I have a question that has recently come to me. I know, according to Islam that Jesus Christ did not die on the cross according to Muslims. That in his place was a look alike, someone who looked like him. Possibly Simon of Cyrene or Judas Iscariot. I think it more likely Judas Iscariot who is said to have betrayed Jesus and is it not said that it was someone who betrayed him that ended up on the cross in his place?
What I want to know is why the truth was not reveled until Mohammad PBUH 600 years later?
As I understand it, those who were close to Jesus knew he was not going to be placed on the cross, that it was someone in his place. Then he was raised to heaven. Why then didn't they reveal this to the world? That Jesus did not die on the cross? It would have been a blow to the Romans. Yes, you tried to kill our prophet but you failed? Why keep it a secret? Furthermore two of his closest disciples, Peter and John, both write Gospels that ended up in the Bible. Why didn't they right what is called the truth? Why wait until Mohammad?
In a way you could almost call Christianity the fault of Islam. If Jesus and his followers were Muslims. If the truth is Jesus did not die on the cross it should have been told. Why let people live under this false belief? Why let this idea go unchecked? Gospels were being written within the lifetimes of those who were close to Jesus, why didn't they correct this? Surely atleast at that time people would be overjoyed to know Jesus did not die on the cross? That in a way Muslims, even Jesus, his followers are all responsible for this? That for Christians to follow what is "wrong" is our own fault!
OK, Here are the verses where Jesus said He will die, and even referred to crucifixion, and will rise from Death.
I also included a few verses where he appeared to the Apostles. They were very scared when they saw Jesus, because they thought He was a ghost.
Therefore, they knew Jesus was dead.
He then told them to see the wounds where He was pierced on the cross, and mentioned that It is He who died, but is alive.
Jesus predicts his death by crucifixion.
In Mark Jesus predicts his death three times, recorded in Mark 8:31-33, 9:30-32 and 10:32-34.Matthew 16:21–28
In Matthew 16:21–28 Jesus said "from that time", i.e. on a number of occasions, Jesus "began to show his disciples that he must go to Jerusalem and suffer many things from the elders and chief priests and scribes, and be killed.
The Gospel of Luke 9:22–27 shortens the account
In Matthew 20:17–19 Jesus specifically mentions crucifixion.
The same in Matthew 26:1–2. Jesus said He rose from the dead. Luk 24:36 And as they thus spake, Jesus himself stood in the midst of them, and saith unto them, Peace be unto you. Luk 24:37 But they were terrified and affrighted, and supposed that they had seen a spirit. Luk 24:38 And he said unto them, Why are ye troubled? and why do thoughts arise in your hearts? Luk 24:39 Behold my hands and my feet, that it is I myself: handle me, and see; for a spirit hath not flesh and bones, as ye see me have. Luk 24:40 And when he had thus spoken, he shewed them his hands and his feet. Jesus showed the apostles his hands and his side where he was pierced. Joh 20:19 Then the same day at evening, being the first day of the week, when the doors were shut where the disciples were assembled for fear of the Jews, came Jesus and stood in the midst, and saith unto them, Peace be unto you. Joh 20:20 And when he had so said, he shewed unto them his hands and his side. Then were the disciples glad, when they saw the Lord. Joh 20:21 Then said Jesus to them again, Peace be unto you: as my Father hath sent me, even so send I you. Thomas did not believe Jesus rose from the dead, but Jesus appeared to the Apostles again showing Thomas his wounds. Joh 20:26 And after eight days again his disciples were within, and Thomas with them: then came Jesus, the doors being shut, and stood in the midst, and said, Peace be unto you. Joh 20:27 Then saith he to Thomas, Reach hither thy finger, and behold my hands; and reach hither thy hand, and thrust it into my side: and be not faithless, but believing. Joh 20:28 And Thomas answered and said unto him, My Lord and my God. Mark says Jesus showed himself to the apostles after His crucifixion
Act 1:3 To whom also he shewed himself alive after his passion by many infallible proofs, being seen of them forty days, and speaking of the things pertaining to the kingdom of God:
ev 1:9 I John, who also am your brother, and companion in tribulation, and in the kingdom and patience of Jesus Christ, was in the isle that is called Patmos, for the word of God, and for the testimony of Jesus Christ. Jesus appears to the Apostle John at Patmos
Rev 1:10 I was in the Spirit on the Lord's day, and heard behind me a great voice, as of a trumpet,
Rev 1:11 Saying, I am Alpha and Omega, the first and the last: and, What thou seest, write in a book, and send it unto the seven churches …
Rev 1:17 And when I saw him, I fell at his feet as dead. And he laid his right hand upon me, saying unto me, Fear not; I am the first and the last:
Rev 1:18 I am he that liveth, and was dead; and, behold, I am alive for evermore, Amen; and have the keys of hell and of death.
