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    Was Muhammad A True Prophet.

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    Greetings My fellow brothers.
    without causing problems I would be very greatful if you would allow me to Conduct a Debate on the topic "was muhammad a true prophet" if you would allow me to do this. I will address my case if this is permitted. and May I wish any of my posts not be edited or deleted. I would like to conduct this
    Debate with 1 of any of my brothers only here please.

    Truth forgiveness and Love to you all here,
    God Bless
    Mike

    Please Permission to begin my case?.

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    Re: Was Muhammad A True Prophet.

    Hello Mikeengland,
    You have a record for spamming the forum with articles from anti-islamic sites as opposed to engaging in actual discussion. If you want to discuss Prophet Muhammad pbuh, I think it is best for you to first familiarize yourself with his teachings, rather than copy-pasting allegations you've read on other hate sites. Here is where you can read some of his teachings:
    http://www.islamicboard.com/comparat...s-prophet.html

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    The Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) said:
    "Surely I was sent to perfect the qualities of righteous character" [Musnad Ahmad, Muwatta Mâlik]


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    Excellent resources on Islam listed HERE.

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    Re: Was Muhammad A True Prophet.

    this is silly.
    how can it be proven in any way?
    it's strictly a matter of belief.
    Was Muhammad A True Prophet.

    each man thinks of his own fleas as gazelles
    question authority
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    Re: Was Muhammad A True Prophet.

    Dear Brother Ansar Al-'Adl
    Please forgive me for my comment's. I do not go on anti-Islamic websites. I know it sounds like i do but truthfully brother Ansar Al-'Adl I do not. I'd like to address a couple of points which are a direct source of Quran and Hadith, please Sir. Thank-you for your kindness In allowing me to speak truth.

    ok I dont want to blurt this out as i know feelings can get involved. So ill just say it.

    The Quran in Sura 110:1 says:

    When there comes the Help of Allah (to you, O Muhammad, against your enemies) and the Conquest (of Makkah [Mecca]). (Hilali and Khan)

    This verse predicts the help of Allah, but Muhammad’s death from sickness and poison indicates the exact opposite; no help or healing came from Allah.

    [Muhammad] asked, "Have you poisoned this sheep?" They [some Jews] said, "Yes." He asked, "What made you do so?" They said, "We wanted to know if you were a liar in which case we would get rid of you, and if you are a prophet then the poison would not harm you." Volume 4, Book 53, Number 394:
    Narrated Abu Huraira.

    Jesus never sinned (1 Pet. 2:22)

    Muhammad was a sinner (Quran 40:55, 48:2, and 47:19)

    now not to sound rude or get banned mr Ansar Al-'Adl but the Truth is:

    Muhammad doesnt even Know what will happen to Him In The After-Life. Let Alone to anyone who follows him?

    Sura 46:9 Say: "I am not an innovation among the messengers, nor do I know what will be done with me or with you. I follow but that which is revealed to me by inspiration; I am but a Warner open and clear."

    Before anyone would Post back here, I would like to appologise If This has sounded insulting or rude. But Dear brothers and sisters This is Directly from Quran/Hadith so please do not accuse me of lyeing.

    Please if you can Answer my Questions In Friendly Loving Environment.
    Thanks
    God Bless
    Mike

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    Re: Was Muhammad A True Prophet.

    mods plz dont close this thread, because we hav heavy debators like brother ansar who can fix dis ppl up in 1 second, so lets debate

    now mike england, how r u? hows d footy u been goin 2 d pub yeh

    now now

    well well we will debate in a loving way lol

    n dnt try it blud u no u blatantly been on anti islamic sites u saddo u drunkard lol now now before anyone debates i would like to pose some of my own Qs

    in the bible it says in 10.30 " i & my father are one" but then in 14.28 it says
    "Ye have heard how I said unto you, I go away, and come again unto you. If ye loved me, ye would rejoice, because I said, I go unto the Father: for my Father is greater than I"

    now dats a blatantly made up thin, bcos it says d father n me r 1, then it says, the father is greater then i!! now now

    as regardin ur thins

    1st of all when u quote can u plz quote fully blud!!! the REAL hadiths is here
    Narrated Abu Huraira:

    When Khaibar was conquered, a roasted poisoned sheep was presented to the Prophets as a gift (by the Jews). The Prophet ordered, "Let all the Jews who have been here, be assembled before me." The Jews were collected and the Prophet said (to them), "I am going to ask you a question. Will you tell the truth?'' They said, "Yes.' The Prophet asked, "Who is your father?" They replied, "So-and-so." He said, "You have told a ie; your father is so-and-so." They said, "You are right." He siad, "Will you now tell me the truth, if I ask you about something?" They replied, "Yes, O AbuAl-Qasim; and if we should tell a lie, you can realize our lie as you have done regarding our father." On that he asked, "Who are the people of the (Hell) Fire?" They said, "We shall remain in the (Hell) Fire for a short period, and after that you will replace us." The Prophet said, "You may be cursed and humiliated in it! By Allah, we shall never replace you in it.'' Then he asked, "Will you now tell me the truth if I ask you a question?" They said, "Yes, O Ab Li-AI-Qasim." He asked, "Have you poisoned this sheep?" They said, "Yes." He asked, "What made you do so?" They said, "We wanted to know if you were a liar in which case we would get rid of you, and if you are a prophet then the poison would not harm you." [muslim]

    RasoolAllah (saw) knew they were lying about their fathers, and he knew about the sheep, but RasoolAllah (saw) didnt eat the sheep!! also in the hadiths, we can see that RasoolAllah (saw) found out they were lying, HOW DID HE FIND OUT? BECAUSE HE WAS TRUTHFULL!!!
    so ur 1st point is CRAP

    n d sinner bit WOTEVA READ D SURAH BEFORE QUOTIN dats surah momin and the verse goes

    "Patiently, then, persevere: for the Promise of Allah is true: and ask forgiveness for thy fault, and celebrate the Praises of thy Lord in the evening and in the morning."

    basically its sayin IF YOU have any faults then ask forgiveness for them!!

    so so mikey any more stuff frm ur wannabe sites
    Last edited by chacha_jalebi; 06-28-2006 at 11:26 PM.
    Was Muhammad A True Prophet.

