Who's Al Abu Bakar RA , Is That The Prophet Al 'Iisa AS ?

format_quote Originally Posted by aaj

I'll address all the points/issues in this one post.

We as Muslims believe in the revelations of previous scriptures. The prophet(saw) said that they have been changed by men over time and whatever is in agreement with the Quran is intact and whatever contradicts Quran/Islam is where they went astray.

so does that mean we should read it because it has some good in it as well?

There were some shahabas would read the Bible as well and the Prophet (saw) was all red in face (not happy). He said what need is there for you to read that when you have been given the Quran. So no, one should not go reading books with falsehood and lies in it when there is something pure and better available.

But scholars says you can? Yes, they do BUT only to those who already know their deen and read the scriptures for dawaah purposes. These are peopl are educated in their deen and are able to read other books for cross examination for the purpose of discussions. This not a general permission for laymen or your average Muslim, who doesn't even know much about his own deen.

Faizal Amal is no different. In it may be some good but it has lot of shirk and deviations and lies. And yet those who use it use it like its their quran, they don't touch any other book (Quran or hadith) whether they are sitting their study circles or going on 40 day trips, abandoning their families.

Rather then trying to justify this deviation and being defensive, we should look to what is authentic or not and leave that which can lead to going astray.


Here's some info on that book if you are serious about finding out the truth.

https://archive.org/details/Tablighi...zailAmaalpart1











I do not know enough about him to say one way or another. I am open to taking information from one who uses Quran and Sunnah, the rest I have no interest in.

As I mentioned, brother: I've read almost every refutation there is against Fazaa'il-e-Amaal. I did not quote it as Daleel. I quoted a story Maulana Zakariyyah Kandhlawi mentioned. In that story, there is nothing which opposes Qur'aan and Sunnah.

Did Rasoolullaah صلى الله عليه وسلم allow Muslims to narrate from Bani Israa'eel or did he not? We know that he did. Now, if you can narrate from Kuffaar Jews (Bani Israa'eel), why can you not narrate a story from other places when that story does not contradict anything of Islaam?

Why did Hadhrat `Abdullaah ibn `Abbaas رضي الله عنه - "Ra'ees-ul-Mufassireen" - quote Israeli Waaqi`aat (stories)?

Why does Imaam ibn Katheer repeat those stories in his Tafseer?

So because Tafseer ibn Katheer contains such stories, will you reject Tafseer ibn Katheer as well as a "book of falsehood, lies and fairytales"?

format_quote Originally Posted by Huzaifah ibn Adam

Maulana Zakariyyah Kandhlawi mentions in his "Fazaail-e-Amaal" that one person was in the habit of using abbreviations instead of the full Durood, and as a result of that, Allaah Ta`aalaa caused his hand to become paralysed.

Allaahu A`lam regarding the authenticity of the story.

You know as well as i do that Maulana Zakariyyah Kandhlawi (God knows who he was) had no right to make such a correlation. Sounds like he liked to focus more on rituals than on facts.

Whether you say pbuh or the full durood as found in hadith, or what is between, a whole load of other data (maybe miles of pages) will be transmitted to your book of records depending on intention.

The best advice to give is recommend people to send prayers and continual peace to the prophet pbuh and hold him in such regard.
And that this is done by stating the durood upon first mention and then at least once in a while after that.

Are you aware that the sahaabah would often say the name of the Prophet pbuh without saying ?
I swear to you by the one who sent Muhammad with the truth that i have read various narrations.

And when you recite the shahaadah, Allah has more right to be glorified at the end, although the statement itself is a testimony of the prophet's truth and honouring, and the exaltion of Allah in the mind.

Maulana Zakariyyah Kandhlawi (brief bio from different websites):

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muhamm...riya_Kandhlawi

http://www.madania.org/index.php?opt...ew=artist&id=8

http://www.central-mosque.com/index....dhlawi-ra.html

format_quote Originally Posted by Huzaifah ibn Adam

Maulana Zakariyyah Kandhlawi (brief bio from different websites):

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muhamm...riya_Kandhlawi

http://www.madania.org/index.php?opt...ew=artist&id=8

http://www.central-mosque.com/index....dhlawi-ra.html

Wow, he even had his own khaleefah......

