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    Hi everyone, so I am born a Muslim however, I grew up in a world where I wasn't really taught much about Islam. So I guess you could consider me as a new beginner in Islam. I started reading the Quran in English, and I have a small question if anyone is willing to help me. What is the definition/meaning of "sabbath"?

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    Re: Sabbath


    Assalam alaikum

    The Jews breach the Sanctity of the Sabbath
    -Tafsir Ibn Kathir (Abridged) – Al Baqarah


    The Prescription of the Sabbath for the Jews
    There is no doubt that for every nation, Allah prescribed one day of the week for people to gather to worship Him. For this Ummah He prescribed Friday, because it is the sixth day, on which Allah completed and perfected His creation. On this day He gathered and completed His blessings for His servants. It was said that Allah prescribed this day for the Children of Israel through His Prophet Musa, but they changed it and chose Saturday because it was the day on which the Creator did not create anything, as He had completed His creation on Friday. Allah made observance of the Sabbath obligatory for them in the laws of the Tawrah (Torah), telling them to keep the Sabbath. At the same time, He told them to follow Muhammad when he was sent, and took their promises and covenant to that effect. Hence Allah says: (The Sabbath was only prescribed for those who differed concerning it,) Mujahid said: “They observed the Sabbath (Saturday) and ignored Friday.” Then they continued to observe Saturday until Allah sent `Isa bin Maryam. It was said that he told them to change it to Sunday, and it was also said that he did not forsake the laws of the Tawrah except for a few rulings which were abrogated, and he continued to observe the Sabbath until he was taken up (into heaven). Afterwards, the Christians at the time of Constantine were the ones who changed it to Sunday in order to be different from the Jews, and they started to pray towards the east instead of facing the Dome (i.e., Jerusalem). And Allah knows best. It was reported in the Two Sahihs that Abu Hurayrah heard the Messenger of Allah say: (We are the last, but we will be the first on the Day of Resurrection, even though they were given the Book before us. This is the day that Allah obligated upon them, but they differed concerning it. Allah guided us to this day, and the people observe their days after us, the Jews on the following day and the Christians on the day after that.) This version was recorded by Al-Bukhari. It was reported that Abu Hurayrah and Hudhayfah said that the Messenger of Allah said: (Allah let the people who came before us stray from Friday, so the Jews had Saturday and the Christians had Sunday. Then Allah brought us and guided us to Friday. So now there are Friday, Saturday and Sunday, thus they will follow us on the Day of Resurrection. We are the last of the people of this world, but will be the first on the Day of Resurrection, and will be the first to be judged, before all of creation.) It was reported by Muslim.