    Jaa-Ro-Nee-Mo!!!


    "they ask you when will the help of Allah (swt) come! Certainly Allah (Swt) help is always near"

    Surah al Baqarah v214



    SMILE

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    Re: Was Muhammad A True Prophet.

    format_quote Originally Posted by mikeengland View Post
    The Quran in Sura 110:1 says:

    When there comes the Help of Allah (to you, O Muhammad, against your enemies) and the Conquest (of Makkah [Mecca]). (Hilali and Khan)

    This verse predicts the help of Allah, but Muhammad’s death from sickness and poison indicates the exact opposite; no help or healing came from Allah.

    [Muhammad] asked, "Have you poisoned this sheep?" They [some Jews] said, "Yes." He asked, "What made you do so?" They said, "We wanted to know if you were a liar in which case we would get rid of you, and if you are a prophet then the poison would not harm you." Volume 4, Book 53, Number 394:
    Narrated Abu Huraira.

    Jesus never sinned (1 Pet. 2:22)

    Muhammad was a sinner (Quran 40:55, 48:2, and 47:19)


    The parts in bold seem very familiar. Its as if someone else before you copy/pasted that from a hate website. How strange.

    Ive never never heard of a "hilali" translation.

    Besides, in the Hadith had it been taken from a Islamic website or something of the sort, there would have been included after the name of the Prophet
    "(SAW)" or "(PBUH)".

    You obviously didnt type it up because it is free of spelling errors whilst the part in your posts has many spelling errors.

    The last part in bold is definetly copied/pasted. Ive seen that same reference in so many anti-islamic websites.

    I think you should do a little better when your trying to copy/paste something and then trying to cover it up, its a little too obvious.

    Last edited by Ibn Abi Ahmed; 06-28-2006 at 11:32 PM.
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    Re: Was Muhammad A True Prophet.

    Dont Worry Akhi, the Mahdi Soldier has Come!


    Allright then what do we have here a guy who thinks Muhammad sws wasnt a true prophet comparing to Jesus pbuh. Hmmm Allright lets get it cleared up before i start.

    Mr mike i hope you being a christian can answer this portion of the bible for me.

    Jeremiah Chapter 8:8 in which it states in the new international version taken from biblegateway.org

    Jeremiah 8:8 (New International Version)
    New International Version (NIV)

    8 " 'How can you say, "We are wise,
    for we have the law of the LORD,"
    when actually the lying pen of the scribes
    has handled it falsely?

    Hmmm so even your own bible goes against christianity and itself, but InshAllah one day you open your eyes

    Now if Muhammad sws was a true prophet lets do a comparison test to jesus and moses pbupon both prophets

    Area of Comparison

    Moses Muhammad Jesus

    Birth- Usual - Usual - Unusual

    Family Life - Married,Children -Married Children - No marriege(or DVC)

    Death - Usual - Usual - Unusual

    Career - Prophet/Statesman- Prophet/Statesman- Prophet

    Forced emigration- to Median - To Medina - None
    (in adulthood)

    Encounter with Enemies- Hot pursuit - Hot pursuit/Battles-no similar ecount.

    Result of Encounter- moral/physical win - moral/physical win - moral win

    Writing of Revelation- in lifetime - in lifetime - After him

    Nature of Teachings- Spiritual/legal - Spiritual/legal - Mainly spiritual

    Acceptance of --Rejected then accepted- <- Same - Rejected by most Israel
    Leadership by his
    People

    So it seems that Muhammad swsjust by these comparison standards may have resembled Moses pbuh in Prophethood, and oh oh If Muhammadsws not being a prophet, why would he speak of the prophets of old such as Jesus son of mary pbuthem

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    Re: Was Muhammad A True Prophet.

    Hello Mike
    format_quote Originally Posted by mikeengland View Post
    I do not go on anti-Islamic websites.
    Excuse me? We had to remove your posts when you were spamming the forum with anti-islamic articles from CARM, as opposed to dialoguing yourself,
    Thank-you for your kindness In allowing me to speak truth.
    Did you read the link I gave you?

    The Quran in Sura 110:1 says:

    When there comes the Help of Allah (to you, O Muhammad, against your enemies) and the Conquest (of Makkah [Mecca]). (Hilali and Khan)

    This verse predicts the help of Allah, but Muhammad’s death from sickness and poison indicates the exact opposite
    No, this verse is prophesizing the conquest of Makkah and other such victories that awaited the Muslims. The translation you quoted even puts that in parenthesis. And this prophecy was fullfilled. Prophet Muhammad pbuh manifestly WAS victorious, his enemies were vanquished and Islam prevailed in arabia, enter tribes entered into Islam in masses, as is prophesized in the verse that follows the one you quoted.
    [Muhammad] asked, "Have you poisoned this sheep?" They [some Jews] said, "Yes." He asked, "What made you do so?" They said, "We wanted to know if you were a liar in which case we would get rid of you, and if you are a prophet then the poison would not harm you." Volume 4, Book 53, Number 394:
    Narrated Abu Huraira.
    This happened immediately after the Battle of Khaybar in 7H, the Prophet and his companions were given a poisoned lamb and after eating from it, some of them died there, as related by Al-Bayhaqi. The Prophet Muhammad pbuh died 4 years later in 11H, only after he completed his mission and finished conveying the message, as was intended by Allah swt.
    Jesus never sinned (1 Pet. 2:22)
    Are you sure? THis is how the Bible portrays Jesus:
    He appears rude (John 2:4, Matt. 12:48, Mark 3:33-4), mean-spirited (Matt. 15:26, 17:17, 23:33-5), offensive (John 8:44, Matt. 23:13-29), abusive (Matt. 12:39, 23:23-9, Luke 11:44), disrespectful (Matt. 11:21-3, 16:4, 23:13-9), divisive (Matt. 10:35, Luke 14:26), racist (Matt. 15:26) and prone to violence (Matt. 10:34; Mark 11:15; Luke 12:49-53, 19:27, 22:36). He is even tempted by the devil (Mark 1:13, Luke 4:2). He commands stealing (Matt. 21:1-3, Luke 19:29-34), and may even be a homosexual (Mark 14:49-52, John 13:23).
    Muhammad was a sinner (Quran 40:55, 48:2, and 47:19)
    This is living proof you are uninterested in learning - I responded to your same claim in november last year!!

