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    Biological Evolution – An Islamic Perspective| Prepared by the Research Committee of IslamToday.net under the supervision of Sheikh `Abd al-Wahhâb al-Turayrî|


    Many Muslims wonder about the theory of biological evolution – the theory that living species on Earth today are descended from others in the past, and that the present diversity of living species we see is a result of descent with modification over the course of numerous generations.

    Muslims also wonder about one of the main processes that evolutionary theory proposes to explain how evolution takes place – the process of natural selection. This is the idea that the individuals within a populations of living organism vary in their individual traits – they are not exactly alike – and that the organisms which are most successful at leaving descendants will pass on their unique traits to the next generation at the expense of the traits possessed by less successful organisms in the population, thereby contributing to a long-term gradual change in the suite of traits found within the population.

    We as Muslims must ask:

    Does the theory of evolution – and likewise the theory of natural selection as a mechanism of evolution – conform to Islamic teachings or conflict with them?

    Is a Muslim allowed to believe in evolution as a scientific theory as long as he or she accepts that Allah is behind it?

    Can a Muslim believe in human evolution? If not, how can we explain the fossils of upright, bipedal, tool-using apes with large brains that have been discovered?

    To start with, we wish to emphasize that our concern here is not with examining the scientific merits of the theory of evolution. What we want to know is what Islamic teachings have to say about the idea. Whether evolution is true or false scientifically is another matter altogether.

    When we look at the sources of Islam – the Qur’ân and Sunnah – we see that, with respect to human beings living on the Earth today, they are all descendants of Adam and Eve.

    Allah also says: “O mankind! We have created you from a male and a female, and made you into nations and tribes, that you may know one another. Verily, the most honorable of you with Allah is the one who is the most God-fearing.” [Sûrah al-Hujûrât:13]

    The Prophet (peace be upon him) identified the "male" mentioned in this verse as being Adam. He said: “Human beings are the children of Adam and Adam was created from Earth. Allah says: ‘O mankind! We have created you from a male and a female, and made you into nations and tribes, that you may know one another. Verily, the most honorable of you with Allah is the one who is the most God-fearing’.” [Sunan al-Tirmidhî (3270)]

    We also see that Allah created Adam directly without the agency of parents.

    Allah says: “The similitude of Jesus before Allah is as that of Adam; He created him from dust, then said to him: ‘Be’ and he was.” [Sûrah Âl `Imrân: 59]

    We also know that Eve was created from Adam without the agency of parents.

    In the Qur’ân, Allah states clearly: “O mankind! Be careful of your duty to your Lord Who created you from a single soul and from it created its mate and from them twain hath spread abroad a multitude of men and women.” [Sûrah al-Nisâ’: 1]

    Therefore, the Qur’ân tells us that Adam and his wife were the father and mother of all human beings living on the Earth today. We know about this by way of direct revelation from Allah.

    The direct creation of Adam (peace be upon him) can neither be confirmed nor denied by science in any way. This is because the creation of Adam (peace be upon him) was a unique and singular historical event. It is a matter of the Unseen and something that science does not have the power to confirm or deny. As a matter of the Unseen, we believe it because Allah informs us about it. We say the same for the miracles mentioned in the Qur’ân. Miraculous events, by their very nature, do not conform to scientific laws and their occurrence can neither be confirmed nor denied by science.

    What about other living things, besides the human beings living on the Earth today? What about plants, animals, fungi, and the like?

    When we turn our attention to this question, we find that the Qur’ân and Sunnah do not tell us much about the flora and fauna that was present on the Earth before or at the time of Adam and Eve’s arrived upon it. The sacred texts also do not tell us how long ago Adam and Eve arrived upon the Earth. Therefore, these are things we cannot ascertain from the sacred texts.

    The only thing that the Qur’ân and Sunnah require us to believe about the living things on Earth today is that Allah created them in whatever manner He decided to do create them.

    Allah says: “Allah is the Creator of all things and over all things He has authority.” [Sûrah al-Zumar: 62]

    Indeed, Allah states specifically that He created all life forms: “And We made from water all living things.” [Sûrah al-Anbiyâ’: 30]

    We know that “Allah does what He pleases.” Allah can create His creatures in any manner that He chooses.

    Therefore, with respect to other living things, the Qur’ân and Sunnah neither confirm nor deny the theory of biological evolution or the process referred to as natural selection. The question of evolution remains purely a matter of scientific enquiry. The theory of evolution must stand or fall on its own scientific merits – and that means the physical evidence that either confirms the theory or conflicts with it.

    The role of science is only to observe and describe the patterns that Allah places in His creation. If scientific observation shows a pattern in the evolution of species over time that can be described as natural selection, this is not in itself unbelief. It is only unbelief for a person to think that this evolution took place on its own, and not as a creation of Allah. A Muslim who accepts evolution or natural selection as a valid scientific theory must know that the theory is merely an explanation of one of the many observed patterns in Allah’s creation.

    As for the fossil remains of bipedal apes and the tools and artifacts associated with those remains, their existence poses no problem for Islamic teachings. There is nothing in the Qur’ân and Sunnah that either affirms or denies that upright, brainy, tool using apes ever existed or evolved from other apelike ancestors. Such animals may very well have existed on Earth before Adam’s arrival upon it. All we can draw from the Qur’ân and Sunnah is that even if those animals once existed, they were not the forefathers of Adam (peace be upon him).

    And Allah knows best.
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    There is no question but that the creation stories in Genesis 1 - 3 are myths (there are two of them and they each give a different order of creation). Also, whilst there are parallels in other ancient texts there are elements in the Genesis accounts which are unique. What is a matter of logic and historical reality is that, far from being a coincidence, the inclusion of Adam and Eve in the Quran creation account owes everything to the acquaintance of the early Muslims with Jewish and Christian (or pseudo-Christian gnostic groups) in the pensinsular adjacent to Mecca in the 6th and 7th centuries A.D. The Genesis accounts predates the Quran by at least 2,000 years.

    Whilst I firmly believe that the Bible is the Word of God I also think that not all of the interpretations of the Bible are sufficiently inspired. Some of them are positively absurd.
    If I say, in English idiom, that it is raining cats and dogs, most people do not expect our furry friends to be falling from the sky. In the same way, referring to the Genesis accounts, God does not walk in a garden, snakes do not speak, and, as far as I know even Kew Gardens has never acquired a "tree of the knowledge of good and evil". A naive literalism is just plain silly and unnecessary.

