There are many books that speak of the inerrancy of the Bible (Bibliography available upon request). The Bible also talks about Ishmael the father of the Arab race. God told Hagar to go back from running away from Abraham and Sarah. He said Ishmael was going to be very strong (Donkey of a man) with him against very man and very man against him. That is what I believe we see today - the Arab race against every man and every man against him. That is Biblical prophesy in action today. Jesus comes from the seed of Isaac and Ishmael comes for the seed of Ishmael Jehovah spoke in Isaiah 45:23 and said “I have sworn by myself, the word has gone out of my mouth in righteousness, and shall not return, that unto me every knee shall bow, and every tongue shall swear.” Colossians 2:9 States that in Christ dwells all of The Godhead fully. Every tongue will confess that Jesus Christ is Lord. In Jn. 13:19 Jesus declares himself “ I am” To the Jews he does it again by saying before Abraham was “I am” That is some pretty strong evidence according to the Bible that is inerrant by the hand of the Almighty that Jesus will tear down very imagination that exalts itself against the knowledge of God. For we wrestle not against flesh and blood but against spiritual wickness in high places. This is all said according to Scripture and can be backed up as such.
Please tell me why you keep repeating that verse see “And if they hear evil, vain, false talk...... I am not being false I am speaking all the truth I know in love even if I lack the tact and wisdom at times. These things are not blunders of the heart they are blunders of the mind. I feel like your using it to judge me. Only God can do that. Let God judge me please, don't you do it if that is the purpose of the verse.
you have already been told about signatures, so stop playing silly burgers and get back to the topic at hand
I will deal with this later. I need to go to bed. I am over loaded with info, and I have to work early. I am not trying to evade. Good night, and what do you mean by silly hamburgers? Now you did it - your making hungry - stop it. LOL
Can someone tell me why on this forum I get two different messages regarding my standing. My desk top CP lets me I could post new threads and converse on the forum, but my lap top says I may not???? WHY??
Check your browser settings on both of them. I would suggest clearing the cookie cache. Log out on both and then log back in. They should both be identical then. I would suspect that when you updated to full member on one your browser on the other was turned off and never updated when you went back on line.
Someone said to the Prophet, "Pray to God against the idolaters and curse them." The Prophet replied, "I have been sent to show mercy and have not been sent to curse." (Muslim)
Good Afternoon Eric:
You said, "We are all created by the same God even though we have very different beliefs about Jesus. I hope and pray that we are able to find it in our hearts to live in peace with our differences.
In the spirit of praying for a greater interfaith friendship"
Eric
Who is Jesus to you?
For now we see through a glass darkly, but when that which is perfect appears, then we shall know even as we are known!
By the way, cats don't really have nine lives, and it is appointed once unto man to die then comes the judgment.
For now we see through a glass darkly, but when that which is perfect appears, then we shall know even as we are known!
By the way, cats don't really have nine lives, and it is appointed once unto man to die then comes the judgment.
You were supposed to deal with me.Instead I see you are back up to your old tricks (random rants)
This thread has been moved. I am not sure why or what it means to have it moved. Can anyone explain?
I moved the thread into a more appropriate section since originally it was placed in halaal fun.
format_quote Originally Posted by alapiana1
For now we see through a glass darkly, but when that which is perfect appears, then we shall know even as we are known!
By the way, cats don't really have nine lives, and it is appointed once unto man to die then comes the judgment.
If you would like, you may create an entire thread on that. As for now, perhaps it would be wise to stick to the topic? Just a friendly reminder from your favourite pakistani.
Someone said to the Prophet, "Pray to God against the idolaters and curse them." The Prophet replied, "I have been sent to show mercy and have not been sent to curse." (Muslim)
Who do Christians pray to, Jesus, God, Mary, or The Holy Ghost?
I understand why you ask this question. You are trying to get me to use my higher order thinking skills; nevertheless, it is a fair question:
I believe that there is only one God, and Mary has nothing to do with deity. The Bible says that Jesus who being in the very nature God did not claim to be equal to Him, but humble Himself on the cross to die in our place. It was Jesus mission to glorify God and God's to glorify Him. God is a Spirit and those who worship Him must do so in Spirit and in truth. Jesus is the way, the truth and the life. God is a Spirit and He is Holy. He is then the Holy Spirit. The Father, The Son and The Holy Spirit are one. There is only one God... ONE... I don't understand this mystery anymore than I understand how we can have a soul, spirit and we are flesh and blood yet one. Remember very answer has a question, but not very question has an answer. Jesus taught his disciples how to pray to the Father in His name. I know that the Bible has translation errors, but we do not believe there are any mistakes regarding the Word of God in the Bible concerning these points.
Who being in the very nature God, did not consider equality with God something to be gasped, but made himself nothing, taking on the very nature of a servant, being made in human likeness. And being found in appearance as a man, he humbled himself and became obedient to death- even the death of the cross. PHILLIPIANS 2:5-8
You were supposed to deal with me.Instead I see you are back up to your old tricks (random rants)
What do you mean I was suppose to deal with you and I am up to my old tricks? Jesus is the one that said, "I am the Way the Life and the Truth" He not me. You said, you honor Jesus (in so many words). Well, you honor him your way, and I honor Him by believing that He is the Way, the truth and the Life. He also said, "That no man can come to the Father but by me." There are no tricks here am trying to pull. I do admit that I lack wisdom and tact at times (sincerely sorry), and I haven't yet learned how to step on toes without messing up the shine, but I am learning, respectfully, and you have been teaching me along with the rest of the brothers in humanity.
