As has been shown in the previous chapter, the Biblical scriptures, both New and Old Testaments, are unreliable sources and cannot, therefore, be used as an authentic means of knowing the truth about the man called Jesus Christ or about his mission and message. However, a close examination of these scriptures in the light of Qur’aanic verses will reveal some of the truths about Jesus that have survived in the Bible.
A Messenger
Throughout the Qur‘aan, Jesus is identified fundamentally as a Messenger of God. In Chapter as-Saff (61):6, God quotes Jesus as follows:
“And [remember] when Jesus, son of Mary, said: ‘O Children of Israel, I am the messenger of Allaah sent to you, confirming the Torah [which came] before me.”
There are many verses in the New Testament supporting the messengership / prophethood of Jesus. The following are only a few: In Matthew 21:11, the people of his time are recorded as referring to Jesus as a prophet: “And the crowds said, ‘This is the prophet Jesus of Nazareth of Galilee.’ ” In Mark, 6:4, it is stated that Jesus referred to himself as a prophet: “And Jesus said to them, ‘A prophet is not without honour, except in his own country, and among his own kin, and in his own house.’ ” In the following verses, Jesus is referred to as having been sent as a messenger is sent. In Matthew 10:40, Jesus was purported to have said: “He that receiveth you receiveth me, and he that receiveth me receiveth him that sent me.” In John 17:3, Jesus is also quoted as saying: “And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent.” [1]
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A Man
The Qur’aanic revelation not only affirms Jesus’ prophethood, but it also clearly denies Jesus’ divinity. In Chapter al-Maa’idah, (5): 75, God points out that Jesus ate food, which is a human act, obviously not befitting to God.
“The Messiah, Son of Mary, was no more than a messenger and many messengers passed away before him. His mother was exceedingly truthful, and they both ate food. See how I have made the signs clear for them, yet see how they are deluded.”
There are numerous accounts in the New Testament which also deny Jesus’ divinity.
For example, in Matthew 19:17, Jesus responded to one who addressed him as “O good master”, saying: “Why callest thou me good? There is none good but one, that is God.” If he rejected being called “good”, [2] and stated that only God is truly good, he clearly implies that he is not God.
In John 14:28, Jesus was saying: “The Father is greater than I.” By stating that the “Father” is greater than himself, Jesus distinguishes himself from God. Also in John 20:17, Jesus told Mary Magdalene to tell his followers: “I ascend unto my Father and your Father; and to my God and your God.” Jesus’ reference to God as “my Father and your Father” further emphasizes the distinction between himself and God. Furthermore, by referring to God as “his God”, he left no room for anyone to intelligently claim that he was God.
Even in some of the writings of Paul, which the Church has taken to be sacred, Jesus is referred to as a “man”, distinct and different from God. In 1st Timothy, 2:5, Paul writes: “For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus.”
There are also verses in the Qur‘aan which confirm Prophet Muhammad’s humanity, in order to prevent his followers from elevating him to a divine or semi-divine status, as was done to Prophet Jesus. For example, in Chapter al-Kahf (18):110, Allaah instructs the Prophet Muhammad (e) to inform all who hear his message:
“They ask you about the Final Hour: 'When will its apointed time be?’ Say: ‘Knowledge of it is with my Lord. None can reveal its time besides Him.’ ”
In the Gospel according to Mark 13:31-32, Jesus is also reported to have denied having knowledge of when the final hour of this world would be, saying: “Heaven and the earth shall pass away but my word shall not pass away, but of that day or hour no man knoweth, neither the angels in the heaven nor the Son but the Father.” One of the attributes of God is omniscience, knowledge of all things. Therefore, his denial of knowledge of the Day of Judgement is also a denial of divinity, for one who does not know the time of the final hour cannot possibly be God .[3]
An Immaculate Conception
The Qur‘aan confirms the Biblical story of Jesus’ virgin birth. However, in the Qur‘aanic account of Jesus’ birth, Mary was an unmarried maiden whose life was dedicated to the worship of God by her mother. While she was worshipping in a place of religious seclusion, angels came and informed her of her impending pregnancy.
“When the angels said: ‘O Mary, indeed Allaah gives you glad tidings of a Word from Him, whose name will be the Messiah, Jesus the son of Mary. He will be honored in this world and the next and will be of those close to Allaah.’ ” Qur’aan, (3):45
“She said: ‘O my Lord, how can I have a son when no man has touched me?’ He said: ‘Even so—Allaah creates what He wishes. When He decrees something, He only has to say to it: “Be!” and it is.’ ” Qur’aan, (3):47
However, the Qur’aan clarifies that Jesus’ virgin birth did not change the state of his humanity. His creation was like the creation of Aadam, who had neither father nor mother.
