I seek refuge in Allah (The One God) from the Satan (devil) the cursed, the rejected
With the name of ALLAH (swt) -The Bestower Of Unlimited Mercy, The Continously Merciful
Assalamu Alaikum Wa Rahmatullahi Wa Barakatuh (May the peace, mercy and blessings of Allah be upon you)
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Whose life is more precious to
God ?
Babies who have not yet reached at mom’s womb or those lives who have already arrived in this world ?
If u have given one option to save either thousands future unborn babies ( not yet in mothers’ wombs ) or hundreds people living in this world , whom will u save ?
I would love to have answers on religious grounds. What's the stand of Islam & others religions about this . Thanks.
Christ will never be proud to reject to be a slave to God .....holy Quran, chapter Women , 4: 172
From what I understand, you should save the people who are already alive, because there is no guarantee that the unborn babies will live, whereas it is already certain that the alive people are alive. Also, the babies have not been established in this world yet- they don't have people who love them or depend on them in the same way living people do, their deaths will not be as traumatic etc.
(The above is just my opinion... not saying that is how it works).
But then again you are stating that there lives are going to be SAVED, which means that the babies will obviously live lol...
Can you try to explain the question abit more sister? Sorry i never understood. Jazaak Allaah khayr.
ok , here is the background . In anther thread , I was told that why many Americans supported Bush despite the fact that he lied about Iraq war.
I m giving few lines here :
3542 babies are aborted every day, over 1.2 million babies are aborted every year. The deaths of hundreds of thousands of likewise innocent people in Iraq is terrible.
.......... But there has not been a day in the history of the Iraq War when more people died in Iraq than in the USA's abortion parlors.
In 2004 I had to choose between a President who seeks to stop the murder of babies in the USA but thinks he is justified in waging war in Iraq, and another person who wants to make abortion even easier than it already is and was also willing to wage war in Iraq.
.....I think the death of either is inexcusable. I don't know how to stop both, so I try to figure out how to stop the most total deaths.
As I said, I am choosing the lesser of two evils, and right now 700,000 Iraqi deaths in 4 years is less than 1.2 million American babies in 1 year. So, I pinched my nose over the stink of it, and voted for Bush.
Christ will never be proud to reject to be a slave to God .....holy Quran, chapter Women , 4: 172
format_quote Originally Posted by |)431)M1;729096......If you were given a choice between saving thousands of unborn babies, or thousands of people already living in the World who would you pick?[/COLOR
I think that, THIS IS THE Q
almost correct .....thousands unborn babies who yet to come in to mother's wombs vs hundreds living people.
Christ will never be proud to reject to be a slave to God .....holy Quran, chapter Women , 4: 172
Personally I don't think of God as judging one person to be more precious than another. On the issue of abortion vs. war, you just have to look within yourself and decide where your vote can have the most impact. Having more conservative judges on the Supreme Court has already led to the late-term abortion ban.
"Imagination was given to man to compensate him for what he is not, and a sense of humor was provided to console him for what he is."
I don't really see the point of this; it isn't an either/or. Nobody has, or will have such an option so what's the point in seeking a religious viewpoint regarding it?
Babies who have not yet reached at mom’s womb or those lives who have already arrived in this world ?
I believe that all lives are each equally precious to God. However, how could you have a baby who has not yet reached mom's womb? I suspect you mean a baby that was in the mother's womb and not yet born, unless you are talking about an ectopic pregnancy.
If u have given one option to save either thousands future unborn babies ( not yet in mothers’ wombs ) or hundreds people living in this world , whom will u save ?
If this is my only option, I would seek to save the most number of total lives.
Among the reasons I value unborn life as equal with born life are:
1) John the Baptists recognized and celebrated who Jesus was when both of them were still in utero. (Luke 1:41-44)
2)
Pslam 139
13 For you created my inmost being;
you knit me together in my mother's womb.
14 I praise you because I am fearfully and wonderfully made;
your works are wonderful,
I know that full well.
15 My frame was not hidden from you
when I was made in the secret place.
When I read this passage I see in it that God knows us even before we are born, and that already our life has meaning to him. If it does to him, it does to me as well.
I don't really see the point of this; it isn't an either/or. Nobody has, or will have such an option so what's the point in seeking a religious viewpoint regarding it?
format_quote Originally Posted by snakelegs
fortunately we do not have to make choices like this.
that's god's department.
Those of us living in the USA make such choices every time we go to the ballot box.
Babies who have not yet reached at mom’s womb or those lives who have already arrived in this world ?
If u have given one option to save either thousands future unborn babies ( not yet in mothers’ wombs ) or hundreds people living in this world , whom will u save ?
I would love to have answers on religious grounds. What's the stand of Islam & others religions about this . Thanks.
one of the most promiment scholars, I can't remember who he was but when they asked him about a fatwa about "what should i do when this happens.. , he said "when it happens come and ask me".
