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    I know we have to give Da'wah; but in my experience it can be very difficult, and rather disheartening; I find that most people these days have their own, fixed, and preconceived ideas about Islam, and so they do not want to learn anything about Islam; in fact: all they seem to want to do is to degrade Islam! I find this very frustrating.
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    Re: Da'wah can be difficult

    So was it in the days of the Prophet but he did it. On the other hand, As far as I know, dawah is not fardh. Maybe it is wajib, I dont know.
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    Re: Da'wah can be difficult

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    So was it in the days of the Prophet but he did it. On the other hand, As far as I know, dawah is not fardh. Maybe it is wajib, I dont know.
    I'm pretty sure that Da'wah is Fardh upon all Muslims.
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    Re: Da'wah can be difficult

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    So was it in the days of the Prophet but he did it. On the other hand, As far as I know, dawah is not fardh. Maybe it is wajib, I dont know.
    what's the first pillar?
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    Re: Da'wah can be difficult

    i think based on Quran 3:104 it is farz-i kifaye (fardh al kifayah), that is a communal obligation, it is sufficient if some individuals do it, not farz-i ayn, not incumbent on every individual muslim

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    but before we are lost in a legalist debate, don't be frustrated. They can see already enough frustrated and angry muslims anyway online or in the media:P have to accept there will always be ignorants and haters of islam and muslims. be patient, show good example and try to answer to your best if they have questions about islam, and if Allah wills then some of them may be guided. it also helps a lot if your muslim community is engaging in various activities with the wider society, like have open days, do volunteer services for the benefit for both the muslims and non-muslims etc to change the attitudes at least on a local level...
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    Re: Da'wah can be difficult

    Of course it's fardh (obligatory)

    Especially to one's own children - but also to those with whom the person interacts and is affected by.
    How can a person walk according to the guidance of God properly if the people around him/her are careless of implementing the guidance of God?
    How can a person expect justice according to the ruling of God if those in in authority are ruling according to hawaa and according to the rulings of shaytuaan?
    how can a person expect to win (in the dunya sense) in battle if everyone else is fighting for shaytuaan?
    a shaheed (witness) is a person who bears shahaadah to the just truth in this world, and a greater shaheed is one who pays for his testimony in this world with his life, and testifies to the injustice of his killers in the next.
    There's a reason why murder (from martyr) was seen as more henious than "man slaughter" and judged more heavily by believers of past nations. Testimony is something heavy.
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    Re: Da'wah can be difficult

    Yes: my understanding is that giving Da'wah is Fard: obligatory on each every adult Muslim who is of sound mind.

    So does anyone have any ideas or suggestions or stories on how they've successfully given Da'wah?
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    Re: Da'wah can be difficult

    I think that the beginning of success is when you've managed to convince yourself and others of the validity of a haqq (just truth), not everything happens in one day, but yet the good sower sows good grain - even when he's a little poorly himself, and even though there are some stones on his field.


    I was reading this with the kids today and felt the bleak situation of the Prophet during the initial Makkah years, they were treting him with such mockery that he must have sometimes felt like Yunus ibn Matta other than for the psychological support he had from the continuous revelation and the growing number of believers.
    Try to imagine the situation.

    47. We know best why it is they listen, when they listen to thee; and when they meet in private conference, behold, the wicked say, "Ye follow none other than a man bewitched!"

    48. See what similes they strike for thee: but they have gone astray, and never can they find a way.

    49. They say: "What! when we are reduced to bones and dust, should we really be raised up (to be) a new creation?"

    50. Say: "(Nay!) be ye stones or iron,

    51. "Or created matter which, in your minds, is hardest (to be raised up),- (Yet shall ye be raised up)!" then will they say: "Who will cause us to return?" Say: "He who created you first!" Then will they wag their heads towards thee, and say, "When will that be?" Say, "May be it will be quite soon!

    52. "It will be on a Day when He will call you, and ye will answer (His call) with (words of) His praise, and ye will think that ye tarried but a little while!"

    53. Say to My servants that they should (only) say those things that are best: for Satan doth sow dissensions among them: For Satan is to man an avowed enemy.

    54. It is your Lord that knoweth you best: If He please, He granteth you mercy, or if He please, punishment: We have not sent thee to be a disposer of their affairs for them.


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    Re: Da'wah can be difficult

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    Yes: my understanding is that giving Da'wah is Fard: obligatory on each every adult Muslim who is of sound mind.

    So does anyone have any ideas or suggestions or stories on how they've successfully given Da'wah?
    Here, watch this:



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    Bushwackk: Thank you so much! Jazaka Allah khair, bro!
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    Re: Da'wah can be difficult

    Quote Originally Posted by manofIslam View Post
    I know we have to give Da'wah; but in my experience it can be very difficult, and rather disheartening; I find that most people these days have their own, fixed, and preconceived ideas about Islam, and so they do not want to learn anything about Islam; in fact: all they seem to want to do is to degrade Islam! I find this very frustrating.
    Asalamu Alaikum

    To be rather frank, I don't want such toxic people infecting my community.