    Painful as it may be, it is time for us to grow up and allow Genesis to speak for itself and for us to use our intelligence and God's inspiration in determining what the text actually means.

    I believe that the theory of evolution is persuasive but I do not believe that we exist by accident or that we inhabit a closed system of natural causes. The first verse of the Bible states "In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth". Amen to that. How? We can argue about that and we shall probably never knew for sure. The story also says that if we choose to go against God's stated will there will be dire consequences. I believe that too.

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    Re: Biological Evolution – An Islamic Perspective

    Hi Aseeker

    format_quote Originally Posted by ASeeker View Post
    There is no question but that the creation stories in Genesis 1 - 3 are myths (there are two of them and they each give a different order of creation).
    It is true that the Vatican has posted open letters in the past, admitting that in the past they had added sections to genesis that weren't authentic for the purpose of answering questions that couldn't be answered at that point. However, that doesn't mean that it's all false, you shouldn't throw away the baby with the bathing water.

    Also, whilst there are parallels in other ancient texts there are elements in the Genesis accounts which are unique. What is a matter of logic and historical reality is that, far from being a coincidence, the inclusion of Adam and Eve in the Quran creation account owes everything to the acquaintance of the early Muslims with Jewish and Christian (or pseudo-Christian gnostic groups) in the pensinsular adjacent to Mecca in the 6th and 7th centuries A.D. The Genesis accounts predates the Quran by at least 2,000 years.
    I'm sorry but that is completely biased. Your argument does not hold under scrutiny. You claim "historical and logical reality" but none of that is proven. It's simple speculation. Perhaps to you it's the most logical explenation, since you don't believe that the Qur'an is the word of God, but that would mean that as I said, your inclination towards that view is completely biased by your religious conviction. An alternative explanation would simply be that the similarities are a result of both accounts being told by the same God, whereas the differences between the stories could be explained simply because Christians altered the story that was conveyed to them. Now don't get me wrong, I certainly respect your opinion and understand that you would claim that my alternative view is just as much biased by my beliefs as your view is biased by yours. However I just wanted to point out how arrogant of you it was to come here and claim that your view is a historical and logical reality, while in reality your view is just speculation and perhaps even wishful thinking.

    If I say, in English idiom, that it is raining cats and dogs, most people do not expect our furry friends to be falling from the sky. In the same way, referring to the Genesis accounts, God does not walk in a garden, snakes do not speak, and, as far as I know even Kew Gardens has never acquired a "tree of the knowledge of good and evil". A naive literalism is just plain silly and unnecessary.
    Yes I understand your position. And reading the bible, I'd get the same impression. The Qur'an however is completely different in style. The verses concerning the creation of Adam and Eve don't hold that many details as the bible does. Also, in the Qur'an; the difference between literal and metaphorical verses are quite clear. And the Qur'an even warns us that those who take the literal parts metaphorically and vice versa have a perversion in their hearts. So like I said, don't throw away the baby with the bathing water. Just because the catholic church added details to the story of genesis, doesn't mean that Adam never really existed in the first place. That would be jumping to conclusions to fast.

    Painful as it may be, it is time for us to grow up and allow Genesis to speak for itself and for us to use our intelligence and God's inspiration in determining what the text actually means.
    That sounds like a good idea. But that's not really an issue for Muslims. See, even if every single part of evolution turns out to be right, that would not contradict any of the Islamic views. I may personally reject certain parts of evolution, but I don't reject them simply on the base of being muslim. In fact I rejected those parts before I converted to Islam, back when I still was an atheist. I reject certain parts of evolution simply because they are not scientific. What I would like to invite people to. As painful as it may be, is to grow up and allow each sub-theory of evolution to speak for itself, rather than just excepting every part based on the acception of other parts. In other words, judge each part by its own merits, and then suddenly certain parts won't hold up to scientific scrutiny anymore. What I would like to see is that people would debate and reconsider their views not simply based on their religious nor on their atheistic bias, but simply judge it from a scientific p.o.v. Because frankly, even scientists fail to do so, and that is a very sad thing.
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    " most Christians (I don't know the situation with Jews) know that it is a creation myth which originates in pagan cultures "
    the universe is 12 to 18 thousand million years ols, in estimate. my calculation, trough the the formula of hubble's time issue, it nears 14,5 billion years and counting (and accelerating), now, dedicate 6 days to creation and resting the seventh, so that Adam and Eve couldn't sin, hence, never having sex, wich in turn, denies the possibility of having children (equals creating mankind) seems "tacky".
    Why would God create a creature so eager to follow and yet so scpetic about following, capable of sciphering His misterious ways, even capable of killing contenders and suffer in is own flesh His trials, whereas is existence or not-without any assuring- giving their life to a religious culture that indents the same rules and properties than any other religion in the world ( miraculous birth, quests, divine words, people-reaching habilities, revolution-worship, martir-death-process and rebirth after x days,etc. )?
    I don't wan't to be that scpetic-science-all-based-wizkid in the house, but either if there is a God or not, I REALLY think that we should be dedicating our lives to other things in LIFE, rather than "who is bigger and best?". I AM NOT unmeasuring the importance of Philosophy and Science nor Religion. They're all are excellent subjects that we should all exercise, however, we, sometimes, forget about us, our lives, our dreams, prospects, children and future.
    Either we are or not children of Adam and Eve, we are not mature enough, not even after 5000 years.
    If God exists, He should be embaraced and so should we.
    Something in common between us...

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    Re: Biological Evolution – An Islamic Perspective

    are you trying to say that the quran shariffe is supporting evolution, becuse i dont think that is true, abdul fattah could you please clarify more, sorry for my lack of knowledge.

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    Re: Biological Evolution – An Islamic Perspective

    AlSalam Alaykum,

    Ali, take a look at our website, and then give us your feedback.


