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    There are many books that speak of the inerrancy of the Bible (Bibliography available upon request). The Bible also talks about Ishmael the father of the Arab race. God told Hagar to go back from running away from Abraham and Sarah. He said Ishmael was going to be very strong (Donkey of a man) with him against very man and very man against him. That is what I believe we see today - the Arab race against every man and every man against him. That is Biblical prophesy in action today. Jesus comes from the seed of Isaac and Ishmael comes for the seed of Ishmael Jehovah spoke in Isaiah 45:23 and said “I have sworn by myself, the word has gone out of my mouth in righteousness, and shall not return, that unto me every knee shall bow, and every tongue shall swear.” Colossians 2:9 States that in Christ dwells all of The Godhead fully. Every tongue will confess that Jesus Christ is Lord. In Jn. 13:19 Jesus declares himself “ I am” To the Jews he does it again by saying before Abraham was “I am” That is some pretty strong evidence according to the Bible that is inerrant by the hand of the Almighty that Jesus will tear down very imagination that exalts itself against the knowledge of God. For we wrestle not against flesh and blood but against spiritual wickness in high places. This is all said according to Scripture and can be backed up as such.

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    Re: Jesus prophet or God

    Even though 15% of the Arab race make up Islam, the root of that religion comes from their race. Correct me if I'm wrong.

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    There is no point in correcting you; no point in saying root is Adam (taught by Allah). No more any point in you being allowed to remain a member here, but that is too much to hope for, for I'll be deleted from here long before you. Wa-salaam alaikum
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    Re: Jesus prophet or God

    One pseudo scholar gave me warnings, posted against me in public for calling another pseudo scholar a pervert for misusing Qurân. And accused me of "Attacks against Islam including attacks on the Qur'an, Muhammad (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him), his family and companions, or any other prophets in Islam, or Islamic scholars, past or present".

    Yet here you are going from strength to strength talking nonsense, and the only staff member that is resisting you is Br. Woodrow.

    My posts refuting your tripe disappear quicker than I can post them!

    What a weird world!!!
    Last edited by NoName55; 03-29-2007 at 08:37 AM. Reason: typo+bad language removed

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    Re: Jesus prophet or God

    I wonder why this is under Halal Fun category?
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    Assalamualaykum... I am back!!

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    Greetings and peace be with you alapiana1 and NoName55;

    We are all created by the same God even though we have very different beliefs about Jesus. I hope and pray that we are able to find it in our hearts to live in peace with our differences.

    In the spirit of praying for a greater interfaith friendship

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    Jesus Prophet, Massenger and Christ or God

    Any one know who wrote or taught the Lord's prayer?

    Our Father, who art in heaven, .(not my father but our father)
    hallowed be thy name..............(not hallowed be my name)
    Thy Kingdom come, .................(not my kingdom come)
    thy will be done, .....................(not my will)
    on earth as it is in heaven
    Give us this day our daily bread..(why ask, when I am god?)
    And forgive us our trespasses,..(if I am God, why do I need forgiveness?)
    as we forgive those who trespass against us.
    And lead us not into temptation, (if I am God I can do as I will)
    but deliver us from evil. ............(If I am God I don't need protection from evil but rather I give protection)
    For thine is the kingdom, the power and the glory. for ever and ever. Amen .(mine is not
    the kingdom, the power and the glory. for ever and ever but yours)



    Wa-Salaam Alaikum

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    Re: Jesus Prophet, Massenger and Christ or God

    Quote Originally Posted by NoName55 View Post
    Any one know who wrote or taught the Lord's prayer?

    Our Father, who art in heaven, .(not my father but our father)
    hallowed be thy name..............(not hallowed be my name)
    Thy Kingdom come, .................(not my kingdom come)
    thy will be done, .....................(not my will)
    on earth as it is in heaven
    Give us this day our daily bread..(why ask, when I am god?)
    And forgive us our trespasses,..(if I am God, why do I need forgiveness?)
    as we forgive those who trespass against us.
    And lead us not into temptation, (if I am God I can do as I will)
    but deliver us from evil. ............(If I am God I don't need protection from evil but rather I give protection)
    For thine is the kingdom, the power and the glory. for ever and ever. Amen .(mine is not
    the kingdom, the power and the glory. for ever and ever but yours)



    Wa-Salaam Alaikum
    In that form it did not show up until atleast the 1600s. The original form which dates back to the time of Isa(as) is still intact in the original Aramaic and is still said in Aramaic by the Coptics. It's original form is:

    The Prayer To Our Father
    (in the original Aramaic)

    Abwûn
    "Oh Thou, from whom the breath of life comes,

    d'bwaschmâja
    who fills all realms of sound, light and vibration.

    Nethkâdasch schmach
    May Your light be experienced in my utmost holiest.

    Têtê malkuthach.
    Your Heavenly Domain approaches.

    Nehwê tzevjânach aikâna d'bwaschmâja af b'arha.
    Let Your will come true - in the universe (all that vibrates)
    just as on earth (that is material and dense).

