mark 12:29)

    For Christians, this commandment is impossible to follow. Why? Because, firstly, they have this thing with the trinity which was completely unknown to Christ the Messiah, and secondly, because they don’t understand that they were not meant for his message, hence the “Hear, O Israel”, as opposed to Hear O World. This is furthermore emphasized in Matthew: “I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel.” (15:24) Jesus also instructed his disciples to not preach to anyone but Jews:

    These twelve Jesus sent forth, and commanded them, saying, Go not into the way of the Gentiles, and into any city of the Samaritans enter ye not: But go rather to the lost sheep of the house of Israel. (Matthew 10:5-6)

    Only Begotten Son?
    Hardly! In the Book of Psalms, God allegedly says to David:

    I will declare the decree: the Lord hath said unto me, Thou art my Son; this day have I begotten thee. (Psalms 2:7)
    Where in the Bible does Jesus tell us to pray to him?
    In the New Testament one reads:
    And Jesus answered and said unto him, Get thee behind me, Satan: for it is written, Thou shalt worship the Lord thy God, and him only shalt thou serve. (Luke 4:8)
    Surely, Jesus would have said, “Thou shalt worship Me,” if that is what he really meant.
    Where in the New Testament does he tell us to celebrate Christmas? Where does it say we should follow the teaching of our pastors in place of his teachings? When Jesus returns, who will he recognize as his allies? The Pope? Jimmy Swaggart? Joyce Meyer? Will he be happy with the Mormons or the Jehovah’s Witnesses? What about the Episcopalians? Who is going to be on the right path in his eyes?
    We have the gospel according Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John, but where is the Gospel according to Jesus? We’ve got Paul’s take on things where he goes against Jesus’ proclamation: “Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfill.” (Matthew 5:17) So, nowadays most Christians find nothing amiss with eating pork because they follow Paul instead of Jesus.
    Allâh warns the Believers in His book, the Qur’ân, about the desires of the Christians and Jews to persuade the Muslims to veer off the Straight Path:
    Never will the Jews nor the Christians be pleased with you (O Muhammad) till you follow their religion. Say: “Verily, the Guidance of Allâh (i.e. Islâmic Monotheism) that is the (only) Guidance.” And if you (O Muhammad) were to follow their (Jews and Christians) desires after what you have received of Knowledge (i.e. the Qur’ân), then you would have against Allâh neither any Walî (protector or guardian) nor any helper. (The Qur’ân 2:120)

    Prophet Muhammad(P) and the Finality of Prophethood

    [pie]“And the Lord said unto me, they have well spoken that which they have spoken, I will raise them up a Prophet from among their brethren, like unto thee, and will put my words in his mouth; and he shall speak unto them all that I shall command him.” (Deuteronomy 18:17-18)[/pie]

    1) A Prophet From Among the Brethren of the Israelites

    According to the Hebrew Dictionary of the Bible, Brethren is the: “Personification of a group of tribes who were regarded as near kinsmen of the Israelites.” Jesus himself was an Israelite, therefore he was not of the “brethren” of the Israelites.

    2) A Prophet like Moses

    Moses Muhammad Jesus
    Birth: Natural Natural Miraculous
    Family: Marriedw/Children Married w/ Children No marriage, no children
    Death: Natural Natural Unusual
    Career: Prophet and Statesman Prophet and Statesman Prophet only
    Emigration:To Median To Medina n/a
    Encounters
    Enemies: Hot pursuit Hot pursuit w/ battles n/a
    Revelations
    written down
    in his lifetime:Torah Al Qur’ân n/a
    Nature of
    Revelation: Legal and Spiritual Legal and Spiritual Spiritual only

    3) I will put my words in his mouth.

    He (Muhammad) does not speak of his own desire, it is no less than a revelation sent down to him. (The Qur’ân 53:3-4)

    4) Islâm, the only religion God will accept

    And it shall come to pass, that whoever will not hearken unto my words which he shall speak in my name, I will require it of him. (Deuteronomy 18:19)


    And whoever seeks a religion other than Islâm, it will never be accepted of him, and in the Hereafter he will be one of the losers. (The Qur’ân 3:85)

    Muslims believe there will be no more prophets after Prophet Muhammad.

    What do I have to do to become a Muslim?