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Anatolian said: Quran says “wa-lakin shubbiha lahum” (But similar to them). A similar of the event ( crusifixion/killing of Jesus) was made to appear to them. So they thought that he was crucified/killed and recorded so.
The point is, Allah deceived only the enemies of Jesus to save him. Allah didnt tell people that you will be saved if you believe Jesus died on the cross. This was invented by Paul.
1. If Allah deceived only the Enemies of Jesus, he failed because all Christians, including me, believed that He died on the Cross. This means that He Deceived me also when he made it to appear that Jesus died on the Cross.
2. Your accusation about Paul inventing teh Crucifixion has no historical support.
3. Not true that Paul invented the cross. Paul persecuted, jailed and killed the first Christians for believing that Jesus died on the Cross.
You never read the Bible, therefore you dont know what it says.
You obviously never read the Quran also, because Allah says Paul was also His Messenger!
Paul didnt invent the account of crucifixion. He heard people talking about this long after. What he invented is the salvation through crucifixion. People thinking that Jesus died on the cross is not a problem. The problem is to believe in a salvation through such an event. This is what was invented by Paul. Apostles were not preching such a salvation theory before Paul.
No where in the Gospel Jesus is saying that he will be killed by people. Maybe he was crucified but didnt die. He was burried alive and came from the grave on the third day.
No where in Quran Paul is mentioned as a Messenger of Allah
Anatolian says: No where in the Gospel Jesus is saying that he will be killed by people. Maybe he was crucified but didnt die. He was burried alive and came from the grave on the third day.
But the apostles say:
Mat 16:21 From that time forth began Jesus to shew unto his disciples, how that he must go unto Jerusalem, and suffer many things of the elders and chief priests and scribes, and be killed, and be raised again the third day. And Jesus Himself says He will be killed and rise from death on the 2rd day.: Luk 9:21 And he straitly charged them, and commanded them to tell no man that thing;
Luk 9:22 Saying, The Son of man must suffer many things, and be rejected of the elders and chief priests and scribes, and be slain, and be raised the third day.
Oh, Wow! You did not tell the truth, here we have Jesus saying He will be crucified!
Mat 20:17 And Jesus going up to Jerusalem took the twelve disciples apart in the way, and said unto them,
Mat 20:18 Behold, we go up to Jerusalem; and the Son of man shall be betrayed unto the chief priests and unto the scribes, and they shall condemn him to death,
Mat 20:19 And shall deliver him to the Gentiles to mock, and to scourge, and to crucify him: and the third day he shall rise again. And again!
Mat 26:1 And it came to pass, when Jesus had finished all these sayings, he said unto his disciples, Mat 26:2 Ye know that after two days is the feast of the passover, and the Son of man is betrayed to be crucified.
Do you see the problems about what you claimed, and what the Bible really say?
You made Jesus a liar that he never predicted his Crucifixion and death on the Cross.
You made Jesus a liar saying He did not appear to His apostles after He rose from the Dead.
Now, you must choose.
Either you are a blatant Liar, or you just never read the Bible!
Anatolian says: No where in the Gospel Jesus is saying that he will be killed by people. Maybe he was crucified but didnt die. He was burried alive and came from the grave on the third day.
But the apostles say:
Mat 16:21 From that time forth began Jesus to shew unto his disciples, how that he must go unto Jerusalem, and suffer many things of the elders and chief priests and scribes, and be killed, and be raised again the third day. And Jesus Himself says He will be killed and rise from death on the 2rd day.: Luk 9:21 And he straitly charged them, and commanded them to tell no man that thing;
Luk 9:22 Saying, The Son of man must suffer many things, and be rejected of the elders and chief priests and scribes, and be slain, and be raised the third day.
Oh, Wow! You did not tell the truth, here we have Jesus saying He will be crucified!
Mat 20:17 And Jesus going up to Jerusalem took the twelve disciples apart in the way, and said unto them,
Mat 20:18 Behold, we go up to Jerusalem; and the Son of man shall be betrayed unto the chief priests and unto the scribes, and they shall condemn him to death,
Mat 20:19 And shall deliver him to the Gentiles to mock, and to scourge, and to crucify him: and the third day he shall rise again. And again!
Mat 26:1 And it came to pass, when Jesus had finished all these sayings, he said unto his disciples, Mat 26:2 Ye know that after two days is the feast of the passover, and the Son of man is betrayed to be crucified.
Do you see the problems about what you claimed, and what the Bible really say?
You made Jesus a liar that he never predicted his Crucifixion and death on the Cross.
You made Jesus a liar saying He did not appear to His apostles after He rose from the Dead.
Now, you must choose.
Either you are a blatant Liar, or you just never read the Bible!
What do you say for Mathew 12:40 For as Jonah was in the belly of the great fish for three days and three nights, so will the Son of Man be in the heart of the earth for three days and three nights
Jonas was alive in the belly of the fish for three days. So must Jesus be alive in the grave for three days
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