    The Jews breach the Sanctity of the Sabbath
    (2.65. And indeed you knew those amongst you who transgressed in the matter of the Sabbath (i.e. Saturday). We said to them: “Be you monkeys, despised and rejected.”) (66. So We made this punishment an example for those in front of it and those behind it, and a lesson for Al-Muttaqin (the pious.) Allah said, (And indeed you knew). This Ayah means, O Jews! Remember that Allah sent His torment on the village that disobeyed Him and broke their pledge and their covenant to observe the sanctity of the Sabbath. They began using deceitful means to avoid honoring the Sabbath by placing nets, ropes and artificial pools of water for the purpose of fishing before the Sabbath. When the fish came in abundance on Saturday as usual, they were caught in the ropes and nets for the rest of Saturday. During the night, the Jews collected the fish after the Sabbath ended. When they did that, Allah changed them from humans into monkeys, the animals having the form closest to humans. Their evil deeds and deceit appeared lawful on the surface, but they were in reality wicked. This is why their punishment was compatible with their crime. This story is explained in detail in Surat Al-A`raf, where Allah said (7:163), (And ask them (O Muhammad ) about the town that was by the sea; when they transgressed in the matter of the Sabbath (i.e. Saturday): when their fish came to them openly on the Sabbath day, and did not come to them on the day they had no Sabbath. Thus We made a trial of them, for they used to rebel (disobey Allah).)(7:163) In his Tafsir, Al-`Awfi reported from Ibn `Abbas that he said, (We said to them: “Be you monkeys, despised and rejected”) means, “Allah changed their bodies into those of monkeys and swines. The young people turned into monkeys while the old people turned into swine.” Shayban An-Nahwi reported that Qatadah commented on, (We said to them: “Be you monkeys, despised and rejected”), “These people were turned into howling monkeys with tails, after being men and women.” The Monkeys and Swine that exist now are not the Descendants of Those that were transformed Ibn Abi Hatim recorded that Ibn `Abbas said, “Those who violated the sanctity of the Sabbath were turned into monkeys, then they perished without offspring.” Ad-Dahhak said that Ibn `Abbas said, “Allah turned them into monkeys because of their sins. They only lived on the earth for three days, for no transformed person ever lives more than three days. They did not eat, drink or have offspring. Allah transformed their shapes into monkeys, and He does what He wills, with whom He wills and He changes the shape of whomever He wills. On the other hand, Allah created the monkeys, swines and the rest of the creation in the six days (of creation) that He mentioned in His Book.” Allah’s statement, (So We made this punishment an example) means, Allah made the people of this village, who violated the sanctity of the Sabbath, (an example) via the way they were punished. Similarly, Allah said about Pharaoh, (So Allah, seized him with punishing example for his last and first transgression) (79:25). nAllah’s statement, (for those in front of it and those behind it) meaning, for the other villages. Ibn `Abbas commented, “Meaning, `We made this village an example for the villages around it by the manner in which We punished its people.”’ Similarly, Allah said, (And indeed We have destroyed towns (populations) round about you, and We have (repeatedly) shown (them) the Ayat (proofs, evidences, verses, lessons, signs, revelations, etc.) in various ways that they might return (to the truth and believe in the Oneness of Allah ـ Islamic Monotheism)).(46:27) Therefore, Allah made them an example for those who lived during their time as well as a reminder for those to come, by preserving their story. This is why Allah said, (and a lesson for Al-Muttaqin (the pious)), meaning, a reminder. This Ayah means, “The torment and punishment that this village suffered was a result of indulging in Allah’s prohibitions and their deceit. Hence, those who have Taqwa should be aware of their evil behavior, so that what occurred to this village does not befall them as well.” Also, Imam Abu `Abdullah bin Battah reported that Abu Hurayrah said that the Messenger of Allah said, (Do not commit what the Jews committed, breaching what Allah has forbidden, by resorting to the lowest types of deceit.) This Hadith has a good (Jayid) chain of narration.
    Allah knows best.
    https://abdurrahman.org/2014/01/27/breachingsabbath/

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    Re: Sabbath


    Sabbath literally means seventh in Arabic and in Hebrew and I believe, in most -if not all- semitic languages.
    It was made a strict holyday of rest which was prescribed upon the people and tribes who received direct guidance from Allah after leaving egypt with Musa - up until the sending of Muhammad to the whole world, when it was abrogated and the strict rest from business and entertainment was limited to the time of gathering on the day of gathering which is Friday and the command to rush to the remembrance of Allah (not of Shaytaan or part Shaytaan and part Allah) was given. (it is useful to read and make sense of surah al Kahf (chapter 18) of the Quran to understand what was implied there.).

    It is highly unlikely that they (the people to whom the scriptures were reavealed before the Quran) changed it from from Friday to Saturday since Sabbath (seventh) is stated in the Quran and not Sitth (sixth) as the day of rest and remembrance for the nations before Muhammad


    وَمَا اخْتَلَفْتُمْ فِيهِ مِن شَيْءٍ فَحُكْمُهُ إِلَى اللَّهِ ذَلِكُمُ اللَّهُ رَبِّي عَلَيْهِ تَوَكَّلْتُ وَإِلَيْهِ أُنِيبُ {10

    And in whatsoever you differ, the verdict goes to Allaah. Such is Allaah my Guardian Master, upon Him I put my trust, and unto Him I turn.

    Quran 42:10


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    Re: Sabbath


    I have been thinking about this issue further and would like to add some information that has me wondering.

    Allah does clearly tell us that He created the heavens and the earth in six days (however long those six days may be in His sight)


    إِنَّ رَبَّكُمُ اللّهُ الَّذِي خَلَقَ السَّمَاوَاتِ وَالأَرْضَ فِي سِتَّةِ أَيَّامٍ ثُمَّ اسْتَوَى عَلَى الْعَرْشِ يُغْشِي اللَّيْلَ النَّهَارَ يَطْلُبُهُ حَثِيثًا وَالشَّمْسَ وَالْقَمَرَ وَالنُّجُومَ مُسَخَّرَاتٍ بِأَمْرِهِ أَلاَ لَهُ الْخَلْقُ وَالأَمْرُ تَبَارَكَ اللّهُ رَبُّ الْعَالَمِينَ {

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    Verily Your Guardian-Lord is Allah, Who created the heavens and the earth in six days, then Istawa (rose over) the throne (in a manner that suits His Majesty) : He draws the night as a veil over the day, seeking it rapidly : and created the sun, and the moon, and the stars, (all) subservient by His command.
    Is it not His to create and to govern?
    Blessed be Allah, the Master (and Cherisher and Sustainer) of the worlds.


