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    format_quote Originally Posted by Dawud_uk View Post
    that is what i thought,

    i kept reading though that sikhs reject rituals but yet they are doing rituals and hence my confusion.

    can you pm me any articles on the difference in feeling here between ritual and blind ritual? others have contradicted you that is all.

    but i would say all would say they are against blind ritual without understanding the reasons for it etc. this isnt something particular to sikhi.

    Abu Abdullah

    1 - anDhaa kachaa kach nikach. ||1|| rahaa-o.

    If I am pleasing to Him, then that is my pilgrimage and cleansing bath. Without pleasing Him, what good are ritual cleansings?

    2 - mannai mag na chalai panth.

    The faithful do not follow empty religious rituals.


    3 - manmukh karam kamaavnay ji-o dohaagan tan seegaar.
    The self-willed manmukh performs religious rituals, like the unwanted bride decorating her body.

    Meaningless rituals such as going hajj, bathing in the ganges because this apparently 'cleanses the soul'
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    Re: Significance of Hajj?

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    format_quote Originally Posted by Al Madani View Post
    Yes. Hadith is singular, Ahadith is plural.
    And this is found in the Quran?
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    Re: Significance of Hajj?

    No, the hadiths are not found in the Quran, they are different. The Quran is one thing and the hadiths are another. The Quran is written in one book, and the hadiths are collected in other books.
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    Re: Significance of Hajj?

    format_quote Originally Posted by AvarAllahNoor View Post
    And this is found in the Quran?
    These are basic arabic words, they don't need to be found in the Qur'an! Please stick to the topic.
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    Re: Significance of Hajj?

    format_quote Originally Posted by AvarAllahNoor View Post
    He didnt' touch the Kaaba, instead the Kaaba moved where his feet were. You do that math!!
    Kaabah moving? That must be very dangerous... I wonder how many pilgrims were injured if not dead as the Kaabah was moving...

    Maybe we should search any historical records of Kaabah moving...
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    Re: Significance of Hajj?

    ^LOL! exactly what I thought... something as massive as the Ka'bah, shouldn't someone have been killed?
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    Re: Significance of Hajj?

    In which year Guru Nanak went to Mecca, is it during Hajj period?
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    Re: Significance of Hajj?

    format_quote Originally Posted by north_malaysian View Post
    Kaabah moving? That must be very dangerous... I wonder how many pilgrims were injured if not dead as the Kaabah was moving...

    Maybe we should search any historical records of Kaabah moving...
    I see, now you're mocking Dhan Guru Nanak dev ji eh?
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    Re: Significance of Hajj?

    no, it jus doesnt make sense :X
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    Re: Significance of Hajj?

    format_quote Originally Posted by Tayyaba View Post
    no, it jus doesnt make sense :X
    Neither does the spiltting of the moon by Mohammed, but I don't mock it! :smile:
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    Re: Significance of Hajj?

    format_quote Originally Posted by AvarAllahNoor View Post
    Neither does the spiltting of the moon by Mohammed, but I don't mock it! :smile:
    Using that event shows your bias. The splitting of the moon was recorded by authentic sources. However there exist no authentic sources that say the Kabah moved. Using this is only a display of your ignorance of Islam and your unwillingness to remove that ignorance.
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    Re: Significance of Hajj?

    format_quote Originally Posted by Al Madani View Post
    Using that event shows your bias. The splitting of the moon was recorded by authentic sources. However there exist no authentic sources that say the Kabah moved. Using this is only a display of your ignorance of Islam and your unwillingness to remove that ignorance.
    Authentic to whom? Muslims?

    Sikhs have docomented evidence. By Guru Nanaks closest companion.
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    Re: Significance of Hajj?

    format_quote Originally Posted by AvarAllahNoor View Post
    Authentic to whom? Muslims?

    Sikhs have docomented evidence. By Guru Nanaks closest companion.
    Amazing, one companion can relate everything. So you base your religion on what has been transmitted from one man?
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    Re: Significance of Hajj?

    format_quote Originally Posted by AvarAllahNoor View Post
    Authentic to whom? Muslims?

    Sikhs have docomented evidence. By Guru Nanaks closest companion.
    Amazing, one companion can relate everything. So you base you religion on what has been transmitted from one man?
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    Re: Significance of Hajj?

    format_quote Originally Posted by Al Madani View Post
    Amazing, one companion can relate everything. So you base your religion on what has been transmitted from one man?
    Erm no! - We have various. Would you like to see?
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    Re: Significance of Hajj?

    format_quote Originally Posted by AvarAllahNoor View Post
    Authentic to whom? Muslims?

