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    Hello people I have been researching Islam I find it very interesting and a positive religion even though it does receive ALOT of bad publicity but luckily I have eben blessed with my own mind and opinion so I dont just follow what the media says as I believe every religion itself deserves respect.

    Well after researching Islam a few point which I noticed are a bit umm strange

    The prophet Muhammad had a 6 year old wife and had sex with her at the age of 9..? can this possibly be right? how can this be true this is not a good thing. I'm sorry if I offend anyone I do not mean this in any disrespect I would just like to find out more.

    ALSO why in Islam is it ok to rape women? if a husband wants to have sex and his wife doesn't why is it ok for him to force her? I thought the quran says women should be treated with respect how is rape treating women with respect? I am always hearing about these hour rape where women are raped by Muslims as a honor punishment and the woman which is raped is seen as the evil one... im sorry this does not make sense. Please explain this to me or tell me it isnt true because I find this quite upsetting.
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    Re: Important, I have to ask these questions.

    Salam Confused1
    The prophet Muhammad had a 6 year old wife and had sex with her at the age of 9..? can this possibly be right? how can this be true this is not a good thing. I'm sorry if I offend anyone I do not mean this in any disrespect I would just like to find out more
    This is one of the FAQs. These couple of links clear things up
    http://www.answering-christianity.com/aisha.htm
    http://www.iol.ie/~afifi/BICNews/Sabeel/sabeel6.htm
    ALSO why in Islam is it ok to rape women? if a husband wants to have sex and his wife doesn't why is it ok for him to force her? I thought the quran says women should be treated with respect how is rape treating women with respect?
    First off, prophet Muhammad clearly said
    The most complete believer is the best in character, and the best of you is the best to his wife.
    [Tirmidhi #1162]
    So that pretty much sums up husband's relationship with his wife in Islam. Also, check out this site
    http://www.ilovezakirnaik.com/womenrights/index.htm
    http://www.womeninislam.ws/en/women-...men-women.aspx

    Now critics of Islam quote the following hadith to prove that in Islam, forced intercourse is allowed for a husband.
    “If a man calls his wife to bed and she refuses, and then he sleeps angry, the angels shall curse her until he awakens.”
    This hadith does not say that man can force her, it only says that it is a sin for a woman to refuse her husband if the refusal will make the husband go to sleep with anger. This hadith does not even hint forced intercourse.
    I am always hearing about these hour rape where women are raped by Muslims as a honor punishment and the woman which is raped is seen as the evil one... im sorry this does not make sense. Please explain this to me or tell me it isnt true because I find this quite upsetting.
    Rape also occurs in Christian majority country but I don't blame that on Christianity. Similarly one cannot blame Islam for the some sins of Muslims. There are black sheep in every community. Here is a link which tells us about punishment of rape in Islam
    http://www.islamonline.net/servlet/S...EAskTheScholar

    This link cites Dr. Ahmad Yusuf Sulaiman, professor of law and Islamic Shari`ah at Cairo University:

    If a woman is raped, she should press charges against the one who raped her. If it is proved that she was raped, then the court must apply discretionary punishment or ta`zir on the rapist. Such discretionary punishment may reach the death penalty, according to some schools of thought. This is based wholly on the fact that the rape is confirmed through medical tests and court procedures, without the confession of the rapist himself.

    In cases where the rapist confesses the crime, then the penalty for zina (illegitimate sexual intercourse) is to be applied to him. If he is not married, then he is to be whipped 100 lashes. If he is married, then he is to be stoned to death.

    As for the rape victim, no punishment is to be inflicted on her. She is to be treated with dignity and honor, and all forms of help should be given to her to gain her rights.

    I'm glad that you realize that Islam receives really bad publicity. I would urge you to know Islam from Islamic sources and post any questions you have in this forum.
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    Re: Important, I have to ask these questions.

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    Hello people I have been researching Islam I find it very interesting and a positive religion even though it does receive ALOT of bad publicity but luckily I have eben blessed with my own mind and opinion so I dont just follow what the media says as I believe every religion itself deserves respect.

    Well after researching Islam a few point which I noticed are a bit umm strange

    The prophet Muhammad had a 6 year old wife and had sex with her at the age of 9..? can this possibly be right? how can this be true this is not a good thing. I'm sorry if I offend anyone I do not mean this in any disrespect I would just like to find out more.

    ALSO why in Islam is it ok to rape women? if a husband wants to have sex and his wife doesn't why is it ok for him to force her? I thought the quran says women should be treated with respect how is rape treating women with respect? I am always hearing about these hour rape where women are raped by Muslims as a honor punishment and the woman which is raped is seen as the evil one... im sorry this does not make sense. Please explain this to me or tell me it isnt true because I find this quite upsetting.
    Hello my friend i welcome you to the forum. You can ask any question you like because without clarity how will we rid ourselves of misconceptions?