    Read this post:
    http://www.islamicboard.com/118389-post3.html
    I refuted all your allegations there which you had copy-pasted, but I never got a response from you.

    format_quote Originally Posted by Ansar Al-'Adl
    format_quote Originally Posted by MikeEngland
    Muhammad acknowledged in the Qur’an that he is a sinner and asks forgiveness for his sins both past, present and future!

    Sura 48:2 That Allah may forgive thee thy faults of the past and those to follow; fulfill His favor to thee; and guide thee on the Straight Way
    A couple of points to note here:
    1. The belief of the infallibility of the Prophets means that they cannot commit sin but are still susceptible to minor mistakes, like all human beings. See here for more info:
    http://www.islamicboard.com/75709-post2.html
    2. Maghfirah (forgiveness) implies protection in Islam, as it is derived from the same root as a shielding helmet.
    3. Tauba (repentence) in Islam is not just for the sinful, it is for everyone, just like one can bathe when they are dirty, but people bathe regularly, dirty or not dirty.
    format_quote Originally Posted by Ansar Al-'Adl
    The Prophet Muhammad pbuh used to seek Allah's maghfirah (forgiveness) from all shortcomings, and also remembers that the shortcomings of the Prophets are different from ours. For them, not doing the best possible righteous and noble sacrifice would be a shortcoming. For us ihsaan (the highest moral standard of conduct) is a goal, for them it was an obligation.
    I hope you will read my answer this time.

    Muhammad doesnt even Know what will happen to Him In The After-Life. Let Alone to anyone who follows him?

    Sura 46:9 Say: "I am not an innovation among the messengers, nor do I know what will be done with me or with you. I follow but that which is revealed to me by inspiration; I am but a Warner open and clear."
    Imam At-Tabari quotes narrations explaining this to mean "I do not know what will happen to you or I in this world", meaning that the Prophet pbuh rejected the notion that he possesed knowledge of al-ghayb, the unseen, for only God has complete knowledge. But there are many verses and hadith in which the Prophet Muhammad pbuh and his followers are promised paradise if they persevere.

    Please if you can Answer my Questions In Friendly Loving
    Please read our answers if that is what you want.

    Regards
    Was Muhammad A True Prophet.

    The Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) said:
    "Surely I was sent to perfect the qualities of righteous character" [Musnad Ahmad, Muwatta Mâlik]


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    Re: Was Muhammad A True Prophet.

    hi mikeengland

    format_quote Originally Posted by mikeengland View Post
    The Quran in Sura 110:1 says:

    When there comes the Help of Allah (to you, O Muhammad, against your enemies) and the Conquest (of Makkah [Mecca]). (Hilali and Khan)
    Prophet Muhammad[PUBH]

    He was a man with a noble and exalted mission —and his unique mission was to unite humanity in the worship of the One and only God and to teach them the way to honest and upright living in accordance with the laws and commands of God. He always described himself as a Messenger and servant of God, as indeed every single action and movement of his proclaimed him to be.

    Some Comment from the non Muslim World
    !!! The Encyclopedia Britannica calls him "the most successful of all religious personalities of the world."

    Bernard Shaw said, "if Muhammad (pbuh) were alive today, he would succeed in solving all those problems which threaten to destroy human civilization in our times."

    !!! Thomas Carlysle was amazed as to how one man, single-handedly, could weld warring tribes and wandering Bedouins into a most powerful and civilized nation in less than two decades.

    Napoleon and Gandhi never tired of dreaming of a society along the lines established by this man in Arabia fourteen centuries ago.




    Now pls tell me how can one man, single-handedly, could weld warring tribes and wandering a very uncivilized radical Bedouins into a most powerful and civilized nation in less than two decades ???????????????????????? How

    In 632 CE Prophet Muhammad (PBUH) made a final pilgrimage to Makkah with over 100,000 of his followers, and gave his last sermon. He died a few months later at Medina.

    It is very clear that Almighty Allaah, lord of the universe who helps indeed him in many ways in order to make prophet Muhammad[pbuh] successful


    This verse predicts the help of Allah, but Muhammad’s death from sickness and poison indicates the exact opposite; no help or healing came from Allah.
    Have u read the verse clearly. Ur question has no relation to that verse.
    I give u the whole chapter with translation

    Al-Qur'an, 110.001-003 (An-Nasr [Succour, Divine Support])

    110.001 When comes the Help of Allah, and Victory,

    110.002 And thou dost see the people enter Allah's Religion in crowds,

    110.003 Celebrate the praises of thy Lord, and pray for His Forgiveness: For He is Oft-Returning (in Grace and Mercy).

    [Muhammad] asked, "Have you poisoned this sheep?" They [some Jews] said, "Yes." He asked, "What made you do so?" They said, "We wanted to know if you were a liar in which case we would get rid of you, and if you are a prophet then the poison would not harm you." Volume 4, Book 53, Number 394:
    Narrated Abu Huraira.
    What is ur point

    U want Allaah(God) to react for some jews action?? Who changed the law of God?
    Allaah react when He will (He had the bigger knowledge and thought)

    And Prophet Muhammad[pbuh] did not die that time he die 4 years later from that period of time.

    Bro Ansar Al-'Adl give u nice answer

    read and reply
    Was Muhammad A True Prophet.


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    Re: Was Muhammad A True Prophet.

    what kind of question is that to ask muslims??!!!
    obviously all you want to do is try to prove he wasn't.
    this is silly anyway - it can't be proven either way - it's a matter of faith.
    Was Muhammad A True Prophet.

    each man thinks of his own fleas as gazelles
    question authority
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    Re: Was Muhammad A True Prophet.

    I believe it can be proven. Just not to those who have a closed mind.

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    Re: Was Muhammad A True Prophet.