@AbuAbdallah
Simple answer was Christians worship Christ, while majority of catholics pray to Mary.
@alapiana1
I needed your answers to my quetions (asked earlier): e.g How many "Sons" does God have?
but it does not matter anymore since you don't read any refutations (or posts longer than a sentence). Therefore I have decided to act upon my signature verse and leave you in peace with your delusions.
Ma'asalaama
format_quote Originally Posted by alapiana1
What do you mean I was suppose to deal with you and I am up to my old tricks? Jesus is the one that said, "I am the Way the Life and the Truth" He not me. You said, you honor Jesus (in so many words). Well, you honor him your way, and I honor Him by believing that He is the Way, the truth and the Life. He also said, "That no man can come to the Father but by me." There are no tricks here am trying to pull. I do admit that I lack wisdom and tact at times (sincerely sorry), and I haven't yet learned how to step on toes without messing up the shine, but I am learning, respectfully, and you have been teaching me along with the rest of the brothers in humanity.
It is written: "But as many as recieved Him, to them gave He the power to be the sons of God." KJV (some translations say the children of God). I guess that Scripture is open for intrepretation.
Oh I see, I forgot about that, I was tried last night, but I read it now, and I don't know how to debate all of that stuff you sent. It seems that someone Has gone through a lot of trouble to try to prove that Jesus is not the Son of God. You have a lot of resources and Muslims brothers to support you through this dialogue that I don't have mainly because this is an Islamic forum, but there are books out there that can blow all kinds of holes through that research you sent. Anyway, I have learned that a man convinced against his will is of the same opinion still. By the way, I am not being cynical of you, but it sounds like you are of me by saying, "I'll leave you to your delusions." You don't have to say that to me. Believe me, I know what you think of me. I am trying to think of you as greater than myself, but when you make statements like that it almost stumbles me.
As a man who read the bible and tried to follow it to the best of his ways, I cannot say I am bias to a particular extreme.
Whilst I read the Bible I found Jesus to be a great man, unusual man, a man beautiful in many ways, a man with a closeness to God, a reletionship which was ideal. To me I found in the Bible Jesus to be: a man accredited by God to people by miracles, wonders and signs, which God did among people through him, as you yourselves know.
As I read, and tried to neutralise myself from any type of predispositions I found that the 'proofs' that some use to say Jesus is God do not actually neccesitate that understanding, unless someone is forcing that into the scripture. Whilst if we go with the whole of the Biblical Text then we see that Jesus not being God would to more justice to logicality and context.
That's my view for all it's worth.
Though it's still yet to be proven that the Bible is an accurate representation of the 3 years and abit of Jesus' life.
Eesa.
The path is long but I hope we meet,
After the grave and the Day, in paradise in bliss upon a reclined seat.
A traveler traveling - travelled from shirk to tawheed,
If I'm remembered for anything - let it be the Mercy I seek.
Oh I see, I forgot about that, I was tried last night, but I read it now, and I don't know how to debate all of that stuff you sent. It seems that someone Has gone through a lot of trouble to try to prove that Jesus is not the Son of God. You have a lot of resources and Muslims brothers to support you through this dialogue that I don't have mainly because this is an Islamic forum, but there are books out there that can blow all kinds of holes through that research you sent. Anyway, I have learned that a man convinced against his will is of the same opinion still. By the way, I am not being cynical of you, but it sounds like you are of me by saying, "I'll leave you to your delusions." You don't have to say that to me. Believe me, I know what you think of me. I am trying to think of you as greater than myself, but when you make statements like that it almost stumbles me.
Does it matter who your allies are in a Christian or a Muslim brotherhood? If you know something really well-- it is innate to you it will be easy to refute whatever argument comes your way.....
If I knew all there to know about a strep infection... then it wouldn't matter who attacks me with a question about-- Cellulitis I'll be ready.. if they ask me about Impetigo I'll be ready.. if they take a turn to Ecthyma I'll be ready... if they go on to try to get me on Erysipelas I'll be ready...Scarlet Fever I am ready, Necrotizing Fasciitis --still ready.... why? because I know all there is to know about it inside and out... I wouldn't need a brotherhood...I'd not need to be on a special forum where others share my views... I don't need to sleep on it... I don't need to consult with someone, for then I am the one to be consulted with...
You see, you represent yourself as a cognoscente of theological studies.. but you cut and paste articles.. the worst of it is most of it not just derogatory against Muslims but embarrassingly untrue-- you don't present an argument logically and you don't refute it point by point logically.. and it has nothing to do with who out there can back your opinion up or not. There is always someone out there smarter than you, tougher than you, better than you-- that is just the way G-D created man kind... each having a different talent... But if you'll sit here and present yourself as a devout Christian and preach the book, this is your talent... then know your book's contents and know how to refute an argument against the book's contents logically without so much emotion....
peace!
Text without context is pretext If your opponent is of choleric temperament, seek to irritate him
Salam i think Jesus is a prophet that got token away in heaven because there is this story that some people were about to hang jesus on a ship or something like that first they were beating him up very badly and allah (Swt) toke him to heaven with all of us blood all over him and people say he will come with the blood to earth and around 40years after he comes back the day of judgment will be here and he will also be blessed with a wife and children and when he dies he will be buried beside prophet Muhammad (saw) grave. And the people who can sense him will be that who pray fajr. Peace
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