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    Re: Biological Evolution – An Islamic Perspective

    Hi Elfuser
    format_quote Originally Posted by elfuser View Post
    " most Christians (I don't know the situation with Jews) know that it is a creation myth which originates in pagan cultures "
    the universe is 12 to 18 thousand million years ols, in estimate. my calculation, trough the the formula of hubble's time issue, it nears 14,5 billion years and counting (and accelerating), now, dedicate 6 days to creation and resting the seventh, so that Adam and Eve couldn't sin, hence, never having sex, wich in turn, denies the possibility of having children (equals creating mankind) seems "tacky".
    Yeah I know, that's one of the major differences between the Islamic view and the Christian view. In the Qur'an the timetable isn't that "fixed" so that it denies science. So this only discredits Christian creationists, not Islamic creationists.
    Why would God create a creature so eager to follow and yet so scpetic about following, capable of sciphering His misterious ways, even capable of killing contenders and suffer in is own flesh His trials, whereas is existence or not-without any assuring- giving their life to a religious culture that indents the same rules and properties than any other religion in the world ( miraculous birth, quests, divine words, people-reaching habilities, revolution-worship, martir-death-process and rebirth after x days,etc. )? Either we are or not children of Adam and Eve, we are not mature enough, not even after 5000 years.
    If God exists, He should be embaraced and so should we.
    Something in common between us...
    Why would he not? Are you implying that was a mistake of him? Basically the gist of all those arguments boil down to one and the same thing. Your argument is that if God created mankind it was a mistake simply because mankind is able to commit bad deeds? Well first of all, I should not that is a very weak angle to discredit creationism, I'd find It much more constructive to stick to scientific arguments, but since you opened the door I'll go philosophical. ^_^
    Free will is a double edge sword, it may enable people to do bad, but at the same time it also enables people to do good. If you want to scale the status of mankind, you have to consider both types. It's true that some people act in degrading ways that renders them to a status even inferior than animals, but at the same time people who act good out of free will acquire a status which can reach even above those of angels; this because according to Islam angels are obedient because they do not have free will. Even if you don't believe in angels, you'll have to agree that hypothetically speaking a creature that is ordered to do good and cannot be disobedient is inferior to a creature who is equally good despite it's capability of being bad. So then your philosophical argument where you claim mankind cannot be created because of its flawed design completely crumbles. Your judgment of flawed design was completely one-sided focusing on "bad" humans. don't throw away the baby along with the bathing water!

    I don't wan't to be that scpetic-science-all-based-wizkid in the house,
    Lol, you haven't said a single scientifically based argument ^_^

    but either if there is a God or not, I REALLY think that we should be dedicating our lives to other things in LIFE, rather than "who is bigger and best?".
    Neither do I. Islam doesn't teach us to dedicate our lives to that.

    I AM NOT unmeasuring the importance of Philosophy and Science nor Religion. They're all are excellent subjects that we should all exercise, however, we, sometimes, forget about us, our lives, our dreams, prospects, children and future.
    Prioritizing is an important part of life. Obviously people with different views and believes put forth different priorities. For example, a person that doesn't believe in an afterlife as opposed to someone who does will have a different perspective on how we should prepare for death. Those who don't believe in it will probably attempt to achieve some level of accomplishment and fulfillment before death, whereas those who do believe in an afterlife will be more interested in their afterlife and how their destination before death. So that means that rather than what you suggest that religion distracts us from our lives, dreams, prospects, children and future is not true at all. Instead all of these concepts: our lives, dreams, prospects, children, and future are in a way embedded into our religion!

    Selam aleykum ihijazi
    I'll try to respond to you later, for now my firefox is having some problems with your site...
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    Re: Biological Evolution – An Islamic Perspective

    format_quote Originally Posted by Abdul Fattah View Post
    Selam aleykum ihijazi
    I'll try to respond to you later, for now my firefox is having some problems with your site...
    His site uses activex, and firefox doesn't support activex. You need view it in IE.
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    It is not Al-Birr (piety, righteousness, and obedience to Allâh, etc.) that you turn your faces towards east and (or) west (in prayers); but Al-Birr is (the quality of) the one who believes in Allâh, the Last Day, the Angels, the Book, the Prophets and gives his wealth, in spite of love for it, to the kinsfolk, to the orphans, and to Al-Masâkîn (the poor), and to the wayfarer, and to those who ask, and to set slaves free, performs As-Salât, and gives the Zakât, and keep their word whenever they make a promise, and who are patient in extreme poverty and ailment (disease) and at the time of persecution, hardship, and war. Such are the people of the truth and they are Al-Muttaqûn (the pious).


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    Re: Biological Evolution – An Islamic Perspective

    Selam aleykum
    Active X is a serious security hazard I would advise everyone not to use it.
    I'm running linux, I'm not going to go trough the problem of running IE on wine. Besides I could simply activate activeX in firefox, but I won't do that out of common sense. Also there's an issue of principle. Even if I do trust you, I wouldn't use it because I want to boycot it. Seriously, you should consider another type of code for your site. there's a lot of alternative ways to make your message come across. Perhaps even just offer the pps for download. Active X is evil, you shouldn't support it. Using it as code in a way is the same as supporting it. The less webmasters that make sites with this, the less popular it becomes. Whereas the more webmasters that use it, the more pages of the net that will be unaccessible to safe browsers like firefox. This in term makes more people inclined to use unsafe browsers, and thus supports to the abuse.

    Anyway that being said, I was able to extract the text without having to use activeX; and I read trough most of it, I'm still formulating my replies (it's already incredibly long and I still got a fair amount to go trough). InshAllah I'll post a reply once I have a full comment completed. For now let me just say these two things:

    1. Tafsir by mere opinion is forbidden!!! You should be more careful with that brother.
    2. Just because some creatures evolved out of one another, doesn't mean that all creatures evolved from the same!!!

    Those two comments alone basically refute your entire powerpoint, but like I said, inshaAllah I will post a more detailed refutation once it's finished. While you're waiting, perhaps you would enjoy my p.o.v. on evolution?
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    Re: Biological Evolution – An Islamic Perspective

    format_quote Originally Posted by Abdul Fattah View Post
    Selam aleykum
    Active X is a serious security hazard I would advise everyone not to use it.
    I'm running linux, I'm not going to go trough the problem of running IE on wine. Besides I could simply activate activeX in firefox, but I won't do that out of common sense. Also there's an issue of principle. Even if I do trust you, I wouldn't use it because I want to boycot it. Seriously, you should consider another type of code for your site. there's a lot of alternative ways to make your message come across. Perhaps even just offer the pps for download. Active X is evil, you shouldn't support it. Using it as code in a way is the same as supporting it. The less webmasters that make sites with this, the less popular it becomes. Whereas the more webmasters that use it, the more pages of the net that will be unaccessible to safe browsers like firefox. This in term makes more people inclined to use unsafe browsers, and thus supports to the abuse.

