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    i believe in , Odin. what are you your opinions about odin? what are islam opinions about odin?
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    Atheists believe in the evolution of the religions in which the religions evolved from polytheism to monotheism. But we Muslims believe in reverse. We believe there was only belief of one Supreme God Allah at first but later people corrupted their religion and invented false gods. Regarding this, Odin, Zeus, Jupiter etc. might be referring to Allah once upon a time. In Hinduism Brahman can be Allah. It sounds similar...

    But they just corrupted the idea. Invented false attributions to one Supreme God and many false gods beside Him. It is better to believe in Allah who is speaking in Quran just as it says;

    And say: "Truth has arrived, and Falsehood perished: for Falsehood is bound to perish." (17:81)
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    Amantu billahi wa malaikatihi wa kutubihi wa rusulihi wal-yawmil-akhiri wa bil-qadari khayrihi wa sharrihi minallahi taala wal-ba’thu ba’dal-mawti haqqun ashhadu an la ilaha illallah wa ashhadu anna Muhammadan abduhu wa rasuluhu

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    Re: i believe in , Odin

    Quote Originally Posted by anatolian View Post
    Atheists believe in the evolution of the religions in which the religions evolved from polytheism to monotheism. But we Muslims believe in reverse. We believe there was only belief of one Supreme God Allah at first but later people corrupted their religion and invented false gods. Regarding this, Odin, Zeus, Jupiter etc. might be referring to Allah once upon a time. In Hinduism Brahman can be Allah. It sounds similar...

    But they just corrupted the idea. Invented false attributions to one Supreme God and many false gods beside Him. It is better to believe in Allah who is speaking in Quran just as it says;

    And say: "Truth has arrived, and Falsehood perished: for Falsehood is bound to perish." (17:81)
    So the atheists believe similar to what the mushriks believed in the time of the Prophet Muhammad SAW?

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    Re: i believe in , Odin

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    I arrived and signed up at this website because of this post regarding Odin.

    Atheists have a saying these days which has become somewhat popular. They say something like "We just believe in one less God than you" and "Why don't you believe in Odin?"

    A Muslim should believe in only the Ultimate Power. The Ultimate is not a particular individual or object which can be pointed at, but is whatever concept or word represents and indicates "whatever is the most supreme, the greatest". Allah should be a term which indicates "The Ultimate" not that a person is saying "So and So is the Ultimate" but "That which is the Utmost Ultimate is what we mean when we say Allah".

    People seem to get mixed up and tripped up imagining that Allah refers to some particular person or is somehow distinct from any other word indicating "Utmost Ultimateness" and it shouldn't. Anyone who has an idea of what Allah is that is less than the logically reasoned conceptual Ultimate might be playing with idolatrous and materialistic thoughts regarding what is necessarily the Ultimate.

    That being said, any other term can be designated as well, as long as the intended definition and description is the same. That is to say, there are many languages in this world and various language families among humans, but an apple is still an apple when called "pomme" in French. The intended definition is what matters.

    One can say "Allah is a man" and then that Allah is by definition different from "Allah is not a man", the same word is being used, but the people are referring to two different concepts and definitions, it doesn't matter what combination of sounds is used, but the intended meaning is what counts.

    This is important for a religious person who wants to "make religion pure for Allah only" since one should be right minded about what they are worshiping and praying to. What a good Muslim with right knowledge should be praying to is not an individual called Allah, but rather "whatever is the Ultimate". The Ultimate has certain necessary attributes which make it by definition the Ultimate, but the mind should only be directed to "whatever is the Greatest of All, controller and responsible for everything", and that is the religion of Abraham (Ibrahim) as described in the Qur'an, first he looked to the natural powers, and then to what seemed better and better until realizing the Ultimate beyond all those things, the Ultimate Reality, the Supreme Truth, the Eternal Nature, The Unstoppable Power, that is Allah.