    Well I Thank-you for all your replies. Although none of you have Answered my Direct Questions. Instead it seems I have been swarmed with hyperlinks directing me to other websites and Insults.
    Now The topic of this Thread is was muhammad a true prophet.?

    My Questions need answering if you please.? 1-3.

    1, Does muhammed offer any way of me getting to go to heaven.? Q1. This is a Simple yes/no Reply. (Not wonderful deeds.)
    -------------------------------------------------------------------
    Your reply is quote me if im wrong "no-one can know this" are you saying God doesnt know who will or will not go to heaven?.


    my Refutal.
    The Bible came before the Quran:
    And I give unto them eternal life;and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand.
    1 John 10:28

    These things have I written unto you that believe on the name of the Son of God; that ye may know that ye have eternal life, and that ye may believe on the name of the Son of God.
    1 John 5:13

    For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.
    Romans 6:23

    And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal.
    Matthew 25:46

    2, Did muhammad do any Miracles? Q2.
    ----------------------------------------------------------------
    again I would appreciate Quranic/hadith verses, and not links to websites as this is not scriptual evidence.

    Jesus performed many miracles all in public including healing people, calming a storm with a command, and raising people from the dead.

    I would also like to add before i move on to question 3, you have highlighted words from the Bible that suggest allegations towards Jesus. Please can you Quote Full Biblical passages and verses, since I have been so kind as to provide you with full Quran/Hadith verses if you please.

    3, Did muhammad predict anything that come to pass? Q3
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    But the prophet, which shall presume to speak a word in my name, which I have not commanded him to speak, or that shall speak in the name of other gods, even that prophet shall die. And if thou say in thine heart, How shall we know the word which the Lord hath not spoken? When a prophet speaketh in the name of the Lord, if the thing follow not, nor come to pass, that [is] the thing which the Lord hath not spoken, [but] the prophet hath spoken it presumptuously: thou shalt not be afraid of him.
    Deuteronomy 18:20-22

    I believe that man was created perfectly in the image of God,
    and when he sinned, mankind incurred both physical and spiritual death;

    thus man became eternally separated from God and is incapable of providing redemption
    for himself.

    Now Muhhamad offers no way to Remove my sins. since Adam and Eve where tempted In The Garden and we where born into sin, Can you agree Sin seperates Man from God? (Thats an added Question if you please)

    And That we are Indeed Brothers and sisters, and Im Sorry If I sound like I am criticising your belief. But my Intentions are only to Agree on truth. I feel we should all know this for those who wish to turn towards Islam.

    Please my Brothers. I thank-you for your Kindness for letting this Friendly Loving Truthful Debate to continue.
    May God Bless you all
    Mike.

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    Re: Was Muhammad A True Prophet.

    Sorry but as I stated Earlier I would like to conduct a 1-1 Debate with a Brother here. Since no-one has decided who this will be I would like to nominate brother Ansar Al-'Adl. As I feel he is Kind Friendly and considerate.
    Thanks again
    Mike

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    Re: Was Muhammad A True Prophet.

    Why just one brother?

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    Re: Was Muhammad A True Prophet.

    format_quote Originally Posted by mikeengland View Post
    Sorry but as I stated Earlier I would like to conduct a 1-1 Debate with a Brother here. Since no-one has decided who this will be I would like to nominate brother Ansar Al-'Adl. As I feel he is Kind Friendly and considerate.
    Thanks again
    Mike
    Feel free to have a debate with him bro, you're going to regret it!
    Was Muhammad A True Prophet.

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    Also... it was snakelegs who said you can't know. And snakelegs is agnostic, not Muslim.
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    Re: Was Muhammad A True Prophet.

    Hello Mike,
    Since no-one has decided who this will be I would like to nominate brother Ansar Al-'Adl. As I feel he is Kind Friendly and considerate.
    Thanks for your kind comments.
    format_quote Originally Posted by mikeengland View Post
    Well I Thank-you for all your replies. Although none of you have Answered my Direct Questions. Instead it seems I have been swarmed with hyperlinks directing me to other websites and Insults.
    I protest this generalization in that I answered all your questions directly here in my post and neither swarmed you with links nor insults.
    1, Does muhammed offer any way of me getting to go to heaven.? Q1. This is a Simple yes/no Reply. (Not wonderful deeds.)
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    Yes, he does.
    Your reply is quote me if im wrong "no-one can know this" are you saying God doesnt know who will or will not go to heaven?.
    No, God has complete knowledge, He knows everything.
    my Refutal.
    The Bible came before the Quran
    I'm afraid that's not a valid argument. The Vedas [Hindu scriprtures] came before the Bible. According to your logic, the statements of salvation in the Vedas supercede those of the Bible.

    Besides, out of the quotes you have given, the only one which supports your doctrine is from Paul in Romans.
    2, Did muhammad do any Miracles? Q2.
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    again I would appreciate Quranic/hadith verses, and not links to websites as this is not scriptual evidence.
    Sure.
    CURING OF THE SICK

    During the campaign of Uhud, Qattada Bin An-Nu'man (May Allah be pleased with him) was injured in the eye. The eyeball had come out of the socket and was hanging on his cheek. The Prophet (peace be upon him) put it back with his hand and after this incident, that eye was better than the uninjured eye.

    Al-Bukhaari related that Yazid bin Abi Ubaid (may Allah be pleased with him) said, ´I saw a scar of a cut on the leg of Abu Muslim. When I asked him, “O Abu Muslim! What is this scar?” He said, “ I was injured in the battle of Khyber. People said, “Himama is injured.” I came to the Prophet (peace be upon him) and he blew on the injury three times and after that I did not feel any pain till today.”

    Aisha bint Saad narrated on her father’s authority that the Prophet (peace be upon him) visited Saad Bin abi Waqqas (May Allah be pleased with him) while the latter was sick. The Prophet (peace be upon him) put his hand on Saad’s head and wiped his face and stomach, and said “O Allah cure Saad and help him to complete his migration.” Saad said, "From that time till now, I can still feel the cold touch of the hands of the Prophet (peace be upon him)."