    Hawvlân lachma d'sûnkanân jaomâna.
    Give us wisdom (understanding, assistance) for our daily need,

    Waschboklân chaubên wachtahên aikâna
    daf chnân schwoken l'chaijabên.
    detach the fetters of faults that bind us,
    like we let go the guilt of others.

    Wela tachlân l'nesjuna
    Let us not be lost in superficial things (materialism, common temptations),

    ela patzân min bischa.
    but let us be freed from that what keeps us off from our true purpose.

    Metol dilachie malkutha wahaila wateschbuchta l'ahlâm almîn.
    From You comes the all-working will, the lively strength to act,
    the song that beautifies all and renews itself from age to age.

    Amên.
    Sealed in trust, faith and truth.
    (I confirm with my entire being)

    That is probably the closest to what was actually written in the Bible. But somehow it seems different than the current version.
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    Re: Jesus prophet or God

    Quote Originally Posted by alapiana1 View Post
    Even though 15% of the Arab race make up Islam, the root of that religion comes from their race. Correct me if I'm wrong.
    The Root of Islam comes from Allah(swt) It was revealed to Muhammad(PBUH) who was Arab, but it is for all people and not just Arabs.
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    Re: Jesus Prophet, Massenger and Christ or God

    Quote Originally Posted by Woodrow View Post
    In that form it did not show up until atleast the 1600s. The original form which dates back to the time of Isa(as) is still intact in the original Aramaic and is still said in Aramaic by the Coptics. It's original form is:

    The Prayer To Our Father
    (in the original Aramaic)

    ...................
    ..................
    ....................
    ..................

    That is probably the closest to what was actually written in the Bible. But somehow it seems different than the current version.

    JazakAllah khaira

    This is even better at showing that Christ was worshiping and teaching the worship of our Creator and not saying worship me for I'm God your Lord


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    Quote Originally Posted by alapiana1 View Post
    There are many books that speak of the inerrancy of the Bible (Bibliography available upon request). The Bible also talks about Ishmael the father of the Arab race. God told Hagar to go back from running away from Abraham and Sarah. He said Ishmael was going to be very strong (Donkey of a man) with him against very man and very man against him. That is what I believe we see today - the Arab race against every man and every man against him. That is Biblical prophesy in action today. Jesus comes from the seed of Isaac and Ishmael comes for the seed of Ishmael Jehovah spoke in Isaiah 45:23 and said “I have sworn by myself, the word has gone out of my mouth in righteousness, and shall not return, that unto me every knee shall bow, and every tongue shall swear.” Colossians 2:9 States that in Christ dwells all of The Godhead fully. Every tongue will confess that Jesus Christ is Lord. In Jn. 13:19 Jesus declares himself “ I am” To the Jews he does it again by saying before Abraham was “I am” That is some pretty strong evidence according to the Bible that is inerrant by the hand of the Almighty that Jesus will tear down very imagination that exalts itself against the knowledge of God. For we wrestle not against flesh and blood but against spiritual wickness in high places. This is all said according to Scripture and can be backed up as such.
    Based on that logic, all Christians must believe the very same things that the Jews do, as Isa(as) was descended from Isaac.

    Without going into any need for a debate. I have not seen anything that proves the Bible of Today is the Full uncorrupted Truth of what Allah(as) revaeled to Isa(as) in the Injil. With the exception of the small amount that also appears in the Qur'an.

    I know that Jesus(as) was a Great Prophet(PBUH) You believe He is God(swt)

    It saddens me deeply to see that you believe in the myth you wish to be true. In doing so you openly lie about Isa(as), Try to lead others to stop Worshiping the one God(swt) and show no Love for Jesus(as) as the Wonderful Prophet(PBUH) he is.
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    Re: Jesus prophet or God

    Quote Originally Posted by alapiana1 View Post
    There are many books that speak of the inerrancy of the Bible (Bibliography available upon request). The Bible also talks about Ishmael the father of the Arab race. God told Hagar to go back from running away from Abraham and Sarah. He said Ishmael was going to be very strong (Donkey of a man) with him against very man and very man against him. That is what I believe we see today - the Arab race against every man and every man against him. That is Biblical prophesy in action today. Jesus comes from the seed of Isaac and Ishmael comes for the seed of Ishmael Jehovah spoke in Isaiah 45:23 and said “I have sworn by myself, the word has gone out of my mouth in righteousness, and shall not return, that unto me every knee shall bow, and every tongue shall swear.” Colossians 2:9 States that in Christ dwells all of The Godhead fully. Every tongue will confess that Jesus Christ is Lord. In Jn. 13:19 Jesus declares himself “ I am” To the Jews he does it again by saying before Abraham was “I am” That is some pretty strong evidence according to the Bible that is inerrant by the hand of the Almighty that Jesus will tear down very imagination that exalts itself against the knowledge of God.

    The I Am. I can show you someone else who said I am, it does not prove anything, there are many reasons why it doesn't.

    But then again I wonder if you'll be open for discussion.

    Eesa.
    Last edited by Umar001; 03-29-2007 at 10:41 AM.
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    The path is long but I hope we meet,
    After the grave and the Day, in paradise in bliss upon a reclined seat.