    اللَّهُ الَّذِي خَلَقَ السَّمَاوَاتِ وَالْأَرْضَ وَمَا بَيْنَهُمَا فِي سِتَّةِ أَيَّامٍ ثُمَّ اسْتَوَى عَلَى الْعَرْشِ مَا لَكُم مِّن دُونِهِ مِن وَلِيٍّ وَلَا شَفِيعٍ أَفَلَا تَتَذَكَّرُونَ {4

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    Allah it is He Who has created the heavens and the earth, and all that is between them in six Days. Then He Istawa (rose over) the Throne (in a manner that suits His Majesty). You (mankind) have none, besides Him, as a Wali (protector or helper etc.) or an intercessor. Will you not then remember (or be admonished)?
    B



    إِنَّمَا جُعِل السَّبْتُ عَلَى الَّذِينَ اخْتَلَفُواْ فِيهِ وَإِنَّ رَبَّكَ لَيَحْكُمُ بَيْنَهُمْ يَوْمَ الْقِيَامَةِ فِيمَا كَانُواْ فِيهِ يَخْتَلِفُونَ {

    124

    The Sabbath was only made/placed/put in place/set in place for those who differed concerning it, and verily, your Lord will judge between them on the Day of Resurrection in that wherein they used to differ.



    فَبِظُلْمٍ مِّنَ الَّذِينَ هَادُواْ حَرَّمْنَا عَلَيْهِمْ طَيِّبَاتٍ أُحِلَّتْ لَهُمْ وَبِصَدِّهِمْ عَن سَبِيلِ اللّهِ كَثِيراً {160

    004:160
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    For the wrong-doing of the Jews, We made unlawful to them certain things which were good and pure which were lawful to them, and for their turning away from Allah's way many;

    So if Friday's the last day, but they said that God rested on the seventh, so they should therefore rest - even though no fatigue or slumber siezes Him, is it possible that they argued so incessantly that He told them to do NOTHING on the day after to the extent that they weren't even allowed to pick manna and even went as far as trying to stone a person for healing (by Allah's leave) a man on the sabbath?
    (I still recall one of my brothers telling me that jews don't use technology on Saturday so I decided to see what happened one day when there was a forelocked man at the traffic light in Stamford Hill, it was one of those non-junction people crossings where you have to press it so I waited and waited and he waited and waited until someone else came and pressed it).
    But all this would indicate that there are six days in a week and not seven since we are to gather on the last (under normal circumstances).
    Allah knows best but this is a very interesting topic.
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    Re: Sabbath


    My sisters observe the sabbath (they're Jewish). It's supposed to be a day of rest.

    They observe the sabbath from right before sunset on Friday, until Saturday night. I'm not exactly sure how many hours it is though.

    I don't know if it has a different meaning in Islam.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lana_Del_Bae View Post
    My sisters observe the sabbath (they're Jewish). It's supposed to be a day of rest.

    They observe the sabbath from right before sunset on Friday, until Saturday night. I'm not exactly sure how many hours it is though.

    I don't know if it has a different meaning in Islam.
    According to that logic, they should be following the president/prime minister/dictator before the last one and not the current one, and if they do something that violates a current law and see how it goes in court before the judge - and it is the duty of every human being to sincerely follow the truth and be just.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Abz2000 View Post
    According to that logic, they should be following the president/prime minister/dictator before the last one and not the current one, and if they do something that violates a current law and see how it goes in court before the judge - and it is the duty of every human being to sincerely follow the truth and be just.
    Idk man, it's their religious beliefs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lana_Del_Bae View Post
    Idk man, it's their religious beliefs.
    Ummm
    So their holyday is a blank day that's not a part of the week, when they claim God rested from His work, (but actually started to run the government of the universe), it's after week-end, which is actually next week-beginning, and before sunday, which is week beginning.......I'm sort of confused now.

