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---- regarding holy Quran & holy Taurat ( Torah ) , It is true that Jews were blessed in the past . When i read the verses regarding the blessings of God on Jews , i feel jealous .

But , Of Course , it does not mean that ALL Jews will go to heaven or no other persons/nations won't be blessed by the God Almighty.


U just can't dismiss a claim that is supported by 2 major holy books . What we can try to tell Jews that pl. learn from the past mistakes.

Jews were blessed & also were punished several times. It's a wonder , how Jews in the past repeatedly disobeyed God , got punishment & again God forgave & blessed them .


If u read Quran , u will find that when Jews told Muslims that no punishment will touch the Jews after death & they will surely enter paradise etc etc , then God sent revealtion to the last Prophet (p) & told him to ask Jews :


The Congregation

Say: O you who are Jews, if you think that you are the favorites of Allah to the exclusion of other people, then invoke death If you are truthful.

[62.6]

Sigh.

You first assert that you cannot fathom how G-d could forgive someone for his sins. Then you make a claim and say it is truth because the Quran said it. The Quran says "O Jews" like it is refering to all people when G-d clearly says and the Jews clearly believe all Jews will not go to heaven.

All Israel has a share in the world to come. As it reads [Is. IX. 21]: "And thy people-they will all be righteous, for ever shall they possess the land, the sprout of my planting, the work of my hands, that I may glorify myself." The following have no share in the world to come: He who says that there is no allusion in the Torah concerning resurrection, and he who says that the Torah was not given by Heaven, and a follower of Epicurus R. Aqiba added, him who reads books of the Hizunim and him who mumbles over a wound, reciting the verse [Ex. xv. 26]: "I will put none of those diseases upon thee, which I have brought upon the Egyptians; for I the L-rd am thy physician." Abba Shaul said: Also he who speaks out the Holy Name with its vocals.
(Sanhedrin 90a)

Salaam/peace;

format_quote Originally Posted by Jayda

hola Muslim Woman,

this is very distressing... these missionaries are
.......................Dios te bendiga

I heard many more allegations against Christian missionaries….don’t know if these are true or rumour.

One is that NGO’s are funded by missionaries. In the school run by NGO’s , they tell Muslim kids to close eyes & ask chocolates from Allah. Then they say , look , did u get it ? Naturally , kids say ‘ no’ .

Then they again tell them to close eyes & this time put chocolates in front of them. Then they ask , now tell us who is more powerful , Allah or Jesus (p) ?



Another allegation is they appoint Muslim women , give them cycle or motor-cycle as office transport , tell them to wear Shirt & Pant (Normally Muslim women don’t wear this dress in a Muslim majority country) . Thus , they are trying to make women shameless .


In disaster time about 1 or 2 years back , I heard , in India , missionaries refused to give food when villagers did not want to convert etc , etc.



If these are false allegations, then I think , Church should try to clarify the matter by publishing Do’s & Dont’s of missionaries in the media ; so that non-Christians can get a clear idea. Also , they can know where to complain if missionaries lies or misuse the money .

the only punishment we are gauranteed freedom from punishment of is Original Sin

-----I read that many Christians believe if anybody dies before confirmation ( ??? or baptism …. forgot the correct word ) , then s/he will go to hell.

So, even if a baby dies , then because of the original sin as s/he was born in sin , will be thrown in to hell.

Salaam/peace;


[email protected]: Jews claim that they are God’s chosen people.
1. How does one convince Jews that God does not indulge in favoritism?

Muslim Woman :.....regarding holy Quran & holy Taurat ( Torah ) , It is true that Jews were blessed in the past .................

format_quote Originally Posted by rav

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Attn: non-Muslims.



Here is commentary of related Quranic verses on Jews . ( I m not writing this post to hurt anyone's feelings....just to make u
understand how Quran described about Jews in the past . )


Before complaining that Quran is harsh on Jews , pl. read Jewish holy Book & see what is there about Jews past sins.
U may visit this link


similarities between Muslims and Jewish holy books


In NT , Jesus (p) also scolded Jews. So , don’t think that only Quran criticised Jews.


Tafsir Ibn Kathir

http://www.tafsir.com/default.asp?sid=62&tid=53775


Admonishing the Jews and challenging Them to wish for Death


Allah the Exalted admonishes the Jews who were entrusted with the Tawrah and were ordered to abide by it. However, they did not abide by it, and this is why Allah resembled them to the donkey that carries volumes of books.


Surely, when the donkey carries books, it will not understand what these books contain because it is only carrying these books using its strength.