    Sikhs have docomented evidence. By Guru Nanaks closest companion.

    SPLITTING OF MOON


    * According to the scripture Kalki Avtaar will split the moon.
    Prophet Muhammad (Peace be upon him) showed this miracle 1,400 ago. For reference see

    "The hour drew night and moon rend (split) in twain ..." Holy Quran (54:1-3)


    For more details about moon splitting please study the hadiths of Prophet Muhammad (Peace be upon him) (Volume 4, book 56, number 830-832 and volume 5, book 58, number 209-211)


    According to these hadiths" the people of Makkah asked Allah's Apostle to show a miracle (sign of his Prophecy). So he showed them the moon split in two halves between which they saw the Hiram Mountain"


    There is an interesting tradition in India. Bhoj was an Indian king, there is still city Bhoj on his name in the territory of Kachh (Gujrat). Raja was born after so many years of Bhavish Puran during the time of Prophet Muhammad (PBUH). One night he saw moon splitting in two, he asked the Pundits, they studied the Vedas and Puranas, and told the king that this is the miracle of last prophet, when king asked the signs or descriptions of the Prophet, they told," He will be from the city of peace (Makkah) and will be born in the house of a religious saint, his name will be "Narashansah" (praise one: Muhammad in Arabic), he will have four Khulafa and have 12 wifes ". In search of Narashansah, he came to know that he appeared in Makkah. He met with him and embraced Islam at the hand of prophet Muhammad (PBUH) and prophet gave him the name Abdullah, when he came back to home his family did not accept him. He spend his whole life in remembering Prophet and in worship of one God.


    For reference:

    (Dr. Kamala Kant Tewari's book "Kalyuge Ke Antim Rishi" Page5, he took this from Pundit Dharm Ved Apadhye's book "Antim Ishwar Doot" page 97). So Raja was the first Indian who embraced Islam.

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    Re: Significance of Hajj?

    Kalki Avtaar is hindu thought Sikhi does not believe such a thing. but some do. Nothing in SGGS,
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    Re: Significance of Hajj?

    That's sufficient because it's from another culture and faith.



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    Re: Significance of Hajj?

    format_quote Originally Posted by Fi_Sabilillah View Post
    That's sufficient because it's from another culture and faith.

    Regards.
    But he's to come in the future, Mohammed has been!
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    Re: Significance of Hajj?

    We were talking about Bhavish Puran Kalki Avtaar is also proved on the link which i mentioned earlier:



    NAME OF KALKI AVTAR

    * According to Kalki Puran the name of Kalki Avtar will be "SARWANAMA".
    The meaning of "ANAMA" is praised one and "SARW" mean most of all, so "Sarwanama" means the most praised one and in Arabic language "Muhammad " has the same meaning, if we translate Sanskrit word Sarwanama in to Arabic language it will be "Muhammad" only difference is the language.



    PARENTS OF KALKI AVTAR

    * "He will be born from "SOOMATI" and his father's name will be "VAISHNUVESH"." (Kalki Puran 2, Shloka II)
    VAISHNUVESH and SOOMATI means servant of God (the cherisher) and peace, respectively. Prophet Muhammad father's name was ABDULLAH in Arabic language, which means God's servant, and his mother's name was AMINA in Arabic language, which means peace, so if we translate Sanskrit word "Vaishnuvesh & Soomati" in Arabic language it will be "Abdullah & Amina". So again the difference of language.



    PLACE OF BIRTH

    * "HE will be born at "SHAMBAL GARAM" in VAISHNUVESH'S Brahmin Mahant's (religious saint) respectable house" (Bhagwat Puran, Khand 12, Shloka 18 and Kalki Puran Adhay 2, Shloka 4)

    SHAMBAL mean peace and GARAM mean city or village, so SHAMBAL GARAM means a peace full city or city of peace, and this quality & name has been specified only for Arabia's city "MAKKAH" no other city in the world has been named city of peace. In the Holy Quran this city has been called as "ALBALAD ALAMEEN" which mean peace full city or city of peace. For reference see Holy Quran (14:35) O God, make it (Makkah) a City of Peace". And Makkah is the city where prophet Muhammad (PBUH) born.
    VAISHNU-VESH, Vaishnu is actually God's name and VESH means servant or BHAGAT and man, Vaishnuvesh mean God's servant or God's devotee and in Arabic language ABDULLAH has the same meanings.