Anyways, not to disrespect his sincere efforts, we know better now, and the companions knew even better,

I remember the story of the tabi'i who told the companion of the messenger of Allah (may the peace and blessings of Allah be upon him) that if the messenger (pbuh) had lived in their (the taabi'in's) time, that they would have carried him arround on their shoulders, the companion told him what time of day it was.

They were the ones who believed in the messenger of Allah (swt) when their families called him a deceiver, a liar, a sorcerer, and a madman, they were the ones who fought their fathers and their brothers for the sake of truth when society was degenerated to humiliation, they were the ones who saw him as a man, not as of the most noble social status or as the most refined orator (by the measure of the tribal leaders) amongst the tribes, but as the man chosen from amongst them by Allah's wisdom. They were the ones who submitted to Allah the most high and obeyed Allah (swt) and His messenger because they saw the truth.
the tabi'is in comparison only got what they heard, and it was because of what they had heard from the companions (may Allah the most high be pleased with them) that they thought so well of him and that they would have done differently.

Anyways, i often cringe when i hear people speaking to a conplete english speaking audience and say in arabic with an indian accent, not even getting the "wa" right but saying "va" whereas it would reach the depths of the hearts of the audience if they had said with firm conviction "may the peace and blessings of Allah be upon him" during oration.

format_quote Originally Posted by aaj

Brother,

you are still trying to justify it and even defend this author by posting his bio links.

You are not a shahabi or the prophet that you are saying they did it so why can't I. Whether that story is true is not the main point. First of all, we don't even know if it's true. But more importantly, you are referencing a book full of lies and shirk. If others had done it then it's different, but you are regarded as a student of knowledge and looked up to and respected on this forum, even refereed to as sheikh. You have to be more aware of the impact of your actions and the impression you give others in regards to what you say and what you quote. For you to quote such a book gives the impression to those who do not know that this book is reliable since you are quoting from it.

You can quote even the satan worshiper's book and say they have this story in it. Everybody knows that is not our book or source of knowledge. But this book is regarded by many among SE Asians as the only source of knowledge. And if you are quoting from it then I'm weary of taking knowledge from you because I honestly don't know what is authentic and what is not since your information is not coming from authentic sources. Others who are aware of the deviation of that book will feel the same, the ones who will listen will be either those who know not or are believer of that book.

You are welcome to do as you wish, I"m not here to debate with you on it. I just wanted to make clear on here about the authenticity of that book since majority of the members here are of that background.

The bio links weren't posted in defense; they were posted as information for Abz who inquired as to who Maulana Zakariyyah Kandhlawi is.

By the way: You are from the Ahl-e-Hadees movement, am I correct?

I remember one tableegi guy asking me why i was reading the quran in english when i wasn't a scholar, i asked him what i should read, he told me ...........

........
........... fazail e a'mal
.....and tabeelgi nisaab

I never ever did manage to finish forty days there......

format_quote Originally Posted by Abz2000

I remember one tableegi guy asking me why i was reading the quran in english when i wasn't a scholar, i asked him what i should read, he told me ...........

........
........... fazail e a'mal
.....and tabeelgi nisaab

I never ever did manage to finish forty days there......

You should ask him: "Why are you giving Fatwas when you aren't a scholar?" He's giving a Fatwaa right there, saying you're not allowed to read the English translation.

In fact, it's such a ridiculous statement to make, someone should laugh at it...

A scholar doesn't read the English translation of the Qur'aan. They only read the Arabic. They have no need of the English. The Qur'aan wasn't translated into English for the sake of the scholars; it was translated for the laypeople...

Also, that is the extremist Tableeghi mindset which is very dangerous; it implies that every aspect of Deen is trivial and unimportant, and only the Tableegh Jamaat (which was started by Maulana Ilyaas Kandhlawi) is the only field of Deen and that the Tableegh Jamaat are the only real Muslims.

Many times, the Tableegh Jamaat goes around to `Ulamaa who spend their days and nights teaching students, running Madaaris and Daarul Ulooms, writing and translating Kitaabs and publishing Islaamic literature, etc., and ask these `Ulamaa to come out in Tableegh Jamaat. What does that imply? It implies that the field of Ta`leem and Ta`allum - as well as all the other fields of Deen - is insignificant.

