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    Some of the brothers and sisters may know about the claims of some reasearchers questioning whether Jesus (AS) was born from Maryam (AS) when she was a Virgin. I would like some elucidation on this matter, since it is part of Islamic belief, not only that of the Christians.

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    Re: Virgin Mary and objections

    adam was born without parents, eve was born without a mother, Jesus being born to a virgin mother - IT'S EASY FOR GOD TO DO IT.

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    Re: Virgin Mary and objections

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    Some of the brothers and sisters may know about the claims of some reasearchers questioning whether Jesus (AS) was born from Maryam (AS) when she was a Virgin. I would like some elucidation on this matter, since it is part of Islamic belief, not only that of the Christians.

    From a Christian point of view

    Matthew
    Mat 1:19 And her husband Joseph, being a just man and unwilling to put her to shame, resolved to divorce her quietly.
    Mat 1:20 But as he considered these things, behold, an angel of the Lord appeared to him in a dream, saying, "Joseph, son of David, do not fear to take Mary as your wife, for that which is conceived in her is from the Holy Spirit.

    Joh 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
    Joh 1:2 He was in the beginning with God.




    John
    Joh 1:13 who were born, not of blood nor of the will of the flesh nor of the will of man, but of God.
    Joh 1:14 And the Word became flesh and dwelt among us, and we have seen his glory, glory as of the only Son from the Father, full of grace and truth.
    Joh 1:15 (John bore witness about him, and cried out, "This was he of whom I said, 'He who comes after me ranks before me, because he was before me.'") John the Baptist.

    Jesus is Gods words born into the flesh.
    There isn't anything that is impossible for God.
    Humans can never explain the workings of God.


    Isaiah 55 8-9
    Isa 55:8 For my thoughts are not your thoughts, neither are your ways my ways, declares the LORD.

    Isa 55:9 For as the heavens are higher than the earth, so are my ways higher than your ways and my thoughts than your thoughts.

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    Re: Virgin Mary and objections

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    Some of the brothers and sisters may know about the claims of some reasearchers questioning whether Jesus (AS) was born from Maryam (AS) when she was a Virgin. I would like some elucidation on this matter, since it is part of Islamic belief, not only that of the Christians.
    This is what happenned:

    The Story of Mary and the Birth of Jesus

    By Marwa Elnaggar

    In Islam, Jesus (`Isa in Arabic) is considered one of the five greatest prophets sent by God to mankind. Muslims’ knowledge about Jesus is based on the two main sources of Islamic knowledge: the Qur’an and Hadith. In the Qur’an, Jesus is referred to as `Isa ibn Maryam, or Jesus, the son of Mary. The story of Mary and Jesus is best described in the Qur’an in the surahs of Aal `Imran and Maryam.

    Mary: A Precocious Girlhood

    The story starts with Mary, who was blessed as a child with God’s protection. Mary was born to the pious household of Aal `Imran, or the family of `Imran. Many people argued for the honor of taking care of the child, but the responsibility was given to Zachariah, an elderly and childless man, who immediately noticed that the young girl was special. One day, Zachariah noticed that the girl had in her possession certain provisions for which he could not account. He asked her how she came by the food and she answered,

    [“From Allah: for Allah Provides sustenance to whom He pleases without measure.”] (Aal `Imran 3:37)

    This simple answer had a deep impact on the elderly man. Having long wished for a son, the devout Zachariah prayed to God for progeny. As the Qur’an relates in the verses below, his prayers were answered almost immediately, although his wife was barren and beyond childbearing age:

    [Then Zachariah prayed unto his Lord and said: My Lord! Bestow upon me of Thy bounty goodly offspring. Lo! Thou art the Hearer of Prayer.

    And the angels called to him as he stood praying in the sanctuary: Allah giveth thee glad tidings of (a son whose name is) John, (who cometh) to confirm a word from Allah lordly, chaste, a prophet of the righteous.] (Aal `Imran 3:38-39)

    The uniqueness of Mary, noticed by Zachariah, was spelled out to her by the angels:

    [Behold! The angels said: “O Mary! Allah hath chosen thee and purified thee- chosen thee above the women of all nations. O Mary! Worship thy Lord devoutly: Prostrate thyself, and bow down (in prayer) with those who bow down.”] (Aal `Imran 3:42-43)

    Here the story of Mary’s upbringing and girlhood, as related in the Qur’an, ends.

    The Miracle of Jesus

    For more on the birth of Jesus, and the virginity of Mary, read In Defense of Mary the Virgin.

    In the surah entitled “Maryam,” we hear more of this special woman’s story, best told by the Qur’an itself.

    [Relate in the Book (the story of) Mary, when she withdrew from her family to a place in the East.

    She placed a screen (to screen herself) from them; then We sent her our angel, and he appeared before her as a man in all respects.

    She said: “I seek refuge from thee to (Allah) Most Gracious: (come not near) if thou dost fear Allah.”

    He said: “Nay, I am only a messenger from thy Lord, (to announce) to thee the gift of a holy son.”

    She said: “How shall I have a son, seeing that no man has touched me, and I am not unchaste?”

    He said: “So (it will be): Thy Lord saith, ‘that is easy for Me: and (We wish) to appoint him as a Sign unto men and a Mercy from Us’: It is a matter (so) decreed.”

    So she conceived him, and she retired with him to a remote place.] (Maryam 19:16–22)

    From the Qur’anic description of events, we can deduce that Mary spent most of her pregnancy alone. What happened to her during this period is not mentioned in the Qur’an. The Qur’an picks up the story at the moment that Mary goes into labor.

