i kno this may sound like a stupid question or may have been asked before but i just wanted to know.
What is the proof from the bible that Jesus isnt a muslim? I mean he forbade pork, worshipped one God, ok he did consume whine but so did the muslims until it was forbidden so via revelation.
Whats the proof that jesus wasnt muslim?
PS: This is just to help me understand something a bit better
Last edited by IbnAbdulHakim; 10-24-2006 at 06:04 PM.
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My tears testify that i have a heart
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What is the proof from the bible that Jesus isnt a muslim? I mean he forbade pork, worshipped one God, ok he did consume whine but so did the muslims until it was forbidden so via revelation.
Whats the proof that jesus wasnt muslim?
Forgive me if I sound stupid - here's how I understand it:
Jesus may well have behaved in some respects like a Muslim, but he wouldn't have been given that label until several centuries later, when the concept of Islam as a force on the world stage really began.
Forgive me if I sound stupid - here's how I understand it:
Jesus may well have behaved in some respects like a Muslim, but he wouldn't have been given that label until several centuries later, when the concept of Islam as a force on the world stage really began.
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You dont sounds stupid at all .
You see islamic belief is that islam was around since the time of Adam. Monotheism is basically islam, to truelly believe and worship one God. So i cant find one single thing which proves that jesus wasnt a muslim. It may very well be because i have done extremely little research, that is why im asking now.
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My tears testify that i have a heart
yet i feel me and shaytan never part
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Wasn't I born a Muslim? I thought everyone was. You only become a non-muslim when you don't accept Islam.
Any one can make baseless claims that no evidence can be produced.
I can claim little green men come to me in my dreams. No one can disprove it.
Therefore it is true.
lol, yes your right, little green men can indeed come into your dreams. I see no reason why they cant.
Also i seriously see nothing which defies Jesus's islam from everything i heard so far. If you read the bible, he never ever says "worship me", or "i am God" or the like.
So i seriously wonder where "christianity" came from because as you know "islam" and "Muslim" is mentioned in the Quran quite a lot and christianity never appears in the bible...
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My tears testify that i have a heart
yet i feel me and shaytan never part
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That is because Christianity did not exits.
Just like Islam didn't exits. That is why you don't see Islam in the Bible.
We are rapidly aproaching circular logic.
That is slightly incorrect. You and every person is born upon the 'Fitrah' which is the natural state of man. I.e. If a person were to be raised away from all religions and all external influences he would be strictly monotheistic.
Proof of this is the fact that there were people in the pre-Islamic age that lived in Arabia and were not idolators and they strictly believed in One God. They werent Jews or Christians either, but 'Hanifs' that worshipped only One God.
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That is because Christianity did not exits.
Just like Islam didn't exits. That is why you don't see Islam in the Bible.
We are rapidly aproaching circular logic.
bible wasnt in arabic, otherwise im sure we would have found the word islam in there
lol you giggly schoolgirl (IM SRY I CUDNT RESIST)
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My tears testify that i have a heart
yet i feel me and shaytan never part
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Monotheism is basically islam, to truelly believe and worship one God.
using this definition you make Judaism and Christianity also "Islam". And Bahai. And maybe Hinduism. Words have their meanings. "Islam" means Islam. "Monotheism" monotheism, and it has broader meaning than "Islam". When we mix meanings, discussion is a bit more difficult
i have done extremely little research, that is why im asking now.
ask as much as you wish. I bet all "local" christians will be more than happy to answer
If you read the bible, he never ever says "worship me", or "i am God" or the like.
Oh...our God is a humble one
you are simply asking "why christians believe He was God?", aren't you? We had this discussion more than once here. If you are still interested in it, then ok - we may have it once more
So i seriously wonder where "christianity" came from because as you know "islam" and "Muslim" is mentioned in the Quran quite a lot and christianity never appears in the bible...
it appear 3 times in Bible. Firstly in Acts (book about what have happen with disciples after Jesus death and resurrection) 11;26
The disciples were called Christians first at Antioch.
So it was a nickname given to us.
Last edited by duskiness; 10-24-2006 at 06:57 PM.
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bible wasnt in arabic, otherwise im sure we would have found the word islam in there
lol you giggly schoolgirl (IM SRY I CUDNT RESIST)
Schoolgirl. Wrong on two counts.
Since the bible is perfect. I to am sure that if it was in Arabic, it would have fortold the comming of Islam 1400 years later.
using this definition you make Judaism and Christianity also "Islam". And Bahai. And maybe Hinduism. Words have their meanings. "Islam" means Islam. "Monotheism" monotheism, and it has broader meaning than "Islam". When we mix meanings, discussion is a bit more difficult
I think there is need of clarification here. Islamic Monotheism is different from your definition of Monotheism. Islamic Monotheism is extremely strict on the fact that no one is worthy of worship except God. It negates worshipping anything or anyone except God and affirms that only God is worthy of Worship. And God is only One.
Under Islamic Montheism, chrisitians are polytheists due to their associationism of Jesus Christ and the Holy Spirit along with God. Furthermore they are polythiests because they took their Monks and priests as Lords beside God, obeying them in what they made lawful and/or unlawful whereas this right only belongs to God and His Messenger.
Hindus are polytheists. There is no question about that. They worship that which they create with their own hands.
If you read the bible, he never ever says "worship me", or "i am God" or the like.
There are several passages in the gospel, in which Jesus gives hints to his divinity. Remember that it was not his intention to make people 'worship him' until he had accomplished his purpose.
But I cannot demonstrate Jesus' divinity, unless you can credit the Bible with some authority.
My guess is that you cannot, therefore it is pointless to even have this conversation.
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If the bible went with along with the trail of logic, it would be easy for us to reflect on it - even if we didn't believe it was revelation/inspiration. This is what scripture is supposed to do, similarly some non muslims who read the qur'an become muslims due to it's logic.
May i ask, how come jesus (peace be upon him) never asked people to worship him, if he was God anyway?
Peace.
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format_quote Originally Posted by IbnAbdulHakim
What is the proof from the bible that Jesus isnt a muslim? I mean he forbade pork...
Just to say, Biblically speaking, Jesus did not forbid pork.
format_quote Originally Posted by duskiness
He was Jew.
He could have been a Jew and Muslim. Being Jew doesn't disprove his Muslim side. Peace be upon him.
Jus to sum up, by asking what proof is there that Jesus is not muslim I hope you don't think you will convince anyone to think he was, am just wondering.
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There is no way that anything can be disproven. We know the definition of Muslim. The Bible indicates that Isa(as) followed the 5 articles of faith so I would say that the Bible offers some verification that Isa(as) was a Muslim.
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