Intercession

Salam Akulion,

Thank you for your response. Concerning forgiveness: GOD is truly forgiving. I believe that with all my heart. But is GOD not also a Holy, Righteous, and Just GOD? Do we live in a world that has laws and the breaking of those laws involves punishment. People might be very sorry for breaking a law, but if caught, they have to pay a price. When we sin against GOD, does He simply ignore sin? How would you combine justice and mercy together?

Thanks --- Wayne

Hey POBook.


Yes - someone will intercede for us on the day of Judgement.

Please read the following hadith: (saying of our beloved Prophet Muhammad, peace and blessings be upon him.)



Sahih Bukhari - Volume 6, Book 60, Number 3:

Narrated Anas:

The Prophet (peace be upon him) said, "On the Day of Resurrection the Believers will assemble and say, 'Let us ask somebody to intercede for us with our Lord.' So they will go to Adam and say, 'You are the father of all the people, and Allah created you with His Own Hands, and ordered the angels to prostrate to you, and taught you the names of all things; so please intercede for us with your Lord, so that He may relieve us from this place of ours.' Adam will say, 'I am not fit for this (i.e. intercession for you).' Then Adam will remember his sin and feel ashamed thereof. He will say, 'Go to Noah, for he was the first Apostle, Allah sent to the inhabitants of the earth.' They will go to him and Noah will say,

'I am not fit for this undertaking.' He will remember his appeal to his Lord to do what he had no knowledge of, then he will feel ashamed thereof and will say, 'Go to the Khalil--r-Rahman (i.e. Abraham).' They will go to him and he will say, 'I am not fit for this undertaking. Go to Moses, the slave to whom Allah spoke (directly) and gave him the Torah .' So they will go to him and he will say, 'I am not fit for this undertaking.' and he will mention (his) killing a person who was not a killer, and so he will feel ashamed thereof before his Lord, and he will say, 'Go to Jesus, Allah's Slave, His Apostle and Allah's Word and a Spirit coming from Him. Jesus will say, 'I am not fit for this undertaking, go to Muhammad the Slave of Allah whose past and future sins were forgiven by Allah.' So they will come to me and I will proceed till I will ask my Lord's Permission and I will be given permission. When I see my Lord, I will fall down in Prostration and He will let me remain in that state as long as He wishes and then I will be addressed.' (Muhammad!) Raise your head. Ask, and your request will be granted; say, and your saying will be listened to; intercede, and your intercession will be accepted.' I will raise my head and praise Allah with a saying (i.e. invocation) He will teach me, and then I will intercede. He will fix a limit for me (to intercede for) whom I will admit into Paradise. Then I will come back again to Allah, and when I see my Lord, the same thing will happen to me. And then I will intercede and Allah will fix a limit for me to intercede whom I will let into Paradise, then I will come back for the third time; and then I will come back for the fourth time, and will say, 'None remains in Hell but those whom the Quran has imprisoned (in Hell) and who have been destined to an eternal stay in Hell.' " (The compiler) Abu 'Abdullah said: 'But those whom the Qur'an has imprisoned in Hell,' refers to the Statement of Allah:

"They will dwell therein forever." (16.29)

Thanks for your reply Fe_Sabilillah. If the Qu’ran says there will be no intercession but the Hadith says there will be intercession, which of these two books do I believe?

Wayne

Allah is He Who created the heavens and the earth and what is between them in six periods, and He mounted the throne (of authority); you have not besides Him any guardian or any intercessor, will you not then mind? (32:04)



This is depending on the translation of the verse. If you look into this within the arabic context - it has a meaning that you dont have any protector, or intercessor besides him - hence you dont have anyone who can go against the will of Allah.

Our beloved Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) will only intercede through Allah Almighty's will. Like its mentioned in the hadith:


When I see my Lord, I will fall down in Prostration and He will let me remain in that state as long as He wishes and then I will be addressed.' (Muhammad!) Raise your head. Ask, and your request will be granted; say, and your saying will be listened to; intercede, and your intercession will be accepted.'


So that is showing that the intercession can not be done, but only through Allah Almighty's will.

I hope you understand what i mean, because - we as muslims believe that only Allah Almighty has the power to decide whether a person is going heaven or hell or not - and the intercession of our beloved Prophet (peace be upon him) will be a way of asking Allah, to allow the believers who were destined to hell, to be able to go paradise.

How is "no intercession" explained with "intercession"? Is this not the same as saying that "yes" in the Qu'ran means "no" in the Hadith?

You have no guardian besides God, and the intercession can only be completed with Allah Almighty's permission, without the permission of God, no-one will be interceded for.

Thank you for the welcome Silver Pearl...that's a very interesting name. How did you decide on it?

Yes, I am a firm believer in GOD as a forgiving GOD. But is he not also just? If you have children who do not do what you tell them to, do you not discipline them or punish them? There is no perfect human being. We have all committed sins against GOD--intentionally or unintentionally. I want to know how a Holy and Righteous God is going to deal with sin.

format_quote Originally Posted by Fi_Sabilillah

You have no guardian besides God, and the intercession can only be completed with Allah Almighty's permission, without the permission of God, no-one will be interceded for.