    BRAHMIN MAHANT mean religious saint and Makkah's religious and respectable saint was "Hasham", then "Mutlib", then Hasham's son "Abdul Mutlib" became the religious saint of Makkah, who was the grand father of prophet Muhammad (PBUH) and during the period of religious saint Muhammad was born in home of Abdullah son of Abdul Mutlib. In short, Muhammad was born in the respectable tribe of Quraish who enjoyed great respect and high place in Makkah. So according to scripture Kalki Avtar will be born in Brahmin Mahant's (religious saint) respectable family.





    DATE OF BIRTH OF KALKI AVTAR


    * He will be born in the month of Bisakh on 12th day (Kalki Puran Adhay 2, Shloka 15)

    Baisakh is famous month in Hindi, which is still known with this name. According to Hindi calendar Muhammad was born on 12th Baisakh of 628 Bakrami, and this day according to Arabic calendar is 12th Rabiyyyul Awwal. So the date of birth matches with Kalki Avtar.





    THE PERIOD OF KALKI AVTAR


    * Kalki Avtar would ride horse, camel and keep the sword to kill the devil and enemies of religion.


    It mean that Kalki Avtar will be born in the past time when horse and camel were used for riding and sword was being used for fight. And in this period and in the coming future people will use cars, train & planes for riding and guns, missiles will be use for fighting. So it is now useless to wait for Avtar in future. We should not forget that Prophet Muhammad (PBUH) was borne during the time of horse & camel, and he fought with sword during battles against infidels.



    DEATH OF KALKI AVTAR'S PARENTS

    * Kalki Avtar's Father will die before his birth and his Mother will die after few years of his birth. (Kalki Puran, Bhaghwat Puran Khand 12)
    These two indications clearly fit on Prophet Muhammad (PBUH). His Father died few days earlier of his birth and his Mother died when Muhammad was only six year old. For reference please study the life history of prophet Muhammad (PBUH).



    KALKI AVTAR WILL GET WISDOM ON A MOUNTAIN

    * According to Kalki Puran, the Kalki Avtar will receive wisdom or knowledge on a mountain's cave from PERSHURAM (angle).
    As every one knows that Prophet Muhammad (PBUH) was busy in his pray in a cave of mountain "HIRA" and there one day an Angle (Gabriel) appeared and brought the first revelation from God. For reference Holy Quran (96:1) "Read (Prophet Muhammad) with the name of Allah" and he replied " I am not learned" the same indication was given in the Christian's scripture (Isaiah chapter 29 verse 12) " and the book delivered to him that is not learned, saying " Read this", I pray thee: and he said, I am not learned", this is another prove of his prophecy. So prophet Muhammad received his first revelation in the cave of mountain HIRA. And this prediction also fit on him.





    PREACHING, IRRITATION, MIGRATION AND RETURN TO HIS CITY


    * It is further written in the kalki Puran that " Kalki avtar will start his preaching from the city SHAMBHAL GARAM (Makkah: city of peace) which is situated in SALAM DEEP (Jazeeratul Arab), but people of that city will be against him and irritate him, so he will migrate to another city (Madina) which will be covered with mountains. Then after few years, he will be returned to his city with sword and conquer the city and the whole country."

    This prediction also fit on Prophet Muhammad (PBUH). He started his preaching from Makkah (city of peace), which is situated in Jazeeratul Arab (salam deep), when people of Makkah tried to irritate him he migrated towards the city covered with mountains (Madina) with his companions. And after few years he came back with sword and his 10,000 companions and conquered the city Makkah and after that the whole Arab. For reference please study life history of Prophet Muhammad (PBUH) and this incidence is famous with the name of " Fateh Makkah" in the Islamic history.



    A FLYING HORSE FROM GOD

    * He will receive a flying horse from God, which will be faster than lightning. Riding it he will go around earth and seven skies" (Bhagwat Puran Khand 12, Adhay 2, Shloka19-20)
    This prediction is about Kalki Avtar also match with the Incidence of "MIRAJ" For reference see Holy Quran (17.1) and for detail Hadith s of prophet Muhammad (PBUH) regarding Incidence of Miraj. According to these references Prophet Muhammad traveled the seven skies and there he met with previous Prophets, and for this God gave him a horse name BARQ which mean lightning and word Miraj mean height and ladder. Please study life history of Prophet Muhammad (PBUH) for details.






    More are mentioned here:
    http://www.understanding-islam.com/r...ticle&raid=275

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