This is the example of those who were entrusted with the Tawrah; they read its letter but did not understand its meanings nor abided by them. Rather, they even corrupted and changed the Tawrah.


Therefore, they are worse than the donkey, because the donkey cannot understand. They, on the other hand, could have understood using their minds, but their minds were of no benefit.

This is why Allah the Exalted said in another Ayah,


[أُوْلَـئِكَ كَالأَنْعَـمِ بَلْ هُمْ أَضَلُّ أُوْلَـئِكَ هُمُ الْغَـفِلُونَ]


(They are like cattle, nay even more astray; those! They are the heedless.) (7:179), and said,

[بِئْسَ مَثَلُ الْقَوْمِ الَّذِينَ كَذَّبُواْ بِـَايَـتِ اللَّهِ وَاللَّهُ لاَ يَهْدِى الْقَوْمَ الظَّـلِمِينَ]


(How bad is the example of people who deny the Ayat of Allah. And Allah does not guide the people who are wrongdoers.) Allah the Exalted said,


Say: "O you Jews! If you pretend that you are friends of Allah, to the exclusion of other people, then long for death if you are truthful.'') meaning,


`if you claim that you are on the correct guidance and that Muhammad (p) and his Companions are being led astray, then invoke Allah to bring death to the misguided group among the two, if you are truthful in your claim.'



Allah said, (But they will never long for it, because of what their hands have sent before them!)

meaning because of the disbelief, injustice and sins that they commit, (And Allah knows well the wrongdoers.)


We mentioned this challenge to the Jews before in Surat Al-Baqarah, where Allah said,




(Say: "If the home of the Hereafter with Allah is indeed for you specially and not for others, of mankind, then long for death if you are truthful.''



But they will never long for it because of what their hands have sent forth before them. And Allah is Aware of the wrongdoers. And verily, you will find them the greediest of mankind for life and (even greedier) than those who ascribe partners to Allah.




One of them wishes that he could be given a life of a thousand years. But the grant of such life will not save him even a little from punishment.

And Allah is Seer of what they do.) (2:94-96)


We explained these meanings there, stating that the challenge was for the Jews to invoke Allah to destroy the misguided group, either they or their enemies…….

format_quote Originally Posted by Muslim Woman

Salaam/peace;

I heard many more allegations against Christian missionaries….don’t know if these are true or rumour.

One is that NGO’s are funded by missionaries. In the school run by NGO’s , they tell Muslim kids to close eyes & ask chocolates from Allah. Then they say , look , did u get it ? Naturally , kids say ‘ no’ .

Then they again tell them to close eyes & this time put chocolates in front of them. Then they ask , now tell us who is more powerful , Allah or Jesus (p) ?



Another allegation is they appoint Muslim women , give them cycle or motor-cycle as office transport , tell them to wear Shirt & Pant (Normally Muslim women don’t wear this dress in a Muslim majority country) . Thus , they are trying to make women shameless .


In disaster time about 1 or 2 years back , I heard , in India , missionaries refused to give food when villagers did not want to convert etc , etc.



If these are false allegations, then I think , Church should try to clarify the matter by publishing Do’s & Dont’s of missionaries in the media ; so that non-Christians can get a clear idea. Also , they can know where to complain if missionaries lies or misuse the money .

i think maybe some of the problem is that not all missionaries are Catholic... most Catholic missions are decades or centuries old, they are established schools and hospitals in their communities or established charities. Catholic aid agencies usually handle things like natural disasters or wars, this is not the same as missionary activity since the purpose is not spreading the gospel but instead fulfilling the beatitudes (commandments given by Jesus at the sermon on the mount). they are just charities... rarely do people who benefit from them even find out that it is a Catholic organization, the organizations do not hire Catholics exclusively (but Catholics are greatly encouraged to participate), and there is no accompanying mission theological group.

the thing that really ties them to the Church is that the funding comes from the Church and they are sometimes founded or supported by a particular religious order...

so i am not even sure why a Catholic mission would even be operating in an indian disaster zone, missions are set up to become a long term integrated part of the community... the quick response "bandaids" are the charities but they are focused only on helping the people in that area... very often proselytizing is forbidden since the people running the Charities do not have any background, the governments allowing them in do not allow it, and the Church likes to have complete control over mission activities...

also, the things you are talking about are completely against Church doctrine... not just ad gentes... performing false magic tricks like making chocolate disappear is enticement which breaks ad gentes, and Catholics are not allowed to (seriously) claim to have magical powers (i know it sounds ridiculous to have to say such a thing)... magic is forbidden in the bible and by the Church.

