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    In The Name Of Allah, Most Gracious and Most Merciful

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    Is there a Creator ?!


    We will answer by quoting a number of aayaat (verses) from the Book of Allaah (the Qur’aan – the scripture of Islam), then you can think to yourself about the matter and if the truth becomes clear to you, you will have no choice but to follow it. Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning):

    “We created you, then why do you believe not?
    Then tell Me (about) the human semen that you emit.
    Is it you who create it (i.e., make this semen into a perfect human being), or are We the Creator?
    We have decreed death unto you all, and We are not unable,
    To transfigure you and create you in (forms) that you know not.
    And indeed, you have already known the first form of creation (i.e., the creation of Adam). Why then do you not remember or take heed?
    Tell Me! The seed that you sow in the ground.
    Is it you that make it grow, or are We the Grower?
    Were it Our Will, We could crumble it to dry pieces, and you would be regretful (or left in wonderment),
    (Saying), ‘We are indeed Mughramoon (i.e., ruined, or lost the money without any profit, or punished by the loss of all that we spent for cultivation, etc.)!
    ‘Nay, but we are deprived!’
    Tell Me! The water that you drink,
    Is it you who cause it from the rainclouds to come down, or are We the Causer of it to come down?
    If We willed, We verily could make it salt (and undrinkable). Why then do you not give thanks (to Allaah)?
    Tell Me! The fire which you kindle,
    Is it you who made the tree thereof to grow, or are We the Grower?
    We have made it a Reminder (for the Hell-fire, in the Hereafter); and an article of use for the travellers (and all others, in this world).
    The glorify with praises the Name of your Lord, the Most Great.
    So I swear by mawaaqi’ (setting to the mansions, etc.) of the stars (they traverse),
    And verily, that is indeed a great oath, if you but knew,
    That (this) is indeed an honourable recital (the Noble Qur’aan).” [Quran 56:57-77]


    Were they created by nothing, or were they themselves the creators?
    Or did they create the heavens and the earth? Nay, but they have no firm Belief. Or are with them the treasures of your Lord? Or are they the tyrants with the authority to do as they like?” [Quran 52:35-37]


    “Verily, the creation of the heavens and the earth, and in the alternation of night and day, and the ships which sail through the sea with that which is of use to mankind, and the water (rain) which Allaah sends down from the sky and makes the earth alive therewith after its death, and the moving (living) creatures of all kinds that He has scattered therein, and in the veering of winds and clouds which are held between the sky and the earth, are indeed aayaat (proofs, evidences, signs) for people of understanding.” [Quran 2:164]


    “It is He Who sends down water (rain) from the sky, and with it We bring forth vegetation of all kinds, and out of it We bring forth green stalks, from which We bring forth thick clustered grain. And out of the date-palm and its spathe come forth clusters of dates hanging low and near, and gardens of grapes, olives and pomegranates, each similar (in kind) yet different (in variety and taste). Look at their fruits when they begin to bear, and the ripeness thereof. Verily! In these things there are signs for people who believe.” [Quran 6:99]


    “And it is He Who sends the winds as heralds of glad tidings, going before His Mercy (rain), till when they have carried a heavy-laden cloud, We drive it to a land that is dead, then We cause water (rain) to descend thereon. Then We produce every kind of fruit therewith. Similarly, We shall raise up the dead, so that you may remember or take heed.” [Quran 7:57]


    “Is not He (better than your gods) Who created the heavens and the earth, and sends down for you water (rain) from the sky, whereby We cause to grow wonderful gardens full of beauty and delight? It is not in your ability to cause the growth of their trees. Is there any god with Allaah? Nay, but they are a people who ascribe equals (to Him)!” [Quran 27:60]


    “He has created the heavens and the earth without any pillars that you see, and has set on the earth firm mountains, lest it should shake with you. And He has scattered therein moving (living) creatures of all kinds. And We send down water (rain) from the sky, and We cause (plants) of every goodly kind to grow therein.” [Quran 31:10]


