I dont think that was me.
Perhaps you could find it. And perhaps i got similar answers.
No thanks, not interested in waisting my time.
We have no evidence of Jinns. And you seem to be avoiding the question of time.
Jinns exist, plenty of evidence out there, Just need to go out and look for it. I answered your questions to the point, not my fault you can't comprehend.
Thats not my understanding of it at all. Do you have a source.
Here is mine. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Population_bottleneck
Essentially it occures when a significant portion of a population dies off. But once again this doesnt relate to the thread.
Bottleneck effect refers to the reduction of a population’s gene pool and the accompanying changes in gene frequency produced when a few members survive the widespread elimination of a species. (or you start out with a very small gene pool/population).
Evidence? Its hard for me to believe because you have no evidence.
The statistical information out there tends to show that diet and enviroment will effect height.
you have a 5foot man and you have a 7foot man, all this is influenced by diet, environment and genetics. So yea your height is affected by all that stuff. But you are thinking on a micro level rather then macro. You won't see anyone taller than 9 or 10feet today. I'm taking about first human being created 27feet tall and over the passing generations that height shrunk as did the age range measured in decades today compared to centuries before. If you can find dinosaur bodies then i'm sure you can find a giant human body too somewhere, just because it has not been found does not mean it doesn't exist, that's basic science. But then again if you rely on scientific evidence only then i feel sorry for you, how many times has that evidence become flawed? what you fail to understand is our evidence and science is limited to our capacity to invent theories and prove them right. What could not be done yesterday (flying) can be done today, and what we may think scientifically impossible maybe done tomorrow. So if you judge a world around you by your limited scientific evidence and understanding then you are limiting your capacity to understand on a grand scale. Man trapped in a glass bubble will think the universe is only as big as the bubble.
[/quote] Not to mention it seems to me that your facts are flawed. It does benefit us to have knowledge about the world and how we came to being.
It makes me sad when people choose ignorance as it seems you are.[/quote]
Islam encourages you to think, ponder, reflect and search. Muslims were pioneers in all fields from arts, medicine, astronomy to everything else while the Europeans were still in the dark ages. Learning medicine and life benefits you, you can help humanity with that knowledge. Debating over if dinosaurs existed or not and blah blah is useless knoweldge because it does not benefit humanity. It is nothing more than conjuring up fantasy stories. The ignorant are the ones who waste time on idle things when they can better spend their time.
Wow, “apart from still being off topic”
Why does your def
format_quote Originally Posted by islamirama
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Also, have you heard of bottleneck effect? it's a scientific term used to describe a specie that marries within its own family and each generation shrinks smaller and smaller over time. ...
And this next one you provided have nothing to do with each other?
Im stil curious how marriage has anything to do with it. It seems my rough def summed up what you posted below.
format_quote Originally Posted by islamirama
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Bottleneck effect refers to the reduction of a population’s gene pool and the accompanying changes in gene frequency produced when a few members survive the widespread elimination of a species. (or you start out with a very small gene pool/population). http://www.emc.maricopa.edu/faculty/...ookEVOLII.html
As for human height, you have not shown any evidence.
There is no evidence that humans have ever been 27 feet high. So your still lacking in evidence. Please provide.
And now back to the thread. Dinosaurs.
How old is the earth, when did dinosaurs live, did the live with humans etc….
According to islam.
Wow, “apart from still being off topic”
Why does your def
And this next one you provided have nothing to do with each other?
Im stil curious how marriage has anything to do with it. It seems my rough def summed up what you posted below.
As for human height, you have not shown any evidence.
There is no evidence that humans have ever been 27 feet high. So your still lacking in evidence. Please provide.
And now back to the thread. Dinosaurs.
well lets just say you have your prophets (scientists) and we have ours. The difference is that our prophets are never wrong where as yours are often wrong and going back to the drawing board. And you brought up the topic of human beings but we'll drop it for now.
How old is the earth, when did dinosaurs live, did the live with humans etc….
According to islam.
I have not come across anything in Islam that specifically gives you an exact number or anything. I don't think you'll come across any religious or non-religious material that'll spell it out for you on this stuff. We can guess about how long humans have been on earth based on the ages of the prophets that has been recorded. But then we know many things have existed long before humans came along. I find it rather amusing you can dismiss jinns or any other creatures existence because of the limited science capabilities to prove them, and yet your entertainment culture is nothing but either about robots like gundam seed or about jinns and demons like inuyasha, bleach, and other such anime.
Anyways, science is good for current events like advancements in healths system and what not. They can speculate how old earth could be from rocks and what not but at end of the day, it is still nothing more than a theory, a guess. Scientists long believed it took millions of years for our universe to create itself. They taught this as a FACT in science classes for decades. But recent observation and discovery of a galaxy forming shows them that rather then millions of years, it could've been only a few thousand years. So like i said, scientific facts are facts because of humans limits and those facts are always changing like the wind when they learn something new.
