SUMTHING ABOUT PPL WHO BELIEVE IN NATURE (SHORT ARTICLE U WONT GET BORED)

**Taalib-e-'Ilm** · 01-08-2005

Assalamualaykum Brothers and Sisters once again,

THis time i would like to highlight on the fact that the world wasnt created by some "BANG" or sum kind of chemical crap.... which doesnt make sense at alll!!!! Science says that the BIG BANG occured because of two chemicals-im not sure which onez though but my point is that how did the chemicals gets there? Someone must have made the chemicals? and by the way ISLAM SAYS THAT THEIR WAS NO BIG BANG!!!!!!!!!
One little story:
A Shaykh (Im not sure if it was Shaykh Hamza Yusuf) once was talking with this guy...who didn't believe in God and all he believed was in nature and humans. So the guy who i believe was an atheist (NO OFFENCE) invited this Muslim Scholar Shaykh Hamza Yusuf to a debate about this topic of how the world was created. So Shaikh said that come on this day, meet me at this place and at this time.
THe atheist guy got their b4 time, but shaikh wasn't their yet for the debate. So the guy got a bit mad because it was like an hour passed from the time which Shaikh fixed. After some time Shaikh arrived, and the guy told shaikh like everyone else that wouldv'e done... that dont u have any sense of how precious time is... and SHaikh explained that it wasnt my fault i got here late. You wont believe wot had happened on my way to this debate.
THe guy asked "Wot Happened?"Shaikh said that "the bridge which connected that part of the town and this part of the town was broken. So i went down near the shore to see if their were any boats their... but it was really quite and hardly saw anyone. All of a sudden i heard sum funny noises from behind me, and i looked back and saw that a tree is cutting it's own branches and saw that the wood which dropped one after the other was forming a sort of a shape, and then I saw that the tree had made a boat for me to sail on and the amazing bit is that as soon as i sat in the boat it started rowing itself till i got to this part of the town."
The Guy then said "I dont believe you, how can that be?"
THe Shaikh then said: "Well you know wot? I just told u that a small thing like one single tree created a boat for me but u believe that the whole world was created by itself- now u tell me how can that be possible?"!!!!!!!!!!!![/ :applaud:[/B]

**root** · 01-14-2005

e.g. evolution theory -. some people believe that we evolved from monkey. using science we can see the similarities between human and monkey. their are several features that are extremely similar ( ill not divulge into these tho). but islam tells us that we didnt evolve from monkey.

Such as we share a 99% DNA Match! Or that they will kill their own kind in territorial disputes.

no because it is simply a tool as u have stated
can we use our religion to explain the afterlife - almost certainly

The after life you beleive you are going to is a theory, just like I beleive that I will simply be dead, with no spiritual after life.

**aamirsaab** · 01-14-2005

thank you root

we both share similar ideas on this subject.

**kadafi** · 01-14-2005

Originally Posted by aamirsaab

in reference 2 kadafis reply

when i said sometimes islam and science mix and sometimes they dont i meant :
that sometimes u can explian stuff in islam with science
but sometimes u cant
e.g. evolution theory -. some people believe that we evolved from monkey. using science we can see the similarities between human and monkey. their are several features that are extremely similar ( ill not divulge into these tho). but islam tells us that we didnt evolve from monkey.

brother,

Brother, when I make mention of the term science, I automatically refer it to established science and not theses. There are some theories who contradict what Islam stands for (i.e. evolution). And by the way, the evolution theory is not science but a dogma kept alive in spite of it. Some may argue that it's part of science but it's controversial.

with regards to science being a tool/
yes it is a tool.
but that does not mean we have to use it all the time.
sometimes we cn find an explanation with science.
if we cant then perhaps the answer lies in our religion
or perhaps we as humans are not suppose to know these things yet.

Brother, you misconstrued the essence of my point. Science is a tool used to explain the creation of God. There are atleast 1200 versesin the Qur'an which deal with scientific subjects. And in some verses (Ayahs) Allah SWT asks us to ponder on His creation. Allah SWT ends with these verses with the line "the Signs for those people who think or are wise." Inna Fi Dalika La Ayathin Li Qaumin Yatha Fakkarun.

So my point is that science is nothin' more than the examination of Allah's creation. I never implied or specifically stated that we should "follow" science, we just should ponder about his Creation.

"...reflect on the creation of the heavens and the Earth (saying): Our Lord! Thou hast not created this in vain! Glory be to Thee"
Imran:191

Wa'salaam

**kadafi** · 01-14-2005

Originally Posted by root

Such as we share a 99% DNA Match! Or that they will kill their own kind in territorial disputes.

The 99% DNA myth has been confuted by many scientists.

http://www.harunyahya.com/mediawatch...dead_sci34.php

**Brother_Mujahid** · 01-14-2005

Originally Posted by root

So according to you I am a religous person?

well you follow the religion of 'athiests', the religion of mens minds and thoughts.

the followers just go with the flow kind of thing.