    And the two seas (kinds of water) are not alike, this fresh, sweet and pleasant to drink, and that saltish and bitter. And from them both you eat fresh tender meat (fish), and derive the ornaments that you wear. And you see the ships cleaving (the sea-water as they sail through it), that you may seek of His Bounty, and that you may give thanks.” [Quran 35:12]


    And it is He Who has let free the two seas (kinds of water), one palatable and sweet, and the other salt and bitter, and He has set a barrier and a complete partition between them.” [Quran 25:53]


    This is a selection of clear aayaat that include the answer to your question. We invite you to join the community of the believers and to enter the religion of Islam which Allaah has chosen as the religion for all mankind. Peace be upon those who follow true Guidance.
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    Re: Is there a Creator ?


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    Re: Is there a Creator ?

    The paradox is:

    Who created the creator?
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    Re: Is there a Creator ?

    Astaghfirulaa!


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    Cool Re: Is there a Creator ?

    format_quote Originally Posted by Jannah
    Astaghfirulaa!


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    I totally agree sis!! :applaud:

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    Re: Is there a Creator ?


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    format_quote Originally Posted by root
    The paradox is:

    Who created the creator?
    That's an ancient one. And it's not a paradox at all, because why does the Creator need to be created?

    God is the uncaused cause. As one theist writes:
    But some may ask, "But who created God?" But the answer is that by definition He is not created; He is eternal. He is the One who brought time, space, and matter into existence. Since the concept of causality deals with space, time, and matter, and since God is one who brought space, time, and matter into existence, the concept of causality does not apply to God since it is something related to the reality of space, time, and matter. Since God is before space, time, and matter, the issue of causality does not apply to Him.

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    Re: Is there a Creator ?

    But some may ask, "But who created God?" But the answer is that by definition He is not created; He is eternal. He is the One who brought time, space, and matter into existence. Since the concept of causality deals with space, time, and matter, and since God is one who brought space, time, and matter into existence, the concept of causality does not apply to God since it is something related to the reality of space, time, and matter. Since God is before space, time, and matter, the issue of causality does not apply to Him.
    Him, it her or just God......
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    Re: Is there a Creator ?


    God is genderless, but we tend to refer to God as "Him" because "it" normally refers to inaminate objects, which would be disrespectful.

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    Re: Is there a Creator ?

    God is genderless, but we tend to refer to God as "Him" because "it" normally refers to inaminate objects, which would be disrespectful.
    I understand that. But why not "Her"!
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    Re: Is there a Creator ?

    format_quote Originally Posted by root
    I understand that. But why not "Her"!
    Does it matter root?...............
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    Re: Is there a Creator ?


    format_quote Originally Posted by root
    I understand that. But why not "Her"!
    Its the way the language evolves. "He" can refer to someone of unspecified gender, but "she" cannot (although now people use 'they' to refer to someone of unspecified gender). As the Oxford Dictionary writes:
    Until recently, 'he' was used uncontroversially to refer to a person of unspecified sex, as in: every child needs to know that he is loved
    Since this has been the traditional way to refer to God, any attempt to change it to 'she' would instantly imply the feminin gender, while 'they' would imply plurality. Thus, we leave it as 'He'.

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    Re: Is there a Creator ?

    format_quote Originally Posted by root
    The paradox is:

    Who created the creator?
    Abu Hurayrah (may Allaah be pleased with him) said: the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “People will keep on asking question until someone will say, ‘Allaah created the universe, but who created Allaah?’ Whoever encounters anything like that, let him say, ‘Amantu Billaah (I believe in Allaah).’”
    With regard to the prior existence of Allaah, our Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) has told us about this, for example:

    He (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “O Allaah, You are the First and there is nothing before You; O Allaah, You are the Last and there is nothing after You.” (Narrated by Muslim, 2713)

    He (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “Allaah existed when there was nothing apart from Him.” According to another report: “There was nothing before Him.” (Narrated by al-Bukhaari; the first report 3020; the second report 6982).