    In regards to the question about whether Islam accepts rape the answer to that is obvious- NO. Islam actually punishes rapists with capital punishment whereas in the west a rapist would not get more than 3 or 4 years in prison for an average rape depending of course on the brutality of the rape.

    Where is the justice in imprisoning someone for such a short amount of time for completly ruining a womens life? The physical scars may dissapear but the mental scars a rape leaves stays with a women for life and many women also end up committing suicide because of the mental torture resulting from a rape.

    If you look at history, to ancient civilizations, you will find that women were the oppressed people. They had no individual merit. The Babylonians used to punish the woman for her husband's mistakes. The ancient Egyptians did the same. Ancient Arabs buried their newly born daughters.

    It was Islam that uplifted the status of women. It gave women rights they never had before. Surah Nissah in the Qur'an exhorts believing men to lower their gaze if a lady is passing by. Similarly, there are exhortations for women to lower their gaze if strange men are around. The Quran also speaks about the hijab for men and women to protect the modesty. The hijab for men is to cover their bodies minimally from their navel to the knees. The hijab for women is to cover their whole bodies except for their faces and hands below their wrists. There are descriptions for a female hijab, that it should cover the endowments including head, not be tight, not be transparent, not be like the clothes of non-believers, and not be like the clothes of the other gender, etc. Women got the right to own, inherit property, and to dispose it of at will.

    One concept of dressing so modestly for women is to keep them selves away from the dust & sun of Arab region at that time to protect her beauty which she herself wants more then any one else.

    Secondly modest women gets lesser attention of appraisers in the society. Even today in the most modern society women are subject of rape and crimes. Let me ask you a question: Suppose two identical twin sisters are walking down a street, and one of them is dressed in revealing clothing, while the other one is wearing a hijab. Who will be boys in the street whistle at or tease: the one who is scantily dressed in a mini-skirt, or the one who is modestly attired? The answer is obvious. The hijab is designed to prevent women from being molested. It brings peace to society and prevents mischief.

    There are crimes for which Islam prescribes capital punishment, e.g. for rape, murder etc. This is to protect society from criminals and anti-social elements. In USA there are 2713 rapes taking place every day. In Islam, the penalty is to award the death penalty so that the criminal is not around to repeat this crime, and to teach others a lesson. Americans say that this is a severe punishment. They say that the rapist must be put in jail for the first rape. If after his release he rapes again, then it is ok to put him to death. Friends, statistics in USA show that 95 percent of the rapists, after release from jail, rape again. Islam prevents this second rape. Following the Hijab dress code prevents the rapist from temptation to rape.


    In regards to your other question

    Please read the following article on the subject of the Prophet Muhammed (Peace be upon him) marrige to Aisha:

    The Young Marriage of
    Aishah (radiAllahu Anha)


    Sadly we currently see the efforts of the Christian missionary activity focused primarily on derailing Islam now more than any other period in history. Thus, we witness numerous travesties and parodies coming from them in their attempts to twist, manipulate and totally abuse historical and etymological facts. These polemics range from a variety of the utterly hilarious to the outright abusive and cruel.

    One such dishonest Christian missionary polemic has been the allegation of the young marriage of Aishah (radiAllahu Anha) to the Prophet Muhammad(sallallahu Alayhi wasallam).
    The missionaries try to accuse the Prophet of being a child molester, albeit in politically correct terms, due to the fact that Aishah (radiAllahu Anha) was betrothed (zawaj) at the age of 6 years old and the marriage was consummated (nikâh) a few years after the marriage at 9 years old when she was in full puberty.
    The lapse of time between the zawaj and nikâh of Aishah (radiAllahu Anha) clearly shows that her parents were waiting for her to reach puberty before her marriage was consummated.
    If it were not for the fact that some gullible Christians have been parroting the claims without understanding the reasons behind it, we would have not even bothered with a refutation. Such a claim is based only on conjecture and moral relativism, and not on fact. This article seeks to refute the allegation, insha'allah.

    Puberty And Young Marriage In Semitic Culture

    The hilarity of the whole saga of Christian missionaries accusing the Prophet(sallallahu Alayhi wasallam) of committing "child molestation" is that this contradicts the basic fact that a girl becomes a woman when she begins her menstruation cycle. The significance of menstruation that anyone with the slightest familiarity with physiology will tell you is that it is a sign that the girl is being prepared to become a mother.