    Just believe in your heart “There is no deity but God, and Muhammad is the messenger of God.” [1]

    Narrated `Ubada: The Prophet(P) said, “If anyone testifies that None has the right to be worshipped but Allâh Alone Who has no partners, and that Muhammad is His Slave and His Apostle, and that Jesus is Allâh’s Slave and His Apostle and His Word which He bestowed on Mary and a Spirit created by Him, and that Paradise is true, and Hell is true, Allâh will admit him into Paradise with the deeds which he had done even if those deeds were few.”


    (Junada, the sub-narrator said, “`Ubada added, ‘Such a person can enter Paradise through any of its eight gates he likes.’”) (Sahih Al-Bukhari, Volume 4, Book 55, Number 644)

    But you Muslims treat your women so badly!
    First of all, let us place into perspective the theological viewpoint of Judaism. Israeli author, Naomi Ragen, states in her article, “Wifebeating and the Halacha – Time for a Change” many Halachic authorities have not only done nothing to punish wifebeaters, but have actually condoned wifebeating, spelling out conditions in which it is not only permissible, but a mitzvah.
    Christianity has long been known to view the role of women as being subservient to men. One need only look at the scriptures:
    Unto the woman he said, I will greatly multiply thy sorrow and thy conception; in sorrow thou shalt bring forth children; and thy desire shall be to thy husband, and he shall rule over thee. (Genesis 3:16)

    Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but they are commanded to be under obedience, as also saith the law. (1 Corinthians 14:34-35)

    Let the woman learn in silence with all subjection.But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence. For Adam was first formed, then Eve. And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression. (1 Timothy 2:11-14)



    But every woman that prayeth or prophesieth with her head uncovered dishonoureth her head: for that is even all one as if she were shaven. (1 Corinthians 11:5)

    In like manner also, that women adorn themselves in modest apparel, with shamefacedness and sobriety; not with broided hair, or gold, or pearls, or costly array; But (which becometh women professing godliness) with good works. (1 Timothy 2:9-10)

    In Islâm, God tells us to be kind to our women:

    O you who believe! You are forbidden to inherit women against their will, and you should not treat them with harshness, that you may take away part of the dowry you have given them, unless they commit open illegal sexual intercourse. And live with them honourably. If you dislike them, it may be that you dislike a thing and Allâh brings through it a great deal of good. (The Qur’ân 4:19)

    And those who accuse chaste women, and produce not four witnesses, flog them with eighty stripes, and reject their testimony forever, they indeed are the Fâsiqûn (liars, rebellious, disobedient to Allâh). (The Qur’ân 24:4)

    Allâh’s Apostle(P) said, “Whenever I stand for prayer, I want to prolong it but on hearing the cries of a child, I would shorten it as I dislike to put its mother in trouble.” (al-Bukhari Volume 1, Book 12, Number 827)

    The bottom line is, Westerners believe they are open-minded, but in fact, their minds are closed to anything beyond their own culture or race. If they were born in India, they would be cow-worshippers. The only reason a Christian is a Christian is because their parents (or close friends and/or relatives) told them about Jesus when they were children. There is less textual evidence to support Christianity and its current practices than exists to support Islâm. To choose Christianity over Islâm defies all logic. If one approaches theology with an open mind and sound reasoning, it is impossible to walk away as a Christian. Islâm is the only choice for those seeking to worship their Creator in the way He has commanded us to do so.


    To accept that the Ever-Living God died,this is nonsense. To accept that the Creator became His creation is nonsense. Though the Christian will, in a minute, grab you and say, “Well, can’t Allâh do everything?” Well, yes. Allâh says He is able to do all things. So you have to say “yes.” “Well, OK. So, why couldn’t He become a man? Why couldn’t He have a son?”

    The point is, when we say Allâh can do anything, we’re talking about anything which is consistent with Him being Allâh, not anything which will make him less than Allâh. No, we don’t include those in the realm of possibilities.
    So, it becomes a nonsensical question to ask, “Can the Ever-Living die?” No. Once you said “ever-living” it means “cannot die,” “never dies.” So, to ask, “Can the Ever-Living die?” is a nonsensical question. Similarly, “Can the Creator become his creation?” is nonsensical, because, if the Creator became the creation, then He is in need of a creator. He is no longer Creator. It is nonsensical.


