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    Cain's wife.

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    Adam & Eve were the first humans.
    They had two kids Caine & Abel.

    Caine killed Abel and was cast out into the world, then lay with his wife and Gave birth to Enoch.


    Slight flaw here...tell me if you spot it.
    Where the galloping jimminys did Caines wife spring from?
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    Re: Cain's wife.

    That's why the FSM is so logical.
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    Re: Cain's wife.

    format_quote Originally Posted by wilberhum View Post
    That's why the FSM is so logical.
    Thats why Judaism and Christianity is illogical.
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    Re: Cain's wife.

    And indeed why I'm agnostic-monothist

    Anything in the Quran to explain this by the way?
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    Re: Cain's wife.

    Well, does the bible actually explicitly state that Adam was the only man created out of mud? And that Eve was the only woman made from a rib?

    Could it be that Adam and Eve were just one of many couples in God's project?
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    Re: Cain's wife.

    what's FSM?
    all i can think of is "free speech movement" and i know we're not talking about that!
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    Re: Cain's wife.

    format_quote Originally Posted by Pygoscelis View Post
    Well, does the bible actually explicitly state that Adam was the only man created out of mud? And that Eve was the only woman made from a rib?

    Could it be that Adam and Eve were just one of many couples in God's project?

    Not mentioned though. Also definitly against the teachings of the major religions. It would nessesitate the simultanious creation of hundreds of humans and cain just bumping into one. Nahh, it just adds to the origin of the species arguement.

    Actually it knocks the whole of Judism (and all derivertives of that faith) into a hat.
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    Re: Cain's wife.

    From the Tafsir Ibn Kathir of Surah Al-Ma'idah

    Several scholars among the Salaf and the later generations said that Allah allowed Adam to marry his daughters to his sons because of the necessity of such action. They also said that in every pregnancy, Adam was given a twin, a male and a female, and he used to give the female of one twin, to the male of the other twin, in marriage. Habil's sister was not beautiful while Qabil's sister was beautiful, resulting in Qabil wanting her for himself, instead of his brother. Adam refused unless they both offer a sacrifice, and he whose sacrifice was accepted, would marry Qabil's sister. Habil's sacrifice was accepted, while Qabil's sacrifice was rejected, and thus what Allah told us about them occurred. Ibn Abi Hatim recorded that Ibn `Abbas said -- that during the time of Adam -- "The woman was not allowed in marriage for her male twin, but Adam was commanded to marry her to any of her other brothers. In each pregnancy, Adam was given a twin, a male and a female. A beautiful daughter was once born for Adam and another one that was not beautiful. So the twin brother of the ugly daughter said, `Marry your sister to me and I will marry my sister to you.' He said, `No, for I have more right to my sister.' So they both offered a sacrifice. The sacrifice of the one who offered the sheep was accepted while the sacrifice of the other [the twin brother of the beautiful daughter], which consisted of some produce, was not accepted. So the latter killed his brother.''

    You can read The Story of Habil (Abel) and Qabil (Cain) here
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    Re: Cain's wife.

    So scholars decided. It's not Quranic or Bibalic?

    Thanks by the way for the link.
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    Re: Cain's wife.

    That is from the tafsir (explanation) of Surah Ma'idah (Surah 5:27-32) of the Qur'an
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    Re: Cain's wife.

    Its quranic - the scholars are explaining the chapter of the quran for you. but its Surah Al-Ma'idah in the Holy Quran
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    [5.27] And relate to them the story of the two sons of Adam with truth when they both offered an offering, but it was accepted from one of them and was not accepted from the other. He said: I I will most certainly slay you. (The other) said: Allah only accepts from those who guard (against evil).
    [5.28] If you will stretch forth your hand towards me to slay me, I am not one to stretch forth my hand towards you to slay you surely I fear Allah, the Lord of the worlds:
    [5.29] Surely I wish that you should bear the sin committed against me and your own sin, and so you would be of the inmates of the fire, and this is the recompense of the unjust.
    [5.30] Then his mind facilitated to him the slaying of his brother so he slew him; then he became one of the losers
    [5.31] Then Allah sent a crow digging up the earth so that he might show him how he should cover the dead body of his brother. He said: Woe me! do I lack the strength that I should be like this crow and cover the dead body of my brother? So he became of those who regret.
    [5.32] For this reason did We prescribe to the children of Israel that whoever slays a soul, unless it be for manslaughter or for mischief in the land, it is as though he slew all men; and whoever keeps it alive, it is as though he kept alive all men; and certainly Our apostles came to them with clear arguments, but even after that many of them certainly act extravagantly in the land.


