How the Bible Led Me to Islam: The Story of a Former Christian Youth Minister -Joshua

Hmmm.... is this in the Comparative Religions forum to stir debate or discord? He was poorly catachised and thus didn't really know his christian faith.

Peace be with you.

format_quote Originally Posted by gmcbroom

Hmmm.... is this in the Comparative Religions forum to stir debate or discord? He was poorly catachised and thus didn't really know his christian faith. Peace be with you.

Would you like me to send you hundreds of other youtube videos where former priests, nuns, pastors, ministers, people who studied in seminaries, etc, converted to Islam?
It seems the more and fruther christians examine their faith, they will either become agnostics and atheists (as is the current trend in all western countries) or if they get the chance to study Islam properly, they will revert and become muslims.

format_quote Originally Posted by Pєαяℓ σf Wιѕ∂σм

But from a neutral view there are parts where they claim they know their faith, but they test God but as far as know theres a verse from the bible that warns people to not test God and nor does the Qur'aan teach for us to test God. And you see weird parts in those ex muslim videos where they want something soo much they end up testing God if he really exists, in my words i call it 'bribing' using words such as "if you are real, then give me money" next day they find money under their pillow, "if your real let me see you" and some other stuff, is not the creation enough proof to the existence of God? now im not saying only all the 'ex-muslims' do this, but these people clearly have no knowledge in regards of their faith, what i am trying to say that, those who left their faith was because they had no knowledge of their faith in the beginning, so i dont know how they could come to a Conclusion, UNLESS they did research, seeking out to God and all the normal stuff etc etc.. basically in other words getting it all easy, by doing nothing and just getting it, if that makes sense.

I underlined the relevant part. You're applying a double standard here sister as I could say the same thing about ex-christians. The only difference is that apostasy doesn't lead to a death penalty or severe reprimands in western nations as it does in many muslim countries (I'm not saying all). You're also implying that choosing God over Allah is getting it easy but I will posit to you that in both ways it is very hard for any individual putting his faith in perspective.

Instead of posting the stories of others and their conversions, posters should post stories of people they know around them, personal stories instead of just linking some random over-played youtube (an honest source of information?) videos. Apostates exist in every faith...

Peace out!

P.S.: I did research both Christian AND Muslim faith before I made my choice. I didn't choose Islam based on knowledge or wisdom, I just asked God and I got my answer and it couldn't be any clearer.

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The only difference is that apostasy doesn't lead to a death penalty or severe reprimands in western nations as it does in many muslim countries (I'm not saying all).

Does christianity teach you to lie?
Tell me which muslim country that have death penalty just for apostasy?

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Apostates exist in every faith...

Not so good news for you, apparently the highest apostates are among the christians. Have you seen the latest statistics from western countries?

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You're also implying that choosing God over Allah is getting it easy but I will posit to you that in both ways it is very hard for any individual putting his faith in perspective.

Salam brother JPR,

That statement is an absurd one as one could say to you, that since the R.C and E.O precede the church of England (first official "God" reference in liturgy) you choose God over "Theos" and "Dei" would that not make you an "apostate" which by the way you are unless you are a member of either one sect.
Dogmatically both those churches believe in predestination and submission to faith a vehicle of entry into the Grace of God.
Therefore a true believer of God would not place importance as to what name you called God but rather that one believed in Him.
One faith and One God is the unifying creed of Christianity the rest is semantics, dogma and pure racism (a sentiment by which one ceases to be Christian).
I'm an ex E.O and still remember most of the basic catechism.

"If you truly believe then rejoice for the faith others have, that you may find peace of heart in the will of God."

Masalam

PS: The two original churches dealt with apostasy by excommunication a fate worse than death as entailed Hell for eternity
and hell on earth too for you where shuned till death.

Peace Pearl, I'm sorry if I didn't quote you right but your post confused me, I guess I got confused reading the post before yours.

As for you saying I'm contradicting myself saying I chose God over God, I will only point that I don't believe our God is the same, and in fact it can't be for many reasons no matter how hard you try to convince me. Maybe it was just a poor choice of words from my part using the word "Allah". You will forgive me this one blunder as I'm going to learn arabic starting next fall which will prevent me from mis-using and mangling arabic words.

I don't really want to get into a discussion with you on that point, I just wanted to say conversions happen in every religion, not more in one or less in the other.


To answer Naidamar, thanks for calling me a liar:

"For a Muslim wishing to leave Islam this is simply not true. In Yemen it's punishable by death as it is in Iran, Saudi Arabia, Afghanistan under the Taliban and other Islamic states. "

Again:

"As for the constitutions of various Muslim countries, while many do guarantee freedom of belief (Egypt,1971; Syria, 1973; Jordan, 1952) some talk of freedom of conscience (Algeria:1989), and some of freedom of thought and opinion (Mauritania: 1991). Islamic countries with two exceptions do not address the issue of apostasy in their penal codes; the two exceptions are the Sudan, and Mauritania. In the Sudanese Penal Code of 1991, article 126. 2, we read: "Whoever is guilty of apostasy is invited to repent over a period to be determined by the tribunal. If he persists in his apostasy and was not recently converted to Islam, he will be put to death." The Penal Code of Mauritania of 1984, article 306 reads: "...All Muslims guilty of apostasy, either spoken or by overt action will be asked to repent during a period of three days. If he does not repent during this period, he is condemned to death as an apostate, and his belongings confiscated by the State Treasury." This applies equally to women. The Moroccan Penal Code seems only to mention those guilty of trying to subvert the belief of a Muslim, or those who try to convert a Muslim to another religion. The punishment varies between a fine and imprisonment for anything up to three years."

So indeed, I'm a dirty christian liar Naidamar. I always talk of things I do not know about, what about you? You seem very knowledgeable... Apostasy is never punished by islamic states, and never by death.

format_quote Originally Posted by gmcbroom

He was poorly catachised and thus didn't really know his christian faith.

Not your place to say. You don't know him. You don't know what was in his heart and you certainly don't know all that he experienced in his education except the main parts that he's chosen to share with the world today. What matters now is that he has peace, is worshiping God, and is happy with the religion that he has chosen for himself. He has a right to do that without the likes of scathing people like you judging and demeaning him for using his brain.

format_quote Originally Posted by JPR

P.S.: I did research both Christian AND Muslim faith before I made my choice. I didn't choose Islam based on knowledge or wisdom, I just asked God and I got my answer and it couldn't be any clearer.

So, let me ask you then because I'm just a little bit confused by what you said here and I don't mean to cause any problems. I just want clarification. You said: "I did research both Christian and Muslim faith before I made my choice." Then the following sentence you said, "I didn't choose Islam based on knowledge or wisdom." OK. You just said you did research but then you said you didn't choose Islam based on knowledge. So you just learned what you could about Islam, then I'm guessing you got some type of sign in which you chose Christianity.

I'm an advocate for people believing in their faith but knowing why they do. I hope you didn't choose it just because you were walking by and saw a cross or a church or something. Why? Because if you live in America, those things are going to always be there. I can drive within a 5 mile radius around my neighborhood here and find at least 10 churches from different denominations. I really do hope that you chose Christianity because it makes sense to you and not because it makes life easier for ya because everyone else is doing it. If not, then I have to ask...

Why are you here on IB? You don't have to answer me of course but I do see from your post above that you've not done adequate research about Islam so I am guessing that's why you're back to it. I hope so. To strengthen your knowledge which is very good