    Women reach puberty at different ages ranging from 8-12 years old depending on genetics, race and environment. We read that

    There is little difference in the size of boys and girls until the age of ten, the growth spurt at puberty starts earlier in girls but lasts longer in boys.[1]

    We also read that

    The first signs of puberty occur around age 9 or 10 in girls but closer to 12 in boys[.][2]

    Women in warmer environments reach puberty at a much earlier age than those in cold environments.

    The average temperature of the country or province is considered the chief factor here, not only with regard to menstruation but as regards the whole of sexual development at puberty.[3]

    Marriage at the early years of puberty was acceptable in 7th century Arabia as it was the social norm in all Semitic cultures from the Israelites to the Arabs and all nations in between. According to Hâ-Talmûd Hâ-Bavlî, which the Jews regard as their "oral Torah", Sanhedrin 76b clearly states that it is preferable that a woman be married when she has her first menses, and in Ketuvot 6a there are rules regarding sexual intercourse with girls who have not yet menstruated. This is further collaborated when Jim West, ThD, a Baptist minister, observes the following tradition of the Israelites:

    The wife was to be taken from within the larger family circle (usually at the outset of puberty or around the age of 13) in order to maintain the purity of the family line.[4]

    Puberty has always been a symbol of adulthood throughout history.
    Puberty is defined as the age or period at which a person is first capable of sexual reproduction, in other eras of history, a rite or celebration of this landmark event was a part of the culture.[5]

    The renowned sexologists, R.E.L. Masters and Allan Edwards, in their study of Afro-Asian sexual expression states the following

    Today, in many parts of North Africa, Arabia, and India, girls are wedded and bedded between the ages of five and nine; and no self-respecting female remains unmarried beyond the age of puberty.[6]

    Were There Any Objections to the Marriage of the Prophet(sallallahu Alayhi wasallam) to Aishah (radiAllahu Anha)?

    The answer to this is no. There are absolutely no records from Muslim, secular, or any other historical sources which even implicitly display anything other than utter joy from all parties involved over this marriage. Nabia Abbott describes the marriage of Aishah (radiAllahu Anha) to the Prophet(sallallahu Alayhi wasallam) as follows.

    In no version is there any comment made on the disparity of the ages between Mohammed and Aishah or on the tender age of the bride who, at the most, could not have been over ten years old and who was still much enamoured with her play.[7]

    Even the well-known critical Orientalist, W. Montgomery Watt, said the following about the Prophet's moral character:

    From the standpoint of Muhammad's time, then, the allegations of treachery and sensuality cannot be maintained. His contemporaries did not find him morally defective in any way. On the contrary, some of the acts criticized by the modern Westerner show that Muhammad's standards were higher than those of his time. [8]

    Aside from the fact that no one was displeased with him or his actions, he was a paramount example of moral character in his society and time. Therefore, to judge the Prophet's morality based on the standards of our society and culture today is not only absurd, but also unfair.
    Marriage At Puberty Today

    The Prophet's contemporaries (both enemies and friends) clearly accepted the Prophet's marriage to Aishah (radiAllahu Anha) without any problem. We see the evidence for this by the lack of criticism against the marriage until modern times. However, a change in culture has caused the change in our times today.[/COLOR]

    Even today in the 21st century, the age of sexual consent is still quite low in many places. In Japan, people can legally have sex at age 13, and in Spain they can legally have sex at the age of 12 years old [9].

    A 40-year-old man having sex with a 14-year-old woman may be a "paedophile" in the United States, but neither in China today, where the age of consent is 14, nor in the United States in the last century. Biology is a much better standard by which to determine these things, not the arbitrariness of human culture. In the U.S. during the last century, the age of consent was 10 years old. California was the first state to change the age of consent to 14, which it did in 1889. After California, other U.S. states joined in and raised the age of consent too[10].

    Islam And the Age of Puberty

    Islam clearly teaches that adulthood starts when a person have attained puberty.

    From the collection of Bukhari[11], we read the following tracts:
    The boy attaining the age of puberty and the validity of their witness and the Statement of Allâh:

    "And when the children among you attain the age of puberty, then let them also ask for permission (to enter)."
    Qur'ân 24:59.

    Al Mughira said, "I attained puberty at the age of twelve." The attaining of puberty by women is with the start of menses, as is referred to by the Statement of Allâh:

    "Such of your women as have passed the age of monthly courses, for them prescribed period if you have any doubts (about their periods) is three months..." [Qur'ân, 65:4]

    Thus, it is part of Islam to acknowledge the coming of puberty as the start of adulthood. It is the time when the person has already matured and is ready the responsibilities of an adult. So on what basis do the missionaries criticize the marriage of Aishah (radiAllahu Anha) since her marriage was consummated when she had reached puberty?