    I'll stick to preaching Islam to those who are:

    1. My family
    2. People who express interest
    3. Friends of mine

    Other than that, I'll sometimes also refute nonsense concocted by the Kuffar about Islam, but eventually I'll stop if they prove unwilling to listen.
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    Re: Da'wah can be difficult

    I agree with al Khorasani. Preach Islam to the ones who want it. Dont spend your time and energy with the ones who have no interest. Even Rasulullah made this mistake and Allah warned him in Quran. I sometimes watch the debates between muslims and non muslims in YT and what they do is a waste of time because the audiance has no interest to accept but their sole interest is to debate. Another mistake from the history is from the Ottoman state. One of the targets of the Ottomans was to expand Islam in Europe and their center in the Balkans was Belgrad. Serbs were more reluctant than Bosnians but still in the early 16th century there was a rise in conversion to Islam within Serbs. However after the conquest of Hungary they moved the center from Belgrad to Budapest and this move decreased the Serbian conversion to Islam dramatically. If they did not do it maybe Serbs would be a muslim majority people today.
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    Re: Da'wah can be difficult

    Quote Originally Posted by anatolian View Post
    I agree with al Khorasani. Preach Islam to the ones who want it. Dont spend your time and energy with the ones who have no interest. Even Rasulullah made this mistake and Allah warned him in Quran. I sometimes watch the debates between muslims and non muslims in YT and what they do is a waste of time because the audiance has no interest to accept but their sole interest is to debate. Another mistake from the history is from the Ottoman state. One of the targets of the Ottomans was to expand Islam in Europe and their center in the Balkans was Belgrad. Serbs were more reluctant than Bosnians but still in the early 16th century there was a rise in conversion to Islam within Serbs. However after the conquest of Hungary they moved the center from Belgrad to Budapest and this move decreased the Serbian conversion to Islam dramatically. If they did not do it maybe Serbs would be a muslim majority people today.
    Asalamu Alaikum

    I agree with what you said, but you need to be careful when making comments about Rasulullah (Peace Be Upon Him) and Allah (The Most Gracious and The Most Merciful), since what you just said is not common knowledge, you must provide evidence for your claim.
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    Re: Da'wah can be difficult

    Quote Originally Posted by Al Khorasani View Post
    Asalamu Alaikum

    I agree with what you said, but you need to be careful when making comments about Rasulullah (Peace Be Upon Him) and Allah (The Most Gracious and The Most Merciful), since what you just said is not common knowledge, you must provide evidence for your claim.
    Aleykumsalaam

    Shuara(Poets):3 “Perhaps you will kill yourself with grief because they do not believe.”

    Kahf(Cave):6 “Then maybe you will kill yourself with grief, sorrowing after them, if they do not believe in this announcement”

    The Prophet Aleyhisselam was extremely forcing himself to preach but some of them were just reluctant and were not open. Allah warns the Prophet Aleyhisselam in these ayahs not force himself that much with these kind of people.
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    Re: Da'wah can be difficult

    Quote Originally Posted by anatolian View Post
    Aleykumsalaam

    Shuara(Poets):3 “Perhaps you will kill yourself with grief because they do not believe.”

    Kahf(Cave):6 “Then maybe you will kill yourself with grief, sorrowing after them, if they do not believe in this announcement”

    The Prophet Aleyhisselam was extremely forcing himself to preach but some of them were just reluctant and were not open. Allah warns the Prophet Aleyhisselam in these ayahs not force himself that much with these kind of people.
    Do you have any proof these ayat are directed towards Rasulullah (Peace Be Upon Him)?
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    Re: Da'wah can be difficult

    Quote Originally Posted by Al Khorasani View Post
    Do you have any proof these ayat are directed towards Rasulullah (Peace Be Upon Him)?
    The arabic used is "KA" and not "KUM" - which means it was being directed in first person singular to the Prophet

    The tafseer to the openimg verses of surah 'Abasa also indicate that energy should be focused on those more willing to take heed.
    That's known in advertising psychology though innit?




    أَفَمَن زُيِّنَ لَهُ سُوءُ عَمَلِهِ فَرَآهُ حَسَنًا فَإِنَّ اللَّهَ يُضِلُّ مَن يَشَاءُ وَيَهْدِي مَن يَشَاءُ فَلَا تَذْهَبْ نَفْسُكَ عَلَيْهِمْ حَسَرَاتٍ إِنَّ اللَّهَ عَلِيمٌ بِمَا يَصْنَعُونَ

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    Re: Da'wah can be difficult

    So would anyone like to share ways in which they've given Da'wah?
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    Re: Da'wah can be difficult

    I used to give dawah in internet and I remember two people accepted Islam. I think I need to admit that I am a little shy to give dawah in real life too. In fact I am living in a Muslim majority country but agian the majority in my area are very weak Muslims.
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    Re: Da'wah can be difficult

    Quote Originally Posted by anatolian View Post
    I used to give dawah in internet and I remember two people accepted Islam. I think I need to admit that I am a little shy to give dawah in real life too. In fact I am living in a Muslim majority country but agian the majority in my area are very weak Muslims.
    Thanks for this, bro! Where on the Internet did you give Da'wah?
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    Re: Da'wah can be difficult

    You are welcome. You can give dwah anywhere in internet. But ofcourse mostly in religious discussion enviroments like this one. Once there were Yahoo chat rooms and I was frequent in the Islamic room but it is closed now. I met these two people over there. I was also frequent in christian forums and although it was forbidden to proselytize other religions I was trying to do indirectly.
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