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    “O Christ-Worshippers!”: A Qasidah Which Refutes Christianity - Ibn ul Qayyim

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    “O Christ-Worshippers!”:
    A Qasidah Which Refutes Christianity



    Ibn al-Qayyim al-Jauziyyah was a prominent Muslim jurist during Islam's Golden Age. Apart from his jurisdistic prowess, he was also competent in composing qasidah (Arabic poetry). Among his more famous works was the qasidah entitled A'obbad al-Maseeh Fi Naqd al-Nasraniyyah (O Christ-Worshippers! In Refuting Christianity). This qasidah is well-known in the Muslim world and has even been turned into a song. The following is the English translation of the poetry which is immediately accompanied by the Arabic original.

    O Christ-worshippers! We want an answer to our question [from your wise ones],

    If the Lord was murdered by some people’s act, what kind of god is this?

    We wonder! Was He pleased by what they did Him?
    If yes, blessed be they, they achieved His pleasure,
    But if He was discontented, this means their power has subjugated Him!

    Was the whole entity left without a Sustainer, so who answered the prayers?
    Were the heavens vacated, when He laid under the ground somewhere?


    Were all the worlds left without a God, to manage while His hands were nailed?
    Why did not the angels help Him, when they heard him while he wailed?


    How could the rods stand to bear the True Lord when He was fastened,

    How could the irons reached Him and [had] His body pinned?
    How could His enemies’ hands reach Him and slap His rear,
    And was Christ revived by himself, or the Reviver was another god?


    What a sight it was, a grave that enclosed a god,


    What is more weird is the belly that had confined Him!

    He stayed there for nine months in utter darkness, fed by blood!


    Then he got out of the womb as a small baby,
    weak and gasping to be breast-fed!
    He ate and drank, and did what that naturally resulted,1
    Is this [what you call] a god?

    High Exalted be Allah above the lies of Christians,
    All of them will be held accountable for their libels!

    O Cross-worshippers! For what reason is this exalted
    and blame [is cast upon those] who reject it?
    Is it not logical to break and burn it, along with the one who innovated it?2


    Since the Lord was crucified on it, and his hands were fastened to it?
    That is really a cursed cross to carry,
    So discard it, do not kiss it!3

    The Lord was abused on it, and you adore it?
    So [it is clear that] you are one of His enemies!
    If you extol it because it carried the Lord of the Worlds,
    Why don’t you prostrate yourself and worship graves,
    Since the grave contained your god in it?

    So Christ-worshipper, open your eyes,
    This is what the matter is all about.4


    Arabic:
    أعباد المسيح لنا سؤال … نريد جوابه ممن وعاه
    إذا مات الإله بصنع قوم … أماتوه فما هذا الإله
    وهل أرضاه ما نالوه منه … فبشراهم إذاً نالوا رضاه
    وإن سخط الذي فعلوه فيه … فقوّتهم إذاً أوهت قِواه

    وهل بقي الوجود بلا إله … سميع يستجيب لمن دعاه
    وهل خلتِ الطباق السبع لما … ثوى تحت التراب وقد علاه
    وهل خلت العوالم من إلهٍ … يدبرها وقد سُمرَت يداه
    وكيف تخلت الأملاك عنه … بنصرهم وقد سمعوا بكاه

    وكيف أطاقت الخشبات حمل الإله … الحق شد على قفاه
    وكيف دنا الحديد إليه حتى … يخالطه ويلحقه أذاه
    وكيف تمكنت أيدي عداه … وطالت حيث قد صفعوا قفاه
    وهل عاد المسيح إلى حياة … أم المحيي له ربّ سواه

    ويا عجباً لقبر ضم رباً … وأعْجَبَ منه بطن قد حواه
    أقام هناك تسعا من شهور … لدى الظلمات من حيضٍ غِذَاه
    وشق الفرج مولودا صغيرا … ضعيفا فاتحا للثدى فاه
    ويأكل ثم يشرب ثم يأتي … بلازم ذاك هل هذا إله
    تعالى الله عن إفك النصارى … سيسأل كلهم عما افتراه

    أعباد الصليب لأي معنى … يعظّم أو يقبّح من رماه
    وهل تقضى العقول بغير كسر … وإحراق له ولمن بغاه
    إذا ركَبَ الإله عليه كرها … وقد شدت لتسمير يداه
    فذاك المركب الملعون حقا … فدسه لا تبسه إذا تراه