Dinosaurs later evolved into super-giants then went extinct approximately 65 million years ago, except for the smaller dinosaurs that could fly we now call "birds".
Dinosaurs later evolved into super-giants then went extinct approximately 65 million years ago, except for the smaller dinosaurs that could fly we now call "birds".
Evolutionist say that humans evolved from monkeys, that other animals evolved from other animals. why are monkies still around? why is crow still around and unchanged for millions of years? The trouble with "millions" of years is that it is all speculated, in other words "guessed". Today these "experts" say millions of years, tomorrow when they get a little smarter in IQ and technology, they'll say 1000s of years instead, like the creation of galaxies (see link in my previous post).
Dinosaurs later evolved into super-giants then went extinct approximately 65 million years ago, except for the smaller dinosaurs that could fly we now call "birds".
interesting.. I have already covered this, and don't want every topic to be an evolution topic as if the major theme of our existence..
you'd be interested to know that before the dinos, from 360- 450 mil yrs depending on the source you read were the Coelacanth.. thought to be the 'missing link' you know our eldest ancestors that have made it to land, later developed arms legs and lungs, well they swim today un-evolved ..
ultimately everyone should be not just spiritually but scientifically happy with their conclusions as they have drawn them from the evidence presented them.
I have already said my 'peace' on dozens of threads here on the matter.. it doesn't come down to religion vs science rather science vs. science ..
until there is palpable reproducible evidence of some sort.. there is no point in dragging this out on every post in show of one-upmanship
peace!
Text without context is pretext If your opponent is of choleric temperament, seek to irritate him
Evolutionist say that humans evolved from monkeys, that other animals evolved from other animals. why are monkies still around?
The proper wording is that we evolved from a "common ancestor" that shared by great-ape. Monkeys are further down on the tree of life. We did not "come from" a monkey or an ape, we just share a common ancestor. It's like you and a cousin will both share a common ancestor (grandparents), but both of you are still here at the same time. You do not come from your cousin.
format_quote Originally Posted by islamirama
why is crow still around and unchanged for millions of years?
I'm not sure if a crow has remain unchanged for that long. But animals that are well adapted for their environment do not go extinct like others do. Mosquitoes once fed on dinosaurs. Their DNA code has probably changed but their body plan (morphology) remained roughly the same because it works well.
format_quote Originally Posted by islamirama
The trouble with "millions" of years is that it is all speculated, in other words "guessed".
Not at all. The dates are derived from radiometric dating. It's very accurate.
What you are hearing are rumors that are untrue. Scientists know what they're doing.
format_quote Originally Posted by islamirama
Today these "experts" say millions of years, tomorrow when they get a little smarter in IQ and technology, they'll say 1000s of years instead, like the creation of galaxies (see link in my previous post).
Nope. That will not happen. The qualified scientists are very certain that the dates are correct. They have been correlated with tree rings of trees that are thousands of years old and other things that have a known age. The machines they use for dating have been proven to be accurate.
interesting.. I have already covered this, and don't want every topic to be an evolution topic as if the major theme of our existence..
Same here! But the topic seems to come up on its own. And being into dinosaurs myself, I couldn't help reply to the thread with what I have learned.
format_quote Originally Posted by PurestAmbrosia
you'd be interested to know that before the dinos, from 360- 450 mil yrs depending on the source you read were the Coelacanth.. thought to be the 'missing link' you know our eldest ancestors that have made it to land, later developed arms legs and lungs, well they swim today un-evolved ..
There have been transitional fossils that later evolved, found too. But there are no known living examples of thisone.
And I must add that genotype (DNA code) does change over time but phenotype (what they look like) can remain much the same. Coelacanth has changed, we once compared the fossils to the present fish and there are differences.
The crocodile is still around too, but 200 million years ago they were bipedal (walked on hind legs). Their footprints are also found locally.
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Reason: "And I must add" part
The proper wording is that we evolved from a "common ancestor" that shared by great-ape. Monkeys are further down on the tree of life. We did not "come from" a monkey or an ape, we just share a common ancestor. It's like you and a cousin will both share a common ancestor (grandparents), but both of you are still here at the same time. You do not come from your cousin.
It's all matter of belief. you choose to believe we have same grandpa and i choose to believe we all are distinct species with out own ancestors.
I'm not sure if a crow has remain unchanged for that long. But animals that are well adapted for their environment do not go extinct like others do. Mosquitoes once fed on dinosaurs. Their DNA code has probably changed but their body plan (morphology) remained roughly the same because it works well.
First time i've heard that, outer body is the same but inner could be changed. Kinda weak defense when your main evolution theory falls apart on these animals.
Not at all. The dates are derived from radiometric dating. It's very accurate.
