i kept reading though that sikhs reject rituals but yet they are doing rituals and hence my confusion.
can you pm me any articles on the difference in feeling here between ritual and blind ritual? others have contradicted you that is all.
but i would say all would say they are against blind ritual without understanding the reasons for it etc. this isnt something particular to sikhi.
Abu Abdullah
1 - anDhaa kachaa kach nikach. ||1|| rahaa-o.
If I am pleasing to Him, then that is my pilgrimage and cleansing bath. Without pleasing Him, what good are ritual cleansings?
2 - mannai mag na chalai panth.
The faithful do not follow empty religious rituals.
3 - manmukh karam kamaavnay ji-o dohaagan tan seegaar.
The self-willed manmukh performs religious rituals, like the unwanted bride decorating her body.
Meaningless rituals such as going hajj, bathing in the ganges because this apparently 'cleanses the soul'
Ėk Gusā Alhu Mėrā
The One Lord, the Lord of the World, is my God Allah.
Dhan Guru Arjan Dev Mahraaj Ji!
Kal Meh Bėḏ Atharbaṇ Hū Nā Kẖuḏā Alhu Bẖa.
In the Dark Age of Kali Yuga, the Atharva Veda became prominent; Allah became the Name of God.
For me the hajj rituals are beyond or more than significance,of course one of the sign from Allah s.w.t to proves that Islam is universal.To see the Arabs,Persian,English,Malay,Indon,Chechen,African, Chinese(what else, name it) doing the same the same thing alongside together is sufficient to make me happy or more than happy,who cares about significance.
What a big deal,when we as human like to practice insignificance actions,but as a Muslim we truly know which is prohibitted which is allowed.Then we should ask why did people climbed the Everest?you'll heard many answers.So does the Hajj.One thing not to forget Islam's not forcing its Ummah to death to perform the Hajj rituals,unless mentally and physically ready.(Every able-bodied Muslim who can afford to do so is obliged to make the pilgrimage to Mecca at least once in his or her lifetime.)
I like to take Malaysian old citizens experience about their Pilgrimage to Mecca as example,most of them are settled far from major cities and never saw outsides world,so not a chance to chat with them about a foreign cultures before their journeys for Hajj was made.So where is the significance element in that point of view.Its subjective when it involved with 3 million figures.
Traditionally, pilgrims travel to Mecca in groups with their friends or family, or people from their local mosque as an expression of unity.
Many Muslims regard the Hajj as one of the great achievements of civilization, because it brings together people from around the world and focuses them upon a single goal: completing the Hajj.
I love Unity of Ummah.
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حللت أهلاً ووطئت سهلاً "O Allah! Keep me alive as long as live is better for me, and let me die as death is better for me"
We were talking about Bhavish Puran Kalki Avtaar is also proved on the link which i mentioned earlier:
Well if you're using Hindu scriptures to prove a point. Here is the Prophecy of Guru Nanaks coming in the Vedas! :smile:
1. In the Hindu epic the RIG VEDA
(i) In Mandala 7, Ush 5, Mantra 5 and Chapter 6
"Bee chakram prithoi aishai ta khestraaeh Vishnu mansai das sayaan
throvaah so asaya keeryo janaas oeroo khashatra so janama
chakaar (8)"
meaning
"when in the world the sinful ways will be on the rise and noble behavior will vanish, as the disappearance of the moon when on its wane on the darkest night, there will appear Vishnu as a prominent Prophet from the Keshatra Clan and will manifest in consecutive form through 10 Prophets to bring back the ways of virtue to the ailing world."
(ii) In the same Vedas, in another part even in the name NANAK and the clan he belongs to is recorded thus -
"For the preaching of religious ways and the earning of good karma, there will manifest Guru NANAK from the clan of the Veithees"
3. In the BHAVEKHATH PURANA
"BHAVEKHATH" means "future foretelling". There are numerous places in this famous Hindu epic where the advent of Guru NANAK is directly alluded to. These instances are listed hereunder -
(i)
"Theraa bhaareng thereshtwah keli krethem maha krethyaa. Aeveng vaee
tharam parchaariang bhavekhthee thaa kalau. Thatha vei
loka rakheiaartheng maleishana naas heithwei paschmeitlheng subh
theisay vath wensei chei Nanaka naam nach rekhiang brahem
geaanaik manas bhavekhet kaloe skunth thatar verth kaleaah har (35)."
meaning
"In the Kali Yuga when goodness in the world is deteriorating there
will appear a Prophet from the Beithi clan named NANAK
who from birth will be endowed with extra-ordinary spiritual power.
He will preach on the nobility of life and the eradication of
the sinful ways"
(ii) In another portion of this book the following short cogent quotation supplies further pertinent information on the advent of Nanak
"Guru thaa Brahma, Guru raa Vishnu, Guru raa dev maheshra saakhyaar
Parbrehem Thasmei NANAK nameh"
meaning
"The Guru of the prophets, Brahma, Vishnu and Shiv ji is God
almighty himself. This very Creator will manifest itself as a human,
in the form of one whose name will be NANAK
Note the clarity and explicitness in which the coming of Nanak is predicted.
(iii) Further down in this book is recorded the following detailed assertiveness about Nanak and the type of mission and work he shall perform. It appears to emanate from the Godhead itself.