They have gone into Ghuluww (extremism). They need to remedy it, In Shaa Allaah.

format_quote Originally Posted by Huzaifah ibn Adam

You should ask him: "Why are you giving Fatwas when you aren't a scholar?" He's giving a Fatwaa right there, saying you're not allowed to read the English translation.

In fact, it's such a ridiculous statement to make, someone should laugh at it...

A scholar doesn't read the English translation of the Qur'aan. They only read the Arabic. They have no need of the English. The Qur'aan wasn't translated into English for the sake of the scholars; it was translated for the laypeople...

Also, that is the extremist Tableeghi mindset which is very dangerous; it implies that every aspect of Deen is trivial and unimportant, and only the Tableegh Jamaat (which was started by Maulana Ilyaas Kandhlawi) is the only field of Deen and that the Tableegh Jamaat are the only real Muslims.

Many times, the Tableegh Jamaat goes around to `Ulamaa who spend their days and nights teaching students, running Madaaris and Daarul Ulooms, writing and translating Kitaabs and publishing Islaamic literature, etc., and ask these `Ulamaa to come out in Tableegh Jamaat. What does that imply? It implies that the field of Ta`leem and Ta`allum - as well as all the other fields of Deen - is insignificant.

They have gone into Ghuluww (extremism). They need to remedy it, In Shaa Allaah.

Brother, everyone gives fatwas, i give fatwas to my children, the sahaabah would give fatwas despite never ever having read a book, sometimes they were wrong, one mujaahid sahabah brother with a head injury died because another sahaabah told him he had to make ghusl, the prophet pbuh told them they should have asked if they didn't know.....

...some doctors give wrong fatwas and end up on manslaughter charges, some laymen find iodine or orange peel and apply it.

The main requirement is that one knows what they're talking about and that the person seeking advice tries to get it from the most knowledgeable and truthful source available.

Some people go to free doctors, others go to million dollar internationally renouned doctors, it's a case of practicality, truth, and sincerity.

Study the lives of the companions if you think i am making it up.

I even give myself fatwas when i'm walking down the street and there's no mufti from al aqsa by my side to tell me the right choice.

May Allah guide us.

In islam there is no human rabbi (master), we all do our best.

During the lifetime of Rasoolullaah صلى الله عليه وسلم, not all of the Sahaabah gave Fataawaa; only some did. They were:

1. Hadhrat Abu Bakr رضي الله عنه.
2. Hadhrat `Uthmaan رضي الله عنه.
3. Hadhrat `Ali رضي الله عنه.
4. Hadhrat `Abdur Rahmaan ibn `Awf رضي الله عنه.
5. Hadhrat `Abdullaah ibn Mas`ood رضي الله عنه.
6. Hadhrat Ubayy ibn Ka`b رضي الله عنه.
7. Hadhrat Mu`aadh ibn Jabal رضي الله عنه.
8. Hadhrat `Ammaar ibn Yaasir رضي الله عنه.
9. Hadhrat Huzaifah ibn al-Yamaan رضي الله عنه.
10. Hadhrat Zaid ibn Thaabit رضي الله عنه.
11. Hadhrat Abu-d Dardaa رضي الله عنه.
12. Hadhrat Abu Moosaa al-Ash`ari رضي الله عنه.
13. Hadhrat Salmaan al-Faarisi رضي الله عنه.

124,000 Sahaabah. Only 13 gave Fatwaa whilst Rasoolullaah صلى الله عليه وسلم was in this Dunyaa.

When Hadhrat Mu`aadh ibn Jabal, Hadhrat `Abdullaah ibn Mas`ood, Hadhrat Abu Moosaa al-Ash`ari, رضي الله عنهم were alive, the Taabi`een used to ask them the Fatwaa on different things. Why is that? They were Taabi`een. Why didn't they give their own Fatwaa?

Because you have to look, first of all, at what does Fatwaa actually mean?

This is the definition from al-Majallah al-Buhooth al-Islaamiyyah:

الإفتاء مصدر الفعل (أفتى)، والفتيا مأخوذة من فتى وفتو، وهي بمعنى (الإبانة)، يقال: أفتاه في الأمر إذا أبانه له.

