i was under the impression that satan was not an angel. from my past studies i learned that angels have no will of their own and they obey allah swt. So is satan a jinn? and Allah swt created angels from light. someone answer this for me.
Islam says he is a Jinn, Christianity says he was an Angel.
Angels don't disobey Allaah, Men/women and Jinn can.
Behold! We said to the angels, "Bow down to Adam": They bowed down except Iblis. He was one of the Jinns, and he broke the Command of his Lord. Will ye then take him and his progeny as protectors rather than Me? And they are enemies to you! Evil would be the exchange for the wrong-doers!
I once heard it said "The inner most thoughts of the most pure man living today, are sufficient to embarass Shaytan"
If I recall correctly that was paraphrasing something originaly said by Mark Twain and has no Qur'anic source. But, it is something I tend to agree with.
Shaytan is truly out to prevent mankind from worshipping Allah(swt). But, we are the ones who become willing partners with him in our desire to achieve pleasure. Shaytan tempts us to view pleasure as happiness and to seek pleasure over the joy of happiness, that can only come from worshipping Allah(swt)
i have a question what drove Shaytaan to become what he is today?, cause i used to hear that when someone did something wrong it was due to Shaytaan whispering in the persons ear, now what i would like to know is who and what was whispering in the ears of Shaytaan when he had it all and was the nr 1 Jinn ?
was it Pride? is this the reason why it is a sin to feel pride?
i have a question what drove Shaytaan to become what he is today?, cause i used to hear that when someone did something wrong it was due to Shaytaan whispering in the persons ear, now what i would like to know is who and what was whispering in the ears of Shaytaan when he had it all and was the nr 1 Jinn ?
was it Pride? is this the reason why it is a sin to feel pride?
Sister Malaikah posted this earlier bro:
The story of the Devil:
11. And surely, We created you (your father Adam) and then gave you shape (the noble shape of a human being), then We told the angels, "Prostrate to Adam", and they prostrated, except Iblîs (Satan), he refused to be of those who prostrate.
12. (Allâh) said: "What prevented you (O Iblîs) that you did not prostrate, when I commanded you?" Iblîs said: "I am better than him (Adam), You created me from fire, and him You created from clay."
13. (Allâh) said: "(O Iblîs) get down from this (Paradise), it is not for you to be arrogant here. Get out, for you are of those humiliated and disgraced."
14. (Iblîs) said: "Allow me respite till the Day they are raised up (i.e. the Day of Resurrection)."
15. (Allâh) said: "You are of those allowed respite."
16. (Iblîs) said: "Because You have sent me astray, surely I will sit in wait against them (human beings) on Your Straight Path.
17. Then I will come to them from before them and behind them, from their right and from their left, and You will not find most of them as thankful ones (i.e. they will not be dutiful to You)."
18. (Allâh) said (to Iblîs) "Get out from this (Paradise) disgraced and expelled. Whoever of them (mankind) will follow you, then surely I will fill Hell with you all."
Chaper 7 (Quran)
From the above story we know that it was pride and arrogance which made shaytaan turn away from Allaah's commands. shaytaan felt too proud to obey Allaah and this is why he (and those who follow his way) are of the losers.
Shaytaan can't harm us unless Allaah wills, he can't even force us to do sin. However he can whisper to us to do evil so we incline to do that [maybe so it excites our desires etc], but at the end of the day we have the choice of either doing that evil action or turning away from it. This whispering is called waswasa.
Whenever we have the feeling of doing anything evil, we should seek refuge in Allaah by saying a'oodhu billaahi min-ashaytaan-ir-rajeem [I seek refuge in Allaah from the accursed shaytaan] and these evil thoughts will go away. This will have a greater impact on the person depending on their level of faith.
That is an interesting question. No one really answered it.
You just can’t get a simple answer to a simple question. You know, like Yes or No.
The answer I would give is No. I would assume that most if not all, would answer the same.
My question is:
Some people kill for god.
But, do some people kill for Satan?
Do they call out his name as they commit murder?
There may be the odd psycho that does. The kind that hear voices etc. But more often they think they act for good than evil (even if they are truly deranged).
Satan's a slippery scumbag - from my understanding, he's generally considered in theology as giving people just the right nudge they need to unlock the evil within themselves, rather than performing their evil deeds himself through possession or something.
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I have met a few self-proclaimed satanists. To be honest I do not believe they had any concept as to who or what satan is. They struck me more as anti-authority radicals and simply enjoyed the ability to shock other people.
I dunno, all the Goths I knew in college were really nice people...
Attention Goths, I am joking and am not equating you with Satanists. Goths are cool and some write really brilliant vampire stories.
The answer I would give is No. I would assume that most if not all, would answer the same.
I would answer yes. Satan is the one who encourages people to kill others, though he might not carry the knife himself, he is the one who fuels the fire.
My question is:
Some people kill for god.
But, do some people kill for Satan?
Do they call out his name as they commit murder?
Killing for God isn't murder, it is justice.
And I can't imagine why anyone would murder while saying the devils name. Maybe a satanist:rolleyes: , no one else, although it would probably be the devil who fuelled the murder in the first place.
Congratulations! Who does it feel to have won assumption of the week award?:rolleyes:
Where the hell did I say I was talking about OBL?
I was talking about capital punishment.
For example, if you unjustly murder someone, you punishment is to be killed, if the family of the dead wish for that to be your punishment. That is killing for God's sake (in other words, justice).
Congratulations! Who does it feel to have won assumption of the week award?:rolleyes:
Where the hell did I say I was talking about OBL?
I was talking about capital punishment.
For example, if you unjustly murder someone, you punishment is to be killed, if the family of the dead wish for that to be your punishment. That is killing for God's sake (in other words, justice).
You said:
Killing for God isn't murder, it is justice.
OBL kills for god. You say killing for god is justice. The conclusion is obvious.
That is killing for God's sake
For god's sake? God needs people running around killing each other?
Truly:
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