I know of many facts relating to science in the quran that have been proved to be ALHAMDULILAH 100 percent true but are there things that science has not advanced to prove as yet ? And furthermore are there any facts or signs in The Quran relating to this era of technology?
Yes,well I'm not sure it could be anti Islamics who wanna hate on Islam.Im currently looking at the expansion of the universe,in the Quran it says it is expanding but some people say it's not,it's "stretching" and obviously it's known and confirmed that the universe is expanding but what I don't understand is that,in a million years or so our galaxy will collide win another galaxy,Andromeda galaxy and we're getting closer to it and in a million years we will collide with it,which I don't know how the u inverse is expanding on that point.You got embryology,of course it's scientific,and there is a verse where it says the earth is made from smoke which I don't see any evidence supporting this,do you know about this ?
There are several unbelievably accuracte facts in The Quran , not only the expanding universe, embryology etc but on astronomy, animals, water cycle, general sciences , pain receptors in body, etc for a complete 2 hour talk on this u should watch Dr.Zakir Naiks Lecture on this matter
I know of many facts relating to science in the quran that have been proved to be ALHAMDULILAH 100 percent true but are there things that science has not advanced to prove as yet ? And furthermore are there any facts or signs in The Quran relating to this era of technology?
This would be quite impressive, as normally it works the other way round. In other words, scientists make a discovery, and then later on people claim that it was predicted or stated in the Qur'an. What hasn't happened yet, as far as I know, is people noticing a claim in the Qur'an which is then later confirmed by scientific research.
What hasn't happened yet, as far as I know, is people noticing a claim in the Qur'an which is then later confirmed by scientific research.
Mr Gibson, I thought you'd know better. We Muslims make several claims that have not been confirmed by scientific research until now. Should we enlist them here once again?
Just from the top of my head,
1. We believe in Allah, and we claim He is the One and Only God.
2. We claim angels are beings created from light.
3. We claim there is life after death.
4. We claim that there will be a Day of Resurrection.
5. We claim everyone will be judged according to their belief and actions.
6. We claim the existence of Paradise and Hell.
The list can go on and on. Science has not yet "discovered" all these. Once it does, then I want you to remember that we Muslims had already made all these claims.
Yes,well I'm not sure it could be anti Islamics who wanna hate on Islam.Im currently looking at the expansion of the universe,in the Quran it says it is expanding but some people say it's not,it's "stretching" and obviously it's known and confirmed that the universe is expanding but what I don't understand is that,in a million years or so our galaxy will collide win another galaxy,Andromeda galaxy and we're getting closer to it and in a million years we will collide with it,which I don't know how the u inverse is expanding on that point.You got embryology,of course it's scientific,and there is a verse where it says the earth is made from smoke which I don't see any evidence supporting this,do you know about this ?
Mr Gibson, I thought you'd know better. We Muslims make several claims that have not been confirmed by scientific research until now. Should we enlist them here once again?
Just from the top of my head,
1. We believe in Allah, and we claim He is the One and Only God.
2. We claim angels are beings created from light.
3. We claim there is life after death.
4. We claim that there will be a Day of Resurrection.
5. We claim everyone will be judged according to their belief and actions.
6. We claim the existence of Paradise and Hell.
Is this an attempt at humour?
Please read what I said again. I have bolded the important part for you:
What hasn't happened yet, as far as I know, is people noticing a claim in the Qur'an which is then later confirmed by scientific research.
Please read what I said again. I have bolded the important part for you:
What hasn't happened yet, as far as I know, is people noticing a claim in the Qur'an which is then later confirmed by scientific research.
Peace
The thing is,back then there was no technology what so ever...and it's not like every scientist knows that or this is mentioned in the Quran ?? We look at the discoveries,then we match then with the verses of the Quran.Did Stephen hawking said the expansion of the universe is mentioned in the Quran ? No,I know him and he's an ATHIEST,have you read the Quran ? I suppose not,it mentions the expansion of the universe,mountain having roots ( confirmed also by non Muslim scientists) embryology,water cycle,it says that the moon also has a derived light,in a meaning it's shines because of the Suns reflection.(it's known now) and it takes about how the earth is kind of an egg shape (ostrich like) which some scientists believe in even though some don't?...(I don't get it lol there are tons of pics of the earth from satellites) well you have to do some research,there are still some other scientific things that even science haven't discovered.We Muslims don't need scientific facts to know the Quran is from God,if you just read it and listen to it you would know it's from God.Infact,the Quran is the "speech" of God,many people mistake the Quran as a created book,but that's wrong,Quran means recitation aswell,and obviously the prophecies...the people of the past didn't need any scientific facts to accept the Quran and Islam,If you look at the fundamentals of it,it's amazing...but there are people like you who want scientific facts to accept the Quran,great scholars of Islam,who had the most brilliant minds of understanding islam,themselves didn't even want scientific facts,imam Abu hanifa said "believe in God without any evidence" it was his last words when he died,and he's telling that to us Muslims btw.See not everything needs to be scientific,yes okay it does matter at some point but Islam isn't a scientific group who does research...nor the Quran,yes it does have scientific related verses but God had to make it as simple as possible so the people of 1400 years ago can understand it.Obviously it's specific and complicated but this is gods magic,if you knew how to read,understand and talk Arabic you would get what I mean...
Please read what I said again. I have bolded the important part for you:
What hasn't happened yet, as far as I know, is people noticing a claim in the Qur'an which is then later confirmed by scientific research.