    We also read from the same source that

    ...Al-Hasan bin Salih said, "I saw a neighbour of mine who became a grandmother at the age of twenty-one." (1)

    (1) The note for this reference says: "This women attained puberty at the age of nine and married to give birth to a daughter at ten; the daughter had the same experience." [12]

    Thus, it is clear that if the charge of "child molestation" were to be advanced against the Prophet(sallallahu Alayhi wasallam), we would also have to include all the Semitic people who accepted marriage at puberty as the norm.

    Conclusions

    We have thus seen that

    It was the norm of the Semitic society in 7th century Arabia to allow pubescent marriages.

    There was no reports of opposition to the Prophet's marriage to Aishah (radiAllahu Anha) either from his friends or his enemies.

    Even today, there are cultures who still allow pubescent marriage for their young women.

    In spite of facing these well-known facts, the missionaries would still have the audacity to point a finger at the Prophet Muhammad(sallallahu Alayhi wasallam) for immorality. Yet, it was he who had brought justice to the women of Arabia and raised them to a level they had not seen before in their society, something which ancient civilizations have never done to their women.

    When Muhammad(sallallahu Alayhi wasallam) first became the Prophet of Islam, the pagans of Arabia had inherited a disregard for women as had been passed down among their Jewish and Christian neighbours. So disgraceful was it considered among them to be blessed with a female child that they would go so far as to bury this baby alive in order to avoid the disgrace associated with female children.

    "When news is brought to one of them of (the birth of) a female (child) his face darkens and he is filled with inward grief! With shame does he hide himself from his people because of the bad news he has had! Shall he retain it on (sufferance and) contempt or bury it in the dust? Ah! what an evil (choice) they decide on!" [13]

    Through the teachings of Islam, Muhammad(sallallahu Alayhi wasallam) put a swift and resounding end to this evil practice. God tells us that on the Day of Judgment, the female child will be questioned for what crime she was killed.
    "When the female (infant) buried alive is questioned - for what crime she was killed." [14]

    Not only did Muhammad(sallallahu Alayhi wasallam) severely discouraged and condemned this act, he(sallallahu Alayhi wasallam) also used to teach them to respect and cherish their daughters and mothers as partners and sources of salvation for the men of their family.

    Abu Sa'id al-Khudri narrated that

    The Prophet(sallallahu Alayhi wasallam) said: 'If anyone cares for three daughters, disciplines them, marries them, and does good by them, he will enter Paradise.'[15]

    Abdullah the son of Abbas narrated that

    The Prophet(sallallahu Alayhi wasallam) said: 'If anyone has a female child, and does not bury her alive, or slight her, or prefer his male children over her, Allâh will bring him into Paradise.'[16]

    The Prophet(sallallahu Alayhi wasallam) is also cited in Saheeh Muslim as saying

    'Whoever maintains two girls till they attain maturity, he and I will come on the Day of Resurrection like this'; and he joined his fingers.

    In other words, if one loves the Messenger of God (sallallahu Alayhi wasallam) and wishes to be with him on the day of resurrection in heaven, then they should do good by their daughters. This is certainly not the act of a "child molester", as the missionaries would like us to believe.

    Finally, we end this with a citation from the Holy Prophet(sallallahu Alayhi wasallam), who said

    "I have come to defend the two oppressed peoples: women and orphans."

    The Prophet Muhammad(sallallahu Alayhi wasallam)

    Appendix: A married nine-year old in Thailand gives birth

    A news article from The New Straits Times, Malaysia dated 10th of March, 2001 about a nine-year old girl living in northern Thailand giving birth to a baby girl. The fact that a nine-year old girl is mature enough to give birth proves the point above about girls reaching puberty earlier than men.
    Mohd Elfie Nieshaem Juferi

    Source:http://www.al-inaam.com/social/myaaisha.htm

    I hope that helped. Please look into Islam for yourself more deeply and you will find there no doubt in your mind that it makes logical and rational sense and everything will come together in your mind. Allah is wanting to guide you and it is because he sees something in your heart that he likes. Please click on the following links for some very interesting information about Science and the and Islam.

    If you ever need to ask anything else then please don't hesitate to ask.

    The Miracle and Challenge of the Qur'an

    http://www.missionislam.com/quran/challenge.htm

    Some Evidance for the proof of Islam

    http://scienceislam.com/proof_from_truth.php

    The Scientific Miracles of the Qur'an

    http://www.missionislam.com/science/book.htm

    The Scientific Evidence That God Exists and the Holy Qur'an Is His Message to Humanity

    http://www.aljazeerah.info/Islamic%2...0El-Najjar.htm
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