    Prior to the battle of Khaiber the Prophet (peace be upon him) said “Tomorrow I will give the flag to a man who loves Allah and his Prophet (peace be upon him), and Allah and His Prophet (peace be upon him) love him.” The people spent the night, each one of them eager to be given the banner. In the morning the Prophet (peace be upon him) asked, “where is Ali bin Abi Talib (May Allah be pleased with him)?” They said he is suffering from an eye ailment (Ramadh). The Prophet (peace be upon him) spit in Ali’s eyes and he was cured.

    Narrated Jabir (May Allah be pleased with him) Allah’s messenger came to visit while I was sick and unconscious. He performed ablution and sprinkled the remaining water on me and I became conscious…… Al-Bukhaari

    INCREASING (BY BLESSING) THE FOOD

    These are [similar to the] miracles given to Prophets Jesus (the table) and Moses (increasing the water) peace be upon hem both):

    THE STORY OF UMM MA'BAD

    The Prophet (peace be upon him) and Abu Bakr (may Allah be pleased with him) on their way to Al-Madina, continued their journey until they reached the solitary tent belonging to a woman called Umm Ma’bad Al-Khuzaiyah. She was a gracious lady who sat at her tent-door with a mat spread out for any chance traveler that might pass by that way. Fatigued and thirsty, the Prophet (peace be upon him) and his companion wanted to refresh themselves with food and some milk. The lady told them that the flock was out in the pasture and the goat standing nearby was almost dry. It was a rainless year. The Prophet (peace be upon him) with her permission touched its udders, reciting over them the Name of Allah and to their great joy, there flowed plenty of milk out of them. The Prophet (peace be upon him) first offered the milk to the lady of the house, and he shared what was left with other members of the party. Before he left, he milked the goat again, filled the container and gave it to Umm Ma’bad.

    After some time her husband arrived with thin goats hardly having any milk in their udders and he was astonished to see milk in the house. His wife told him that a blessed man passed by the way and gave details about his physical appearance and the manner of talking. Abu Ma’bad immediately realized that the man was the one Quraysh were searching for and asked her to give full description of him and she gave a wonderful account of his physiqueand manners. Abu Ma’bad, after listening to his wife’s account expressed a sincere wish to accompany the Prophet (peace be upon him) whenever possible.

    He reiterated his admiration in verses of a poet that echoed all over Makkah to such an extent that the people therein thought it was a jinn inculcating words in their ears. Asma (may Allah be pleased with her), daughter of Abu Bakr, on hearing those lines, got to know that the two companions were heading for Madinah. The short poem opened with thanking Allah for giving them (the Ma’bads) the chance to host the Prophet (peace be upon him) for a while. It then gave an account of the bliss that would settle in the heart of the Prophet’s companion whosoever he was. It closed with an invitation to the whole mankind to come and see by themselves Umm Ma’bad, her goat and the container of milk that would all testify to the truthfulness of the Prophet (peace be upon him) .

    INCREASING WATER IN TABUK

    When they drew near Tabuk, the Prophet (peace be upon him) said: “If Allah wills, tomorrow you will arrive at the Tabuk spring. You will not get there before daytime. So whoever reaches it should not touch its water; but wait till I come.” Mu’adh said: “When we reached the spring therewas some water as usual. We found that two men had already arrived before us. The Messenger of Allah (peace be upon him) asked them:‘Have you touched its water?’ They replied, ‘Yes’. He said what Allah inspired him to say, then he scooped up a little water of that spring. It was a thin stream where water gathered. He washed his face and hand with it and poured it back into it; consequently plenty of water spouted out of it so people watered. The Messenger of Allah (peace be upon him) said ‘Mu’adh! If you were to live long life you will see in here fields full of vegetation.’ Nowadays Tabuk’s fields are full of vegetation as the Prophet (peace be upon him) foretold.

    I would also like to add before i move on to question 3, you have highlighted words from the Bible that suggest allegations towards Jesus. Please can you Quote Full Biblical passages and verses, since I have been so kind as to provide you with full Quran/Hadith verses if you please.
    Fair enough. We'll discuss them one at a time. Let's start with anger.

    Jesus tells us
    Matthew 5:21-22. You have heard that the ancients were told, 'You shall not commit murder' and 'Whoever commits murder shall be liable to the court.' But I say to you that everyone who is angry with his brother shall be guilty before the court; and whoever shall say to his brother, 'Raca', shall be guilty before the supreme court; and whoever shall say, 'You fool', shall be guilty enough to go into the fiery hell."

    Yet, amazingly, look at what Jesus does himself!
    In Matthew 23 Jesus lashes out at the Jews, (13) But woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites!… (16) Woe unto you, you blind guides, … (17) You FOOLS and blind: … (33) You serpents, You generation of vipers, how can ye escape the damnation of hell?!

    Jesus said anger was wrong, but he got angry. He said that calling someone 'you fool' makes them guilty enough to go into the fiery hell, but he does it himself. Is this not hypocrisy?

    3, Did muhammad predict anything that come to pass? Q3
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    PROPHET MUHAMMED (peace be upon him) TELLING OF THE UNSEEN

    His telling of some incidents in the future does not mean he knows everything that is to take place in the future. Allah the almighty gave him this advantage in knowledge in certain situations. His people disbelieved in him, yet when he tells them that something will happen in the future, they believed him without a doubt. This does not mean that the Prophet (peace be upon him) could always tell the future or is a fortune-teller.

    “Say (O Muhammed) I possess no power of benefit or hurt to myself except as Allah wills. If I have the knowledge of the Ghaib (unseen), I should have secured for myself an abundance of wealth, and no evil should have touched me. I am but a warner, and bring glad tidings unto people who believe.”
    [Qur'aan 7:188]

    UKAIDIR IN DUMAT AL-JANDAL

    The Messenger of Allah (peace be upon him) dispatched Khalid bin Al-Waleed at the head of four hundred and fifty horsemen to ‘Ukaidir in Dumat Al-Jandal and said to him: “You will see him hunting oryxes.” So when Khalid drew near his castle and was as far as an eye-sight range, he saw the oryxes coming out rubbing their horns against the castle gate. As it was moon light night, Khalid could see Ukaidir come out to hunt them. He captured him, though he was surrounded by his men and brought him back to the Messenger of Allah (peace be upon him) who spared his life and made peace with him for the payment of two thousand camels, eight hundred heads of cattle, four hundred armours and four hundred lances. Prophet (peace be upon him) instructed him to recognize the duty of paying tribute and made him responsible for collecting it from Dumat, Tabuk, Ailah and Taima’.