skirts and pants have nothing to do with Catholicism... i am not sure why anybody would do something like that... the Church only says that we must dress modestly, especially on Sundays, and there is a dress code for meeting bishops or the Pope (black) but that is all... things like skirts and pants are cultural to the west but missionaries are commanded and taught to respect and become a part of the culture they are working in.

the rules regulating missionary activity are usually posted with the mission, the office of the legate in charge of international missionary activity, most catholic charities, any local Church and have been published numerous times since Vatican II (which was big international news)... i have worked in many places abroad and i do not think i have ever experienced or heard of the events you are describing... are you sure these are Catholic missions? it seem so shocking, the things they are doing are heretical and the things they are saying are even more heretical i could not even imagine what a horrible person you would have to be to say Christ died so you wont ever be punished for your sins... it is total heresy...

i am suspicious though, it sounds charismatic evangelical (who i do not trust), i have experienced in latin america pentacostals who are attempting to convert Latinos to what they are. they entice starving people with food and promises, and then invite them to their services where they perform magic tricks like public exorcisms and faith healing... which confuse many people who are already ignorant... i have never actually seen them use health care or food deprivation but from what i have seen it would not surprise me.

i have had a very negative opinion of protestants since i saw these things... i feel their charisma is fake, that they ignore christian responsibilities, worship wealth, and make a mockery of serious rites and rituals (like exorcism, which needs cardinal level approval and a very long inquiry before it is even performed, which is a clandestine secret ritual anyway... not a show, and takes much prayer and devotion).

only recently in talking to people like glo and my husband who are both different kinds of protestants has my opinion changed a little... i do not think they are all the same, but there is a very very wicked movement of people that is doing these, pentecostals especially i could never trust or take seriously...

but anyway are you able to find out if this is a Catholic mission doing these things (and if they are indeed not just rumor) i must report them to my bishop immediately so that the Church can open an investigation... i think maybe an email to the CDF (Holy Inquisition) about the things these people are teaching non Catholics would be required too... they might want to open an investigation... these things you are saying are heresy and cannot be taught by representatives of the Church, they must be stopped...

-----I read that many Christians believe if anybody dies before confirmation ( ??? or baptism …. forgot the correct word ) , then s/he will go to hell.

So, even if a baby dies , then because of the original sin as s/he was born in sin , will be thrown in to hell.

baptism is when the original sin is washed away and you are given to God... it is like a mark that means you belong to God. confirmation is what you do when you come of age in the Church and go through a ceremony in which you as an adult elect to remain a member of the Church.

as for Children who die before they can have the opportunity to be baptised the Church teaches this:

As regards children who have died without baptism, the Church can only entrust them to the mercy of God, as she does in her funeral rites for them. Indeed, the great mercy of God, who desires that all men should be saved, and Jesus' tenderness toward children, which caused him to say, 'Let the children come to me, do not hinder them' [Mark 10:14, cf. 1 Tim. 2:4], allow us to hope that there is a way of salvation for children who have died without baptism. All the more urgent is the Church's call not to prevent little children coming to Christ through the gift of holy baptism.

we do not believe God creates life simply for it to be condemned to Hell, regardless of our Original sin and our personal sins throughout our lifetimes, God has always provided an alternative to sin for us to choose... without choices free will means nothing...

for those who for one circumstance or another never get to make this kind of choice we believe God will show them mercy. this also holds true for people who for no fault of their own have never heard the gospels, do not know about God or have never heard of Jesus... that is called invincible ignorance.

Salaam/peace;

format_quote Originally Posted by rav

Sounds like Muhammad was in a rage of jealousy of the Jews when writing those verses.

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Ok , who “ was in a rage of jealousy of the Jews when writing the following verses”?



Listen to this Chapter in Hebrew


http://www.mechon-mamre.org/p/pt/pt35b09.htm



Nehemiah Chapter 9

… But they and our fathers dealt proudly, and hardened their neck, and hearkened not to Thy commandments……


Yea, when they had made them a molten calf, and said: 'This is thy God that brought thee up out of Egypt, and had wrought great provocations; …………………..

and slew Thy prophets

Salaam/peace;

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format_quote Originally Posted by [email protected]

Quote:


All Holy Books have inconsistencies…”Google” Quran inconsistencies

----huh very funny



Do u know Catholic church appointed a Frenchman Dr. Maurice Buccaille a catholic to find faults with Quran & what was the result ?


If u don't know , visit this link.