    Anyway that being said, I was able to extract the text without having to use activeX; and I read trough most of it, I'm still formulating my replies (it's already incredibly long and I still got a fair amount to go trough). InshAllah I'll post a reply once I have a full comment completed. For now let me just say these two things:

    1. Tafsir by mere opinion is forbidden!!! You should be more careful with that brother.
    2. Just because some creatures evolved out of one another, doesn't mean that all creatures evolved from the same!!!

    Those two comments alone basically refute your entire powerpoint, but like I said, inshaAllah I will post a more detailed refutation once it's finished. While you're waiting, perhaps you would enjoy my p.o.v. on evolution?
    Alsalam Alaykum,

    Jazak Allah khayer for your feedback. The plug-in is a PowerPoint plug-in from Microsoft. I have installed it on my computer and many of my friends have installed it without any problem. I believe to view the presentation with all verses, comments and images would be more effective and enjoyable.
    I look forward to hear more of your comments and feedback. Please include slide numbers in your feedback.

    Best regards,

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    Re: Biological Evolution – An Islamic Perspective

    Active X controls are as dangerous or as safe as your kitchen knife, you step ladder, your car and so on (all depends on who's driving the car and who sold it to you)

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    Re: Biological Evolution – An Islamic Perspective

    format_quote Originally Posted by ihijazi View Post
    Alsalam Alaykum,

    Jazak Allah khayer. I also invite you to take a look at http://www.<snip>.net


    Best regards,
    wa alaikum salaam
    I am there now, I might post about it later (if I can understand it)


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    oopse! I've seen truesigns site before and I do not think that I liked it. sorry! http://www.islamicboard.com/health-s...ml#post1020000

    Part 2: Shows that, contrary to popular Islamic belief, the Quran describes a mechanism for human evolution.
    this is going to scare me from this one
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    Re: Biological Evolution – An Islamic Perspective

    If you are referring to the “Extraterrestrial Life” presentation. Did you go through the entire presentation? If so which slide other than slide-1 you did not like and why?

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    Re: Biological Evolution – An Islamic Perspective

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    If you are referring to the “Extraterrestrial Life” presentation. Did you go through the entire presentation? If so which slide other than slide-1 you did not like and why?

    Best Regards,
    I am sorry, I don't know what slide number it was but that one line was enough for me to click away

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    Re: Biological Evolution – An Islamic Perspective

    Selam aleykum
    I also read the second powerpoint, and formulated a reply to it here. Since it would be of-topic to discus here.
    Biological Evolution – An Islamic Perspective

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    lol, funny, although analogy is flawed, listed items are unsafe because of unsafe usage by enduser, activeX is unsafe because of coding of some programmers.
    a know-it-all sent me this message so I thought I let you all see (in case you were wondering same as my "friendly" adviser)

    when I made that analogy:
    I was thinking of a car bought from reputable dealer (trustworthy) same ways I think of activeX controls from Microsoft, adobe and Norton etc. to be trustworthy.

    and any one else is a lemon seller, whether its a car or any browser controls that are not from them 3

    if a pop-up comes up telling a user that an unsigned control is trying to run and I permit it, then its my fault, innay? by the way English is not my first language for that reason alone I should be forgiven for mixing up my metaphors and things

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    Re: Biological Evolution – An Islamic Perspective

    Selam aleykum

    I looked at your slides and found many problems with them. I will quote part by part, there were some slides which had "neutral information" which didn't contradict the creationist's view. Like the one about the materials mankind is made of, and about embryology, so I skipped over these.
    Neanderthals were first recognized as a distinct group of hominids from fossil remains discovered 150 years ago at Feldhofer in Neander Valley, outside Du¨sseldorf, Germany. Subsequent Neanderthal finds in Europe and western Asia showed that fossils with Neanderthal traits appear in the fossil record of Europe and western Asia about 400,000 years ago and disappear about 30,000 years ago just at the time when the first "modern humans" appear in Europe.
    And what exactly is a "modern" human? I wouldn't call 30000y ago as "modern". Humans back then were different from humans now.

    In a paper published in the November 2006 issue of the scientific journal Nature5, scientists with the U.S. Department of Energy’s Lawrence Berkeley National Laboratory and the Joint Genome Institute (JGI) have sequenced genomic (nuclear) DNA from fossilized Neanderthal bones. Their results show that the genomes of modern humans and Neanderthals are at least 99.5-percent identical, but despite this genetic similarity, and despite the two species having cohabitated the same geographic region for thousands of years, there is no evidence of any significant crossbreeding between the two.
    No, this is wrong. Neanderthalis never co-existed with "modern" humans. Homo Neanderthalis did however co-exist with "Homo Sapiens". However this begs the question. How smart was it of scientists to compare 30000y old genome with modern genome? Of course there are differences, but there are also differences between Homo sapiens 30000y ago, and homo sapiens now. So these differences do not prove that neanderthalis was "something different than human". Detailed study of the skeleton of the remains of the Neandertalensis with modern man show that nothing in the anatomy of the Neaderthalensis such as movement, manipulation, intellect and linguistic capabilities are inferior to that of modern man. Yet they classify it as a separate species simply because of these small differences in genes? That's completely generic and arbitrary! And what kind of evidence for crossbreeding should be found than? It's easy to claim that no evidence has been found , but what evidence did they look for? How do you expect to find evidence of crossbreeding 30000y ago? that's practically impossible. If they found no such evidence that probably tells us more about how hard it is to research what happened in the past rather then give us an indication if they did or didn't crossbreed.

    What caused the angels to believe that this new successor (Homo sapiens) is a savage who is a source of mischief (harm) and a shedder of blood? And what was it that Allah knew and the angels did not know? The most logical answer to the first question, in light of the discovered fossil remains and DNA evidence, is that the angels presumed that Adam was the like of someone they had encountered before—a predecessor who was from the humankind and looked physically similar to Adam and whose life on Earth was marked by doing harm and shedding blood.
    Assumption is the mother of all mistakes! Brother it's very dangerous to make tafsir on assumptions and personal inclinations. See the extract below from Ibn Kathir's introduction. Besides, for the sake of argument your deduction is flawed. The angels asked: "will" you create, so wouldn't that mean they asked it before Allah created him? Also, if he was not already created then how would they be able to compare? And finally, if they like you claim thought that Adam was the same as an already existing but differnt creature, then why didn't they ask: "why have you created" instead of "will you create"? What I mean is, if they thought that Adam was the same as some creature that already exist, why did they suddenly start to question Allah (subhana wa ta'ala) about it at that point, why not earlier when Allah (subhana wa ta'ala) created that other specie you believe in?
    Tafsir by mere Opinion
    It is prohibited to indulge in Tafsir by mere opinion. Muhammad bin Jarir reported that Ibn 'Abbas said that the Prophet Peace be upon him said,
    (For this, and the previous quotes, see At-Tabari 1:90-91)
    [Whoever explains the Qur'an with his opinion or with what he has no knowledge of, then let him assume his seat in the Fire.]
    At-Tirmidhi, An-Nasa'i and Abu Dawud also recorded this Hadith. At-Tirmidhi said, "Hasan".