“Surely, the example of Jesus, in Allaah’s sight, is like that of Aadam. He created him from dust and said: ‘Be!’ and he was.” Qur’aan, (3):59
The Miracles
The Qur‘aanic account of Jesus’ ministry confirms most[4] of his miracles mentioned in the Bible and identifies some not mentioned in the Bible. For example, the Qur‘aan informs that Jesus was a messenger of God from his birth, and his first miracle was speaking as a child in the cradle. After Mary had given birth to Jesus, people accused her of fornication. Instead of responding to their accusations, she pointed to her newly born child:
“[When] she pointed to him, they asked, ‘How can we talk to a child in the cradle?’ He [Jesus] said: ‘Indeed, I am a servant of Allaah. He gave me the scripture and made me a prophet.’ ”
Qur’aan, (19):29-30
Among his other miracles of bringing the dead back to life, healing lepers, and making the blind see, the Qur‘aan records another miracle not mentioned in the Bible. Prophet Jesus fashioned birds out of clay, blew on them and they flew away, living birds. But the point which is emphasized throughout the Qur‘aan is that whenever Jesus performed a miracle, he informed the people that it was by God’s permission. He made it clear to his followers that he was not doing the miracles by himself, in the same way that the earlier Prophets made it clear to those around them.
Unfortunately, those who claim divinity for Jesus, usually hold up his miracles as evidence. However, other prophets were recorded to have done the same or similar miracles in the Old Testament.
Jesus fed 5,000 people with five loaves of bread and two fishes.
Elisha fed 100 people with twenty barley loaves and a few ears of corn (II Kings 4:44)
Jesus healed lepers.
Elisha cured Naaman the leper (II Kings 5:14).
Jesus caused the blind to see.
Elisha caused the blind to see (II Kings 6:17&20).
Jesus raised the dead.
Elijah did the same (I Kings 17:22). So did Elisha (II Kings 4:34). Even Elisha’s bones could restore the dead (II Kings 13:21).
Jesus walked on water.
Moses and his people crossed the dead sea (Exodus 14:22).
There are also texts in the New Testament which confirm that Jesus did not act on his own. Jesus is quoted in John 5:30, as saying: “I can of mine own self do nothing...” and in Luke 11:20, as saying, “But if I with the finger of God cast out devils, no doubt the Kingdom of God is come upon you.” In Acts 2:22, Paul writes: “Men of Israel, hear these words: Jesus of Nazareth, a man attested to you by God with mighty works and wonders and signs which God did through him in your midst, as you yourselves know...”
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God is the one that said, "This my beloved Son..." God didn't say "begotten son" He said Beloved Son, and that we should listen to Jesus His Son. We do not call Jesus a partner of God; We call Him the Son of God; He is the author and finisher of our faith.
The son and the father. That is two Gods not one. If Jesus was the son then he must have a mother who is the mother of God (Mary). That is three Gods not one. There is no such thing as two or three in one. This illogical fallacy does not work. This is also the main reason why so many Christians are leaving your religion each day and even you know in the back of your mind that this just does not make any sense. How long will you ignore these doubts for? Surely they will continue to plague your mind. Open your mind and heart to the truth:
And they say, 'The All-merciful has taken unto Himself a son.' You have indeed advanced something hideous. The heavens are well nigh rent of it and the earth split asunder, and the mountains well nigh fall down crashing for that they have attributed to the All-merciful a son; and it behooves not the All-merciful to take a son. None is there in the heavens and earth but he comes to the All-merciful as a servant. (19:88-93)
People of the Book, go not beyond the bounds in your religion, and say not as to God but the Truth. The Messiah, Jesus, son of Mary, was only the Messenger of God, and His Word that He committed to Mary, and a spirit from Him. So believe in God and His Messengers, and say not, 'Three'. Refrain. better is it for you. God is only One God. Glory be to Him — that He should have a son! To Him belongs all that is in the heavens and in the earth, God suffices for a guardian.
The Messiah will not disdain to be a servant of God, neither the angels who are close to Him. Whosoever disdains to serve Him and waxes proud. He will assuredly muster them to Him, all of them.
As for the believers, who do deeds of righteousness, He will pay them their rewards in full, and He will give them more, of His bounty; as for them who disdain and wax proud, them He will punish with a severe punishment, and they shall not find for them, apart from God, a friend or helper. (4:171-3)
The son and the father. That is two Gods not one. If Jesus was the son then he must have a mother who is the mother of God (Mary).