    And they say, “Be Jews or Christians, then you will be guided.” Say, “Nay, (We follow) only the religion of Ibrâhim (Abraham), Hanifa [Islâmic Monotheism, i.e. to worship none but Allâh (Alone)], and he was not of Al-Mushrikûn (those who worshipped others along with Allâh).” (The Qur’ân 2:135)

    And whoever seeks a religion other than Islâm, it will never be accepted of him, and in the Hereafter he will be one of the losers. (The Qur’ân 3:85)

    O people of the Scripture (Jews and Christians)! Do not exceed the limits in your religion, nor say of Allâh aught but the truth. The Messiah `Isâ (Jesus), son of Maryam (Mary), was (no more than) a Messenger of Allâh and His Word, (“Be!” - and he was) which He bestowed on Maryam (Mary) and a spirit (Rûh) created by Him; so believe in Allâh and His Messengers. Say not: “Three (trinity)!” Cease! (it is) better for you. For Allâh is (the only) One Ilâh (God), Glory be to Him (Far Exalted is He) above having a son. To Him belongs all that is in the heavens and all that is in the earth. And Allâh is All*-Sufficient as a Disposer of affairs. (The Qur’ân 4:171)

    He (Allâh) has ordained for you the same religion (Islâm) which He ordained for Nûh (Noah), and that which We have inspired in you (O Muhammad), and that which We ordained for Ibrahîm (Abraham), Mûsâ (Moses) and `Isâ (Jesus) saying you should establish religion (i.e. to do what it orders you to do practically), and make no divisions in it (religion) (i.e. various sects in religion). Intolerable for the Mushrikûn [polytheists, pagans, idolaters, etc.], is that to which you (O Muhammad) call them. Allâh chooses for Himself whom He wills, and guides unto Himself who turns to Him in repentance and in obedience. (The Qur’ân 42:13)
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    "1. Qull huwa Allahu ahad Allahu alssamad Lam yalid walam yoolad Walam yakun lahu kufuwan ahad"
    Say: He is Allah the One and Only Allah, the Eternal Absolute He begetteth not nor is He begotten And there is none like unto Him.
    (112)


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    "1. Qull huwa Allahu ahad Allahu alssamad Lam yalid walam yoolad Walam yakun lahu kufuwan ahad"
    Say: He is Allah the One and Only Allah, the Eternal Absolute He begetteth not nor is He begotten And there is none like unto Him.
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    Why? Doesn’t everyone want salvation? Why not accept Jesus as your personal Lord and Savior? Because that is not what Jesus told us to do.
    Jesus did tell us

    John 14
    6 Jesus answered, "I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me.



    Matthew 7
    13 "Go in through the narrow gate, because the gate to hell is wide and the road that leads to it is easy, and there are many who travel it. 14 But the gate to life is narrow and the way that leads to it is hard, and there are few people who find it.

    Jesus is the narrow gate he is the only way to everlasting life with the Father.


    Matthew 7
    21 "Not everyone who calls me "Lord, Lord' will enter the Kingdom of heaven, but only those who do what my Father in heaven wants them to do. 22 When the Judgment Day comes, many will say to me, "Lord, Lord! In your name we spoke God's message, by your name we drove out many demons and performed many miracles!' 23 Then I will say to them, "I never knew you. Get away from me, you wicked people!'


    .
    Why did Jesus speak in parables?

    "And He answered them, "To you it has been given to know the secrets of the kingdom of heaven, but to them it has not been given. For to him who has will more be given, and he will have abundance; but from him who has not, even what he has will be taken away. This is why I speak to them in parables, because seeing they do not see, and hearing they do not hear, nor do they understand. With them indeed is fulfilled the prophecy of Isaiah which says: 'You shall indeed hear but never understand, and you shall indeed see but never perceive. For this people's heart has grown dull, and their ears are heavy of hearing, and their eyes they have closed, lest they should perceive with their eyes, and hear with their ears, and understand with their heart, and turn for Me to heal them.'"