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    And your holydays are dictated by the closing of the usury establishments, which are decided re-legion (for the masses) by Godless politicians and kings and queens who allot holy days as bank holydays which is the time when usurers rest from enslaving and manipulating the masses with the aim of leeching them dry? and sometimes the bank holy days are alloted to days when princes marry? And the re-legion and way of life that you accept is that dictated by the supreme authority of people like Donald Trump who you don't really agree with mostly, but may effect your life significantly in future, what will you or your children do then?
    Donald Trump and Elizabeth Battenberg declaring holy days.
    Whispers "Wow!" under breath - just hope trump or sarkozy don't say that - you don't want to get bundled away to some dungeon.
    Please think.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Abz2000 View Post
    Ummm
    So their holyday is a blank day that's not a part of the week, when they claim God rested from His work, (but actually started to run the government of the universe), it's after week-end, which is actually next week-beginning, and before sunday, which is week beginning.......I'm sort of confused now.

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    And your holydays are dictated by the closing of the usury establishments, which are decided re-legion (for the masses) by Godless politicians and kings and queens who allot holy days as bank holydays which is the time when usurers rest from enslaving and manipulating the masses with the aim of leeching them dry? and sometimes the bank holy days are alloted to days when princes marry? And the re-legion and way of life that you accept is that dictated by the supreme authority of people like Donald Trump who you don't really agree with mostly, but may effect your life significantly in future, what will you or your children do then?
    Donald Trump and Elizabeth Battenberg declaring holy days.
    Whispers "Wow!" under breath - just hope trump or sarkozy don't say that - you don't want to get bundled away to some dungeon.
    Please think.


    I'm not even gonna lie, I read this like 5 times and still not sure what you're trying to say. I think this heat and humidity is frying my brain today.

    But okay, whatever you say my dude.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lana_Del_Bae View Post
    I'm not even gonna lie, I read this like 5 times and still not sure what you're trying to say. I think this heat and humidity is frying my brain today.

    But okay, whatever you say my dude.

    I am not your lawful wedded hubby so I can't be your dude hun

    Maybe try these easy excercises and you may find it easie

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    The black circle represents all Smaugs, the red circle represents all Toogs, and the green circle represents all Ficks.)
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    If God created the heavens and earth in six days, and what we know to be sunday - the first, then what we know to be friday - would be the last, and that would mean the week has six days, with Friday being week end.
    If He began running the government on the seventh, and continued to run it thereafter..... what is the logic in arguing about God resting, and adding a day? If you add a day, you would make seven, but that would ignore the cycle, so logically, when you think about the possibility that God got angry at your illogical arguments and said "don't work", and you stone the person who picks manna on that day to death, and things become difficult for you, and you get punished for leaving the net set to autocatch so you can gather the fish on sunday, and you feel compelled to wait for someone else to press the traffic light button on saturday, and then another messenger comes and you try to stone him for healing a man on saturday (illogically disregarding the fact that man born blind was just healed - see John 9 if you will), and the holy day is later moved to sunday not as a day of doing nothing but as a holy day for celebration (eid), and then the final messenger whom you've been awaiting comes and it's moved to the meeting time on Friday (week end). It indicates that God was setting the stage for a logical return.
    It indicates that there are actually six days in a weekly cycle.


    Especially when taking the following into account:


    إِنَّ عِدَّةَ الشُّهُورِ عِندَ اللّهِ اثْنَا عَشَرَ شَهْرًا فِي كِتَابِ اللّهِ يَوْمَ خَلَقَ السَّمَاوَات وَالأَرْضَ مِنْهَا أَرْبَعَةٌ حُرُمٌ ذَلِكَ الدِّينُ الْقَيِّمُ فَلاَ تَظْلِمُواْ فِيهِنَّ أَنفُسَكُمْ وَقَاتِلُواْ الْمُشْرِكِينَ كَآفَّةً كَمَا يُقَاتِلُونَكُمْ كَآفَّةً وَاعْلَمُواْ أَنَّ اللّهَ مَعَ الْمُتَّقِينَ {36

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    Verily, the number of months with Allah is twelve months (in a year), so was it ordained by Allah on the Day when He created the heavens and the earth; of them four are Sacred, (i.e. the 1st, the 7th, the 11th and the 12th months of the Islamic calendar). That is the right religion, so wrong not yourselves therein, and fight against the Mushrikun (polytheists, pagans, idolaters, disbelievers in the Oneness of Allah) collectively, as they fight against you collectively. But know that Allah is with those who are Al-Muttaqun (the pious - see V.2:2).