    يهان عليه رب الخلق طرّا … وتعبده فإنك من عداه
    فإن عظّمته من أجل أن قد … حوى رب العباد وقد علاه
    وقد فقد الصليب فإن رأينا … له شكلا تذكرنا سناه

    فهلا للقبور سجدت طُرّا … لضم القبر ربَّك في حشاه
    فيا عبد المسيح أفق فهذا … بدايته وهذا منتهاه
    1. Urination and defecation [back]
    2. Paul of Tarsus, founder of Trinitarian faith [back]
    3. i.e., don't glorify it [back]
    4. i.e., since someone who is a Christian abhors the idea of worshipping a grave, how is it possible for them to worship the cross? [back]
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    Re: “O Christ-Worshippers!”: A Qasidah Which Refutes Christianity - Ibn ul Qayyim



    Masha'allah , Jazakallah Khair, I love Ibnul Qayyims poems.
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    Re: “O Christ-Worshippers!”: A Qasidah Which Refutes Christianity - Ibn ul Qayyim


    Jazakhallah Qhayran For Sharing Bro ..
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    A Poem By Ibn Al Qayyim About Christianity

    Assalamu Alaykum everyone ,

    Not sure if this has been posted before but i came across it today and i thought ill share it with you.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tWKQi...elated&search=
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    Re: A Poem By Ibn Al Qayyim About Christianity

    That was awesome subhanallah. So true :'(
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    Re: A Poem By Ibn Al Qayyim About Christianity



    Jazakum Allah Khair, for that beautiful poem...
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    Re: A Poem By Ibn Al Qayyim About Christianity

    format_quote Originally Posted by Angelzz View Post
    Assalamu Alaykum everyone ,

    Not sure if this has been posted before but i came across it today and i thought ill share it with you.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tWKQi...elated&search=


    JazakAllah khayr for posting that up, ukhtee. !!!سُبْحَانَهُ وَتَعَالَى عَمَّا يُشْرِكُونَ

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    Oh, Christ worshipers! A Poem Refuting Christianity

    Oh, Christ worshipers! A Poem Refuting Christianity

    Poem of Ibnul Qayim (English with Arabic)



    قصيدة : أعباد المسيح في نقض النصرانية

    Oh, Christ worshipers! A Poem Refuting Christianity



    أعباد المسيح لنا سؤال ... نريد جوابه ممن وعاه

    Oh, Christ worshipers! We want an answer to our question from your wise.



    إذا مات الإله بصنع قوم ... أماتوه فما هذا الإله

    If the Lord was murdered by some people’s act…what sort of god is this?


    وهل أرضاه ما نالوه منه ... فبشراهم إذاً نالوا رضاه

    We wonder! Was He pleased by what they did Him? If yes,
    blessed be they..they achieved the pleasure of His





    وإن سخط الذي فعلوه فيه ... فقوّتهم إذاً أوهت قِواه

    But if He was discontented… .this means their power subjugated His!!



    وهل بقي الوجود بلا إله ... سميع يستجيب لمن دعاه

    Was the whole entity left without a Sustainer… so who answered the prayers?



    وهل خلتِ الطباق السبع لما ... ثوى تحت التراب وقد علاه

    Were the heavens vacated…when He laid under the ground somewheres?



    وهل خلت العوالم من إلهٍ ... يدبرها وقد سُمرَت يداه

    Were all the worlds left without a God…to manage while His hands were nailed?



    وكيف تخلت الأملاك عنه ... بنصرهم وقد سمعوا بكاه

    Why did not the angles help Him when they heard him while he wailed?



    وكيف أطاقت الخشبات حمل الإله ... الحق شد على قفاه

    How could the rods stand to bear the True Lord when He was fastened



    وكيف دنا الحديد إليه حتى ... يخالطه ويلحقه أذاه

    How could the iron reach Him and His body pinioned?



    وكيف تمكنت أيدي عداه ... وطالت حيث قد صفعوا قفاه

    How could His enemies’ hands reach Him and slap His rear



    وهل عاد المسيح إلى حياة ... أم المحيي له ربّ سواه

    And was Christ revived by himself…or the Reviver was another god?




    ويا عجباً لقبر ضم رباً ... وأعْجَبَ منه بطن قد حواه

    What a sight it is!A grave that enclosed a god!
    What’s more weird is the belly that had Him in it!