Well, that is what the Catholics have done; they made Mary the mother of God, but that is not what the Bible teaches. What the Bible teaches is the way it is for us Christians.
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That is three Gods not one. There is no such thing as two or three in one. This illogical fallacy does not work.
The Bible does not teach us there are three gods. It states that God is one. Jesus doesn't say "I am God worship me" but He does allude to His deity. The Bible states that Jesus is the Word of God. God's word is not His partner or another god any more than my word is my partner or two of me. The Bible states that God is Spirit, It also teaches us that God is Holy; therefore He is the Holy Spirit. He is one. The Lord our God is one. Why God has chosen to make His word and Holiness distinct persons I don't know or understand. No Christian knows the answer and they will look silly trying to explain just like it would be difficult for you to explain how God always was or how He never had a beginning or end or how he can see the past, present and the future at the same time. Athiest will same the same as you "This illogical fallacy does not work" but they would be wrong just as you are now, because what is not possible with man is possible with God.
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Everyone expect a father from every fellow man. In fact, everyone expect a father from every man than they expect arms/legs/head on every body. So everyone knows that son-father are more one than the body and its composing parts.
Catholic Faith is just more honest. Samething for motherhood. Everyone knows that mothers don't create, yet some people pretend that 'mother of God' means 'creator of God'. Again, a question of honesty.
"Happy the nation that knows the cry of praise! They will walk in the light of your presence, Lord,
and rejoice in your name all the day – for you are the splendour of their strength,
and by your good will our standard is held high." Ps.88
Well, that is what the Catholics have done; they made Mary the mother of God, but that is not what the Bible teaches. What the Bible teaches is the way it is for us Christians.
The Bible does not teach us there are three gods. It states that God is one. Jesus doesn't say "I am God worship me" but He does allude to His deity. The Bible states that Jesus is the Word of God. God's word is not His partner or another god any more than my word is my partner or two of me. The Bible states that God is Spirit, It also teaches us that God is Holy; therefore He is the Holy Spirit. He is one. The Lord our God is one. Why God has chosen to make His word and Holiness distinct persons I don't know or understand. No Christian knows the answer and they will look silly trying to explain just like it would be difficult for you to explain how God always was or how He never had a beginning or end or how he can see the past, present and the future at the same time. Athiest will same the same as you "This illogical fallacy does not work" but they would be wrong just as you are now, because what is not possible with man is possible with God.
Your bible says this:
John 17:3
Now this is eternal life: that they know you, the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom you have sent.
Notice how the Father is being referred to as THE ONLY TRUE GOD. Thus, we are required to restate the formulation of the Trinity as follows:
- The Father is the only true God.
- The Son is truly God.
- The Holy Spirit is truly God.
This is logically impossible. How is it possible for the Father to be the ONLY true God, while at the same time the Son and Holy Spirit are God as well?
If the Son and Holy Spirit are God as well, then it is false to say that the Father is the ONLY true God. Similarly, if we say that the Father is the ONLY true God then we can't say that anyone else (i.e. Son and Holy Spirit) is God as well.
It would also be ludicrous for someone to reformulate the Trinity as follows:
- The Father is the only true God.
- The Son is the only true God.
- The Holy Spirit is the only true God.
Since it would be necessary for atleast two of the above three statements to be false. It is not possible for any one of the persons (Father, Son or Holy Spirit) to be the ONLY true God at the same time when the other two are God as well.
Thus, in light of John 17:3 we see that the concept of Trinity is logically incoherent.
Sure, you Christians can redefine the Trinity in a way that it could be make sense, but the problem with this would be that their understanding of the Trinity is not scripturally based. It would only be the product of your human thoughts. However, in light of the Bible with it being authoritative to most Christians we can safely say that the Trinity is logically incoherent. It is not simply a matter of it being beyond our logic, but AGAINST our logic. If it is AGAINST our logic then that means that it is a false belief.
Muslims, thank Allah Almighty that you are blessed to be following a rational religion - ISLAM
When truth is hurled at falsehood , falsehood perishes. because falsehood by its nature is bound to perish [21:18- Holy quran]
So in your eyes are Catholics deviants? Do you deem them as out of the fold of Christianity for their beliefs?
How much percentage of Christianity do "Biblical Christians" make up?