Nope. That will not happen. The qualified scientists are very certain that the dates are correct. They have been correlated with tree rings of trees that are thousands of years old and other things that have a known age. The machines they use for dating have been proven to be accurate.
I"m all for factual findings. Finding the age of tree from its rinks or cliff life from its residual rock linings, radioactive or carbon dating or any other method of measuring. That is science. But speculating it took earth millions of years to form or other theories aka guesses is just fantasy thinking. Look at the link shared previously. Scientists first believed and taught in books that it took millions of years for earth or this milky way to form, and in light of this new discovery of a galaxy forming, they are now saying it could've taken 1000s of years rather then millions. Like i said before, such topics and fields are only guess work till more evidence comes around to prove it wrong and new guesses are formed. We can tell how old trees or rocks are becuase we have something to work with, but no idea how old earth is or how long it took for universe to form or galaxies, nothing to work with but tid bits these guys catch on their little toys while looking at the sky.
islamirama,
the biggest difference is science is supported by evidence.
religion in general is not. "that pesky faith thing"
Science also does not know everything so it improves as we gain knowledge.
Religion does not adapt and it takes alot for it to admit it was wrong.
"of course we are the center of the universe...."
now back to DINOSAURS.
"Rawr... TREX goes back into forest."
Science is flawed, there's lot of guess work and lot of theories that are taught as facts.
Religion too was based on evidence the prophets showed to the people. Today it is a religion because we hold faith on those facts shown at that time. try www.islam-guide.com
What do you think Scientology is if not religion of the science?
Not all religions are right and not uncorrupted with human interventions. Islam encourages science and knowledge. Muslims are ahead of the world in science and astronomy when europe was still in its dark ages and japan was in its fuedal wars.
Can't believe in on science blindly.
"our galazy is milions of years old,...oh wait based on new facts it could've been just few thousand years" Dope!
Dinosaurs existed millions of years before the earliest known human fossils. They did not live side by side according to scientific knowledge.
Islam doesn't talk about dinosaurs, just like it doesn't talk about florescent fish that live in the pitch black of the ocean or how many moons jupiter has.
It is totally irrelevant to religion, if someone cares about dinosaurs then they should look at the fossil records and the like, not religion.
What do you think Scientology is if not religion of the science?
You need to do a little basic research. 'Scientology' is nothing of the the sort.
Science is flawed, there's lot of guess work and lot of theories that are taught as facts.
There is no guessing and neither are "theories taught as facts". Again, may I suggest you do some minimal research, in this instance as to what a scientific theory actually is; the word 'theory' has a specific definition in that context outside of its general usage.
Doesn't mean science has all the answers, though!!
Dinosaurs existed millions of years before the earliest known human fossils. They did not live side by side according to scientific knowledge.
Islam doesn't talk about dinosaurs, just like it doesn't talk about florescent fish that live in the pitch black of the ocean or how many moons jupiter has.
It is totally irrelevant to religion, if someone cares about dinosaurs then they should look at the fossil records and the like, not religion.
is the story of our creation in islam to be taken literally or figuratively?
If taken literally then how old is the earth? When were the dinosaurs created and when were we created in realtion to them.
Creation is literal. God created us in the way He said He did.
There is nothing direct or explicit in Islam to say how long ago the earth was created. I did once come across an article putting together different kinds of figures from here and there to come up with an estimate of how long ago Adam as created (and I can't find it any more!! ) but as for the universe, earth and dinosaurs, we know nothing.
There is evidence that dinosaurs did live with humans. Human and dinosaur tracks have been found in the same layers of rock. Cave drawings of dinosaurs have been found. The Ica stones in Peru show pictures of humans and dinosaurs co-existing.
The word 'dinosaur' is a recent creation, as PurestAmbrosia has said. However, before that time, dinosaurs were called "dragons". Just about every culture on this planet has stories about dragons.
Also, Job chapter 40 (I believe) contains a description of a creature called "Behemoth". This description perfectly matches an Apatosaurus.
For more info on dinosaurs in the Christian Bible, see Kent Hovind's third video "Dinosaurs in the Bible" on www.drdino.com . And for those of you who malign Kent Hovind, leave the messenger out of it and consider the message that he is telling you. Don't try to destroy the message by attacking the messenger.
There is evidence that dinosaurs did live with humans. Human and dinosaur tracks have been found in the same layers of rock. Cave drawings of dinosaurs have been found. The Ica stones in Peru show pictures of humans and dinosaurs co-existing.
There is no 'evidence' whatsoever for this particular fairy story outside the imagination of die-hard creationists. The Ica stones are universally recognised as forgeries by anyone other than creationists and Erich von Daniken "ancient aliens" types. The 'human' tracks at the Paluxy River turned out to be nothing of the sort - although of course trivial details like that get left off creationist websites.
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