    أقام هناك تسعا من شهور ... لدى الظلمات من حيضٍ غِذَاه

    He stayed there for nine months in utter darkness…fed by blood!



    وشق الفرج مولودا صغيرا ... ضعيفا فاتحا للثدى فاه

    Then he got out of the womb as a small baby,
    weak and gaping to be breastfed!




    ويأكل ثم يشرب ثم يأتي ... بلازم ذاك هل هذا إله

    He ate and drank, and did what that naturally resulted in. [1]
    Is this a god??!!



    تعالى الله عن إفك النصارى ... سيسأل كلهم عما افتراه

    High Exalted be Allah above the lies of Christians
    All of them will be held accountable for their libels




    أعباد الصليب لأي معنى ... يعظّم أو يقبّح من رماه

    Oh cross worshipers…for what reason is it exalted
    and blamed who rejects it?




    وهل تقضى العقول بغير كسر ... وإحراق له ولمن بغاه

    Is it not the logic to break and burn it along with the one who innovated it? [2]



    إذا ركَبَ الإله عليه كرها ... وقد شدت لتسمير يداه

    Since the Lord was crucified on it…and his hands were fastened to it?



    فذاك المركب الملعون حقا ... فدسه لا تبسه إذا تراه

    That is really a cursed cross to carry…so discard it
    Don’t kiss it! [3]




    يهان عليه رب الخلق طرّا ... وتعبده فإنك من عداه

    The Lord was abused on it…and you adore it?
    So you are one of His enemies!!




    فإن عظّمته من أجل أن قد ... حوى رب العباد وقد علاه

    If you extol it because it carried the Lord of the worlds



    وقد فقد الصليب فإن رأينا ... له شكلا تذكرنا سناه

    why don’t you prostrate yourself and worship graves,



    فهلا للقبور سجدت طُرّا ... لضم القبر ربَّك في حشاه

    since the grave contained your god in it?


    فيا عبد المسيح أفق فهذا ... بدايته وهذا منتهاه


    So, Christ worshiper, open your eyes,
    this is what the matter is all about. [4]



    From among his more famous works the qasidah entitled A'obbad al-Maseeh Fi Naqd al-Nasraniyyah (O Christ-Worshippers! In Refuting Christianity).

    Footnotes

    1- Urination and defecation
    2- Paul of Tarsus. Founder of Trinity faith.
    3- Don't glorify it
    4- Since you, as a Christian abhor the idea of worshipping a grave,
    how come you find it o.k. to worship the cross??????




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    Re: “O Christ-Worshippers!”: A Qasidah Which Refutes Christianity - Ibn ul Qayyim

    I think I posted some questions on this thread about whether Jesus of the Bible commited any sin from a Muslim perspective. Apart from him claiming to be God which you Muslims believe to be a sin. I dont see that post anywhere. Is it deleted.
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    Re: “O Christ-Worshippers!”: A Qasidah Which Refutes Christianity - Ibn ul Qayyim

    As Salaam Alaykum Wa Rahmatullahi Wa Barakatuhu

    Jazaak'Allah Khair for this benefical poem! Keep it going!

    Wa salaam Wa Rahmatullahi Wa Barakatuhu

    Allah Hafiz
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    Re: “O Christ-Worshippers!”: A Qasidah Which Refutes Christianity - Ibn ul Qayyim

    If Jesus (as) is the Son of God and simultaneously God, why would he say, "Eli, Eli, lama sabachthani?" that is "My God, My God, why have You forsaken me?" Mark 15"34, Matthew 27:46? Not that I believe Jesus (as) said that, but the point is that in the Bible he is referring to another being as "his God" and how can God forsake (renounce or turn away from entirely) himself.

    If Jesus (as) is God, why would he say, "Abba, Father! All things are possible for you; remove this cup from me; yet not what I will, but what You will." Luke 22:42, Mark 14:36, Matthew 26:39? Jesus' (as) will was clearly different from that of the One he was praying to in the Garden of Gethsemane, yet he was willing to submit his personal will to that of "the Father". We know that the One God can't have two contrasting wills at the same time.