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    Re: Is there a Creator ?

    yeah kinda.root I forgot about this..,there was a reason but I forgot.......I hope somebody else knows about it...

    generally we never find Her in a the scriptures(Torah,Bible,Quran)..correct me If I am wrong.....
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    Thanks Guys,

    At least if I ever refer to God as "Him" I can rebuttle any sexist accusations that may come about.....

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    Re: Is there a Creator ?

    format_quote Originally Posted by root
    The paradox is:

    Who created the creator?
    And under what rule and/or principle a "Creator" must be created or must have another creator?

    Let us use your logic and move forward accordingly. The PC, the Internet, the TV and everything (materialistic) around us was created by man, right? So now the question that begs for answer is that "who created" the creator (man)? (notice here, the evolution theory is shot down by defualt).

    So, the answer of this question according to Muslims is that Allah created everything. A Creator does not need creation nor a creator, if He is not benefitting with his creation and/or does not need them. So, what Allah has created, He is not benefitting with that, neither he needs that all. The dependancy is creatures characterstics as, men created everything on the basis of needs and men uses it to live by making the life easy and comfortable.

    When "man" in his limited capacity can create things that he does not need and does not use and/or will not use at all, why a Creator like Allah can't do such a thing? How you take this part of man's capicity as fact, but deny to the Creator (Allah), who has created everything.

    By the way, how it is a "paradox?" You did not provide any supporting fact to establish your claim?
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    Re: Is there a Creator ?

    And under what rule and/or principle a "Creator" must be created or must have another creator?
    to be created means that someone or something had to create it. But then, who created the creator and so on? Logically, this would mean there would be an infinite regression of creators and we would never be able to find the first, uncaused cause since, by definition (the questions says that "everything needs a creator") there wouldn't be any uncaused cause. This would mean that the sequence of creations is eternal. But, if it exists that there is an eternal regression of creators, then who created the infinite regression of creators? Remember, the question presupposes that all things need a creator

    Let us use your logic and move forward accordingly. The PC, the Internet, the TV and everything (materialistic) around us was created by man, right? So now the question that begs for answer is that "who created" the creator (man)? (notice here, the evolution theory is shot down by defualt).
    Not sure I understand your point here, OK so man created the PC & the Internet & TV. So you ask, if man was the creator of the PC then who created "Man". At which point you for some strange reason imply that man too required a creator? (Is this what you mean)

    When "man" in his limited capacity can create things that he does not need and does not use and/or will not use at all, why a Creator like Allah can't do such a thing? How you take this part of man's capicity as fact, but deny to the Creator (Allah), who has created everything.
    OK, let's chage the train of thought slightly. Instead of "all things need a creator." let's suggest "Everything that has come into existence, was brought into existence by something else." It still leaves the paradox that God needed to come into existence to create his creation,
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    Re: Is there a Creator ?

    format_quote Originally Posted by root
    OK, let's chage the train of thought slightly. Instead of "all things need a creator." let's suggest "Everything that has come into existence, was brought into existence by something else."
    A good suggestion!
    It still leaves the paradox that God needed to come into existence to create his creation,
    God never came into existence! If He did, He wouldn't be God!

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    Re: Is there a Creator ?

    exactly.We will know everything someday inshallah.

    off topic: I heard that Mohammad(PBUH) was offered the most beautiful women if he would just shut ,isn't that true?
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    Re: Is there a Creator ?

    format_quote Originally Posted by root
    OK, let's chage the train of thought slightly. Instead of "all things need a creator." let's suggest "Everything that has come into existence, was brought into existence by something else." It still leaves the paradox that God needed to come into existence to create his creation,
    God is existence. The theological IAM.
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    format_quote Originally Posted by Ansar Al-'Adl
    A good suggestion!

    God never came into existence! If He did, He wouldn't be God!



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