"The Kali Yuga shall dawn on Earth with radical manifestation of destruction of Karma and Dharma to such an extent that every situation shall be colored by sinful activities. At that distressful moment, the Creator shall send down a spiritual luminary in the form of NANAK from the Khatria clan. He will spread the message of NAAM, the Holy life Force, by introducing the primacy of meditation and thus washing clean the sinful ways by the waters of love."
Note the beautiful and comprehensive description of the happening.
(iv) There is yet another quotation from this same Bhavekhath Purana indicative of Nanak and the 9 prophets that consecutively followed his lineage : -
Are you going to refute this? Because that would hypocritcal
Ėk Gusā Alhu Mėrā
The One Lord, the Lord of the World, is my God Allah.
Dhan Guru Arjan Dev Mahraaj Ji!
Kal Meh Bėḏ Atharbaṇ Hū Nā Kẖuḏā Alhu Bẖa.
In the Dark Age of Kali Yuga, the Atharva Veda became prominent; Allah became the Name of God.
im sure that the kabah has been destroyed and rebuilt numerous amounts of times...?
does Allah live their or reside their?
Blessed, blessed is that tongue, O my soul, which sings the Glorious Praises of the Lord God.
Sublime, pure and pious is that head, O my soul, which falls at the Lords Feet.
Nanak is a sacrifice to those, O my soul, who hear of the Lord, and believe in the Lord's Name.
im sure that the kabah has been destroyed and rebuilt numerous amounts of times...?
Yes... those incidents were been recorded since pre-Islamic time, that's why I asked when the Kaabah moved because maybe we can check it in the historical records
format_quote Originally Posted by ultimate truth
does Allah live their or reside their?
Nope. Decades ago, Muslims were allowed to perform prayer inside kaabah..
Well if you're using Hindu scriptures to prove a point. Here is the Prophecy of Guru Nanaks coming in the Vedas! :smile:
1. In the Hindu epic the RIG VEDA
(i) In Mandala 7, Ush 5, Mantra 5 and Chapter 6
"Bee chakram prithoi aishai ta khestraaeh Vishnu mansai das sayaan
throvaah so asaya keeryo janaas oeroo khashatra so janama
chakaar (8)"
meaning
"when in the world the sinful ways will be on the rise and noble behavior will vanish, as the disappearance of the moon when on its wane on the darkest night, there will appear Vishnu as a prominent Prophet from the Keshatra Clan and will manifest in consecutive form through 10 Prophets to bring back the ways of virtue to the ailing world."
(ii) In the same Vedas, in another part even in the name NANAK and the clan he belongs to is recorded thus -
"For the preaching of religious ways and the earning of good karma, there will manifest Guru NANAK from the clan of the Veithees"
3. In the BHAVEKHATH PURANA
"BHAVEKHATH" means "future foretelling". There are numerous places in this famous Hindu epic where the advent of Guru NANAK is directly alluded to. These instances are listed hereunder -
(i)
"Theraa bhaareng thereshtwah keli krethem maha krethyaa. Aeveng vaee
tharam parchaariang bhavekhthee thaa kalau. Thatha vei
loka rakheiaartheng maleishana naas heithwei paschmeitlheng subh
theisay vath wensei chei Nanaka naam nach rekhiang brahem
geaanaik manas bhavekhet kaloe skunth thatar verth kaleaah har (35)."
meaning
"In the Kali Yuga when goodness in the world is deteriorating there
will appear a Prophet from the Beithi clan named NANAK
who from birth will be endowed with extra-ordinary spiritual power.
He will preach on the nobility of life and the eradication of
the sinful ways"
(ii) In another portion of this book the following short cogent quotation supplies further pertinent information on the advent of Nanak
"Guru thaa Brahma, Guru raa Vishnu, Guru raa dev maheshra saakhyaar
Parbrehem Thasmei NANAK nameh"
meaning
"The Guru of the prophets, Brahma, Vishnu and Shiv ji is God
almighty himself. This very Creator will manifest itself as a human,
in the form of one whose name will be NANAK
Note the clarity and explicitness in which the coming of Nanak is predicted.
(iii) Further down in this book is recorded the following detailed assertiveness about Nanak and the type of mission and work he shall perform. It appears to emanate from the Godhead itself.
"The Kali Yuga shall dawn on Earth with radical manifestation of destruction of Karma and Dharma to such an extent that every situation shall be colored by sinful activities. At that distressful moment, the Creator shall send down a spiritual luminary in the form of NANAK from the Khatria clan. He will spread the message of NAAM, the Holy life Force, by introducing the primacy of meditation and thus washing clean the sinful ways by the waters of love."
Note the beautiful and comprehensive description of the happening.
(iv) There is yet another quotation from this same Bhavekhath Purana indicative of Nanak and the 9 prophets that consecutively followed his lineage : -
Are you going to refute this? Because that would hypocritcal
good work piario!
Blessed, blessed is that tongue, O my soul, which sings the Glorious Praises of the Lord God.
Sublime, pure and pious is that head, O my soul, which falls at the Lords Feet.
Nanak is a sacrifice to those, O my soul, who hear of the Lord, and believe in the Lord's Name.
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Kalki Avtaar is also proved on the link which i mentioned earlier:
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