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    Deoband and Tablighi Jamat (OP)


    Quote Originally Posted by azc View Post
    Even in this age, after the fall of ottoman khilafah, Allah swt chose ajami (ulama e deoband, India) for ihyaaud deen in the entire world in form of tabligi jamat whereas Allah swt gave oil and wealth (duniya) to Arab.
    Deobandi are not the saviors of the ummah, nor everything they do is according to the Quran and Sunnah. And your tabligi jamat teaches from their shirk based Fazale Amal book more than the Quran and Sunnah.
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    Re: Are Arabs the best? Does Allah love them the most?

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    Quote Originally Posted by azc View Post
    One thing often surprises me that how tj has spread in every corner of the world without any kind of help from any government or organization.

    I've seen their ijtimah which sometimes goes around 5 million people e.g. Bijnor ijtima and how beautifully they managed without any support of local administration is just amazing.

    In hadith we read sahaba ikram ra loved each other, a glimpse of this love can be seen in tj workers. About 11 years ago I happened to stay in markaz nizamuddin for 2 nights I observed several qualities of sahaba ra in them.

    I know darul uloom and mazahirul uloom have given the fatwa against women's jamat as well.

    nevertheless, I appreciate their efforts for deen.
    There is a principle you should never forget.

    Allaah can help His Diin by means of a wicked person (faajir).


    Narrated Abu Huraira:



    We witnessed (the battle of) Khaibar. Allah's Messenger (sallallaahu alayhi wa sallam) said about one of those who were with him and who claimed to be a Muslim. "This (man) is from the dwellers of the Hell-Fire." When the battle started, that fellow fought so violently and bravely that he received plenty of wounds. Some of the people were about to doubt (the Prophet's statement), but the man, feeling the pain of his wounds, put his hand into his quiver and took out of it, some arrows with which he slaughtered himself (i.e. committed suicide). Then some men amongst the Muslims came hurriedly and said, "O Allah's Apostle! Allah has made your statement true so-and-so has committed suicide. "The Prophet (ﷺ) said, "O so-and-so! Get up and make an announcement that none but a believer will enter Paradise and that Allah may support the religion with an unchaste (evil) wicked man.



    [Sahih al-Bukhaari Hadiith No. 4203]

    Just because someone helps Diin does not make him a person who is taken from without criticism.

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    Re: Deoband and Tablighi Jamat

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    There is a principle you should never forget.

    Allaah can help His Diin by means of a wicked person (faajir).


    Narrated Abu Huraira:



    We witnessed (the battle of) Khaibar. Allah's Messenger (sallallaahu alayhi wa sallam) said about one of those who were with him and who claimed to be a Muslim. "This (man) is from the dwellers of the Hell-Fire." When the battle started, that fellow fought so violently and bravely that he received plenty of wounds. Some of the people were about to doubt (the Prophet's statement), but the man, feeling the pain of his wounds, put his hand into his quiver and took out of it, some arrows with which he slaughtered himself (i.e. committed suicide). Then some men amongst the Muslims came hurriedly and said, "O Allah's Apostle! Allah has made your statement true so-and-so has committed suicide. "The Prophet (ﷺ) said, "O so-and-so! Get up and make an announcement that none but a believer will enter Paradise and that Allah may support the religion with an unchaste (evil) wicked man.



    [Sahih al-Bukhaari Hadiith No. 4203]

    Just because someone helps Diin does not make him a person who is taken from without criticism.
    If I compare salafis to tj people, I see Tj much better than salafis. However, I know some salafis are very nice Muslims but most of them are arrogant and arrogant people are beloved to shytan.

    Hope you agree with me, my friend...?

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    Re: Deoband and Tablighi Jamat

    Those tablighis i met, mostly groups coming from western European countries (but once also met a group from Malaysia) all gave me a very positive impression on the movement and its ideals and they have an admirable mission and effort. i'm grateful to Allah for also sending them to our small communities too, reminding us local muslims, and it can also be a great spiritual experience for the participants of these khuruj tours.

