christian law - would you want to see it put into practice?

**Dawud_uk** · 02-14-2007

Peace be upon those who follow righteous guidence,

the old and new testiment has aspects of guidence that could be put into law,

if it was possible would those who believe in the bible as divinely inspired or literally God's word like to see the bible used more closely as a basis of law as the muslims use the Quran and example of Muhammad (pbuh) as the basis of our law?

peace be upon those who follow righteous guidence,
Abu Abdullah

**Keltoi** · 02-14-2007

The Ten Commandments in the Bible were the foundation of many laws now in the books in much of the Western world, but of course most of them are common sense stuff designed to create a more stable society...as "Thou shall not kill." But to answer your question, no I would not want to live under a theocracy of any kind. As long as I am free to worship as I choose I don't see that a government based on any particular religion is necessary. Too much risk of abuse of minority rights and human rights in general. It sounds good in theory, but people are imperfect. I'm quite happy with a secular democracy.

**brenton** · 02-14-2007

I would not want a Christian law. Christians have tried "Christendom" and failed as leaders (I feel the same of Islamdom and Japanese religion, btw). New Testament Christianity is not about law at all, and much of Tanakh law is case law, so examples of constitutional law being worked out in specific contexts. I don't see that as necessary, and certainly not helpful.

So I vote no.

**wilberhum** · 02-14-2007

I totally believe in separation between church and state.
I want nothing to do with any kind of a theocracy.

I would never want to life under anything other than a secular government.

**brenton** · 02-14-2007

Originally Posted by wilberhum

I totally believe in separation between church and state.
I want nothing to do with any kind of a theocracy.

I would never want to life under anything other than a secular government.

I feel the same as a Christian. State interferring in religion is as bad as the opposite.

**wilberhum** · 02-14-2007

Originally Posted by brenton

I feel the same as a Christian. State interferring in religion is as bad as the opposite.

Religion interferring in the state is much worse.

**snakelegs** · 02-15-2007

no no no. no theocracy. no thankyou.

**Pygoscelis** · 02-15-2007

My goodness no.

We'd all be stoned to death. Pretty much every last one of us. From shellfish eaters to anybody not following the "true" Christianity (especially "witches") to people who turn on their abusive parents.

We've spent the past few hundred years tearing society OUT of the clutches of Christian theocratic mad men. We're not going to turn back now.

**duskiness** · 02-15-2007

No. How would you put "turn the other cheek" into a bill?

**Umar001** · 02-15-2007

I think it would be interesting.

For those of us who make that far it'll be interesting to see what happens if there is ever a re instatment of the Judaic laws.

Anyhow, I am suprised most people dont feel God would give the past people good enough laws to last forever. Or maybe He did but we just dont want to be subdued.

**duskiness** · 02-15-2007

Originally Posted by Al Habeshi

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Anyhow, I am suprised most people dont feel God would give the past people good enough laws to last forever. Or maybe He did but we just dont want to be subdued.

He did. this "turn cheek" is an example of such a law. And you are right when you say we have problems with subduing to it.

but that is so different from state law!!

**Umar001** · 02-15-2007

Originally Posted by duskiness

He did. this "turn cheek" is an example of such a law. And you are right when you say we have problems with subduing to it.

but that is so different from state law!!

Hey Duskiness, welcome back first time we've spoke I think in agesss.

Well, you mean every other law which involved any form of punishment was taken away by the law of turning the other cheek?

**duskiness** · 02-15-2007

Originally Posted by Al Habeshi

Hey Duskiness, welcome back first time we've spoke I think in agesss.

nice too see you too

I 've missed this place

Originally Posted by Al Habeshi

Well, you mean every other law which involved any form of punishment was taken away by the law of turning the other cheek?

No,no. I wanted say that in the end, God's law deals with morality and it is difficult to put it in legal terms.
Law is about this world, it is just a tool which helps us leave next to one another. God commandments are so much more important than this. And so much more general, it is almost impossible to turn them into law.

"give back Cesar what belongs to Cesar". To him belongs law and our obedience. As far as it doesn't break God commandments

**Umar001** · 02-15-2007

Originally Posted by duskiness

nice too see you too

I 've missed this place

Welcome back and feel free to pm and complain about anything lol

Originally Posted by duskiness

No,no. I wanted say that in the end, God's law deals with morality and it is difficult to put it in legal terms.
Law is about this world, it is just a tool which helps us leave next to one another. God commandments are so much more important than this. And so much more general, it is almost impossible to turn them into law.

"give back Cesar what belongs to Cesar". To him belongs law and our obedience. As far as it doesn't break God commandments

I understand what you mean, but what I mean is that since there is an obvious need to have a law, don't you think using the one God gave to Moses would be the best thing, specially since it was from God.

I mean, ok, we can accept that we do not have a law given, and we leave to ceaser what is ceaser, but we also accept that we need a law, then wouldnt the next logical step be to look for a law that God has given to someone like that to Moses for a Christian so that at least that need would be satisfied?

**wilberhum** · 02-15-2007

wouldnt the next logical step be to look for a law that God has given to someone like that to Moses for a Christian so that at least that need would be satisfied?

No! The laws given to Moses does not cover the thousands of conditions that did not exist then.
Becides you always open to radical interpertation of those laws.

**Umar001** · 02-15-2007

Originally Posted by wilberhum

No! The laws given to Moses does not cover the thousands of conditions that did not exist then.
Becides you always open to radical interpertation of those laws.

Well the things not covered then would be prayed over and the Holy SPirit as they believe is their teacher would give them into those truths.

**wilberhum** · 02-16-2007

Originally Posted by Al Habeshi

Well the things not covered then would be prayed over and the Holy SPirit as they believe is their teacher would give them into those truths.

Wo ya. Middleages witch hunts, here we come. I don't believe that anymore than you do. I bet at least 90% of the Christians don't either. Christians are less unified that Muslims.

**Umar001** · 02-16-2007

Originally Posted by wilberhum

Wo ya. Middleages witch hunts, here we come. I don't believe that anymore than you do. I bet at least 90% of the Christians don't either. Christians are less unified that Muslims.

Hmm well we are talking in an idealistic place, not neccesarily a realistic scenario

**wilberhum** · 02-16-2007

Originally Posted by Al Habeshi

Hmm well we are talking in an idealistic place, not neccesarily a realistic scenario

As far as I'm concerned, an idealistic place, would not have any governmental infulance.

**Malaikah** · 02-16-2007

Originally Posted by Pygoscelis

We'd all be stoned to death. Pretty much every last one of us. From shellfish eaters to anybody not following the "true" Christianity (especially "witches") to people who turn on their abusive parents.

Is that really true? I would assume we are talking about Christian law being implemented properly.