    Explaining what One has Knowledge of, Silence otherwise
    The Salaf used to refrain from explaining what they had no knowledge of. For instance, Ibn Jarir (At-Tabari) reported that Abu Ma'mar said that Abu Bakr As-Siddiq said, " Which land will carry me and which heaven will shade me if I said about Allah's Book that which I have no knowledge of? " [6]
    Ibn Jarir also reported that Anas narrated that 'Umar bin Al-Khattab read the Ayah,~{And fruits and Abba (herbage, etc.) while standing on the Minbar. He then said, " We know the fruit, so what is the Abba?" He then said, "O 'Umar! This is exaggeration." [7]
    This statement means that 'Umar briefly wanted to know the exact nature of the Abba, for it was evident - to him - that it is a plant that grows on earth, just as Allah said, ‘And We cause therein the grain to grow. And grapes and clover plants’ (i.e. green fodder for the cattle) (80:27-28).
    Ibn Jarir also recorded that Ibn Abi Mulaykah said that Ibn 'Abbas was asked about an Ayah, "That if any of you is asked about, he will indulge in its Tafsir." without hesitation Ibn 'Abbas refused to say anything about it (meaning with his opinion). This narration has an authentic chain of narrators. He also narrated that Ibn Abi Mulaykah said, "A man asked Ibn 'Abbas about, One Day, the space whereof is a thousand years. Ibn 'Abbas asked him, What is, Day the measure whereof is fifty thousand years~?'
    The man said, `I only asked you to tell me.' Ibn 'Abbas said, They are two Days that Allah has mentioned in His Book and He has better knowledge of them.' He disliked commenting on the Book of Allah when he had no knowledge about it."
    Al-Layth narrated that Yahya bin Sa`id said that Said bin Al-Musayyib used to talk about what he knows of the Qur'an (At-Tabari 1:86). Also, Ayyub, Ibn 'Awn and Hisham Ad*Dastuwa i narrated that Muhammad bin Sirin said, "I asked 'Ubaydah (meaning, As-Salmani ) about an Ayah of the Qur'an and he said,
    "Those who had knowledge about the circumstances surrounding revelation of the Qur'an have perished. So fear Allah and seek the right way."
    Ash-Sha`bi narrated that Masruq said, "Avoid Tafszr, because it is narration related to Allah." [8]
    These authentic narrations from the Companions and the Imams of the Salaf (righteous ancestors) testify to their hesitation to indulge in the Tafsir of what they have no knowledge of. As for those who speak about what they have linguistic and religious knowledge of, then there is no sin in this case. Hence, the scholars and the Imams, including the ones we mentioned, issued statements of Tafsir and spoke about what they had knowledge of, but avoided what they had no knowledge of.
    Refraining from indulging in what one has no knowledge of is required of everyone, just as everyone is required to convey the knowledge that they have when they are asked. Allah said,
    ‘To make it known and clear to mankind, and not to hide it’ (3:187);
    Also, a Hadith narrated through several chains of narrators says, [9]
    (Whoever is asked about knowledge that he knows but hid it, will be tied with a muzzle made of fire on the Day of Resurrection.)

    The answer to the second question is found in verses 2: 31-33 (next poster). The Arabic word 1’’خَلِيفَةً : خَلَف فُلَان فُلَانًا فِي هَذَا الْأَمْر إذَا قَامَ مَقَامه فِيهِ بَعْده’’ “Khalifah” translated as “successor”2, literally means "one who replaces someone else who left or died and assumes their responsibilities.”
    Image of Homo heidelbergensis.
    Adam: successor to previous human species
    1- Tafsir Al-Tabari
    2- Encyclopedia Britannica
    Neanderthal, who became extinct about 30,000 years ago, is thought to be the most recent human species prior to modern man. Archeologists believe that they lived in clans, were territorial and likely practiced female abduction. Many adult Neanderthal fossils have serious injuries, suggesting that their life was extremely dangerous and that they had a war-mongering nature.
    This is dangerous tafsir, for the same reason as I stated before.
    Ibn kathir's tafsir:

    [إِنِّي جَاعِلٌ فِى الأَرْضِ خَلِيفَةً]
    (Verily, I am going to place a Khalifah on earth).
    Meaning people reproducing generation after generation, century after century, just as Allah said,
    [وَهُوَ الَّذِى جَعَلَكُمْ خَلَـئِفَ الاٌّرْضِ]
    (And it is He Who has made you (Khala'if) generations coming after generations, replacing each other on the earth) (6:165),
    [وَيَجْعَلُكُمْ حُلَفَآءَ الاٌّرْضِ]
    (And makes you (Khulafa') inheritors of the earth) (27:62),
    [وَلَوْ نَشَآءُ لَجَعَلْنَا مِنكُمْ مَّلَـئِكَةً فِى الاٌّرْضِ يَخْلُفُونَ ]
    (And if it were Our will, We would have (destroyed you (mankind all, and) made angels to replace you (Yakhlufun) on the earth.) (43: 60) and,
    [فَخَلَفَ مِن بَعْدِهِمْ خَلْفٌ]
    (Then after them succeeded an (evil) generation (Khalf)) (7:169). It appears that Allah was not refering to Adam specifically as Khalifah, otherwise he would not have allowed the angels' statement,
    [أَتَجْعَلُ فِيهَا مَن يُفْسِدُ فِيهَا وَيَسْفِكُ الدِّمَآءَ]
    (Will You place therein those who will make mischief therein and shed blood).
    The angels meant that this type of creature usually commits the atrocities they mentioned. The angels knew of this fact, according to their understanding of human nature, for Allah stated that He would create man from clay. Or, the angels understood this fact from the word Khalifah, which also means the person who judges disputes that occur between people, forbidding them from injustice and sin, as Al-Qurtubi said.
    The statement the angels uttered was not a form of disputing with Allah's, nor out of envy for the Children of Adam, as some mistakenly thought. Allah has described them as those who do not precede Him in speaking, meaning that they do not ask Allah anything without His permission. When Allah informed them that He was going to create a creation on the earth, and they had knowledge that this creation would commit mischief on it, as Qatadah mentioned, they said,
    [أَتَجْعَلُ فِيهَا مَن يُفْسِدُ فِيهَا وَيَسْفِكُ الدِّمَآءَ]
    (Will You place therein those who will make mischief therein and shed blood)
    This is only a question for the sake of learning about the wisdom of that, as if they said, Our Lord! What is the wisdom of creating such creatures since they will cause trouble in the earth and spill blood "If the wisdom behind this action is that You be worshiped, we praise and glorify You (meaning we pray to You) we never indulge in mischief, so why create other creatures''