    AN ATTEMPT ON THE LIFE OF THE PROPHET (peace be upon him)

    The impact of defeat at Badr was so great that the Makkans began to burn with indignation and resentment over their terrible losses. Two of the polytheists volunteered to quench their thirst and eliminate the source of that humiliation i.e. the Prophet (peace be upon him). ‘Umair bin Wahab Al-Jumahi, a terrible polytheist and an archenemy Safwan bin Omaiyah sat together lamenting their loss and remembering their dead and captives. ‘Umair expressed a fervent desire to kill the Prophet (peace be upon him) and release his captured son in Madinah, if it was not for the yoke of debts he was under and the large family he had to support. Safwan, also had his good reasons to see the Prophet (peace be upon him) killed, so he offered to settle ‘Umair’s debts and support his family if he went on with his plan. ‘Umair agreed and asked Safwan to keep the scheme a secret.

    He left for Madinah, with a sword to which he applied some kind of lethal poison. ‘Umar bin Al-Khattab (may Allah be pleased with him) saw him at the door of the Mosque and understood that he had come with evil intentions. He immediately went into the Mosque and informed the Prophet (peace be upon him). He was allowed to enter, looped by the sling of his sword and greeted saying “good morning”, to which the Prophet (peace be upon him) replied that Allah had been Gracious and taught them the greeting of the dwellers of Paradise: “peace be upon you!” To a question raised by the Prophet (peace be upon him) about his object, ‘Umair said that he had come to see that his captured son was well treated. As for the sword, which the Prophet (peace be upon him) inquired him, he cursed it and said that it gained them nothing.

    On exhorting him to tell his real goal, he remained adamant and did not divulge the secret meeting with Safwan. Here the Prophet (peace be upon him) got impatient and himself revealed to ‘Umair the latter’s secret mission. ‘Umair was taken by surprise, then an incredible astonishment seized him and he immediately declared his faith in Islam (the Shahaadah). He then began to praise Allah’s compassion for having been guided to the ‘Straight Path’. The Prophet (peace be upon him) was pleased, asked his companions to teach ‘Umair the principles of Islam, recite to him the Noble Qur’an and release his son from captivity. Safwan, meanwhile was still entertaining false illusions as to the approaching redemption of honor and burying the memory of Badr. He was impatiently waiting for ‘Umair’s news but to his great surprise he was told that the man had embraced Islam and become a devoted believer. ‘Umair later came back to Makkah where he started to call people unto Islam and actually managed to convert a lot of Makkans to Islam.

    THE STORY OF THE TRENCH

    The Muslims were digging the trench during the Battle of the Trench and some supernatural Prophetic signs were shown at that time. Jabir bin ‘Abdullah, seeing the Prophet (peace be upon him) starving, slaughtered a sheep, cooked some barley and requested the Prophet (peace be upon him) and some Companions to accept his invitation. But the Prophet (peace be upon him) gathered all the thousand people engaged in digging the trench and they started to eat until they were all completely full and yet the shoulder of mutton and dough that was being baked remained and the food was undiminished.

    A woman brought a handful of dates and passed by the Prophet (peace be upon him) who took them. He threw them over his cloak and invited his followers to eat. The dates began to increase in number until they dropped over the brim of his robe.

    Another miracle was when a rock stood out as an immune obstacle in the ditch. The Prophet (peace be upon him) took the spade and struck, and the rock immediately turned into a loose sand dune. In another version, Al-Bara’ said: On Al-Khandaq (the trench) Day there stood out a rock too hard for our spades to break up. We therefore went to see the Messenger of Allah (peace be upon him) for advice. He took the spade, and struck the rock saying “In the Name of Allah, Allah is Great, the keys of Ash-Sham (Geographical Syria) are mine. I swear by Allah, I can see its palaces at the moment;” on the second strike he said: “Allah is Great, Persia is mine, I swear by Allah, I can now see the white palace of Madain.” For the third time he struck the rock saying, “Allah is Great, I have been given the keys of Yemen, I swear by Allah, I can see the gates of San’a while I am in my place.” The rock turned into very small pieces. Ishaq narrated the same version.

    The northern part of Madinah was the most vulnerable, all the other sides being surrounded by mountains and palm tree orchards. The Prophet (peace be upon him) as a skillful military expert, understood that the Confederates would march in that direction. So the trench was ordered to be dug on that side. The Muslims went on digging the trench for several days. They used to work during the day and go back home in the evening until it was completed in time and assumed its full dimensions militarily. The huge army of the idolaters which numbered as many as ten thousand fighters, arrived and settled in the vicinity of Madinah in places called Al-Asyal and Uhud.

    THE STORY OF AL-HIRAH

    Al-Bukhaari narrates that ‘Adi said: “While we were with the Prophet (peace be upon him) a man came and complained to him about poverty. Another man came and complained about highway robbery. The Messenger of Allah (peace be upon him) then said: “O Adi! Have you ever been to Al-Hirah? If you were destined to live a long life, you would be able to see a woman travel from Hirah riding a camel till it circumambulates the Ka'bah fearing none but Allah; and if you were to live long enough you would open the treasures of Kisra. And if you were to live long you would be able to see a man offering a handful of gold or silver to others but no one would accept it.”

    At the end of this Hadith ‘Adi later on says: ”I have seen a woman riding camel travel from Al-Hirah till it circumambulates the Ka'bah fearing none but Allah. I have also been one of those who opened the treasures of Kisra bin Hurmuz. If you were to live long life you would witness what the Prophet (peace be upon him), Abul Qasim, had already said about ‘offering a handful of….. ’ i.e. the Prophet’s prophecies did really come true.”