    Now, if the term Odin is used to refer to the same, Odin (which means Fury and Inspiration, connected to ideas of the furious forces of nature and weather and the power to inspire furious inspiration and revelation in the mind) is an appropriate term to refer to Allah or the Ultimate or an attribute of Allah, since Allah is the controller of the weather and the forces of nature and is the power behind all Nature and Experience itself, as well as the controller of the mind, the thoughts, and the one that inspires revelation. Thus the essential definition of Odin and the qualities of Allah fit. Allah is the King and Controller of the Natural Forces, Odin is the King and the Controller of the Natural Forces, Amun (the word meaning Hidden from Egypt) is the term that was used for the King and the Controller of the Natural Forces, Vishnu (Pervading), Shiva (Auspicious), Ahura (Lord), are all terms which can and have been used to refer to the same Ultimate Power at the top of the list which all the natural powers are ultimately controlled by.

    So do we believe in Odin? Certainly. The term Lucifer and Satan can refer to some things or other things. The term Lucifer means "Light Bearer" and was used to refer to the Morning Star, but we can use it to refer to the true bearer of both natural and spiritual "light" (as in knowledge and information) or "that which makes people see". Satan means "enemy" and can refer to our enemies, or the one that can be the greatest enemy of all, which can only be the most powerful and worthy of fear for those who make themselves enemies to Allah there can be no greater "Satan" for them. It is a matter of language and which linguistic framework one is using.

    We believe in Odin if the definition is right. We also believe in Thor (which means Thunder), and the Thunder Praises Allah who created it.
    But no, I reject Odin, and believe in Allah alone. I get what you mean. But if Allah did not call Himself Odin, I won't either. It just confuses people more.

    Odin has depictions of human beings.

    Do you even know what associations Odin has, etc? People may, may Allah protect us, confuse & think Odin for another God besides Allah, Audhu billah. To which there is no deity besides Allah.

    I call upon Allah by what He revealed in the Quran. I reject Odin, because of the confusions it may entail.

    Lets not confuse this! ALLAH ALONE is the controller AND King of everything, not Odin, Not whatever. Allah alone!

    I know, God, Allah, and in whatever language.. It is all sematics. That is not what I'm saying here.

    The definition of God or Allah in the Quran is in The Surah Al Ikhlas:

    Allah is One,
    The Eternal Refuge,
    He neither begets nor is He begotten,
    Nor is there unto Him any equal.

    If it fits the description, then yes, that is God, and is the ,one we believe in. But I reject Odin because of what I know of Odin, and it has nothing to do with the definition in the Quran.
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    Re: i believe in , Odin

    Quote Originally Posted by Pygoscelis View Post
    Holy thread necro batman
    Whyyyyy??

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    Re: i believe in , Odin

    Quote Originally Posted by anatolian View Post
    Atheists believe in the evolution of the religions in which the religions evolved from polytheism to monotheism.
    Why do you assume that of Atheists? Polytheism and monotheism probably wobbled back and forth throughout history.

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    Re: i believe in , Odin

    Quote Originally Posted by Muezzin View Post
    Whyyyyy??
    Why indeed. BTW my "holy thread necro" was a response to a post that has now been deleted by FreedomStands... who appears to himself be gone.
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    Re: i believe in , Odin

    Quote Originally Posted by Pygoscelis View Post
    Why do you assume that of Atheists? Polytheism and monotheism probably wobbled back and forth throughout history.
    Yes I shouldnt have generalized it. But there is such an opinion within the materialist philosophy as far as I know.
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    Amantu billahi wa malaikatihi wa kutubihi wa rusulihi wal-yawmil-akhiri wa bil-qadari khayrihi wa sharrihi minallahi taala wal-ba’thu ba’dal-mawti haqqun ashhadu an la ilaha illallah wa ashhadu anna Muhammadan abduhu wa rasuluhu

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    Re: i believe in , Odin

    Quote Originally Posted by anatolian View Post
    Yes I shouldnt have generalized it. But there is such an opinion within the materialist philosophy as far as I know.
    Maybe there is, but I don't see why there would be, and I am pretty much a materialist (don't believe in ghosts, psychic energy, Gods, etc).

