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    Someone asked me, how can you believe something you can't see. He doesn't have faith because having worked as a cop for 17 yrs. what would you say to that?

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    Re: Believing something you can't see

    tell him its all about faith. some people have it some people dont, the unlucky ones dont have it.. may allah guide them. give him dawah, it maybe wil benefit him and wil benefit u 2 go on n on 4 ages so he agrees that der is a God
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    Re: Believing something you can't see

    He knows it is all about faith. He just wishes he had some.
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    Re: Believing something you can't see

    How does he know wind exists? Certainly, we see the effects of the wind as it blows through the trees and grass. But we can't actually see the wind. So, does it not exist?

    The same for God. We see His effects everywhere in our lives, but we don't see Him.

    I've always liked this story -

    Imam Abu Hanifa was a great arguer. The khalifa at the time was visited by a group of atheists who wanted to debate about the existence about God. So the khalifa set up a time for the atheists to meet with Imam Abu Hanifa. They waited and waited for Abu Hanifa and he did not show up. Right when they were about to leave, Abu Hanifa entered. So he told a story of what happened. He said he had to catch the ferry and it never came and while he was waiting the branches of a tree broke off. The leaves from this tree came off and formed rope and tied together the branches making a raft. The atheists thought of him as crazy. ...

    Abu Hanifa says who is more crazy one who thinks that a boat is created by itself or the entire world is created by itself?
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    Re: Believing something you can't see

    tell him 2 research init, and mayb go 2 da local mosque chat 2 da imam etc
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    Re: Believing something you can't see

    I agree. But He says that there is no evidence that is God who created the world. No evidence that he did either.
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    Re: Believing something you can't see

    yeh n datz wher faith n belief comes in. if he wishes he had some faith then he got 2 start somewher innit..
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    Re: Believing something you can't see

    Faith doesn't just appear over night though.
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    Re: Believing something you can't see

    yeah like i said tel him 2 research, find out about Islam etc.. lol
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    Re: Believing something you can't see

    Just ask him, 'Yo, My Main Man, waasupppppppp, when you arrive at a scene of a crime, you see a dead body, blood trailing from the bathroom and broken furniture, but you don't see anyone else there, would you think there was a culpurate?

    He be like 'DARRRRRRRRRRRRn SKippy'

    Then you be like 'Well why would you think that? I mean there aint noone you can see or hear!'

    He be like 'Well, it is illogical to think that, a person is killed with a shot in the head in the bathroom, and then drags himself, while dead, all the way to the living room, I can't see who done it, I don't know, but logic tells me someone did do it, it's impossible for the wound to be self inflicted'

    Then you be like 'Wham Bam, Shabang, darn detective you impressive, so why would you believe that although the universe and earth are so maticulously planned out, with all the grativational pulls being so nicely spaced, and the sun being so close and so far, not enogh to burn us nor to let us go too cold...and so on and talk to him about all that.

    Then, he should think about it like that.

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    After the grave and the Day, in paradise in bliss upon a reclined seat.

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    Re: Believing something you can't see

    lol y does that sound american 2 me ^
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    Re: Believing something you can't see

    format_quote Originally Posted by MusLiM 4 LiFe View Post
    lol y does that sound american 2 me ^
    I dont know sorry, I apologyse, I jus thought cop and american, where you from I'll make it into ur dialect. InshaAllah.
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    After the grave and the Day, in paradise in bliss upon a reclined seat.

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    Re: Believing something you can't see

    Faith only comes when we open our hearts to the possibility that there is 'something else out there'. As long as people keep their hearts and minds shut, God cannot or will not force himself on them.
    Opening their hearts even to the possibility that God exists, requires people to admit their own needs and weaknesses.
    For some that's more than they can handle ... as may be the case with this tough I'm-not-scared-of-anything-cop!

    People often develop the ability to find faith at times when things are so hard that they have to admit their weaknesses and cry out to God for help!

    This guy's moment may yet come ... in God's timing!

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    Re: Believing something you can't see

    I actually believe everybody has faith in something. Sadly, some people have become hardened and only have faith in their own abilitites. They know what their capabilities and limitations are and that is where their faith stays.

    Yet, often without realising it they will step into an automobile, have faith that the engineer who designed it knew what he was doing, the assembly line workers did everything correctly, the metal it is made of has no flaws, they have faith in the driving ability of other people where they do not fear, somebody who can't drive is going to hit them. But, they can not seem to turn loose and have Faith in Allah(swt)

    I think it is safe to say that nobody deliberatly rejects faith, nor does anybody find it by looking for it. It has to come just with the experience of seeing that somebody is in control, or else all of creation would be chaos.

    Faith can not be forced into a person and it is not something that is taught. It is stumbled across and found. Fortunatly, Allah(swt) gives us many opportunities to stumble across it, we just need to recognise it when we see it.
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    Re: Believing something you can't see

    format_quote Originally Posted by Woodrow View Post
    Faith can not be forced into a person and it is not something that is taught. It is stumbled across and found. Fortunatly, Allah(swt) gives us many opportunities to stumble across it, we just need to recognise it when we see it.
    I agree.
    I have heard these being referred to as 'God's windows of opportunity'.
    Rather an appropriate description, I thought.
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    May God help me.
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    Re: Believing something you can't see




    I think you should give him this link to checkout insha'Allaah:


    http://www.beconvinced.com


    It's really beneficial and useful insha'Allaah.


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    Re: Believing something you can't see

    format_quote Originally Posted by Fi_Sabilillah View Post



    I think you should give him this link to checkout insha'Allaah:


    www.beconvinced.com


    It's really beneficial and useful insha'Allaah.


    I don't seem to be able to open the link, Fi_Sabilillah.
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    Re: Believing something you can't see

    format_quote Originally Posted by Fi_Sabilillah View Post
    Nope, I get an 'operation timed out while trying to contact site' message.
    Could it be a very busy site?
    I'll try again another time ...

    Thanks anyway
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    Here I stand.
    I can do no other.
    May God help me.
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