وأصل (الفتوى) من الفتى وهو الشاب القوي الحدث فكأنه - أي المفتي - يقوي ما أبهم ببيانه وقوته العلمية .

وقد وردت هذه الكلمة بتصاريف مختلفة في كتاب الله، تدور

"Al-Iftaa is the root noun of the verb أفتى (Aftaa), and الفتيا (al-Fatyaa) is derived from فتى وفتو, and it gives the meaning of al-Ibaanah (clarification). It is said, "He gave him a Fatwaa in a matter," when he had clarified it (for the person). The origin of the word "Fatwaa" is from الفتى (al-Fataa), and al-Fataa means a strong young man. So it is as though the Mufti (i.e. the one giving Fatwaa) strengthens that which is unclear through his explanation and strength in `Ilm. This word appears in various forms in the Kitaab of Allaah."

An example is given:

ويستفتونك قل الله يفتيكم في الكلالة

"They ask you for a Fatwaa: Say: Allaah will give you the Fatwaa regarding al-Kalaalah." (Meaning, Allaah Ta`aalaa will clarify for you the matter of al-Kalaalah.)

So the linguistic meaning of al-Iftaa (i.e. giving Fatwaa) is at-Tawdheeh (to clarify).

In terms of Sharee`ah, Iftaa refers to informing someone of what the ruling of Sharee`ah is on a particular issue. It is for this reason that not just everyone can give Fatwaa: not every knows what the ruling of Sharee`ah is, so how can that person give Fatwaa in that issue? If a person does not know the Shar`i Ahkaam regarding Zakaah or Buyoo`, for example, then how can he give Fatwaa in those matters?

Majority of Fiqhi rulings were derived using Ijtihaad and were not clearly mentioned in Qur'aan and Sunnah. If a person rejects quoting Fiqh or quoting any Imaam, then we will ask him a simple question:

"Give the exact definition of Hadd and Ta`zeer from Qur'aan and Sunnah. Don't quote any Kitaab, or any Imaam, or any Shaykh, or any scholar."

A Fatwaa is to tell a person what the Sharee`ah says about a particular issue. To do so, the person must have studied the Sharee`ah. He must have studied Qur'aan and Sunnah (along with Tafseer, `Usool-ut-Tafseer - obviously he must be fluent in Arabic, because the Qur'aan and Ahaadeeth are only understood through Arabic - and Mustalahul Hadeeth, Usool-ul-Hadeeth, `Ilm-ur-Rijaal, Naasikh wal-Mansookh, Asbaab-un-Nuzool, Mutlaq wal-Muqayyad, etc.) and have studied Fiqh, Usool-ul-Fiqh, al-Qawaa`id al-Fiqh-hiyyah, Maqaasid-ush-Sharee`ah, etc. Once he Knows the Sharee`ah, he can now give Fatwaa on the Sharee`ah.

format_quote Originally Posted by Abz2000

Brother, everyone gives fatwas, i give fatwas to my children, the sahaabah would give fatwas despite never ever having read a book, sometimes they were wrong, one mujaahid sahabah brother with a head injury died because another sahaabah told him he had to make ghusl, the prophet pbuh told them they should have asked if they didn't know.....

No. When that incident took place, Rasoolullaah صلى الله عليه وسلم became Extremely angry and said, "They killed him! May Allaah kill them! Why did they not ask if they didn't know? The cure for ignorance is to ask!"

That is the consequence of unqualified people issuing Fataawaa.

The Qur'aan says:

فاسألوا أهل الذكر إن كنتم لا تعلمون

"Ask the people of knowledge if you do not know."

https://islamqa.info/en/21018

format_quote Originally Posted by aaj

I've heard of them and they seem to be on the Quran and Sunnah so you could say yes.