    From these verses we can see that Allah’s intention for asking the angels to inform Him of the names of the displayed objects, and then asking Adam to inform the angels of their names, was to demonstrate to them that their knowledge is limited to what He taught them, and that Adam is not the savage they presumed him to be. The fact that Adam was able to learn and store in his memory the names of all objects taught to him by Allah and then upon seeing them again was able to recognize them, recall their names from his memory and articulate them all correctly to the angels, indicated a high level of intelligence, a fact the angels did not know. With such a level of intelligence this new successor would be able to worship Allah in ways that neither his predecessor nor the angels ever could.
    Adam: increased level of intelligence
    Anthropologists believe that Neanderthal had a limited spoken language with a small vocabulary and simple grammar.
    As I already said, this is baseless. There are no indications suggesting that Neanderthalis were inferior in any way.

    Archeologists throughout the world have discovered thousands of fossilized bones from several different humankind species.
    1.Australopithecus afarensis Cranium
    2.Australopithecus africanus Cranium
    These are not humankind species, and not human ancestors either. They are closely related to orangutans, a class which according to evolutionists, is a separate branch of human ancestors.
    3.Homo habilis Cranium
    The existence of this specie has been refuted, and it has been shown that this is in fact just an Australopithecus Habilis; another specie that even evolutionists should admit that isn't our ancestor.
    4.Homo erectus Cranium
    Although this skeleton is exactly the same as some humans have, evolutionists have classified it as a transcending specie, based on the small skull contents (900-1100 cc) and because of the big eyebrows (of the skull). However, there are humans alive today with that skull contents (i.e. Pygmees), and that have such eyebrows (i.e. Australian aboriginals)! So there is no reason to assume these skeletons are a missing link, they are just humans. In fact the New Scientists of 1998 14 march even wrote an excellent article of how Homo Erectus had the technology to build and use transport ships.
    5.Neandertal Cranium
    None of these species were anything different then human. Like I said, completely arbitrary classification.

    هَلْ أَتَى عَلَى الْإِنسَانِ حِينٌ مِّنَ الدَّهْرِ لَمْ يَكُن شَيْئًا مَّذْكُورًا
    Has there come upon humankind a period from a long span of time, when he was nothing mentioned (extinct)?
    The Glorious Quran: chapter 76, verse 1 (622 AD)
    The above verse is the first verse in the chapter entitled “Al-Insan” “Humankind.” In this verse Allah brings to our attention the question of whether there has been a period of time since the beginning of the creation of humankind when humankind became extinct. The answer to this question is given towards the end of this chapter in verse 76:28 (next poster). An early Islamic scholar1 also indicated that for the above verse to make sense linguistically, humankind must have been in existence for this period of extinction to come upon them. The Arabic word “الدَّهْرِ” “al-dahr” translated as “a long span of time” has no limit in the context of this verse. 1“وَأَمَّا الدَّهْر فِي هَذَا الْمَوْضِع , فَلَا حَدّ لَهُ يُوقَف عَلَيْهِ”
    Humankind and periods of extinction
    1- Tafsir Al-Tabari
    Ernst Mayr, and evolutionary Biologist for almost 70 years states in his book What Evolution Is: "Wherever we look at the living biota … discontinuities are overwhelmingly frequent…The discontinuities are even more striking in the fossil record. New species usually appear in the fossil record suddenly, not connected with their ancestors by a series of intermediates.“2
    2 - Mayr, Ernst, What Evolution Is, pg. 189 (2001).
    There is no reason to assume this means that man was at some point extinct. In fact I find this a huge jump to conclusions.
    Ibn Kathir:

    Allah informs that He brought man into existence after he was not even a thing worth mentioning, due to his lowliness and weakness. Allah says,
    [هَلْ أَتَى عَلَى الإِنسَـنِ حِينٌ مِّنَ الدَّهْرِ لَمْ يَكُن شَيْئاً مَّذْكُوراً ]
    (Has there not been over man a period of time, when he was not a thing worth mentioning) Then Allah explains this by saying,
    [إِنَّا خَلَقْنَا الإِنسَـنَ مِن نُّطْفَةٍ أَمْشَاجٍ]
    (Verily, We have created man from Nutfah Amshaj,) meaning, mixed. The words Mashaj and Mashij mean something that is mixed together. Ibn `Abbas said concerning Allah's statement,
    [مِن نُّطْفَةٍ أَمْشَاجٍ]
    (from Nutfah Amshaj,) "This means the fluid of the man and the fluid of the woman when they meet and mix.'' Then man changes after this from stage to stage, condition to condition and color to color. `Ikrimah, Mujahid, Al-Hasan and Ar-Rabi` bin Anas all made statements similar to this. They said, "Amshaj is the mixing of the man's fluid with the woman's fluid.''

    نَحْنُ خَلَقْنَاهُمْ وَشَدَدْنَا أَسْرَهُمْ وَإِذَا شِئْنَا بَدَّلْنَا أَمْثَالَهُمْ تَبْدِيلًا
    It is We who created them, and We have strengthened their joints (upright); and when We will, We replaced the like of them
    (new creation) a complete replacement.
    The Glorious Quran: chapter 76, verse 28 (622 AD)
    Verse 76:28 appears toward the end of chapter
    “Al-Insan” “Humankind.” It indicates that human evolution occurs through the complete replacement of one human species with another. When this verse is taken in conjunction with verse 76:1 of the same chapter (previous poster), one can clearly see that those periods of time when humankind became extinct occurred between the complete removal of one human species and their replacement by a similar, yet new human species. The Arabic phrase “شَدَدْنَا أَسْرَهُمْ” “shadadna asrahum” translated as “strengthened their joints” seems to imply the ability to walk upright 1,2”أَبُو هُرَيْرَة وَالْحَسَن وَالرَّبِيع ,الْأَسْر:هِيَ الْمَفَاصِل”.
    1- Tafsir Al-Tabari
    2- Tafsir Al-Qurtubi
    Skeleton of Neanderthal (left) and modern man (right). Walking upright is one of the main characteristics that distinguishes humankind.
    Removal and complete replacement
    Just because one thing replaces another, doesn't means they evolved out of one another. If I replace my cellphone with a new one, the new phone isn't necesairly an "evolved" model of the old one. Again, jumping to conclusions and adding interpretation to tafsir.