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    Re: Deoband and Tablighi Jamat

    Quote Originally Posted by alfaqir View Post
    Those tablighis i met, mostly groups coming from western European countries (but once also met a group from Malaysia) all gave me a very positive impression on the movement and its ideals and they have an admirable mission and effort. i'm grateful to Allah for also sending them to our small communities too, reminding us local muslims, and it can also be a great spiritual experience for the participants of these khuruj tours.
    Have you heard of Professor Sanaullah Khan of Aligarh...?
    Just one person revive Islam in France.

    https://kuffiyah.blogspot.com/2012/0...0%2C7506326988
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    Re: Deoband and Tablighi Jamat

    HistoryEdit

    The Deobandi movement developed as a reaction to the-British colonialism-which was seen by a group of Indian scholars — consisting of-Rashid Ahmad Gangohi,-Muhammad Yaqub Nanautawi, Shah Rafi al-Din, Sayyid Muhammad Abid, Zulfiqar Ali, Fadhl al-Rahman Usmani and-Muhammad Qasim Nanotvi-— to be corrupting Islam. The group founded an Islamic seminary known as-Darul Uloom Deoband,[6]-where the Islamic revivalist and anti-imperialist ideology of the Deobandis began to develop.[7]-In time, the Darul Uloom Deoband became the second largest focal point of Islamic teaching and research after the-Al-Azhar University,-Cairo. Through the organisations such as-Jamiat Ulema-e-Hind-and-Tablighi Jamaat, the Deobandi ideology began to spread.

    Graduates of Deoband from countries such as Saudi Arabia, South Africa, China and Malaysia opened thousands of madaaris throughout the world.[8]:33

    Towards the time of Indian independence, the Deobandis advocated a notion of composite nationalism by which Hindus and Muslims were seen as one nation who were asked to be united in the struggle against the British. In 1919, a large group of Deobandi scholars formed the political party-Jamiat Ulema-e-Hind-and opposed the-Pakistan Movement.
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    Re: Deoband and Tablighi Jamat

    But division of India happened which resulted in weakening the majority of Muslims in subcontinent

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    Re: Deoband and Tablighi Jamat

    Quote Originally Posted by azc View Post
    If I compare salafis to tj people, I see Tj much better than salafis. However, I know some salafis are very nice Muslims but most of them are arrogant and arrogant people are beloved to shytan.

    Hope you agree with me, my friend...?
    Tj narrate weak hadith.

    The writer of their book narrated a book he himself admitted he could not find in the books of Hadith. It was about being punished for making Qadhaa.

    Their Aqiidah is out of place.

    How many Salafis have you met? Most of the ones I met are very humble and nice.

    No, I do not agree with you at all.

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    Re: Deoband and Tablighi Jamat

    Quote Originally Posted by ZeeshanParvez View Post
    How is spreading awareness of Diin a miracle?

    Second, you do realize that the term mujizaat is reserved for the Prophets (peace be upon them all)
    The term karamaat is for the friends of Allaah
    And the term Istidraaj is for the unexplained, supernatural actions carried out by the evil ones.



    Are you accusing scholars of using personal bias to issue Fataawaa against others????

    Here you are saying on another thread how al-Bukhaari narrated from Shia and here you say this?

    The fact that al-Bukhaari narrated from Shia (the Shia then were different from those the term is used for today) shows he took the truth from wherever it came and did not let personal bias intervene.

    While some may, how can you paint all scholars with the same brush? Deobandis have rightly given Fatwaa against the TJ for their use of mind boggling weak and at times untraceable narrations.
    Quote Originally Posted by ZeeshanParvez View Post
    Tj narrate weak hadith.

    The writer of their book narrated a book he himself admitted he could not find in the books of Hadith. It was about being punished for making Qadhaa.

    Their Aqiidah is out of place.

    How many Salafis have you met? Most of the ones I met are very humble and nice.

    No, I do not agree with you at all.
    So what... even shias are humble to each other.

    Anyways you are free to disagree with me.

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