    إِنَّمَا النَّسِيءُ زِيَادَةٌ فِي الْكُفْرِ يُضَلُّ بِهِ الَّذِينَ كَفَرُواْ يُحِلِّونَهُ عَامًا وَيُحَرِّمُونَهُ عَامًا لِّيُوَاطِؤُواْ عِدَّةَ مَا حَرَّمَ اللّهُ فَيُحِلُّواْ مَا حَرَّمَ اللّهُ زُيِّنَ لَهُمْ سُوءُ أَعْمَالِهِمْ وَاللّهُ لاَ يَهْدِي الْقَوْمَ الْكَافِرِينَ {37

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    The postponing (of a Sacred Month) is indeed an addition to denial (kufr): thereby the disbelievers are led astray, for they make it lawful one year and forbid it another year in order to adjust the number of months forbidden by Allah, and make such forbidden ones lawful. The evil of their deeds seems pleasing to them. And Allah guides not the people, who deny truth (commit kufr).




    In the lunisolar Hebrew calendar, Adar Aleph, a 13th lunar month, is added seven times every 19 years to the twelve lunar months in its common years to keep its calendar year from drifting through the seasons.


    يَسْأَلُونَكَ عَنِ الأهِلَّةِ قُلْ هِيَ مَوَاقِيتُ لِلنَّاسِ وَالْحَجِّ وَلَيْسَ الْبِرُّ بِأَنْ تَأْتُوْاْ الْبُيُوتَ مِن ظُهُورِهَا وَلَـكِنَّ الْبِرَّ مَنِ اتَّقَى وَأْتُواْ الْبُيُوتَ مِنْ أَبْوَابِهَا وَاتَّقُواْ اللّهَ لَعَلَّكُمْ تُفْلِحُونَ {189

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    They ask you about the new moons. Say: These are signs to mark fixed periods of time for mankind and for the pilgrimage. It is not Al-Birr (piety, righteousness, etc.) that you enter the houses from the back but Al-Birr (is the quality of the one) who fears Allah. So enter houses through their proper doors, and fear Allah that you may be successful.





    See also:

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nasi%27

    https://www.quora.com/Which-calender...Lunar-or-Solar

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leap_year

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List...tes_for_Easter

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lunar_calendar



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    In the United Kingdom in 2000 and 2011, the May Day bank holiday (holy day ) was one week after Easter Monday, causing there to be three consecutive weeks with a bank holiday. In 2011, a bank holiday was declared on Friday 29 April for the Wedding of Prince William and Catherine Middleton;[1] consequently there were four bank holidays within three consecutive calendar weeks (including two in one week), creating two consecutive four-day weekends (Friday 22 — Monday 25 April and Friday 29 April — Monday 2 May), with a three-day working week in between (Tuesday 26 — Thursday 28 April).
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    I am not your lawful wedded hubby so I can't be your dude hun

    Maybe try these easy excercises and you may find it easie

    Which statement best describes the diagram?

    All Ravs are Zorgs, and some Flumps are Zorgs
    Some Zorgs are Ravs, and some Flumps are Ravs
    All Flumps are Ravs, and some Zorgs are Flumps
    All Zorgs are Ravs, and some Flumps are Ravs
    'd' is the region of Zorgs


    The black circle represents all Smaugs, the red circle represents all Toogs, and the green circle represents all Ficks.)
    Which region represents "Things that are all three: Smaugs, Ficks, and Toogs".

    a, b, d, e, or f?


    "If all Bloobs are Toogs and no Toogs are Goppers, then we can be certain that absolutely no Goppers are Bloobs."
    This statement is:

    A. true,
    B.false,
    C. neither.



    If all toogs are yubbs, some yubbs are fims, and all fims are hamms, then some toogs must be hamms?

