This thread is based on my question in the 'Questions for Sikhs', there is no way we can discuss this without it turning into a debate so I thought I would start a new thread for it.
So from what I understand, sikhs accept the Prophet Muhammad pbuh and the other prophets to be real prophets and that their guru is a prophet too.
But I do not see how this can be so. Prophet Muhammad said plain and clear that he was the last prophet to be sent too all of mankind. How then can you claim that there was a prophet after him? This means you have to reject the what Muhammad pbuh taught.
format_quote Originally Posted by AvarAllahNoor
lol that's like saying why do muslims reject previous other relgions (Judaism Christianity)
Well, Muslims reject their Holy Book because we believe that they have been tampered with and changed over time, so they no longer reflect what the prophets really taught. I assume you must also think this because you reject the concept of the Trinity and that Jesus is the son of God?
We do not reject the the previous religions, rather we totally accept what the prophets taught (which is not necessarily reflected in their Holy Books).
But you do reject Islam. Does this mean that you reject the Holy Quran as being the real thing? Do you think it was tampered? I don't understand how you can accept Muhammad pbuh yet reject his teachings.
format_quote Originally Posted by AvarAllahNoor
Mohammed may have been the last one for Islam.
How can he have been the last one for Islam? Islam is the religion sent to all the prophets! So are you saying that Islam is a real religion and sikhism is a real religion too? Even though their teachings clash?
Also, you mentioned that Sikhism rejects the concept of the Day of Judgement and that Paradise and Hell are only symbolic. This is a direct clash with all three major religions- Judaism, Christianity, and Islam. All three of these religions have records that these things do exist and the prophets taught that they do.
If they are all the prophets of God, why do some prophets teach one thing (btw, if you reject the existence of Paradise/Hell and the Day of Judgement, you are no longer a Muslim), and then your prophets comes and says that no, they do not exist (and he is the only prophet on record who said this)?
Sorry it is so long, please do take the time to reply though.
It's possible. But according to our scriptures their will not be one. Not yet anyway.
I don't know if it says in any of the scriptures although people assume so because they say Guru Gobind Singh Ji appointed Guru Granth Sahib as living guru from then on.
Guru Granth Sahib ji is eternal. Authentic, cannot be destroyed. it cannot die or retake birth. their is no need for any more prophets. Guru Granth Sahib ji is Gods word of humanity. its only when people realise they will see this.
I don't know if it says in any of the scriptures although people assume so because they say Guru Gobind Singh Ji appointed Guru Granth Sahib as living guru from then on.
The Janam Sakhis mention things like the 'Kalki Avtar' but they are not scriptures so what they state needs to be taken with a pinch of salt. The Guru Granth Sahib is the final word of God. Shabad Guru Surt Tun Chela!
Ėk Gusā Alhu Mėrā
The One Lord, the Lord of the World, is my God Allah.
Dhan Guru Arjan Dev Mahraaj Ji!
Kal Meh Bėḏ Atharbaṇ Hū Nā Kẖuḏā Alhu Bẖa.
In the Dark Age of Kali Yuga, the Atharva Veda became prominent; Allah became the Name of God.
baanee guroo guroo hai baanee vich baanee a(n)mrith saarae ||
The Word, the Bani is Guru, and Guru is the Bani. Within the Bani, the Ambrosial Nectar is contained
vaahu vaahu baanee nira(n)kaar hai this jaevadd avar n koe ||
wonderful, wonderful! is the Bani, the Word, of the Formless Lord. There is no other as great as He is.
The Gurbani has always been the Guru.
Blessed, blessed is that tongue, O my soul, which sings the Glorious Praises of the Lord God.
Sublime, pure and pious is that head, O my soul, which falls at the Lords Feet.
Nanak is a sacrifice to those, O my soul, who hear of the Lord, and believe in the Lord's Name.
baanee guroo guroo hai baanee vich baanee a(n)mrith saarae ||
The Word, the Bani is Guru, and Guru is the Bani. Within the Bani, the Ambrosial Nectar is contained
vaahu vaahu baanee nira(n)kaar hai this jaevadd avar n koe ||
wonderful, wonderful! is the Bani, the Word, of the Formless Lord. There is no other as great as He is.
The Gurbani has always been the Guru.
True! - All religions believe the Word was with God, and God is the word. Sikhisms focus is on the Word (contained in the Guru Granth Sahib) Now it would be best for anybody who does not believe it, to read/learn about it before challenging it.
You can't learn, if you don't read.
Ėk Gusā Alhu Mėrā
The One Lord, the Lord of the World, is my God Allah.
Dhan Guru Arjan Dev Mahraaj Ji!
Kal Meh Bėḏ Atharbaṇ Hū Nā Kẖuḏā Alhu Bẖa.
In the Dark Age of Kali Yuga, the Atharva Veda became prominent; Allah became the Name of God.
I came to this world with the mission, The Lord delegated me for righteousness; “Go and spread Dharma here, there and everywhere And defeat the tyrants and evil persons. - Guru Gobind Singh ji,
here is Guru Gobind Singh ji talking of why he has come here.
Blessed, blessed is that tongue, O my soul, which sings the Glorious Praises of the Lord God.
Sublime, pure and pious is that head, O my soul, which falls at the Lords Feet.
Nanak is a sacrifice to those, O my soul, who hear of the Lord, and believe in the Lord's Name.
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