Read this:

https://www.scribd.com/doc/54601355/...he-Ahle-Hadith

http://www.deoband.net/uploads/2/1/0...35/taqleed.pdf

format_quote Originally Posted by Huzaifah ibn Adam

During the lifetime of Rasoolullaah صلى الله عليه وسلم, not all of the Sahaabah gave Fataawaa; only some did. They were:

1. Hadhrat Abu Bakr رضي الله عنه.
2. Hadhrat `Uthmaan رضي الله عنه.
3. Hadhrat `Ali رضي الله عنه.
4. Hadhrat `Abdur Rahmaan ibn `Awf رضي الله عنه.
5. Hadhrat `Abdullaah ibn Mas`ood رضي الله عنه.
6. Hadhrat Ubayy ibn Ka`b رضي الله عنه.
7. Hadhrat Mu`aadh ibn Jabal رضي الله عنه.
8. Hadhrat `Ammaar ibn Yaasir رضي الله عنه.
9. Hadhrat Huzaifah ibn al-Yamaan رضي الله عنه.
10. Hadhrat Zaid ibn Thaabit رضي الله عنه.
11. Hadhrat Abu-d Dardaa رضي الله عنه.
12. Hadhrat Abu Moosaa al-Ash`ari رضي الله عنه.
13. Hadhrat Salmaan al-Faarisi رضي الله عنه.

124,000 Sahaabah. Only 13 gave Fatwaa whilst Rasoolullaah صلى الله عليه وسلم was in this Dunyaa.

When Hadhrat Mu`aadh ibn Jabal, Hadhrat `Abdullaah ibn Mas`ood, Hadhrat Abu Moosaa al-Ash`ari, رضي الله عنهم were alive, the Taabi`een used to ask them the Fatwaa on different things. Why is that? They were Taabi`een. Why didn't they give their own Fatwaa?

Because you have to look, first of all, at what does Fatwaa actually mean?

This is the definition from al-Majallah al-Buhooth al-Islaamiyyah:

الإفتاء مصدر الفعل (أفتى)، والفتيا مأخوذة من فتى وفتو، وهي بمعنى (الإبانة)، يقال: أفتاه في الأمر إذا أبانه له.

وأصل (الفتوى) من الفتى وهو الشاب القوي الحدث فكأنه - أي المفتي - يقوي ما أبهم ببيانه وقوته العلمية .

وقد وردت هذه الكلمة بتصاريف مختلفة في كتاب الله، تدور

"Al-Iftaa is the root noun of the verb أفتى (Aftaa), and الفتيا (al-Fatyaa) is derived from فتى وفتو, and it gives the meaning of al-Ibaanah (clarification). It is said, "He gave him a Fatwaa in a matter," when he had clarified it (for the person). The origin of the word "Fatwaa" is from الفتى (al-Fataa), and al-Fataa means a strong young man. So it is as though the Mufti (i.e. the one giving Fatwaa) strengthens that which is unclear through his explanation and strength in `Ilm. This word appears in various forms in the Kitaab of Allaah."

An example is given:

ويستفتونك قل الله يفتيكم في الكلالة

"They ask you for a Fatwaa: Say: Allaah will give you the Fatwaa regarding al-Kalaalah." (Meaning, Allaah Ta`aalaa will clarify for you the matter of al-Kalaalah.)

format_quote Originally Posted by Huzaifah ibn Adam

So the linguistic meaning of al-Iftaa (i.e. giving Fatwaa) is at-Tawdheeh (to clarify).

In terms of Sharee`ah, Iftaa refers to informing someone of what the ruling of Sharee`ah is on a particular issue. It is for this reason that not just everyone can give Fatwaa: not every knows what the ruling of Sharee`ah is, so how can that person give Fatwaa in that issue? If a person does not know the Shar`i Ahkaam regarding Zakaah or Buyoo`, for example, then how can he give Fatwaa in those matters?

Majority of Fiqhi rulings were derived using Ijtihaad and were not clearly mentioned in Qur'aan and Sunnah. If a person rejects quoting Fiqh or quoting any Imaam, then we will ask him a simple question:

"Give the exact definition of Hadd and Ta`zeer from Qur'aan and Sunnah. Don't quote any Kitaab, or any Imaam, or any Shaykh, or any scholar."