I go with that too, when it happens to be in that position , then I'll tell u
I think the fiqh ruling of 'lesser of two evils' applies here. It is because of this ruling that abortion becomes permissible if the mother's life is at risk.
Furthermore, according to the Islamic view, ensoulment would not have occured yet in the womb of the mother so technically the unborn babies would not be classed as 'alive'.
So, if it was one or the other, I would save the people who are already living.
Btw, can I ask the reason why you are asking this question? Is it purely hypothetical? It's quite an interesting question.
And Allah knows best
"I spent thirty years learning manners, and I spent twenty years learning knowledge."
Those of us living in the USA make such choices every time we go to the ballot box.
i meant that only god knows the answer - we do not, though we have beliefs and opinions.
in my opinion, the living are more important than the unborn. in other words, i would never vote for a warmonger of either party. (translation - i will probably not choose between a democrat or a republican).
each man thinks of his own fleas as gazelles
question authority
can I ask the reason why you are asking this question?
ya , sure. I already explained this ......the question came in to mind after reading a post in another thread....i gave few lines in post no : ......errrr don't know how to back while typing......ok , it's post 7
here is another line:
You may value the life of an American baby differently than that of an Iraqi family
after reading this logic that many Americans supported Bush because he is against abortion , question came in to mind:
Each life is precious . But , those who have not come in to mothers' wombs yet -------- their lives are more precious to God than those who already arrived in the world ?
sorry if my question is not clear. let me explain 1 more time...if still not clear , then Insha Allah try tomorrow again
Bush will make the abortion harder....thus , many women won't be able to abort their babies as many women are doing now. So , though Bush is a proven liar & murderer , it's better to support him as his opponent will make abortion easier & so many women in future will kill their unwanted babies.
I m not talking about political ground ...let's forget about D & R , think that in ur country , 2 independent candidates are there & u have to select 1.
A is against abortion but loves to start war , other u r not sure if he willl go to war but will make abortion easier , thus in future , many unborn babies will surely die. Now , whom will u support ?
yes, it's up to God to decide who will live & who to die but when we have to apply our logic , then we will think what ? To make sure that thousands of babies can born in the future , it is justified to support a killer who have murdered thousands babies in the past & will surely kill in the future ?
To stop the possible killing of future kids , why not then kill those doctors who are killing babies ? Why not murder those sinners who are committing adultery ? At least , they are not innocent persons as those who were brutally killed in wars.
hope ,it's clearer now.
Last edited by Muslim Woman; 05-04-2007 at 12:22 AM.
Christ will never be proud to reject to be a slave to God .....holy Quran, chapter Women , 4: 172
The Council of Senior Scholars issued the following statement:
1 – It is not permissible to abort a pregnancy at any stage unless there is a legitimate reason, and within very precise limits.
2 – If the pregnancy is in the first stage, which is a period of forty days, and aborting it serves a legitimate purpose or will ward off harm, then it is permissible to abort it. But aborting it at this stage for fear of the difficulty of raising children or of being unable to bear the costs of maintaining and educating them, or for fear for their future or because the couple feel that they have enough children – this is not permissible.
3 – It is not permissible to abort a pregnancy when it is an ‘alaqah (clot) or mudghah (chewed lump of flesh) (which are the second and third periods of forty days each) until a trustworthy medical committee has decided that continuing the pregnancy poses a threat to the mother’s wellbeing, in that there is the fear that she will die if the pregnancy continues. It is permissible to abort it once all means of warding off that danger have been exhausted.
4 – After the third stage, and after four months have passed, it is not permissible to abort the pregnancy unless a group of trustworthy medical specialists decide that keeping the foetus in his mother’s womb will cause her death, and that should only be done after all means of keeping the foetus alive have been exhausted. A concession is made allowing abortion in this case so as to ward off the greater of two evils and to serve the greater of two interests.
Al-Fataawa al-Jaami’ah, 3/1056
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How much Iraqi children are worth?
In 1996 then-UN Ambassador Madeleine Albright was asked by 60 Minutes correspondent Lesley Stahl, in reference to years of U.S.-led economic sanctions against Iraq, “We have heard that half a million children have died. I mean, that is more children than died in Hiroshima. And, you know, is the price worth it?”
To which Ambassador Albright responded, “I think that is a very hard choice, but the price, we think, the price is worth it.”
That remark caused no public outcry. In fact, in January the following year Albright was confirmed by the U.S. Senate as President Clinton’s secretary of state. In her opening statement to the Senate Foreign Relations Committee, which was considering her appointment, she said, “We will insist on maintaining tough UN sanctions against Iraq unless and until that regime complies with relevant Security Council resolutions.”
Apparently no member of the committee asked her about her statement on 60 Minutes.
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