    If Jesus (as) is God, how could he be tempted by "the kingdoms of the world and their glory" if only he "fall down and worship" the devil Matthew 4:8-9? How can God be tempted with the ownership of His creation that He already owns? May Allah forgive me for saying, but how is it possible for God to worship the devil?
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    Re: “O Christ-Worshippers!”: A Qasidah Which Refutes Christianity - Ibn ul Qayyim


    *bump...

    great poem
    “O Christ-Worshippers!”: A Qasidah Which Refutes Christianity - Ibn ul Qayyim

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    Re: “O Christ-Worshippers!”: A Qasidah Which Refutes Christianity - Ibn ul Qayyim

    Subhan allah, that was so true and amazing. Christians need to do some more thinking about it
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    Re: “O Christ-Worshippers!”: A Qasidah Which Refutes Christianity - Ibn ul Qayyim

    Greetings and peace be with you all,

    For Christians the death and resurrection of Jesus has a profound meaning. We are created in the image of God, and we pray to God our Father.

    I read the poem with a sadness, that we are not very kind to others when we judge their beliefs.

    Sadly Christians also say the same kind of things about non-Christian beliefs.

    In the spirit of praying for a greater tolerance and understanding between our faiths.

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    Re: “O Christ-Worshippers!”: A Qasidah Which Refutes Christianity - Ibn ul Qayyim

    format_quote Originally Posted by Eric H View Post
    Greetings and peace be with you all,

    I read the poem with a sadness, that we are not very kind to others when we judge their beliefs.
    greetings to you too Eric,
    im sorry you feel that way.... i dont think the poem was written to mock Christianity, but rather to provoke thinking...
    salaam (peace)
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    Re: “O Christ-Worshippers!”: A Qasidah Which Refutes Christianity - Ibn ul Qayyim

    Greetings and peace be with you Ramlah;
    greetings to you too Eric,
    im sorry you feel that way.... i dont think the poem was written to mock Christianity, but rather to provoke thinking...
    salaam (peace)
    The first half of the poem asks all the questions that challenge our faith, and we need to find answers for ourselves. I believe that these kind of questions are justified, because they do cause us to think.

    The second part of the poem changes and makes judgements, and I will just highlight two lines.
    High Exalted be Allah above the lies of Christians,
    All of them will be held accountable for their libels!
    I believe that if we are to read other people's scriptures we should search for the good in them.

    In the spirit of praying for a greater interfaith friendship

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    Re: “O Christ-Worshippers!”: A Qasidah Which Refutes Christianity - Ibn ul Qayyim

    greeting to you too Eric...
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    I believe that if we are to read other people's scriptures we should search for the good in them.
    even though we are refuting them?

    Salaam (peace)
    “O Christ-Worshippers!”: A Qasidah Which Refutes Christianity - Ibn ul Qayyim

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    please make dua that Allah grants me a good end (to my life). please make dua that Allah guides me.

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    Re: “O Christ-Worshippers!”: A Qasidah Which Refutes Christianity - Ibn ul Qayyim

    Greetings and peace be with you Ramlah;
    even though we are refuting them?

    Salaam (peace)
    [/QUOTE]
    During the past three years on this forum many of you have posted passages from the Koran, and then say how it affects your lives. When I read these passages I try and look for the good in them so that I might learn more. Often it helps me to look at my own faith from another perception and gain a deeper understanding.

    I feel that I gain far more searching for the good within your scriptures, than I would if I spent my time trying to refute them. I have a deep faith in the Bible, for me it carries authority and power. I find it a great inspiration from which I can find an inner peace that surpasses all understanding.

    In the spirit of praying for a greater interfaith friendship

    Eric
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    Re: “O Christ-Worshippers!”: A Qasidah Which Refutes Christianity - Ibn ul Qayyim


    does anyone know what the actual source of the Qassidah (poem) is...like the book it was taken from, etc
    “O Christ-Worshippers!”: A Qasidah Which Refutes Christianity - Ibn ul Qayyim

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    Re: “O Christ-Worshippers!”: A Qasidah Which Refutes Christianity - Ibn ul Qayyim

    What kind of God is this ? - a kindly, self-sacrificing God.

    God is both the Cosmokrator - Ruler of the Universe - and Cosmic Victim, both the All-Powerful and the All-Powerless ("One of the names of God is a groan", said Mohammed).

    As God can be in an infinite number of places at once, both running the universe from heaven AND being simultaneously on the Cross was completely possible to Him.

    We don't worship the cross (why do you lyingly pretend that we do ?) - we worship Christos, the Anointed One of God ( = God). Christ-worshippers = God-worshippers.

    Only your ignorance and misunderstanding of Christ and Christianity save you from God's wrath.

    Jesus had two natures; human and divine; He suffered and died only in His human nature.
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