    A traveler traveling - travelled from shirk to tawheed,
    If I'm remembered for anything - let it be the Mercy I seek.

    Your Bro. Abu Hurayra, al-Habeshi

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    Let us look for a minute at Colossians 2:9

    Interesting to note that This comes from Paul and was not said by any of the original Apostles or by Isa(as)

    NIV

    For in Christ all the fullness of the Deity lives in bodily form,

    Douay-Rheims

    2:9. For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead corporeally.
    Quia in ipso inhabitat omnis plenitudo divinitatis corporaliter

    KJV

    All the fullness of the Godhead is in Him, in bodily form, and we are complete in Him.


    NASB

    "For in Him all the fullness of Deity dwells in bodily form"

    Now let us compare that to what Paul said in Eph 3:19 which was also written by Paul

    NASB

    19 And to know the love of Christ, which passeth knowledge, that ye might be filled with all the fullness of God.

    NASB: and to know the love of Christ which surpasses knowledge, that you may be filled up to all the fullness of God. (NASB ©1995)

    GWT: You will know Christ's love, which goes far beyond any knowledge. I am praying this so that you may be completely filled with God. (GOD'S WORD&#174

    KJV: And to know the love of Christ, which passeth knowledge, that ye might be filled with all the fulness of God.

    ASV: and to know the love of Christ which passeth knowledge, that ye may be filled unto all the fulness of God.

    BBE: And to have knowledge of the love of Christ which is outside all knowledge, so that you may be made complete as God himself is complete.

    DBY: and to know the love of the Christ which surpasses knowledge; that ye may be filled even to all the fulness of God.

    WEY: yes, to attain to a knowledge of the knowledge-surpassing love of Christ, so that you may be made complete in accordance with God's own standard of completeness.

    WBS: And to know the love of Christ, which passeth knowledge, that ye may be filled with all the fullness of God.WEB: and to know Christ's love which surpasses knowledge, that you may be filled with all the fullness of God.

    YLT: to know also the love of the Christ that is exceeding the knowledge, that ye may be filled -- to all the fulness of God;


    Now if Paul means that possesing the fullness of God(swt) means Isa(was God(as) Does it not also mean in Ephesians that we are all capable of becoming Gods(swt) As He says we can be filled with the fullness of God(swt)

    Unless Paul does not intend the term possessing the fullness of God(swt) to mean divinity and that is a Modern concept.
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    I made a mistake there. I meant to say Muhammad is from the seed of Ishmael, and Jesus from the seed of Isaac. This is an unrefutable fact. I am going to stop writing in the forum for a while, I feel the Lord is calling me to get into His word and prayer. God willing I'll be back. So you can at least thank me for the warning. I pray for you all to come to the knoweldge of truth that is only found in Christ Jesus God's only begotten Son. For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life. Jn. 3:16 I really think that you and this forum should be more tolerable of non-Muslims. As long as someone is not pushing porn of using profane words or disrespectfull, they shoud be allowed to speak without being talked down to.
    Sincerely;
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    By the way, you asked a good question about Paul. You seem to really know the Scriptures. I don't want to answer without looking into this with prayer and study.
    Peace
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    But you are being disrespectful to Prophet Mohammed (PBUH)... to the Quran, and to Muslims....(Spare us the G-D loves you antics)---I am not sure what to make even of you posting this under the "fun" section...

    Someone should move this thread to a more suitable place...
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    I am sorry you feel that way. I haven't disrespected you personally. I can't really see that I have done anything different than you concerning your views about who Jesus is and the Bible being God's word. I am not offended if you attack what I believe or even me as you are appearing to do, because it is written: "Great peace have they which love thy law and nothing shall offend them." I am trying not to write back because I need time to seek the Lord in prayer. I don't want to give you my reply but His. Please don't respond to this, and later you can tell me how I have disrespected the Muslims, which is not what I am about. I respect you very much for your zeal and fire in your faith. The ones I don't respect are those who are neither hot or cold but luke warm. Luke warm Christians and Muslims alike they make me sick.

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    disrespecting prophet Mohammed (PBUH) and Islam is far much worse to me than disrespecting me personally... I don't know what views of Jesus we have that bother you so? he gets highest honors in Islam... I have never seen a vicious website maligning and character assassinating Jesus (PBUH) by Muslims, the way your missionaries do of Islam and prophet Mohammed PBUH... the worse of it... is none of it is educated... I need only to look at your posts in your latest thread that was recently closed to conclude exactly what hovers in your deep...

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    Question. Did Jesus (pbuh) ever claim to be God or the literal son of God?

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    Muslims reduce Jesus who we believe is God to just a prophet. That is quite a demotion, but that doesn't offend me. Jesus lives. He can defend His name and Himself. I am just trying to obey my convictions. I don't see myself any better than the Muslims that bombed the world trade center. They were following their convictions. I would have done exactly the same if I believed that was what God wanted me to do. They were sincere. No doubt about it, but they as you will admit (I hope) sincerely wrong.

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