I seek refuge in Allah (The One God) from the Satan (devil) the cursed, the rejected
With the name of ALLAH (swt) -The Bestower Of Unlimited Mercy, The Continously Merciful
Assalamu Alaikum Wa Rahmatullahi Wa Barakatuh (May the peace, mercy and blessings of Allah be upon you)
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In the Quran, God directs Muslims to call readers of the Bible back to that true faith.
God have said in the Quran:
Say: “O people of the Book (Christians and Jews)! Come to a word that is just between us and you:
that we shall worship none but God, ]/b]and that we shall [u]associate no partners with Him, and that none of us shall take others as lords beside God.” (Quran, 3:64)
This article1 has been taken from the web site of Br. Shabir Ally, Islam Answers Back, with some editing.
John quotes Jesus as saying: “...the Father is greater than I.” (John 14:28). And Paul declares that the head of every woman is her husband, the head of every man is Christ, and the head of Christ is God (see 1 Corinthians 11:3).
... Peter must have known that Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob never spoke of a Triune God. They always spoke of God as the only God. Here, as in Matthew 12:18, Jesus is the servant of God. Matthew tells us that Jesus was the same servant of God spoken of in Isaiah 42:1.
The Reality of JESUS
1. . God Is All Knowing.....But Jesus Was Not
When speaking of the Day of Judgement, Jesus clearly gave evidence of a limitation on his knowledge when he said, "But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels which are in Heaven, neither the son, but the Father." (Mark 13:32 and Matt. 24:36) But God knows all.
2. God Is All-Powerful.....But Jesus Was Not
While Jesus performed many miracles, he himself admitted that the power he had was not his own but was derived from God when he said, "Verily, verily I say unto you, The Son can do nothing of himself, but what he seeth the Father do..." (John 5:19).
3. God Does Not Have A God.....But Jesus Did Have A God
God is the ultimate judge and refuge for all, and He does not call upon nor pray to any others. But Jesus acknowledged that there was One whom he worshipped and to Whom he prayed when he said, "I ascend unto my Father and your Father, and to my God and your God." (John 20:17).
He is also reported to have cried out while on the cross, "My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me?" (Matt. 27:46). If Jesus were God, then couldn't this be read, "Myself, myself, why hast thou forsaken me?".
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Christ will never be proud to reject to be a slave to God .....holy Quran, chapter Women , 4: 172
by "these" you me me?
I'm not a "born again" (in the meaning you give to this words...) Christian. (btw: why do you think so?).
If that interests you I have Catholic background.
as for "twisting" things - I just wrote about basic dogma of Christianity.
No not you. I mention Born Again Christians because they are the only denomination that see Jesus to be God. I know Christians from my local Church they do not say Jesus is God, but the Son.
Ėk Gusā Alhu Mėrā
The One Lord, the Lord of the World, is my God Allah.
Dhan Guru Arjan Dev Mahraaj Ji!
Kal Meh Bėḏ Atharbaṇ Hū Nā Kẖuḏā Alhu Bẖa.
In the Dark Age of Kali Yuga, the Atharva Veda became prominent; Allah became the Name of God.
I mention Born Again Christians because they are the only denomination that see Jesus to be God.
What about Easter Orthodox, Catholic Church, Anglican Church, Lutherans, Methodists, Reformed, Baptists, Pentecostals.....? the list is long. They all hold that Jesus was God. Believing that Jesus is God is one of most typical beliefs Christians have. Only a few don't believe it. Many Christians also say that you can't be a Christian without believing it!!
I know Christians from my local Church they do not say Jesus is God, but the Son
Father is God, Son is God and Holy Spirit is God. One God. (...that's a bit boring to repeat, but nobody said Trinity is easy ). When we say "Father" we mean "God", when we say "Son" - also, when "Holy Spirit" - the same; we are still speaking about God. One God
unless your "local Christians" are Jehovah Witnesses...
The people walking in darkness have seen a great light; on those living in the land of the shadow of death a light has dawned.
What about Easter Orthodox, Catholic Church, Anglican Church, Lutherans, Methodists, Reformed, Baptists, Pentecostals.....? the list is long. They all hold that Jesus was God. Believing that Jesus is God is one of most typical beliefs Christians have. Only a few don't believe it. Many Christians also say that you can't be a Christian without believing it!!
Father is God, Son is God and Holy Spirit is God. One God. (...that's a bit boring to repeat, but nobody said Trinity is easy ). When we say "Father" we mean "God", when we say "Son" - also, when "Holy Spirit" - the same; we are still speaking about God. One God
unless your "local Christians" are Jehovah Witnesses...
I know they are not Jehovah Witnesses. All though i do like a good old banter wit them when they come knocking. - As for the above mentioned. I don't know. It's just my local church with a vicar. Have no idea what denomination they fall under. I just see them as Christians.
Ėk Gusā Alhu Mėrā
The One Lord, the Lord of the World, is my God Allah.
Dhan Guru Arjan Dev Mahraaj Ji!
Kal Meh Bėḏ Atharbaṇ Hū Nā Kẖuḏā Alhu Bẖa.