    وَرَبُّكَ الْغَنِيُّ ذُو الرَّحْمَةِ إِن يَشَأْ يُذْهِبْكُمْ وَيَسْتَخْلِفْ مِن بَعْدِكُم مَّا يَشَاء كَمَآ أَنشَأَكُم مِّن ذُرِّيَّةِ قَوْمٍ آخَرِينَ إِنَّ مَا تُوعَدُونَ لآتٍ وَمَا أَنتُم بِمُعْجِزِينَ
    And your Lord is free of need, full of mercy. If He wills He will remove you (mankind) and place as a successor after you whatever He wills, just as He constructed you from the descendants of other people (predecessor).
    Verily, what you are being promised is coming and you are not preventing it.
    The Glorious Quran: chapter: 6, verses 133-134 (610 AD)
    These verses indicate that Allah can remove us and place as a successor after us another creation1, just as He constructed us as a new creation from the descendants of a removed predecessor1. The Arabic world “ذُرِّيَّةِ” “thurriah” “وأَصْل ذُرِّيَّة, فِعْلِيَّة مِنْ الذَّرّ” translated as “descendants” also has the meaning of the smallest particle containing a lineage2 (DNA). In the case of a removed species, the only thing left behind is their remnants containing their lineage (DNA). When the statement “أَنشَأَكُم مِّن ذُرِّيَّةِ قَوْمٍ آخَرِينَ”
    “constructed you from the descendants of other people” in verse 6:133 is taken in conjunction with the statement “أَنشَأَكُم مِّن نَّفْسٍ وَاحِدَةٍ”
    “constructed you from a single being (Adam)” in verse 6:98, and the statement “أَنشَأَكُم مِّنَ الْأَرْضِ” “constructed you from the earth” in verses 11:63 and 53:32 (previous poster), one can clearly see that we were created from a single being (Adam) who was constructed from the earth, which must also have contained the lineage remnants (DNA) of other people (predecessors).
    Again you're adding interpretation.
    Tafsir ibn Kathir:
    [كَمَآ أَنشَأَكُمْ مِّن ذُرِّيَّةِ قَوْمٍ ءَاخَرِينَ]
    (As He raised you from the seed of other people.) and surely, He is able to do this, and it is easy for Him. And just as Allah has destroyed the earlier nations and brought their successors, He is able to do away with these generations and bring other people in their place.

    Homo erectus is believed to be the direct predecessor to modern man. The fossils indicate that he walked upright, had facial and jawbone features similar to modern man, and a cranial capacity of 750 – 1250 cc.
    Construction from extinct predecessor
    1- Tafsir Al-Tabari
    2- Quran: 7:172
    There are human beings who have a cranial capacity of that cc, and have an "eyebrow"-skull. There's no reason to believe that these "homo erectus" weren't just humans.

    When the above verses are taken in conjunction with the verses on the previous posters, one can see that humankind is created from clay extracted from black mud rotting containing the lineage remnants (DNA) of a decomposing predecessor.
    Again a very personal interpretation, sperm by itself is weak, it can only survive a couple of days, especially in an acidic environment like in the uterus. There's no indication at all that weakness would refer to inferiority of genes.

    These verses indicate that Allah can, at any time, remove us mankind and bring forth others of whatever He wills of a new creation to place as a successor after us. The Arabic phrase “إِن يَشَأْ يُذْهِبْكُمْ” “in yasha yuthhibkum” translated as “If He wills He will remove you” occurs in the Quran only in these four verses (4:133, 6:133, 14:19, 35:16) and refers to “أَيُّهَا النَّاسُ” “ayyuha alnnasu” translated as “you who are mankind”, and addresses all of mankind.
    When the phrase “وَيَأْتِ بِآخَرِينَ” “wayate beakhareen” translated as “and bring forth others” in verse 4:133 is taken in conjunction with the Arabic phrase “وَيَأْتِ بِخَلْقٍ جَدِيدٍ” “wayate bekhalqen jadeed” translated as “and bring forth a new creation” in verses 14:19 and 35:16, one can clearly see that the word “آخَرِينَ” “others” must refer to “خَلْقٍ جَدِيدٍ” “a new creation”. Therefore the word “آخَرِينَ” “others” in the Arabic phrase “قَوْمٍ آخَرِينَ َ” “qawmen akhareen” translated as “other people” in verse 6:133 must also refer to a human species other than modern man.
    This is even worse, now you're speculating on what Allah subhana wa ta'ala "could" do, and making interpretive tafsir for that to prove your theory!

    عَلَى أَن نُّبَدِّلَ أَمْثَالَكُمْ وَنُنشِئَكُمْ فِي مَا لَا تَعْلَمُونَ
    عَلَى أَن نُّبَدِّلَ خَيْرًا مِّنْهُمْ وَمَا نَحْنُ بِمَسْبُوقِينَ
    نَحْنُ خَلَقْنَاهُمْ وَشَدَدْنَا أَسْرَهُمْ وَإِذَا شِئْنَا بَدَّلْنَا أَمْثَالَهُمْ تَبْدِيلًا
    It is We who created them, and We have strengthened their joints and when We will, We replaced the like of them (new creation)
    a complete replacement .
    The Glorious Quran: chapter 76, verse 28 (622 AD)
    On that we replace better than them (new creation) and We will not be outrun.
    The Glorious Quran: chapter 70, verse 41 (610 AD)
    On that we replace the like of you (new creation) and construct you in what you do not know (resurrection).
    The Glorious Quran: chapter 56, verse 61 (610 AD)
    Human evolution will continue
    Theses verses indicate that we will be replaced completely by a similar, yet more advanced human species.
    The tafsir is becoming worse and worse. Here it is very clear that the interpretation is wrong. Two of those verses are actually about creation in the afterlife and have absolutely nothing to do with evolution! If you read the verses preceding and following them that should be crystal clear.

