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    I've read the Wikipedia on Islamic view on Buddha:

    "Some Muslim believe that Siddharta Gautama is the same person who is referred in the Holy Koran as Dhu'l-Kifl (Zulkifli), and that he was therefore a Prophet of Islam. The meaning of Dhu'l-Kifl is unclear, but according to this view, it means "the man from Kifl", where "Kifl" is the Arabic pronounciation of Kapilavatsu, where Buddha spent 30 years of his life.

    Other views however hold that Dhu'l-Kifl was a different person and not a prophet at all, or that he was the prophet called Ezekiel in the Bible."

    Anybody knows about this?

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    Re: Gauthama Buddha a Prophet of Allah?

    I doubt very, very much that Dhû l-Kifl is Gotama of Kapilavastu, especially considering how it was pronounced by that time (Ka'ilbatte).
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    Re: Gauthama Buddha a Prophet of Allah?

    Do u know any sources or book written by those people who considers Buddha as Dhulkifl?

    For me Buddha might be one of the 134,000 prophets sent by Allah, but as Dhulkifl, it's hard to believe.

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    Re: Gauthama Buddha a Prophet of Allah?



    Dhu'l-Kifl does not mean the one from Kifl.

    Allah knows best who this real character was, and to be honest us speculating wouldn't benefit us much.

    And saying that this person is Buddha, opens a wide door for fitnah regarding Buddhism.
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    Re: Gauthama Buddha a Prophet of Allah?

    Quote Originally Posted by north_malaysian View Post
    Do u know any sources or book written by those people who considers Buddha as Dhulkifl?

    For me Buddha might be one of the 134,000 prophets sent by Allah, but as Dhulkifl, it's hard to believe.
    Brother a'salaam alaykum

    As by name we only know 25 prophets send by allah on earth. And total of 1,24,000 is the total prophets send by allah the almighty. As we all know Muhammed (SAW) was the last prophet. So what i think about buddha that he can be or cannot be a prophet. So we should not pay much attention on this topics. For us teaching of your beloved prophet is enough for us to attain succes in this world and herafter.

    Hope i have not hurt your feelings.

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    Re: Gauthama Buddha a Prophet of Allah?

    Quote Originally Posted by north_malaysian View Post

    "Some Muslim believe that Siddharta Gautama is the same person who is referred in the Holy Koran as Dhu'l-Kifl (Zulkifli), and that he was therefore a Prophet of Islam. The meaning of Dhu'l-Kifl is unclear, but according to this view, it means "the man from Kifl", where "Kifl" is the Arabic pronounciation of Kapilavatsu, where Buddha spent 30 years of his life.

    Other views however hold that Dhu'l-Kifl was a different person and not a prophet at all, or that he was the prophet called Ezekiel in the Bible."

    Anybody knows about this?

    I don't 'know', but it sounds very far fetched; the Buddha's teaching is an awful long way from that of the Judaeo/Christian Islamic tradition.

    I suspect this has more to do with an attempt to reconcile the two traditions to some extent (or to somehow 'absorb' the Buddhist tradition into Islam) , perhaps in an area where Muslims and Buddhists live together. The evidence seems rather flimsy, anything linguistic usually has multiple possible explanations.

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    Re: Gauthama Buddha a Prophet of Allah?

    Allah knows best

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    Re: Gauthama Buddha a Prophet of Allah?



    Siddharta Gautama Buddha may or may not be a prophet of old but unless we find concrete evidence (archeological findings, scriptural evidences) saying he that once invited people to the worship of one God, that is Allah, we must refrain against making statements that will equate Islam with Buddhism.
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    Re: Gauthama Buddha a Prophet of Allah?

    I think that generally, Muslims would say that Buddha may or may not be a Prophet. Allah knows th best.

    Regarding to Dhu'lkifl - there are lots of doubt about it.

    But I really appreciate if anyone can give me sources of people who suggesting Dhu'l Kifl might be Buddha. I would like to further read about this topic.

    Thank you.

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    Re: Gauthama Buddha a Prophet of Allah?

    Quote Originally Posted by Trumble View Post
    I don't 'know', but it sounds very far fetched; the Buddha's teaching is an awful long way from that of the Judaeo/Christian Islamic tradition.

    I suspect this has more to do with an attempt to reconcile the two traditions to some extent (or to somehow 'absorb' the Buddhist tradition into Islam) , perhaps in an area where Muslims and Buddhists live together. The evidence seems rather flimsy, anything linguistic usually has multiple possible explanations.
    Actually it has nothing to do to reconcile Buddhism and Islam, and to absorb Buddhism into Islam.