I was once Catholic. Of course Catholics are considered as part of the percentage of Christianity, but they have adopted a lot of paganism, and therefore corruption has snuck in, but they are trying to reform. I would say IMO, 40-50% of Christanity is made up Catholics and 30-40% protestant and 20-25% Christian cults. So I would say there is only 10% Biblical Christians that were like Jesus' disciples. Bascially true Christianity or Christians are way out numbered by true Muslims.
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This is logically impossible. How is it possible for the Father to be the ONLY true God, while at the same time the Son and Holy Spirit are God as well?
If the Son and Holy Spirit are God as well, then it is false to say that the Father is the ONLY true God. Similarly, if we say that the Father is the ONLY true God then we can't say that anyone else (i.e. Son and Holy Spirit) is God as well.
It would also be ludicrous for someone to reformulate the Trinity as follows:
- The Father is the only true God.
- The Son is the only true God.
- The Holy Spirit is the only true God.
Show me where it says that in the Bible. You can't; can you? You haven't heard me say that either. So, aren't you barking up the wrong tree addressing me with this comment? The Bible doesn't say Jesus is the father and the father is Jesus the Son. But the Bible does say God is Spirit; and since we all agree that God is Holy; we conclude that God is the Holy Spirit. That is only one God. Jesus, one can agrue is the only true word of God from a Biblical perspective. But no where does the Bible state there are 3 gods. Jesus said. "... the Lord our God is one." I will stick to that.
Please don't associate unto to me anything I haven't said or that is not explicitly written in the Bible concerning God. I don't know anything more than what is stated in the Script concerning this mystery. If you say the Bible explaination of God is not logical, well, I would agree, but nothing about God's deity is logical to me such as His power to know everything is not logical or to make a universe that has no end and to create life from dust and clay or light and fire. So please don't play the logic card with us Christians and try to see the Bible through our eyes like I am trying to see the Quran through yours to understand.
Evidence of who Jesus is is stated in His words!
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Tell us Burning light where Jesus "explicitly" states in the Bible that he is the son of God?
He does not! But God "explicitly" calls Him His son from heaven in an audible voice in front of witnesses and Jesus implicity states He is God's son. I hope that answers your question
Tell us Burning light where Jesus "explicitly" states in the Bible that he is the son of God?
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He does not!
Thank you that has answered my question and you are absolutely correct GOD and Jesus do NOT state ANYWHERE that Jesus was the son of God. You accuse Catholics of that which you yourself are guilty of committing which is clear paganism. If such a concept was true then WHY has NO Prophet ever mentioned of it? Why would God never mention such a "fundamental" concept? Why would Jesus himself not mention such a thing?
The simple fact is that this "fundamental" concept has no basis and no proof in the Bible because it is just not mentioned ANYWHERE, so how can you blindly believe such a concept? Imagine if you took your case to court to try and prove such a concept, the judge and jury would laugh at you. There is no foundations for such a concept in the words of ANY Prophet, God or Jesus.
Open your eyes. How long will you be able to ignore this for? It will continue eating away at you. You only have one life. Then find the truth. Open your heart to Islam. Look into the Qur'an and you will find the light of truth therein.
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Thank you that has answered my question and you are absolutely correct GOD and Jesus do NOT state ANYWHERE that Jesus was the son of God. You accuse Catholics of that which you yourself are guilty of committing which is clear paganism.
I am glad you agree, but did you read all of what I said? You seem to have missed the part where I said that God called Jesus His son explicitly.
format_quote Originally Posted by Hamza Asadullah
The simple fact is that this "fundamental" concept has no basis and no proof in the Bible because it is just not mentioned ANYWHERE, so how can you blindly believe such a concept? Imagine if you took your case to court to try and prove such a concept, the judge and jury would laugh at you. There is no foundations for such a concept in the words of ANY Prophet, God or Jesus.
You need to go back and read what I wrote. I can back up what I said with Scriptures.
format_quote Originally Posted by Hamza Asadullah
Open your eyes. How long will you be able to ignore this for? It will continue eating away at you. You only have none life. Then find the truth. Open your heart to Islam. Look into the Qur'an and you will find the light of truth therein.
I appreciate your zeal, but it is not according to Biblical knowledge
I am glad you agree, but did you read all of what I said? You seem to have missed the part where I said that God called Jesus His son explicitly. You need to go back and read what I wrote. I can back up what I said with Scriptures.