    "But blessed are your eyes, for they see, and your ears, for they hear." (Matthew 13:1-16 RSV)

    He doesn't just tell us in the Bible either

    John 14:14 NKJV) "If you ask anything in My name, I will do it.
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    We agree salavation for the people at the time of jesus PBUH came by following Jesus PBUH, ut we don't believe Jesus ever told people for salvation you have to believe he died on the cross for our sins, can you provide a reference where it says that? In fact if you read below, jesus PBUH preached quite the opposite

    "And behold, one came and said unto him, ‘Good Master, what good thing shall I do, that I may have eternal life?’

    And he said unto him, ‘Why callest thou me good? There is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments.’ "
    [The Bible, Mathew 19:16-17]




    John 14
    6 Jesus answered, "I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me.

    We agree with this statement, remember Jesus PBUH came only to the lost sheep of israel, he was only meant for them and nobody else, so when he says the above it is only intended for the jews. He says here nobody comes top the Father, ie God except through him, well yeah muslims agree with that, only through him could the jews at the time get closer to God by following the commandments the Prophet Jesus had been sent with

    "… and the word which ye hear is not mine, but the Father’s which sent me."
    [The Bible, John 14:24]


    "And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou has sent."
    [The Bible, John 17:3]



    Matthew 7
    13 "Go in through the narrow gate, because the gate to hell is wide and the road that leads to it is easy, and there are many who travel it. 14 But the gate to life is narrow and the way that leads to it is hard, and there are few people who find it.

    Jesus is the narrow gate he is the only way to everlasting life with the Father.
    again we agree with this, he was talking to just the jews of his time

    Matthew 7
    21 "Not everyone who calls me "Lord, Lord' will enter the Kingdom of heaven, but only those who do what my Father in heaven wants them to do. 22 When the Judgment Day comes, many will say to me, "Lord, Lord! In your name we spoke God's message, by your name we drove out many demons and performed many miracles!' 23 Then I will say to them, "I never knew you. Get away from me, you wicked people!'
    Can't you see from this verse he is saying people who called him God, Jesus will be angry with them. he only wants poeople to do it in the name of God( The Father in Heaven) who is Jesus' God, and our God

    "Hear, O Israel; The Lord our God is one Lord."
    [The Bible, Mark 12:29]
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    Happy moments, Praise Allah
    Difficult moments, Seek Allah
    Quiet moments, Worship Allah
    Painful moments, Trust Allah
    Every moment, Thank Allah
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    jesus PBUH preached quite the opposite

    And behold, one came and said unto him, ‘Good Master, what good thing shall I do, that I may have eternal life?’

    And he said unto him, ‘Why callest thou me good? There is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments.’ "
    [The Bible, Mathew 19:16-17
    sorry, I can't see nothing of any difference...all Christians believe we must keep God commandments. But also lead the life of Jesus, that cannot be done alone...only with the help of the Holy Spirit can we do that.
    and when Jesus tells the man to give all his belongings away...the man is sad.

    [QUOTE]Because the man thinks to much of his wealth in this life...but what really is important is to forget your wealth give it away...everything of material value.
    What is important is the eternally life..not this one.

    That is what Jesus is meaning in this .....the commandents must be kept but also they must be done with love with a heart..
    not like the pharies who where clean on the outside but inside they stank!


    We agree with this statement, remember Jesus PBUH came only to the lost sheep of israel, he was only meant for them and nobody else, so when he says the above it is only intended for the jews. He says here nobody comes top the Father, ie God except through him, well yeah muslims agree with that, only through him could the jews at the time get closer to God by following the commandments the Prophet Jesus had been sent with
    Jesus did come to preach to the Jews first yes...Because God had choosen the Jews out of all nations to be an example for the rest of man-kind..so man-kind would follow the laws of God and understand there is only one God. Some Jews did follow Jesus and still do today.

    We the gentils (Christians today) where grafted into the (Jewish Olive) tree the Jews all along this was Gods intention.


    Matthew 15:22-28.

    22 And behold, a Canaanite woman of that district came and called out, "Have pity on me, Lord, Son of David! My daughter is tormented by a demon."
    23 But he did not say a word in answer to her. His disciples came and asked him, "Send her away, for she keeps calling out after us."
    24 10 He said in reply, "I was sent only to the lost sheep of the house of Israel."
    25 But the woman came and did him homage, saying, "Lord, help me."
    26 He said in reply, "It is not right to take the food of the children 11 and throw it to the dogs."
    27 She said, "Please, Lord, for even the dogs eat the scraps that fall from the table of their masters."
    28 Then Jesus said to her in reply, "O woman, great is your faith! Let it be done for you as you wish." And her daughter was healed from that hour.