Story Of Qur'anic Haman. A Curious Pope And His Confessor!



http://www.islamicboard.com/comparat...confessor.html



PS. sorry sis Jayda , i have no intention to hurt ur
feelings

format_quote Originally Posted by Muslim Woman

Salaam/peace;




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Ok , who “ was in a rage of jealousy of the Jews when writing the following verses”?



Listen to this Chapter in Hebrew


http://www.mechon-mamre.org/p/pt/pt35b09.htm



Nehemiah Chapter 9

… But they and our fathers dealt proudly, and hardened their neck, and hearkened not to Thy commandments……


Yea, when they had made them a molten calf, and said: 'This is thy God that brought thee up out of Egypt, and had wrought great provocations; …………………..

and slew Thy prophets

What does that have to do with anything? That is a recollection of what occured. A proof the Tanakh is uncorrupted! The Jews who "corrupted" as you so naivly say, would have erased that part wouldn't they have? I mean, no empire told of its loses in wars, or failures. Yet Israel tells its own.

How about readin on! In chapter 10:

And yet for all this we make a sure covenant, and subscribe it;
(10:1)

Since your into Tanakh text how about reading these:

Jeremiah 3:12 Return, O backsliding Israel, says the L-rd. I will not let My anger rest upon you, for I am pious, says the L-rd; I will not bear a grudge forever.

Jeremiah 31:2 From long ago, the L-rd appeared to me; With everlasting love have I loved you; therefore have I drawn you to Me with loving-kindness. 3. Yet again will I rebuild you, then you shall be built, O virgin of Israel; yet again shall you be adorned with your tabrets, and you shall go out with the dances of those who make merry.

Jeremiah 31:9. Hear the word of the L-rd, O nations, and declare it on the islands from afar, and say, "He Who scattered Israel will gather them together and watch them as a shepherd his flock.

Jeremiah 32:34. So said the L-rd, Who gives the sun to illuminate by day, the laws of the moon and the stars to illuminate at night, Who stirs up the sea and its waves roar, the L-rd of Hosts is His name. 35. If these laws depart from before Me, says the L-rd, so will the seed of Israel cease being a nation before Me for all time. 36. So said the L-rd: If the heavens above will be measured and the foundations of the earth below will be fathomed, I too will reject all the seed of Israel because of all they did, says the L-rd.

The last one is really good -- because Jeremiah clearly says that "if the laws of the moon and stars cease" He will reject Israel.

Have the moon and stars have ceased.

Have the heavens have been measured.

Have the foundations of earth have been fathomed.

If not then G-d has not rejected Israel.

______

Leviticus 26:44
Yet in spite of this, when they are in the land of their enemies, I will not reject them or abhor them so as to destroy them completely, breaking my covenant with them. I am the L-RD their G-d.

1 Samuel 12:22
For the sake of his great name the L-RD will not reject his people, because the L-RD was pleased to make you his own.

Psalm 94:14
For the L-RD will not reject his people; he will never forsake his inheritance.

Isaiah 41:8
8 "But you, O Israel, my servant,
Jacob, whom I have chosen,
you descendants of Abraham my friend,
9 I took you from the ends of the earth,
from its farthest corners I called you.
I said, 'You are my servant';
I have chosen you and have not rejected you.

Zechariah 10:6
6 "I will strengthen the house of Judah
and save the house of Joseph.
I will restore them
because I have compassion on them.
They will be as though
I had not rejected them,
for I am the L-RD their G-d
and I will answer them.


Deuteronomy 4:31 for the L-RD thy G-d is a merciful G-d; He will not fail thee, neither destroy thee, nor forget the covenant of thy fathers which He swore unto them.


Oh wait, only like to quote some parts of the Tanakh? The Talmud tells us about your nature:

And even if he says that the whole Torah is by Heaven except such and such an explanation, such an a fortiori conclusion, such an analogy of expression, they are considered as despising the word of the L-rd.

Salaam/peace;

Muslims all over the world are fasting today ( not compulsory ) & offering special prayer; because we believe on this day God forgave Adam (P) , Jesus (p) was saved from death & raised up , Moses (p) crossed the sea , Abraham (p) was saved from fire etc ,etc.

Karbala tragedy ( death of grandson of Prophet Muhammed pbuh ) is so tragic that other stories are ignored sometimes.

Anyway ,Jews & Christians participants , did u know about that ?

When Adam and Eve(pbut) disobeyed G-d. They both repented and G-d forgave them. I'm guessing thats the only reason that existed.

^^ Lol, I don't know really. I won't attempt to answer otherwise I might give out the wrong info...
Maybe someone else can answer for you

Peace

^^de nada...