Yes and in the Hebrew Bible, God called other prophets His sons too. This is because in the Hebrew tradition, this term was used in the metaphoric sense only. Therefore, literal translation of this term may have actually led to the misinterpretation of the reality of Jesus and other teachings in Christianity. According to many narrations, Jesus himself called himself a ‘son of man’ rather than ‘son of God’ (Bible, Luke 9:22) and rebuked those who called him so (Bible, Luke: 4:41).
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I appreciate your zeal, but it is not according to Biblical knowledge
Nor is anything that you said backed up by the original teachings of Jesus and God himself. You do not have any solid foundations for your baseless assertions regarding Jesus being the son of God for BHebrew Scholars have confirmed that Jesus was only referred to as a Prophet. Even the Dideche confirmed this.
“And I fell at his feet to worship him. But he said to me, 'See that you do not do that! I am your fellow servant, and of your brethren who have the testimony of Jesus. Worship God! For the testimony of Jesus is the spirit of prophecy.'”(Revelation 19:10). - Proving he was a Prophet and NOT GOD!
How long will you continue trying to fool yourself? Clearly what you believe is not consistant with the teachings of Jesus or God but that of Paul. How will you continue to reconcile the fact that you know in the back of your mind that God cannot have a partner and this is confirmed by the EXPLICIT words of Jesus and God himself:
"And God spoke all these words, saying: 'I am the LORD your God, who brought you out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of bondage. You shall have no other gods before Me."(Exodus 20:1-3).
Deuteronomy chapter 6 verses 4 and 5:
"Hear, O Israel! the Lord our God, the Lord alone. You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your strength."
Matthew chapter 4 verse 10 it reads:
Jesus said to him:
"Go away Satan! for it is written: 'Worship the Lord your God, and serve only Him'."
Serve ONLY HIM, not serve his "alleged" son.
"But you shall destory their altars, break their sacred pillars, and cut down their wooden images (for you shall worship no other god, for the LORD whose name is Jealous, is a jealous God)..." (Exodus 34:13-14).
This will keep eating away at you my friend until you accept the truth. Ho long will you keep denying the truth when it is staring you in the face?
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Reject Paul the liar for the Bible proves that you must reject such people who claimed to have dreamt of that which ascribes partners to God:
"If there arises among you a prophet or a dreamer of dreams, and he gives you a sign or a wonder, and the sign or the wonder comes to pass, of which he spoke to you, saying, 'Let us go after other gods' - which you have not known - 'and let us serve them,' you shall not listen to the words of that prophet or that dreamer of dreams, for the LORD your God is testing you to know whether you love the LORD your God with all your heart and with all your soul. You shall walk after the LORD your God and fear Him, and keep His commandments and obey His voice; you shall serve Him and hold fast to Him. But that prophet or that dreamer of dreams shall be put to death, because he has spoken in order to turn you away from the LORD your God, who brought you out of the land of Egypt and redeemed you from the house of bondage, to entice you from the way in which the LORD your God commanded you to walk. So you shall put away the evil from your midst. If your brother, the son of your mother, your son or your daughter, the wife of your bosom, or your friend who is as your own soul, secretly entices you, saying, 'Let us go and serve other gods,' which you have not known, neither you nor your fathers, of the gods of the people which are all around you, near to you or far off from you, from one end of the earth to the other end of the earth, you shall not consent to him or listen to him, nor shall your eye pity him, nor shall you spare him or conceal him; but you shall surely kill him; your hand shall be first against him to put him to death, and afterward the hand of all the people. And you shall stone him with stones until he dies, because he sought to entice you away from the LORD your God, who brought you out of the land of Egypt, from the house of bondage. So all Israel shall hear and fear, and not again do such wickedness as this among you." (Deuteronomy 13:1-11).
He has confirmed by his own words that Jesus CANNOT be God alongside God himself. There is no such thing as 2 in 1. How can such a thing exist when it is not supported by ANY teaching of any Prophet, nor was it ever taught by Jesus and nor was it ever taught by God.