    Jesus did help the Gentiles though our time had not really yet come.

    Remember the parable Jesus told about the King who gave a feast for his sons wedding



    15 Blessed is he who shall eat bread in the kingdom of God!

    16 But he said to him, "A man once gave a great banquet, and invited many; 17 and at the time for the banquet he sent his servant to say to those who had been invited, `Come; for all is now ready.'
    18 But they all alike began to make excuses. The first said to him, `I have bought a field, and I must go out and see it; I pray you, have me excused.' 19 And another said, `I have bought five yoke of oxen, and I go to examine them; I pray you, have me excused.'
    20 And another said, `I have married a wife, and therefore I cannot come.'
    21 So the servant came and reported this to his master. Then the householder in anger said to his servant, `Go out quickly to the streets and lanes of the city, and bring in the poor and maimed and blind and lame.'
    22 And the servant said, `Sir, what you commanded has been done, and still there is room.'
    23 And the master said to the servant, `Go out to the highways and hedges, and compel people to come in, that my house may be filled.
    24 For I tell you, none of those men who were invited shall taste my banquet.'"

    From this parable we see clearly the Jews where invited..many turned down their invitation into Gods' Kingdom...and the invitation was opened up for the gentiles...us

    Matthew 22 1-2

    1 And Jesus answered and spake unto them again by parables, and said,


    2 The kingdom of heaven is like unto a certain king, which made a marriage for his son.

    The Book of Revelation describes a future marriage of the Lamb and His Bride in Re 19:7

    Matthew 7
    13 "Go in through the narrow gate, because the gate to hell is wide and the road that leads to it is easy, and there are many who travel it. 14 But the gate to life is narrow and the way that leads to it is hard, and there are few people who find it.

    Jesus is the narrow gate he is the only way to everlasting life with the Father
    again we agree with this, he was talking to just the Jews of his time
    at first yes the message was for the Jewish nation...then came our turn, that doesn't stop Jesus still being that narrow gate.

    Hebrews 13

    5Let your conversation be without covetousness; and be content with such things as ye have: for he hath said, I will never leave thee, nor forsake thee.

    6So that we may boldly say, The Lord is my helper, and I will not fear what man shall do unto me.

    7Remember them which have the rule over you, who have spoken unto you the word of God: whose faith follow, considering the end of their conversation.

    8Jesus Christ the same yesterday, and to day, and for ever.


    Matthew 7
    21 "Not everyone who calls me "Lord, Lord' will enter the Kingdom of heaven, but only those who do what my Father in heaven wants them to do. 22 When the Judgment Day comes, many will say to me, "Lord, Lord! In your name we spoke God's message, by your name we drove out many demons and performed many miracles!' 23 Then I will say to them, "I never knew you. Get away from me, you wicked people!'

    You said...Can't you see from this verse he is saying people who called him God, Jesus will be angry with them. he only wants poeople to do it in the name of God( The Father in Heaven) who is Jesus' God, and our God


    you are taking this passage out of context...for it to mean something Jesus never said...

    If you read the whole chapter of Matthew 7 you can clearly see, Jesus never mentions anything ,neither anywhere in the Bible that if we call him God he will disown us.
    he tells us he is in the Father and the Father is in him.

    He who has seen Me has seen the Father."

    I and My Father are one

    For unto us a Child is born, unto us a Son is given, and the government will be on His shoulders. And He will be called, Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace." -

    Isaiah, describing Jesus (Isaiah 9:6)



    So where does this confusion come from...his conversation is all to do with the hypocrites...people who say they follow Jesus but infact do not...

    Mat 7:24 "Everyone then who hears these words of mine and does them will be like a wise man who built his house on the rock.

    He is telling us...if you don't follow me correctly in all that he taught...don't look for me to help you out on Judgement day!

    Mat 7:26 And everyone who hears these words of mine and does not do them will be like a foolish man who built his house on the sand.
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