Peace
No, I am serious. If you are asking about past discoveries, then yes, Muslims already believed in everything revealed in the Quran before science discovered them. We may not have claimed them to be "scientific" facts but we still claimed them to be FACTS.
We do not base our belief or claims on science because we all know that scientific research is prone to error. We base our belief on revelation from Allah. ... and who is more truthful than Allah? [4:122]
(In the Name of God, the Most Beneficent, the Most Merciful)
Hi czgibson! I'd love to challenge you on this matter, though not today; I'm watching for the election results today. But yes, maybe the third weekend from today I'd love to do so. Then we can talk about some of these matters on either this thread or on a separate thread God-willing. And I'll also ask a guarantee from the mods that you won't be banned for the discussion God-willing. Let's wait for things to happen in their own time; good things come to those who wait.
And remember you did say that if you found compelling evidence, you'd be willing to move in that direction; and as you know, there's only one direction in which I am hoping you move as both your well-wisher and IB friend.
Sincere Regards & Best Wishes,
format_quote Originally Posted by czgibson
What hasn't happened yet, as far as I know, is people noticing a claim in the Qur'an which is then later confirmed by scientific research.
the whole idea isn't reliable - science is an ongoing method based on human finite empirical evidence. The Quran is revelation from God. Clearly scientific method itself cant measure the infinite. Furthermore the whole idea of the universe expanding or evolution or any other scientific fact if falsified in the future is not a fact anymore, which would leave the whole "science and the Quran movement" in trouble.
They merely:
Veiled themselves and didn't flaunt it
Sought forgiveness and didn't persist
Took ownership of it and don't justify it
And acted with excellence after they had erred - Ibn al-Qayyim
The Noble Quran is not Science but in tact and preserved more than science with there is no change in Allah's words and so is infallible for the past 1438 years . But science is also the mercy of Allah which helps us in our lives and Religion and also helps to prove the facts stated in the Noble Quran . Science can help us in our Eeman as Quran tells us to ponder over Allah's creation's to understand the SUPERMOST MIGHT of Allah so science with its invented products like telescope, microscope, astronomy etc we come to know all which was said in the noble Quran is true. We better judge science which is also fallible by the Noble Quran and not vice versa and there are indications in hadith that the Noble Quran will stay as a Living Miracle till the last days through which humans will coming to Islam.
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Quran as the last Testament from THE CREATOR of this Globe & Galaxies requires its Miracles had to be Continuous and immortal, and its verses contains expandable & Multiple meanings understandable or applicable then EVEN before 1430 years in the Desert among the Pagan Arabs, where just ordinary reading was a Privilege and UNDERSTANDABLE now TODAY in this scientific era. enough to everyone, even a layman to a student or to a scientist in the manner they will understand and the Quran will continue its mission untill the last days of the world by its miraculous nature of accommodating even the most recent scientific discoveries like here in this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g7BPeVRqBRM
Like both of you, I believe that Qur'an is a guidance book and not a science book. However, we also know truths from the Qur'an and Sunnah (prophetic footsteps) that have been confirmed by science. I well understand that science is parochial and therefore the knowledge dependent on available knowledge and tools; but I also know that there are some truths within Islam that will withstand the test of Time; and I'm only going to be having a conversation about truths that can and will.
I know of many facts relating to science in the quran that have been proved to be ALHAMDULILAH 100 percent true but are there things that science has not advanced to prove as yet ? And furthermore are there any facts or signs in The Quran relating to this era of technology?
science,theories,research and conclusions ,reports etc are always changing
society and attitudes to science and spirituality are also always in flux
it is neither imperative for science to prove the quran right or vice versa
we delve into dangerous territory when we search for proofs of truth
as islam is based on faith
there is a famous story of a saint who lost an argument to shaytaan after beating shaytan many times
in the end only unconditional faith saved him
(In the Name of God, the Most Beneficent, the Most Merciful)
(Peace be upon you)
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plzzz searchhh i wanna watch it :d challenge him! Do it!
Masha-Allah (as God willed), czgibson is very intelligent, and he's also articulate. So, you know, InshaAllah (God-willing) when I do make that type of thread, I'll need you to make duas (supplications) for both him and myself, for his guidance and for me to be blessed with the ability to do this sincerely and with success.
the whole idea isn't reliable - science is an ongoing method based on human finite empirical evidence. The Quran is revelation from God. Clearly scientific method itself cant measure the infinite. Furthermore the whole idea of the universe expanding or evolution or any other scientific fact if falsified in the future is not a fact anymore, which would leave the whole "science and the Quran movement" in trouble.
peace
But it's very well known and it's proven that the universe is expanding ??.....even the Quran says it...
Well, Immanuel Kant spent thousands of pages explaining why religious scripture cannot be phrased in theorems that can be investigated by science. It must consist of categorical imperatives. That means that it cannot be investigated by science.
format_quote Originally Posted by talibilm
We better judge science which is also fallible by the Noble Quran and not vice versa
As the purpose of the Quran is to establish Divine Law, i.e. the definitive list of forbidden behaviours, science is free to do what it wants, as long as it does not engage in behaviours forbidden by the scripture. For example, it is not allowed onto science to experimentally test on living persons that HIV causes AIDS and hence establish the link between HIV and AIDS scientifically. This link must forever remain conjectural.
So, yes, science must conduct its investigations within the limitations of the morality established by the Quran.
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