    We've been taught that Allah sent prophets worldwide to all communities. About 124,000 of them, I think. That's why Muslims have open mind that people like Buddha, Krishna, Zoroaster, Confucian or anyone who propagate good thing amongs the people may or may not be prophets of Allah.

    The main reason why I post this thread because some Muslim suggested that Buddha might be Dhul Kifl.

    Peace.

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    Re: Gauthama Buddha a Prophet of Allah?

    Quote Originally Posted by north_malaysian View Post
    We've been taught that Allah sent prophets worldwide to all communities. About 124,000 of them, I think. That's why Muslims have open mind that people like Buddha, Krishna, Zoroaster, Confucian or anyone who propagate good thing amongs the people may or may not be prophets of Allah.

    Fair enough.

    While I wouldn't dispute for a moment, though, that the teachings of those people, or at least the historical ones, were a "good thing", I still have great trouble reconciling those teachings with those from the Judao/Christian/Islamic tradition. I just cannot see the God of those religions sending a prophet to teach what the Buddha taught, which is why the idea seems so unlikely to me.

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    Re: Gauthama Buddha a Prophet of Allah?

    the hindoos say he was an avatar of vishnu but no-one really knows

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    Re: Gauthama Buddha a Prophet of Allah?

    Quote Originally Posted by ISDhillon View Post
    the hindoos say he was an avatar of vishnu but no-one really knows
    That makes a lot more sense, though.

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    Re: Gauthama Buddha a Prophet of Allah?

    Quote Originally Posted by Trumble View Post
    Fair enough.

    While I wouldn't dispute for a moment, though, that the teachings of those people, or at least the historical ones, were a "good thing", I still have great trouble reconciling those teachings with those from the Judao/Christian/Islamic tradition. I just cannot see the God of those religions sending a prophet to teach what the Buddha taught, which is why the idea seems so unlikely to me.
    Muslims belief that most prophets are sent to specific people, thus their teaching is something consumable by those people he preached only.

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    Re: Gauthama Buddha a Prophet of Allah?

    Quote Originally Posted by ISDhillon View Post
    the hindoos say he was an avatar of vishnu but no-one really knows
    What's Avatar?

    How about Krishna? Is he an Avatar too.

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    Re: Gauthama Buddha a Prophet of Allah?

    Quote Originally Posted by north_malaysian View Post
    What's Avatar?

    How about Krishna? Is he an Avatar too.
    Yes, Krishna was an avatar of Vishnu, as was Rama (the hero of the Ramayama epic). There are supposd to be ten in all, although only some Hindus think the Buddha should be the ninth, replacing him with Balarama. The last avatar has yet to appear.

    An avatar, in this context, is an earthly manifestation or incarnation of an immortal being, in this case Vishnu.

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    Re: Gauthama Buddha a Prophet of Allah?

    Quote Originally Posted by Trumble View Post
    Yes, Krishna was an avatar of Vishnu, as was Rama (the hero of the Ramayama epic). There are supposd to be ten in all, although only some Hindus think the Buddha should be the ninth, replacing him with Balarama. The last avatar has yet to appear.

    An avatar, in this context, is an earthly manifestation or incarnation of an immortal being, in this case Vishnu.
    there is actually supposed to be 24 and 23 have already come to pass the 24th is kalki avatar and supposedly he will be destroyed my mir mahdi i tried to write about this before but the mods deleted it.

    ISDhillon

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    Re: Gauthama Buddha a Prophet of Allah?

    i think someone that is knowledgeable and very good in history should come and clarify why people always relate buddha to Allah's prophet...

    but north malaysian... there is a good book and you can download it for free from harun yahya's website.

    It's regarding buddhism and islam...

    i've downloaded it... but not yet start reading it...hehehe...(trying to make a collection books that never been read...)

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    Re: Gauthama Buddha a Prophet of Allah?

    Quote Originally Posted by ISDhillon View Post
    there is actually supposed to be 24 and 23 have already come to pass the 24th is kalki avatar and supposedly he will be destroyed my mir mahdi i tried to write about this before but the mods deleted it.

    ISDhillon
    Tell me about Kalki, I've heard that Kalki is Jesus Christ-like character in Hinduism.

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    Re: Gauthama Buddha a Prophet of Allah?

    Quote Originally Posted by syilla View Post
    i think someone that is knowledgeable and very good in history should come and clarify why people always relate buddha to Allah's prophet...

    but north malaysian... there is a good book and you can download it for free from harun yahya's website.

    It's regarding buddhism and islam...

    i've downloaded it... but not yet start reading it...hehehe...(trying to make a collection books that never been read...)
    Terima Kasih.
    (Thank you.)

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