Reject Paul the liar for the Bible proves that you must reject such people who claimed to have dreamt of that which ascribes partners to God:
"If there arises among you a prophet or a dreamer of dreams, and he gives you a sign or a wonder, and the sign or the wonder comes to pass, of which he spoke to you, saying, 'Let us go after other gods' - which you have not known - 'and let us serve them,' you shall not listen to the words of that prophet or that dreamer of dreams, for the LORD your God is testing you to know whether you love the LORD your God with all your heart and with all your soul. You shall walk after the LORD your God and fear Him, and keep His commandments and obey His voice; you shall serve Him and hold fast to Him. But that prophet or that dreamer of dreams shall be put to death, because he has spoken in order to turn you away from the LORD your God, who brought you out of the land of Egypt and redeemed you from the house of bondage, to entice you from the way in which the LORD your God commanded you to walk. So you shall put away the evil from your midst. If your brother, the son of your mother, your son or your daughter, the wife of your bosom, or your friend who is as your own soul, secretly entices you, saying, 'Let us go and serve other gods,' which you have not known, neither you nor your fathers, of the gods of the people which are all around you, near to you or far off from you, from one end of the earth to the other end of the earth, you shall not consent to him or listen to him, nor shall your eye pity him, nor shall you spare him or conceal him; but you shall surely kill him; your hand shall be first against him to put him to death, and afterward the hand of all the people. And you shall stone him with stones until he dies, because he sought to entice you away from the LORD your God, who brought you out of the land of Egypt, from the house of bondage. So all Israel shall hear and fear, and not again do such wickedness as this among you." (Deuteronomy 13:1-11).
I don't know if you realize this, but Christians respect Paul as much as Muslim do Muhammad. Paul does not say there is more than one God. He knows God is one!
Nor is anything that you said backed up by the original teachings of Jesus and God himself. You do not have any solid foundations for your baseless assertions regarding Jesus being the son of God for BHebrew Scholars have confirmed that Jesus was only referred to as a Prophet. Even the Dideche confirmed this.
“And I fell at his feet to worship him. But he said to me, 'See that you do not do that! I am your fellow servant, and of your brethren who have the testimony of Jesus. Worship God! For the testimony of Jesus is the spirit of prophecy.'” (Revelation 19:10). - Proving he was a Prophet and NOT GOD!
You quote that out of context. And the angel said[b] to me, “Write this: Blessed are those who are invited to the marriage supper of the Lamb.” And he said to me, “These are the true words of God.” 10 Then I fell down at his feet to worship him, but he said to me, “You must not do that! I am a fellow servant[c] with you and your brothers who hold to the testimony of Jesus. Worship God.” For the testimony of Jesus is the spirit of prophecy.
It wasn't Jesus telling him not to worship Him; it was an angel. You won't find Jesus telling anyone that. In fact, he never stopped anyone that fell at his feet!
I don't know if you realize this, but Christians respect Paul as much as Muslim do Muhammad.
Finally!
Muslims respect Muhammad (saw) because he was prophet of God, so now you are admitting that christians regard paul as a prophet.
Good!
we are starting from a good base.
Now, Paul taught these principles of christianity that was NEVER taught by Jesus (pbuh) or by ANY previous prophets (pbut):
Trinity
Salvation
Blood atonement
Baptism
So, are you trying to follow actual Jesus (pbuh) teaching which is to worship One God, forgiveness given by God without any price to pay, or are you following paul's teaching of a three-in-one god, salvation, god's blood to pay for human sins etc.
Revelation 2:2 I know thy works, and thy labour, and thy patience, and how thou canst not bear them which are evil: and thou hast tried them which say they are apostles, and are not, and hast found them liars:
The book of James was written for the trial of Paul at the church of Ephesus. the trail that Jesus spoke about in Revelation 2:2 where Paul was found to be a heretic and was expelled.
Paul also fails the testing of a true prophet of God found in Deuteronomy 13:1-10. Paul teaches people away from the need for "keeping God laws" any more.
Yeshua "Jesus" passes the testing of a true prophet of God found in Deuteronomy 13:1-10. Jesus primary ministry doctrine is for everyone to always keep the commandments of God. This is also a major theme throughout the Bible for everyone to always keep the commandments of God.
You quote that out of context. And the angel said[b] to me, “Write this: Blessed are those who are invited to the marriage supper of the Lamb.” And he said to me, “These are the true words of God.” 10 Then I fell down at his feet to worship him, but he said to me, “You must not do that! I am a fellow servant[c] with you and your brothers who hold to the testimony of Jesus. Worship God.” For the testimony of Jesus is the spirit of prophecy.
It wasn't Jesus telling him not to worship Him; it was an angel. You won't find Jesus telling anyone that. In fact, he never stopped anyone that fell at his feet!
I never said that particular statement was Jesus. But clearly he confirms tge testimony of Jesus to be that of Prophecy NOT that of a deity or partner of God.
Clearly Jesus DID stop others from worshipping other than God. Why are you sd o eager to worship a man who spent his whole life trying to stop others from.worshipping other than God?
Why have you chosen to ignore all the other verses in my post which prove that Jesus and God himself taught NEVER to ascribe partners with God but to ONLY worship ONE God?
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