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    Re: i believe in , Odin

    I will toast the Allfather with you I'm a big fan of vikings, the series about Ragnar (who is semi-mythical, it' said).
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    If you have read the Edda's, he was actually a Turkish refugee haha

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    Re: i believe in , Odin

    Here is the text from Snorri's introduction in the prose Edda

    Odin had second sight, and his wife also; and from their foreknowledge he found that his name should be exalted in the northern part of the world and glorified above the fame of all other kings. Therefore, he made ready to journey out of Turkland, and was accompanied by a great multitude of people, young folk and old, men and women; and they had with them much goods of great price. And wherever they went over the lands of the earth, many glorious things were spoken of them, so that they were held more like gods than men. They made no end to their journeying till they were come north into the land that is now called Saxland; there Odin tarried for a long space, and took the land into his own hand, far and wide.

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    Re: i believe in , Odin

    When you quote "Turkland" you do realise it's not Turkey, right? But east of the Caspian sea? Scythian territory of old? Greater Asia.

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    Re: i believe in , Odin

    Quote Originally Posted by viking View Post
    i believe in , Odin. what are you your opinions about odin? what are islam opinions about odin?


    The Tabulus Rogeriana, 13th century, made by Sherif Al Idrisi for King Roger - the Viking King of Sicily - this is the first world map ever made.

    You will find right by the landmass known as Norway, to the east of it is marked in Arabic, Ard Yajuj and Ard Majuj, meaning land of gog and land of magog respectively.

    Let's not forget, that when the Vikings attacked Lindesfaren in 793 CE: the Christian monks of Lindesfarne idenitifed them as the scourge of humanity - gog magog.

    I hope this helps.

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    Re: i believe in , Odin

    Quote Originally Posted by Timi Scar View Post
    When you quote "Turkland" you do realise it's not Turkey, right? But east of the Caspian sea? Scythian territory of old? Greater Asia.

    Scimi
    Of course the boarders have been moving throughout history.
    Greece and Turkey being the area spoken about.

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    Re: i believe in , Odin

    Nope,

    Not Greece and Turkey, East of the Caspian Sea - Greater Asia that's what is meant by Turkland in ancient history of Herodotus, Pliny the Elder, Xenophon, Josephus, etc...

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    Re: i believe in , Odin

    Who the hell is Odin?!
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    Re: i believe in , Odin

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    Who the hell is Odin?!
    The ancient Germanic god. Many people whose nowadays claim to "believe" it don´t actually know much about the myths, poets and ancient stories of this god but see it as part of the neo-paganism cult.

    In some western countries is now "Soldiers of Odin"- groups, which are openly racists. In Finland "Soldiers of Odin" is also a registered trademark for manufacturing pink fabric bags and t-shirts with the sing of unicorn.

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    I'll see you one Sharia4Uk/Anjem Choudry/Sharia4Sweden and raise you a Soldiers of Odin.

    Tribalism is bad. Very bad. We all shouldn't indulge. Hopefully, we will never need to.

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    I'll see you one Sharia4Uk/Anjem Choudry/Sharia4Sweden and raise you a Soldiers of Odin.

    Tribalism is bad. Very bad. We all shouldn't indulge. Hopefully, we will never need to.
    You need to get out more.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Snow View Post
    If you have read the Edda's, he was actually a Turkish refugee haha
    Everybody was Turk once upon a time
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    Amantu billahi wa malaikatihi wa kutubihi wa rusulihi wal-yawmil-akhiri wa bil-qadari khayrihi wa sharrihi minallahi taala wal-ba’thu ba’dal-mawti haqqun ashhadu an la ilaha illallah wa ashhadu anna Muhammadan abduhu wa rasuluhu

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