    THE STORY OF UTAIBAH

    ‘Utaibah bin Abi Lahab once came to the Prophet (peace be upon him) and most defiantly and brazenly shouted at him, “I disbelieve in, “By the star when it goes down” [53:1] and in “Then he (Gabriel) approached and came closer.” [53:8] In other words: “I do not believe in any of the verses from the Qur’an.” He then became violent and started to deal highhandedly with Muhammed (peace be upon him), tore his shirt and spat at the face but it missed the face of the Prophet (peace be upon him). Thereupon, the Prophet (peace be upon him) invoked Allah’s wrath on ‘Utaibah and supplicated: “O Allah! Set one of Your dogs on him.” Allah responded positively to Muhammed’s supplication, and it happened in the following manner:

    Once ‘Utaibah with some of his companions from Quraysh set out for Syria and took accommodation in Az-Zarqa’. There a lion approached the group to the great fear of ‘Utaibah, who at once recalled Muhammed’s words in supplication, and said: “Woe to my brother! This lion will surely devour me just as Muhammed supplicated. He has really killed me in Syria while he is in Makkah." The lion rushed like lightning, snatched ‘Utaibah from amongst his people and crushed his head.

    THE STORY OF UBAI BIN KHALAF

    Ibn Ishaq related: “One day when the Messenger of Allah (peace be upon him) was going up the hillock, he was followed by Ubai Bin Khalaf who was saying: ‘Where is Muhammed? Either I kill him or I will be killed.’ The Companions of Muhammed (peace be upon him) said: ‘O Messenger of Allah (peace be upon him), do you mind if one of us combats with him?’ But the Messenger of Allah (peace be upon him) said: ‘Leave him!’ So when he drew nearer, the Messenger of Allah (peace be upon him) took the spear from Al-Harith bin As-Simma. He shivered violently in such a way that all of them scattered in all directions. The Prophet (peace be upon him) faced him (i.e Ubai) and observed his throat through a gap between the wide opening of the armour and the part of his neck enclosed by. He speared him in that spot. The effect of the stroke was so strong that it made him roll off his horse over and over. When he returned to Quraysh, they found that he had only had a small scratch in his neck. So when blood became clotted he said: ‘By Allah, Muhammed has killed me.’ Others heard him and replied, ‘By Allah you are afraid to death. By Allah, you are possessed by a devil.’ But he replied, “He already told me when we were in Makkah, ‘I will kill you.’ By Allah, had he spat on me, he would have killed me.” Eventually, the enemy of Allah breathed his last at a place called Sari, while they were taking him back to Makkah.

    THE STORY OF BILAL'S CALL ON THE KA'BAH

    After the conquest of Makkah when time for prayer approached, Bilal ascended the Ka'bah and called for prayer. Abu Sufyan bin Harb, ‘Itab bin Usaid and Al-Harith bin Hisham were sitting in the yard. ‘Itab bin Usaid commented on the new situation (Bilal ascending the Ka'bah and calling for prayer) saying that Allah honored Usaid (his father) having not heard such words. The Prophet (peace be upon him) approached and assisted by Divine Revelation told them that he learned about what they had spoken of. Al-Harith and ‘Itab, taken by surprise, immediately professed Islam and bore witness that Muhammed is the Messenger of Allah (peace be upon him), adding that “We swear by Allah that none had been with us to inform you.”

    Now Muhhamad offers no way to Remove my sins.
    Yes he did; the way to remove sins is from repentance and good deeds:

    The Prophet said: 'One who repents from sin is like one who has no sin.' (Sunan Ibn Mâjah, Mu'jam At-Tabarânî)

    The Prophet said: 'Be mindful of Allah wherever you are, and follow up a bad deed with a good one and it will erase it. And behave towards all people in the best manner.' (Musnad Ahmad, Sunan At-Tirmidhî)

    since Adam and Eve where tempted In The Garden and we where born into sin, Can you agree Sin seperates Man from God? (Thats an added Question if you please)
    Adam and Eve repented from their mistake and God forgave them:
    20:121-122. ...Thus did Adam disobey his Lord, so he erred. Then his Lord chose him, and turned to him with forgiveness, and gave him guidance.

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    Was Muhammad A True Prophet.

    The Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) said:
    "Surely I was sent to perfect the qualities of righteous character" [Musnad Ahmad, Muwatta Mâlik]


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    Re: Was Muhammad A True Prophet.

    I think it is Fair That I am only 1 man. So 1 man Answers my Questions.
    Then we can discuss I question at a time. Whereas 5 of more posters Reply I am debating with 5 and not 1. This causes Problems on a Forum.
    Hope you understand.
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    I think the bigger question should be is Jesus was God how come he turned away that Caananite women just because she wasn't a jew and called her a dog. If he was God why were other messengers more successful in spreading their message...if Muhammad(S) isn't a prophet why is it thatthe Quran contains so many scientific miracles given to a man from 1400 years ago....scientists agree to that one...what's up with the Bible Being in third person?

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    Re: Was Muhammad A True Prophet.

    Peace, Let me start of with a LINK! CHECK IT OUT THIS TIME IT WILL HELP YOUR CLOUDED MIND InshAllah [God-willing]...

    http://www.islamicboard.com/comparat...ily-bible.html

    Well I Thank-you for all your replies. Although none of you have Answered my Direct Questions. Instead it seems I have been swarmed with hyperlinks directing me to other websites and Insults.
    Lol, You’re a rather humorous ol’ codger, My dear brother in humanity, as always I very much doubt you have read the posts and links provided by my brothers/sisters, such a shame…Can you please also state who insulted you and present the evidence for it…I would be sincerely grateful as of yet I have seen nothing by polite manners and a very weak argument from your behalf