In the Dark Age of Kali Yuga, the Atharva Veda became prominent; Allah became the Name of God.
.........It reminds me of an incident where Maulana Rahmatullah Karanvi - he was having a discussion with a Christian missionary, who was trying to prove to Maulana Shahib that ‘Jesus Christ (peace be upon him) is God Almighty, and that Jesus (peace be upon him) died for the sins of human beings’.
After a great deal of time, without any results, the discussion was continued. Later on, the servant of Maulana Shahib, he comes and whispers something in the Maulana’s ears.
The Maulana’s face becomes sad - he starts crying.
The Christian missionary asks, ‘Maulana Shahib, ‘what is the bad news?’.
The Maulana Shahib said in a very sad tone, ‘My servant, he just gave me information, - he brought news, that Arch Angel Gabriel - he died’.
The Christian missionary began to laugh loudly.
‘Maulana Shahib, you being such an intelligent person, how can you believe in such absurd things – Can Angels die?’
The Maulana Shahib said, ‘When God can die, why can’t Angels die?’ And the Christian missionary, without speaking a single word, he left – It is a battle of wits.
Lets discuss – ‘The Concept of Almighty God in Islam’.
The best answer that any one can give you, regarding ‘the Concept of Almighty God in Islam’, is quote to you the Surah of the Holy Qur’an,
Surah Ikhlas, Ch.No. 112, V.No. 1 to 4, which says… (Arabic)…. ‘Say He is Allah, One and only’. (Arabic)…
‘Allah the Absolute and Eternal’. ‘As-Samad’ is a bit difficult to translate - It means, that ‘He exists’, and ‘He has created things, when nothing existed’.
Everything and every person is dependent on Him, but he is not dependent on any person, or anything.
‘As Samad’ – ‘The Absolute and Eternal’ (Arabic….) ‘He begets not, nor is He begotten’,(Arabic….) ‘There is nothing like Him’.
This is a four line definition of Allah Subhana Wa Talaah, which is the touch stone of Theology - Surah Iklas, is the touch stone of Theology.
‘Theo’ in greek means God – ‘Logy’ mean study. ‘Theology’ means study of God.
Surah Ikhlas is the touchstone of Theology.
Christ will never be proud to reject to be a slave to God .....holy Quran, chapter Women , 4: 172
It gives me life.
My world revolves around it, literally.
Most important, it clearly exists, for all to behold.
Seriously though, if you trace the roots of most religions back you will find that most of them are derived from sun worship and seasons. Christianity and Judaism both came out of the region of ancient Egypt and are heavily influenced by the zodiac.
I don't worship Jesus and the Holy Spirit along with God. They are not intermediaries, they are a part of God
Just to point out, as a 'neutral' on this one, that I find the concept of the Trinity reasonable (from a theistic standpoint), easy to understand and happily monotheistic. I really don't understand why muslims have such trouble with it, even if, obviously, they can't agree with it. Three aspects of the same, one, thing - what's the problem?
I don't worship Jesus and the Holy Spirit along with God. They are not intermediaries, they are a part of God ... the One God, whom I love, worship and serve!
Amen.
Peace
umm... im sorry if im misunderstanding but im guessing you either think the allmighty who created the universe in such perfection and holds the heavens and the earths came to earth in a feeble form of a human who ended up dying or you believe that God can seperate himself into three parts and still comes to earth.
im sorry but i see nothing but numerous flaws in this logic, how can this be? please help me understand how you can believe this
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My tears testify that i have a heart
yet i feel me and shaytan never part
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....I find the concept of the Trinity reasonable (from a theistic standpoint), easy to understand and happily monotheistic. ..........what's the problem?
problem is if u write in ur exam script that 3=1 , u will fail in this world ; if u believe in Trinity u will fail in the test of hereafter.
Muslims give much importance on the life hereafter & don't want to fail there , so avoid this concept .
Trinity is called as a mystery. If it's easy to understand , then why it's called as mystery ?:rolleyes: If it's a mystery , then it can not be understand easily .
Do u understand Hindu's Trinity ? One diety was running to save his own life from a man who wanted to kill him , another diety came to rescue him & disguised himself as a beautiful woman & after a trick could save his life.
Do u understand how a diety can be All powerful but unable to save his own life ? laying:
I don't understand this kind of story & miserably failed to swallow Trinity . BTW , do Buddhist believe in God Almighty ? Is Lord Buddha God ?
Christ will never be proud to reject to be a slave to God .....holy Quran, chapter Women , 4: 172
The trinity is nowhere near simple. It confuddles the entire idea of the Jesus story.
Without the trinity, the Jesus story is at least coherent (and copied from earlier mythological stories). It has the Son of the God loving the mortals and sacrificing himself to convince his father to forgive the mortals for their sins. That is a coherent story.
Add the trinity, and now you've got God sacrificing himself to himself to convince himself to change his own mind. It makes absolutely no sense at all. Jesus' sacrifice becomes a mere ritual, and a violent one at that. One has to wonder why God couldn't simply have shouted from the heavens "I forgive, now be good you silly humans!" Apparently God likes the theatrics and having people die.
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