A Fatwaa is to tell a person what the Sharee`ah says about a particular issue. To do so, the person must have studied the Sharee`ah. He must have studied Qur'aan and Sunnah (along with Tafseer, `Usool-ut-Tafseer - obviously he must be fluent in Arabic, because the Qur'aan and Ahaadeeth are only understood through Arabic - and Mustalahul Hadeeth, Usool-ul-Hadeeth, `Ilm-ur-Rijaal, Naasikh wal-Mansookh, Asbaab-un-Nuzool, Mutlaq wal-Muqayyad, etc.) and have studied Fiqh, Usool-ul-Fiqh, al-Qawaa`id al-Fiqh-hiyyah, Maqaasid-ush-Sharee`ah, etc. Once he Knows the Sharee`ah, he can now give Fatwaa on the Sharee`ah.

Brother, you gave us a long lecture on the meaning of fatwa and i appreciate that, please try to understand what i am trying to convey to you when i tell you that Islaam encompasses all aspects of life, and as humans, we all have different levels of knowledge on any given subject, and we give advice to the best of our knowledge when asked about something, whether it is our children, a neighbour, a shopkeeper that one idly chats with, or an injured person.
If we know the answer, we provide it, if we're uncertain, we do our best given the circumstances in obedience to Allah, if it is an issue that can wait, we obviously refer it to someone more knowledgeable, and above every knower, there is a knower - until Allah.
I am in no way claiming that those people who have studied fiqh and received a certificate are necessarily foolish, i am telling you that since the day Allah swt put Adam (as) on earth and through the time of Muhammad the final messenger of Allah to mankind may the blesings and peace of Allah be upon him, people have always had to do their best to obey Allah, to gain knowledge, and to make decisions.

When my son comes and asks me a question, i have to do my best to give him a solid and honest opinion, if i am uncertain, i check with a more knowledgeable source, if i get a bunch of differing opinions, then i still have to contemplate and process it whilst being honest and sincere in seeking to obey and please Allah.

If it is a medical issue and i'm uncertain, i might check with someone who's knowledgeable in medicine, if the doctor doesn't even check my child's heartbeat despite her complaint of severe chest pain and prescribes a load of drugs, i throw away the prescription and go get an ecg done (since Allah has made it lawful) and ask someone who can read an ecg printout to tell me their observations, now it is the duty of the person doing the ecg to get a correct reading and explain honestly, if they give me a false reading and i find no other lawful avenue of checking, i put my trust in Allah to judge and give her the foods which i know to be good for the heart and keep the mosquito coil and cigarette smoke away from her.

I hope you understand what i'm saying......ultimately we are all required to use our brains, otherwise nobody would have accepted Islam due to the pope or priest telling them that Islaam is false and nobody would have followed 'eesaa because their scholars told them that he was a devil's servant for healing a man on the sabbath.

The task of scholars is to become knowledgeable in their fields and learn as much as they can to their last breath and to be sincere and truthful in issuing opinions whilst obeying and pleasing Allah, however we make sure to be truthful and sincere in our acceptance of what they say.
Even Sheikh Hasinah has scholars.
When an imaam stated at jumu'ah that it is kabeerah gunah (major sin) not to have a beard, most of the congrgation must have believed him, but i knew it as false due to the fact that i had studied a bit if you see what i mean, and that doesn't mean that he doesn't have a certificate or that i am the most knowledgeable person.

Tualab al 'ilm fareedatun 'alaa kulli Muslim.

Know that neither the prophets, nor the sahaabah, nor the initial taabi'een had certificates, the certificate is a document to show that one has reached a certain level of study, the study is for the deen, not vice versa.

Also look into the situation and differing opinions in the split between "'Ali (ra) and Mu'aawiyah.... to understand the human nature on rulings.

And this:

http://www.abukhadeejah.com/ibn-baaz...-saudi-arabia/

http://www.memrijttm.org/jaysh-al-fa...-in-syria.html

format_quote Originally Posted by Zamtsa

Is Al Abu Bakar RA , The Prophet Al 'Iisa AS ?

Is Al Dzulkarnain AS In Surat Al Qur'aan Al A'zhiim : Al Kahfi , actually is Al 'Umar Ibn Khattab RA ?

Is Al 'Aali Ibn Abi Thalib RA , actually is Al Lukman Al Hakim AS ?

Brother, are you asking a question, or implicitly stating that you believe those names mentioned in the Qur'aan are in reference to the Khulafaa-e-Raashideen?

They are completely different people.