    1, Does muhammed offer any way of me getting to go to heaven.? Q1. This is a Simple yes/no Reply. (Not wonderful deeds.)
    Yesh, Allah knows everything

    my Refutal.
    The Bible came before the Quran:
    And I give unto them eternal life;and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand.
    1 John 10:28
    That’s a very weak argument, What is that supposed to prove?, Your contradicting yourself and going off-topic, this isn’t like you…Of course, Allah has given us free will to choose between right and wrong and on Yawmuddin [Day of Judgment/Ressurection] we will be told everything we done in this world…So what if the Bible came before the Quran?, The Bible, Torah, Psalms and Quran were all sent down to mankind as a blessing and guidance to mankind. But like all the scriptures [except al-Quran] The Bible has been altered and words manipulated. The followers of these scriptures after the compilation made many additions and words were distorted. If you analyze the text clearly it is visible that alterations have been made and there are many contradictions, if you have any decent ones that regarding Islam feel free to post them up although many have been debunked and refuted…

    These things have I written unto you that believe on the name of the Son of God; that ye may know that ye have eternal life, and that ye may believe on the name of the Son of God.
    1 John 5:13
    Hold your horses, this is rather contradictory is it not? One verse states him as the Son of God whilst the other declares him as the Lord...Correct me if I am wrong…Also how can he be the Lord if he died for three days? What happened to the World? Did that stop aswell? Surley it cant function without the power of God?

    For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.
    Romans 6:23
    *Sighs*..This Life is a blessing but also a test and again I put a emphasis on it this time, On the day of Judgment Allah will ask all that we have done in this Dunya and surely that will be our FINAL exam which will decide whether we enter HELL/HEAVEN

    And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal.
    Matthew 25:46
    Indeed, the souls who had bad conduct and the disbeliveers will suffer in Hell and the righteous will endure eternal bliss in Jannatul Firdous [Heaven], InshAllah [God-willing] that is the abode for the pious servants of Allah…



    2, Did muhammad do any Miracles? Q2.
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    Dearest brother in humanity, if you read the site you might even attain some Islamic knowledge and you might find the verses you see... Your using the statement below to bring about a somewhat competition but nay there most definitely is no competition between the Prophets [Peace & Blessings be upon them all]…JazakAllah Khair Breda Ansar for that, Allah reward you for your efforts Ameen and hope that’s enough Mikey…

    Jesus performed many miracles all in public including healing people, calming a storm with a command, and raising people from the dead.
    Yes indeed and the Quran acknowledges this. His birth in itself was a miracle SubhanAllah [Glory be to Allah], but this was power given by Allah, the All-Mighty to His Prophet Is’aa [Jesus]…The Quran fully explains in Surah Al-Imran the birth and the miracles of Jesus.

    Is’aa [Pbuh] was like any other; a Prophet sent as guidance to mankind...

    “We have sent a messenger to every nation. Serve Allah [Alone] and turn aside from false gods.” [16:36]

    3, Did muhammad predict anything that come to pass? Q3
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    Yes, There are many things, if you look through ah-hadeeth you can find several extracts where the Prophet [Pbuh] speaks about future signs, there are many regarding the signs of Qiyaama, and signs relating to that which are present today, If you wish me to tell you the link for that I would happily do so, but you don’t like links eh, cause someone’s a bit of lazy to bother reading them *eyes rolly*…Again Ansar has covered many signs which have come to pass, do ask nicely if you wish to hear about anymore
    But the prophet, which shall presume to speak a word in my name, which I have not commanded him to speak, or that shall speak in the name of other gods, even that prophet shall die. And if thou say in thine heart, How shall we know the word which the Lord hath not spoken? When a prophet speaketh in the name of the Lord, if the thing follow not, nor come to pass, that [is] the thing which the Lord hath not spoken, [but] the prophet hath spoken it presumptuously: thou shalt not be afraid of him.
    Deuteronomy 18:20-22

    I believe that man was created perfectly in the image of God,
    and when he sinned, mankind incurred both physical and spiritual death; thus man became eternally separated from God and is incapable of providing redemption
    for himself.
    “Allah! There is none worthy of worship except Him, the Living and the Ever Lasting! Slumber does not overtake Him nor does sleep, whatever is in the Heavens and in the Earth belongs to Him. Who is there to plead to Him except with His permission? He knows what lies before them and what is behind them, while they grasp nothing of His knowledge except what He may wish. His authority extends over the Heavens and Earth; Preserving them both does not overburden Him. He is the Sublime, the Exalted”

    We are not made in the image of God, Verily Allah has the best attributes, we are not worthy of them and it is considered a sin [shirk: associating partners with Allah] to even begin to think we are that sublime…Allahu Akbar [Allah is the greatest]

    Now Muhhamad offers no way to Remove my sins. Since Adam and Eve where tempted In The Garden and we where born into sin, Can you agree Sin seperates Man from God? (Thats an added Question if you please)
    Why do you think he was sent by Allah?..SubhanAllah the Prophet [Pbuh] taught mankind how to expiate ones sins i.e. through repentance [prayer] and du’aa [supplication]…He taught man how to pray and seek the forgiveness of Allah [swt]…When the world came into being Allah [swt] decreed that His mercy overcame his anger

    Ibn ‘Abbas reported that the Prophet [Pbuh] said: Whoever adheres to seeking Allah’s forgiveness will be one for whom Allah will create a way out of every difficulty, for whom Allah will relieve every anxiety and for whom Allah will supply provisions from sources that he could never imagine.

    “In fact, Allah loves those who turn unto Him [seeking His forgiveness]” [Surah al-Baqarah, 2:222]

    And That we are Indeed Brothers and sisters, and Im Sorry If I sound like I am criticising your belief. But my Intentions are only to Agree on truth. I feel we should all know this for those who wish to turn towards Islam.
    No Thank you for taking your time out to express yourself but I feel your arguments to be very weak and we all know Islam is the best hehe…Indeed I await the response of the more knowledgeable brothers and sisters to refute your argument

    May God guide to to whats right and shower His blessings upon you Ameen
    Regards Maz x
    Last edited by x Maz x; 06-29-2006 at 02:47 PM.
    Was Muhammad A True Prophet.

    Ya Muslimeen
    Ya Mu’meneen
    Open up your eyes
    Aim for the ultimate prize
    Which is paradise
    Allah’s laws
    By definition has no flaw
    So why do we pause?
    Tell me what’s the cause
    Hold your applause
    Takbir!!!!!
    Allahu Akbar
    ~I$lAm Z!nDaBaD~ BrAp BrAp


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