In another thread, the issue came up about a youth’s who had a hand cut off for stealing.
There may not have been any truth to this but it did start me thinking of God and His standards of justice.
Did God set a standard with, an eye for an eye, tooth for tooth etc.?
In fact, in the story of cane and Abel we see God even allowing mercy for murder. Showing that even an eye for an eye may be too much punishment.
What does Allah say and how does it compare to what Muslim standards are today?
an eye for an eye is the standard in matters where this is possible-acceptable?-, mercy and forgiveness are also part of it too, since we are instructed to forgive as well.
an eye for an eye is the standard in matters where this is possible-acceptable?-, mercy and forgiveness are also part of it too, since we are instructed to forgive as well.
Thanks for this.
Does that mean that the ideas or laws of cutting off limbs no longer exist?
Does that mean that the ideas or laws of cutting off limbs no longer exist?
Regards
DL
Not really. I mean, cutting off limbs punishment can still apply (though the requisites are huge, deliberately so) but it is not and never has been the only punishments; prison sentences, compensation etc can be used also.
Someone said to the Prophet, "Pray to God against the idolaters and curse them." The Prophet replied, "I have been sent to show mercy and have not been sent to curse." (Muslim)
Not really. I mean, cutting off limbs punishment can still apply (though the requisites are huge, deliberately so) but it is not and never has been the only punishments; prison sentences, compensation etc can be used also.
It really depends on the case though.
What was your last case of a lose of limb?
In the west, the treatment of Gays is, I think over reported, to be harsh to the point where your homophobia as compared to the Christian one is more extreme. Up to the point of death. Is this so?
The issue of women also is overdone, IE. the new laws in Afghanistan where women are to be locked in the home and MUST service the husband on demand. Do you hold a view on this issue? I know that there are different sects to Islam and wonder if this type of law is across the board, so to speak.
Sect or no sect, you can't bound the woman in the home like shes a criminal. She doesn't "have" to service to the husband but she does it to please God.
*Without Allah, without Islam, life would be meaningless. If I've ever learned patience, it's because of this. Alhamdulillah...*
Sect or no sect, you can't bound the woman in the home like shes a criminal. She doesn't "have" to service to the husband but she does it to please God.
Not sure what you mean here.
Are you saying that the sect is wrong in terms of God wish?
How does sexual submission to a demanding husband please God/Allah? I did not think that God/Allah had concerns as to how often a man is gratified.
note that those are usually tribal/local laws, not ones based on/in agreement with Islamic principles necessarily.
Should Islam not denounce them then?
Is Islam as fractures as Christianity? Most have one wife, some have as many as can be afforded. Some venerate Mary, some not and on and on.
I note that no one has spoken to my question of Gays.
Sorry if I hit a nerve.
I still do not have an example to the issue of amputated limbs.
It will be hard to compare the standards of justice if issues are to be ignored.
I note that no one has spoken to my question of Gays.
Sorry if I hit a nerve.
Homosexuality is a sin - as it is in chirstainity and Judiaism.
Do you think the pious don't sin?
They merely:
Veiled themselves and didn't flaunt it
Sought forgiveness and didn't persist
Took ownership of it and don't justify it
And acted with excellence after they had erred - Ibn al-Qayyim
How does sexual submission to a demanding husband please God/Allah? I did not think that God/Allah had concerns as to how often a man is gratified.
works both ways - not just one way.
Do you think the pious don't sin?
They merely:
Veiled themselves and didn't flaunt it
Sought forgiveness and didn't persist
Took ownership of it and don't justify it
And acted with excellence after they had erred - Ibn al-Qayyim
They merely:
Veiled themselves and didn't flaunt it
Sought forgiveness and didn't persist
Took ownership of it and don't justify it
And acted with excellence after they had erred - Ibn al-Qayyim
They merely:
Veiled themselves and didn't flaunt it
Sought forgiveness and didn't persist
Took ownership of it and don't justify it
And acted with excellence after they had erred - Ibn al-Qayyim
Are you saying that the sect is wrong in terms of God wish?
How does sexual submission to a demanding husband please God/Allah? I did not think that God/Allah had concerns as to how often a man is gratified.
Regards
DL
Please explain where in my post I said any of that?
The issue isnt of sect or w/e u wana call it. Women arent obligated to do anything, infact the Prophet(saw) used to do most of the house chores himself. Many Muslims are not representative of that as u can tell. For instance she doesnt "have" to clean/cook but she does it because she is rewarded for her patience. Whatever we do, we do to please God. The husband is considered the provider of the household, since he goes out of the home to provide for himself and his family, ensuring they have a decent livelihood, so it would only make sense that the woman takes care of the house in his absence. But even the husband should help out still. Men and women, whe nthey r married should cooperate with one another, not oppressing each other.
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*Without Allah, without Islam, life would be meaningless. If I've ever learned patience, it's because of this. Alhamdulillah...*
LOL. I haven't been keeping track of muslim-country punishments so can't say. But, I was speaking theoretically in my previous post.
In the west, the treatment of Gays is, I think over reported, to be harsh to the point where your homophobia as compared to the Christian one is more extreme. Up to the point of death. Is this so?
First off; it's only punishable if any sexual act has occurred and if there have been witnesses to the event (this is again deliberately difficult to prove due to the considerably harsh punishments).
Again; it is not the only punishment and it can be swayed depending on the case. It is not a ''look there is a homo, let's kill him'' kind of deal as certain folk would have you believe.
The issue of women also is overdone, IE. the new laws in Afghanistan where women are to be locked in the home and MUST service the husband on demand. Do you hold a view on this issue? I know that there are different sects to Islam and wonder if this type of law is across the board, so to speak.
Regards
DL
There is no law in Sharia to keep women locked in the home and/or service husband on demand. This being said, laws can and do change depending on the social norms of a country and muslim countries are no different. For example; if there is an underpopulation of women to men (say, 1:3), then polgynous marriages may be outlawed in that specific country (simply because there are not enough females).
Another example is: if the economy of a country is in really bad shape, say due to a war or famine, then the theft punishments may be completely eradicated (until the economy kicks start again).
The principle of Sharia is justice and peace in a society; so we are allowed to 'go against' the teachings in certain extreme eventualities in order to achieve that.
Now, coming back to your question: I myself don't know enough about Afghanistan's socio climate so cannot tell you what that law is based on; I'm assuming it's because there is a war going on (due to the nature of this particular war, where indiscriminate killing is rife) and they don't want their women/civilians to die (sort of like a curfew), although I could be completely wrong as this is just a stab in the dark from a person who has very little knowledge on that country.
Someone said to the Prophet, "Pray to God against the idolaters and curse them." The Prophet replied, "I have been sent to show mercy and have not been sent to curse." (Muslim)
Sect or no sect, you can't bound the woman in the home like shes a criminal. She doesn't "have" to service to the husband but she does it to please God.
Other than menstration and recovery from childbirth where relations are prohibited. Can a woman ever tell her husband no? Say if she is just too tired or ill or can he just take what he thinks is rightfully his anyway? I understand that a couple should make each other available for the other, even the Bible tells married Christians not to defraud one another except by mutual consent and fasting and prayer for a brief time. My husband and I abstained during Lent which is a period of 40 days, but if I say no, my husband knows it means no. We have laws in America against marital rape.
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