**aamirsaab** · 01-14-2005

and so this most excellent discussion is at an end
what say u kadafi
has the discussion ended? or is there still life in it yet?

**Brother_Mujahid** · 01-14-2005

Originally Posted by aamirsaab

and so this most excellent discussion is at an end
what say u kadafi
has the discussion ended?

dont say that or he'll lock it up for good :confused:

**root** · 01-14-2005

The fundamental laws that we draw upon in science, are now fighting it out. But which theory survives, and which one falls to the waste side.

Despite Tomasko's off-the-cuff interpretation of the initial picture, it was not immediately clear whether the images did, in fact, show liquid ethane or related compounds theorized to exist on the surface.

http://www.spaceflightnow.com/cassini/050114pix.html

**root** · 01-16-2005

Been away a few days due to the landing of the Titan probe. Great stuff, I personally am delighted that Titan is not covered in Crators, sure sign that a Planet\Moon has nature at work.

Feel this thread is starting to go down the Creationism v Evolution. So I thought I would quote your official stance on the matter.

Such statements in the Qur'an concerning the Creation, which appeared nearly fourteen centuries ago, obviously do not lend themselves to a human explanation.

**kadafi** · 01-16-2005

Such statements in the Qur'an concerning the Creation, which appeared nearly fourteen centuries ago, obviously do not lend themselves to a human explanation.

A wonderful statement, too bad you do not see that way.

I do have a question for you root and since this thread has run its course, it would be appropiate to ask. Perhaps we could create a new topic regarding this.

What made you denounce the existence of God? Since you probably see the religious people as fideists, what made you realize that God cannot possibly exist. Now, I do not want you to perceive this question as a attack to your beliefs but I just want to read your reasons.

Peace!

**root** · 02-27-2005

I do have a question for you root and since this thread has run its course, it would be appropiate to ask. Perhaps we could create a new topic regarding this.

What made you denounce the existence of God?

That would imply I accepted it in the first place, considering I was born into a Christian faith does not imply a conciouse decision by myself to do so. I consider it more "Opting Out".

Since you probably see the religious people as fideists, what made you realize that God cannot possibly exist.

I don't imply God's non existence, and thus I don't deny we may well be a result of Creation. I just don't subcribe to the Religous explanation of "Why and how we came to be"

Now, I do not want you to perceive this question as a attack to your beliefs but I just want to read your reasons.

I don't perceive your comments as an attack. I respect the Muslim faith, I simply don't subscribe to it.

**جوري** · 07-05-2012

Originally Posted by root

I dislike the notion of "Intelligent design" being so complex how could it evolve. It's like debating the "Fire cracking beatle". Complexity is not a supporting arguement for scientific facts.

neither is the 'science' you present here an explanation (as I have been reading quite a few of your posts)
You theorize incorrectly and you simply substitute one set of 'evidence' which you deem acceptable for another set that you deem unacceptable .. at the end of the day you loan yourself to even more colorful fairy tales.
I have not seen ONE decent argument against 'intelligent design' just alot of intellectual bullying & dishonesty.
Science should actually concern itself with the details and you're asking us simply to skip over them because you've decided that complexity isn't a factor. How about complexity that facilitates function and form? putting an x number of amino acids together will not make a compound purposeful or functional, annealing a denatured husk will not give it its former shape.. so my question is, where do you get this mordant bravado to speak against creationism when what you offer comes off so pathetically empty?

Also as a side note, I do wonder what your definition of 'evolution' is?

best,

**Muezzin** · 07-05-2012

Holy Thread Necromancy, Batman!

**جوري** · 07-05-2012

Originally Posted by Muezzin

Holy Thread Necromancy, Batman!

I know dude but there were a couple of dwellers here from way back when I'd have loved to have dueled with.
I don't know why i enjoy extreme challenges & the hunt.. not that I think either of them contenders anyway but things have quieted around here and become boring with all the 'ex' this and 'ex' that...

**ardianto** · 07-07-2012

Originally Posted by Uthmān

Doesn't this imply the big bang? I've heard that story before. I agree that the world wasn't created by itself but Allah (SWT) made the big bang happen and thus the universe was created.

Assalamu'alaikum

There are many Muslim astronomers in my place. They said, there was a Big Bang that created the universe. They made this conclusion after they observed the universe. What made the Big Bang? the Muslim astronomers could not give exact answer except, "Allah wanted it happen". Ulama added this conclusion with "If Allah want something happen, He just say: Kun Fayakun (happen, then happen)".

Science is not against Islam, even in science and nature we can find signs of the greatness of Allah.

"Indeed, in the creation of the heavens and earth, and the alternation of the night and the day, and the [great] ships which sail through the sea with that which benefits people, and what Allah has sent down from the heavens of rain, giving life thereby to the earth after its lifelessness and dispersing therein every [kind of] moving creature, and [His] directing of the winds and the clouds controlled between the heaven and the earth are signs for a people who use reason"
(Al-Baqarah: 164)