    وَضَرَبَ لَنَا مَثَلًا وَنَسِيَ خَلْقَهُ قَالَ مَنْ يُحْيِي الْعِظَامَ وَهِيَ رَمِيمٌ
    قُلْ يُحْيِيهَا الَّذِي أَنشَأَهَا أَوَّلَ مَرَّةٍ وَهُوَ بِكُلِّ خَلْقٍ عَلِيمٌ
    And he has (man) coined for Us a similitude, and he has forgotten his creation. He said: “Who will give life to the bones when they are remnants.” Say: “He will give life to them Who constructed them the first time, and He in every creation is All Knowing.”
    The Glorious Quran chapter: 36, verse 78-79 (610 AD)
    وَإِن تَعْجَبْ فَعَجَبٌ قَوْلُهُمْ أَئِذَا كُنَّا تُرَابًا أَئِنَّا لَفِي خَلْقٍ جَدِيدٍ أُوْلَـئِكَ الَّذِينَ كَفَرُواْ بِرَبِّهِمْ وَأُوْلَئِكَ الأَغْلاَلُ فِي أَعْنَاقِهِمْ وَأُوْلَـئِكَ أَصْحَابُ النَّارِ هُمْ فِيهَا خَالِدونَ
    And If you become astonished, indeed astonishing is their saying: “When we become soil we shall be in a new creation (resurrection)!“ Those are who disbelieved in their Lord and those are who the shackles will be on their necks and those are the companions of the Fire, they are in it eternally.
    The Glorious Quran chapter: 13, verse 5 (622 AD)
    ذَلِكَ جَزَآؤُهُم بِأَنَّهُمْ كَفَرُواْ بِآيَاتِنَا وَقَالُواْ أَئِذَا كُنَّا عِظَامًا وَرُفَاتًا أَإِنَّا لَمَبْعُوثُونَ خَلْقًا جَدِيدًا أَوَلَمْ يَرَوْاْ أَنَّ اللّهَ الَّذِي خَلَقَ السَّمَاوَاتِ وَالأَرْضَ قَادِرٌ عَلَى أَن يَخْلُقَ مِثْلَهُمْ وَجَعَلَ لَهُمْ أَجَلاً لاَّ رَيْبَ فِيهِ فَأَبَى الظَّالِمُونَ إَلاَّ كُفُورًا
    That is their reward because they disbelieved in Our revelations and said: “When we are bones and decomposed particles are we to be raised up a new creation!” Have they not seen that Allah Who created the heavens and the earth is Able to create the like of them, and has appointed for them an end whereof there is no doubt? But the wrong-doers refused except to disbelief.
    The Glorious Quran chapter: 17, verse 98-99 (610 AD)
    Resurrection is the final evolution
    These verses indicate that we will be constructed from our remnants (containing our DNA) a similar, yet new creation.
    How can you even call this evolution? The theory of evolution suggests mutations in semen/eggs cause new species, being reconstructed after death obviously has nothing to do with evolution, now you are really stretching explanations to find "proof" in the Qur'an.

    Theory of Creative Evolution
    •An extinction level event results in removal of existing human species from Earth.
    •A period of time elapses for Earth to become inhabitable again.
    •Previous species’ DNA is extracted from the clay of black soil rich with organic matter.
    •A new and more advanced species is constructed from the clay based on the extracted DNA.
    •The new species is placed on Earth as a new successor.
    •Since our Sun is still middle-aged and has 4-5 billion years before it becomes a red-giant, this evolution could continue for many successors to come.
    •The final evolution will occur when we are resurrected a new creation from our remnants containing our DNA.
    •Coincides with the archeological fossil record.
    •Explains the DNA similarities between species.
    •Resolves the mystery of the “missing link”.
    Oh my, what a final! Sorry but this is just absurd. How can you call this a "theory" this is complete speculation. Could it happen? Maybe. Do we have any indication that it might happen? No, not at all! The entire thing is based on false interpretation of the Qur'an.
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    MashaAllah brother, it's hard for everyone, especially for those who call to Islam.
    I found that it helps to remember surah al-asr when that stuff happens.
    May Allah subhana wa ta'ala guide you
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    Al-Salam Alaykum,

    Jazak Allah Khayer for your replay. Although you have skipped many of the verses (posters) which when included they all come together to support what we have discovered. I will reply to your e-mail in more details, but today we have a meeting on campus to arrange a presentation of our findings to the university community. I believe it would be more effective to look at one verse (poster) at a time. For now, can you give me your understanding of poster-3?

    الْحَمْدُ لِلَّهِ فَاطِرِ السَّمَاوَاتِ وَالْأَرْضِ جَاعِلِ الْمَلَائِكَةِ رُسُلًا أُولِي أَجْنِحَةٍ مَّثْنَى وَثُلَاثَ وَرُبَاعَ يَزِيدُ فِي الْخَلْقِ مَا يَشَاء إِنَّ اللَّهَ عَلَى كُلِّ شَيْءٍ قَدِيرٌ

    Praise be to Allah, Creator of the Heavens and the Earth, Who made the angels messengers having wings, two or three or four. He increases in the creation whatever He wills. Certainly Allah is capable of all things.
    The Glorious Quran: chapter 35, verse 1 (622 AD)


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    Al-Salam Alaykum,
    Jazak Allah Khayer for your replay. Although you have skipped many of the verses (posters) which when included they all come together to support what we have discovered. I will reply to your e-mail in more details, but today we have a meeting on campus to arrange a presentation of our findings to the university community. I believe it would be more effective to look at one verse (poster) at a time. For now, can you give me your understanding of poster-3?

    الْحَمْدُ لِلَّهِ فَاطِرِ السَّمَاوَاتِ وَالْأَرْضِ جَاعِلِ الْمَلَائِكَةِ رُسُلًا أُولِي أَجْنِحَةٍ مَّثْنَى وَثُلَاثَ وَرُبَاعَ يَزِيدُ فِي الْخَلْقِ مَا يَشَاء إِنَّ اللَّهَ عَلَى كُلِّ شَيْءٍ قَدِيرٌ

    Praise be to Allah, Creator of the Heavens and the Earth, Who made the angels messengers having wings, two or three or four. He increases in the creation whatever He wills. Certainly Allah is capable of all things.
    The Glorious Quran: chapter 35, verse 1 (622 AD)


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