    Cheers. but I cant see anything about Caine's wife in here. how did the Scholar see anything in it about twins or permission for effectively incest? theres nothing there at all. Nothing in the Bible either.

    She just came out of nowhere?

    Just noticed this from the scholar: (And recite to them the story of the two sons of Adam in truth meaning, tell these envious, unjust people, the brothers of swine and apes from the Jews and their likes among mankind, the story of the two sons of Adam, Habil and Qabil, )
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    Accordingto the bible, Man was made from dirt, and Woman was made from ribs.

    This explains why women taste so much nicer than men.
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    Re: Cain's wife.

    Yum.
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    This is how the scholars explain the Qur'an in detail.

    If you ask what is the best method of tafseer, the answer is that the best way is to explain the Qur’aan through the Qur’aan. For, what the Qur’aan alludes to at one place is explained at the other, and what it says in brief on one occasion is elaborated upon at the other. But if this does not help you, you should turn to the sunnah, because the sunnah explains and elucidates the Qur’aan.
    When you do not get any help from the Qur’aan or the Sunnah, turn to the words of the companions. For they know the Qur'’an better: they have witnessed its revelation, and passed through the situations in which it was revealed: and know it and understand it fully.
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    Re: Cain's wife.

    The Christian perspective is that Adam and Eve gave birth to many offspring, since their life span was something like 930 years I believe. Cain married one of these offspring. While that sounds strange to us today because of the mistakes in DNA issue, the explanation would be that God did not forbid this type of marriage until the time of Moses, when humans were punished with imperfections. To Christians and Jews, and I assume Muslims too, all mankind are considered "brothers and sisters" since we all come from the same original source.
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    Re: Cain's wife.

    None of the story makes sense.

    Further proof there are no gods!
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    We know that every prophet comes to his people and all the prophets call to the worship/obedience of our Creator according to the way He wants to be worshipped, the prophet comes with signs which no-one could ever replicate. There have been a total of 124,000 prophets who have come to mankind, as recorded authentically in Musnad Ahmad. All came to their people speaking in their tongue, making the message clear to them. Then some were guided while others were misled. And Allaah is the Almighty, All Wise. [Qur'an 14:4]


    Every prophet had different laws according to their time, yet the goal was the same - be grateful to your Creator, and submit [islaam means submission.] Those who obeyed died, and those who rejected obedience to their Creator also died. Then Allaah replaced these people by others who would dwell in the same lands, and go through a similar experience for a temporary amount of time, then they too would die.

    This world will last until a certain time appointed - the trumpet will be blown by an angel - by the command of Allaah, and the whole universe will be destroyed. Then the trumpet will be blown once again, and we will be brought back to life again by God - the One who created us out of nothing in the first place. The One who brings the dead land back to life by sending down rain. On that day every soul will be questioned about what it did, those who believed in God's Messenger, obeyed Him will be successful and be rewarded for the good they did to please God, those who rejected God and His message will be punished for their disbelief, taking God's message in jest and saying that it is 'stories of old.' Since that is exactly what the people of old said about the people before them.


    We are created for a purpose in this life, and God did not create all this for no purpose. Mankind took the covenant with God; that if you do good to please Him - you will be rewarded, but if you reject God and turn away - then He is not in need of you, and you will be punished. If anyone is in doubt of this, then wait, we too are waiting.
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    Re: Cain's wife.

    Adam and Eve were fertile -- they went on to have many other kids... in fact the name lulwah was given to one of their daughters..
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    Re: Cain's wife.

    This sits well with my “God Drops in Theory”. When knowledge contradicts faith, god drops in and suspends problems.

    When problems occurred that there where no explanations for “god’s laws” were created to stop the problem.

    Incest creates biological problems. Since the cause was unknown it just became one of god’s laws. That way god can “Drop In” and make it un-sinful for a while. Later he can “Drop In” and make it sinful again.

    I heard once that you need at least 12 unrelated pairs to create a viable population that could survive the problems associated with inbreeding.

    But of course god could have “Dropped In” and suspended the problems of inbreeding,
    Or may be we evolved just like all other creatures.
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