    [And the pains of childbirth drove her to the trunk of a palm-tree: She cried (in her anguish): “Ah! Would that I had died before this! Would that I had been a thing forgotten and out of sight!”

    But (a voice) cried to her from beneath the (palm-tree): “Grieve not! for thy Lord hath provided a rivulet beneath thee;

    “And shake towards thyself the trunk of the palm-tree: It will let fall fresh ripe dates upon thee.”] (Maryam 19:23-24)

    God, knowing the reaction of society, further guided her how to deal with the situation:

    [“So eat and drink and cool (thine) eye. And if thou dost see any man, say, ‘I have vowed a fast to (Allah) Most Gracious, and this day will I enter into not talk with any human being.’”] (Maryam 19:25)

    When she carried the baby Jesus to her people, they questioned her; and as a baby in her arms, Jesus gave them the answer. The Qur’an describes this scene in detail:

    [At length she brought the (babe) to her people, carrying him (in her arms). They said: “O Mary! Truly an amazing thing hast thou brought!

    “O sister of Aaron! Thy father was not a man of evil, nor thy mother a woman unchaste!”

    But she pointed to the babe. They said: “How can we talk to one who is a child in the cradle?”

    He said: “I am indeed a servant of Allah: He hath given me revelation and made me a prophet;

    “And He hath made me blessed wheresoever I be, and hath enjoined on me Prayer and Charity as long as I live;

    “(He) hath made me kind to my mother, and not overbearing or miserable;

    “So peace is on me the day I was born, the day that I die, and the day that I shall be raised up to life (again)”!] (Maryam 19:26-33)

    And so the baby Jesus defended his mother from any accusations of adultery, and in a nutshell, explained who he was and why he was sent by God.

    Here ends the story of Mary and miraculous birth of one of the greatest prophets of God, Jesus.

    [Such was Jesus, son of Mary: (this is) a statement of the truth concerning which they doubt.] (Maryam 19:34)

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    Re: Virgin Mary and objections

    Why does the Christian version have a husband for Mary? Surely her marriage would've been connsumated....O_o

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    Re: Virgin Mary and objections

    [S]der r ppl hu say dat Jesus had a dad....n den der r ppl hu say dat Mary was a virgin [/S]

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    Re: Virgin Mary and objections

    Quote Originally Posted by Tagrid View Post
    der r ppl hu say dat Jesus had a dad....n den der r ppl hu say dat Mary was a virgin
    And as a Muslima, which do you believe is correct?
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    Re: Virgin Mary and objections

    i believe that Maryam (as) was NOT married.....she was a virgin. thats why when she returned to the village carrying Isa (jesus) (as), the people blamed her of zina (adultery)

    the story has been posted in more detail by bro Al Mu'min

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    Re: Virgin Mary and objections

    But I want to know wny Christians say Mary had a husband...?

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    Re: Virgin Mary and objections

    Quote Originally Posted by Tagrid View Post
    i believe that Maryam (as) was NOT married.....she was a virgin. thats why when she returned to the village carrying Isa (jesus) (as), the people blamed her of zina (adultery)
    Fair enough. I have done a quick search

    003.045
    YUSUFALI: Behold! the angels said: "O Mary! Allah giveth thee glad tidings of a Word from Him: his name will be Christ Jesus, the son of Mary, held in honour in this world and the Hereafter and of (the company of) those nearest to Allah;
    PICKTHAL: (And remember) when the angels said: O Mary! Lo! Allah giveth thee glad tidings of a word from him, whose name is the Messiah, Jesus, son of Mary, illustrious in the world and the Hereafter, and one of those brought near (unto Allah).
    SHAKIR: When the angels said: O Marium, surely Allah gives you good news with a Word from Him (of one) whose name is the '. Messiah, Isa son of Marium, worthy of regard in this world and the hereafter and of those who are made near (to Allah).

    003.046
    YUSUFALI: "He shall speak to the people in childhood and in maturity. And he shall be (of the company) of the righteous."
    PICKTHAL: He will speak unto mankind in his cradle and in his manhood, and he is of the righteous.
    SHAKIR: And he shall speak to the people when in the cradle and when of old age, and (he shall be) one of the good ones.

    003.047
    YUSUFALI: She said: "O my Lord! How shall I have a son when no man hath touched me?" He said: "Even so: Allah createth what He willeth: When He hath decreed a plan, He but saith to it, 'Be,' and it is!
    PICKTHAL: She said: My Lord! How can I have a child when no mortal hath touched me? He said: So (it will be). Allah createth what He will. If He decreeth a thing, He saith unto it only: Be! and it is.
    SHAKIR: She said: My Lord! when shall there be a son (born) to I me, and man has not touched me? He said: Even so, Allah creates what He pleases; when He has decreed a matter, He only says to it, Be, and it is.

    It seems to me that Muslims should not have a problem with the Virgin Birth at all but with the Incarnation at the most.
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    Re: Virgin Mary and objections

    Quote Originally Posted by Goku View Post
    But I want to know wny Christians say Mary had a husband...?
    Because, as I understand it, she did. It is what the Bible says.
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    Re: Virgin Mary and objections

    Quote Originally Posted by HeiGou View Post
    Because, as I understand it, she did. It is what the Bible says.
    So then who's to say they didnt connsumate their marriage? And why would the Jews accuse her of fornication if she had a husband.


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