How does it make you feel, Sa_Bilillah, to know that you may not have someone to intercede with you on Judgement day? Are you comfortable with the possibility that you may spend eternity in hell and not in heaven? Please know that I say this out of love.

format_quote Originally Posted by akulion

no not in the least

you see the intercession is ONLY with Allah

no one has the POWER to interceed - but they do have the power to PRAY to Allah and ASK and IF Allah grants it then they may intercede THROUGH the mercy of Allah.

Example:

Im the leader of my company - I decide and take all decisions and no one can take the decisions except me

Now my employees ASK me for changes - IF I decide I grant them

My employees ASK for decisions to be taken and IF I want I make them

What remains true under ALL circumstances is that ONLY I can make those decisions - not my employees EVER except by my will

Hope that example sheds some light on the issue

I admire your leadership in your company, Akulion. I do not consider myself to be a leader despite the fact that many people have said I am a leader. That aside, I think your example is good. What would you do with an employee who took it upon himself or herself to make a decision without consulting you?

Regarding your second question - most non muslims think of God as merciless, and someone who wants to imply laws on people without any justness.

But in reality - this is totally the opposite of the truth.


In the qur'an it is said many times that Allaah will forgive the sins of people if they turn to him in repentance.


Would you not agree that what the following verse mentions is more than justice?

6:160 He that doeth good shall have ten times as much to his credit: He that doeth evil shall only be recompensed according to his evil: no wrong shall be done unto (any of) them.

Allaah also says:

2:286 On no soul doth Allah Place a burden greater than it can bear. It gets every good that it earns, and it suffers every ill that it earns.

14:7 And remember! your Lord caused to be declared (publicly): "If ye are grateful, I will add more (favours) unto you; But if ye show ingratitude, truly My punishment is terrible indeed."

Therefore Allaah is not asking us for something that is hard; but merely that we obey Him and show gratitude for all that He has given us:

14:31 Speak to my servants who have believed, that they may establish regular prayers, and spend (in charity) out of the sustenance we have given them, secretly and openly, before the coming of a Day in which there will be neither mutual bargaining nor befriending.

It is not enough to simply say that you "believe in God", as is explained in the Qur'an:

[29.2] Do men think that they will be left alone on saying, We believe, and not be tried?
[29.3] And certainly We tried those before them, so Allah will certainly know those who are true and He will certainly know the liars.
[29.4] Or do they who work evil think that they will escape Us? Evil is it that they judge!



This only a few verses showing the Justness of Allah Almighty, and that whatever a person does - it will have either good or bad consequences, depending on the action and the intention.

Our beloved Prophet Muhammad (peace and blessings be upon him and his beloved family) said:


"Actions are but by intentions and every man will have only what he intended..."

explanation of hadith: http://www.islamtoday.com/showme2.cf...sub_cat_id=552


in another hadith, a hadith qudsi (the most important out of all hadith because they are said to our beloved Prophet (peace be upon him):


Hadith Qudsi 15:

On the authority of Abu Harayrah (may Allah be pleased with him), who said that the Prophet (PBUH) said: Allah the Almighty said:

I am as My servant thinks I am (1). I am with him when he makes mention of Me. If he makes mention of Me to himself, I make mention of him to Myself; and if he makes mention of Me in an assembly, I make mention of him in an assemble better than it. And if he draws near to Me an arm's length, I draw near to him a fathom's length. And if he comes to Me walking, I go to him at speed.

(1) Another possible rendering of the Arabic is: "I am as My servant expects Me to be". The meaning is that forgiveness and acceptance of repentance by the Almighty is subject to His servant truly believing that He is forgiving and merciful. However, not to accompany such belief with right action would be to mock the Almighty.


Allaah Almighty, the Most Forgiving says:

O son of Adam, so long as you call upon Me and ask of Me, I shall forgive you for what you have done, and I shall not mind. O son of Adam, were your sins to reach the clouds of the sky and were you then to ask forgiveness of Me, I would forgive you. O son of Adam, were you to come to Me with sins nearly as great as the earth and were you then to face Me, ascribing no partner to Me, I would bring you forgiveness nearly as great at it.

Hadith Qudsi 34



Allah has written down the good deeds and the bad ones. Then He explained it [by saying that] he who has intended a good deed and has not done it, Allah writes it down with Himself as a full good deed, but if he has intended it and has done it, Allah writes it down with Himself as from ten good deeds to seven hundred times, or many times over. But if he has intended a bad deed and has not done it, Allah writes it down with Himself as a full good deed, but if he has intended it and has done it, Allah writes it down as one bad deed.

Hadith Qudsi 16


thats just a few.. if you need more info. please ask.

format_quote Originally Posted by akulion

The fact is that we try our best and as long as we try we have the reassurance of gaining Allah's mercy
Alhamdolillah
So no worries

What would you do if one of your employees was doing their best but just kept messing up--costing you money, pride, and time. Would you keep this employee?