    A. True
    B. False


    If God created the heavens and earth in six days, and what we know to be sunday - the first, then what we know to be friday - would be the last, and that would mean the week has six days, with Friday being week end.
    If He began running the government on the seventh, and continued to run it thereafter..... what is the logic in arguing about God resting, and adding a day? If you add a day, you would make seven, but that would ignore the cycle, so logically, when you think about the possibility that God got angry at your illogical arguments and said "don't work", and you stone the person who picks manna on that day to death, and things become difficult for you, and you get punished for leaving the net set to autocatch so you can gather the fish on sunday, and you feel compelled to wait for someone else to press the traffic light button on saturday, and then another messenger comes and you try to stone him for healing a man on saturday (illogically disregarding the fact that man born blind was just healed - see John 9 if you will), and the holy day is later moved to sunday not as a day of doing nothing but as a holy day for celebration (eid), and then the final messenger whom you've been awaiting comes and it's moved to the meeting time on Friday (week end). It indicates that God was setting the stage for a logical return.
    It indicates that there are actually six days in a weekly cycle.


    Especially when taking the following into account:


    إِنَّ عِدَّةَ الشُّهُورِ عِندَ اللّهِ اثْنَا عَشَرَ شَهْرًا فِي كِتَابِ اللّهِ يَوْمَ خَلَقَ السَّمَاوَات وَالأَرْضَ مِنْهَا أَرْبَعَةٌ حُرُمٌ ذَلِكَ الدِّينُ الْقَيِّمُ فَلاَ تَظْلِمُواْ فِيهِنَّ أَنفُسَكُمْ وَقَاتِلُواْ الْمُشْرِكِينَ كَآفَّةً كَمَا يُقَاتِلُونَكُمْ كَآفَّةً وَاعْلَمُواْ أَنَّ اللّهَ مَعَ الْمُتَّقِينَ {36

    009:036
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    Verily, the number of months with Allah is twelve months (in a year), so was it ordained by Allah on the Day when He created the heavens and the earth; of them four are Sacred, (i.e. the 1st, the 7th, the 11th and the 12th months of the Islamic calendar). That is the right religion, so wrong not yourselves therein, and fight against the Mushrikun (polytheists, pagans, idolaters, disbelievers in the Oneness of Allah) collectively, as they fight against you collectively. But know that Allah is with those who are Al-Muttaqun (the pious - see V.2:2).


    إِنَّمَا النَّسِيءُ زِيَادَةٌ فِي الْكُفْرِ يُضَلُّ بِهِ الَّذِينَ كَفَرُواْ يُحِلِّونَهُ عَامًا وَيُحَرِّمُونَهُ عَامًا لِّيُوَاطِؤُواْ عِدَّةَ مَا حَرَّمَ اللّهُ فَيُحِلُّواْ مَا حَرَّمَ اللّهُ زُيِّنَ لَهُمْ سُوءُ أَعْمَالِهِمْ وَاللّهُ لاَ يَهْدِي الْقَوْمَ الْكَافِرِينَ {37

    009:037
    :
    The postponing (of a Sacred Month) is indeed an addition to denial (kufr): thereby the disbelievers are led astray, for they make it lawful one year and forbid it another year in order to adjust the number of months forbidden by Allah, and make such forbidden ones lawful. The evil of their deeds seems pleasing to them. And Allah guides not the people, who deny truth (commit kufr).




    In the lunisolar Hebrew calendar, Adar Aleph, a 13th lunar month, is added seven times every 19 years to the twelve lunar months in its common years to keep its calendar year from drifting through the seasons.


    يَسْأَلُونَكَ عَنِ الأهِلَّةِ قُلْ هِيَ مَوَاقِيتُ لِلنَّاسِ وَالْحَجِّ وَلَيْسَ الْبِرُّ بِأَنْ تَأْتُوْاْ الْبُيُوتَ مِن ظُهُورِهَا وَلَـكِنَّ الْبِرَّ مَنِ اتَّقَى وَأْتُواْ الْبُيُوتَ مِنْ أَبْوَابِهَا وَاتَّقُواْ اللّهَ لَعَلَّكُمْ تُفْلِحُونَ {189

    002:189
    :
    They ask you about the new moons. Say: These are signs to mark fixed periods of time for mankind and for the pilgrimage. It is not Al-Birr (piety, righteousness, etc.) that you enter the houses from the back but Al-Birr (is the quality of the one) who fears Allah. So enter houses through their proper doors, and fear Allah that you may be successful.





    See also:

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nasi%27

    https://www.quora.com/Which-calender...Lunar-or-Solar

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leap_year

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List...tes_for_Easter

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lunar_calendar



    And Allah knows best.



    In the United Kingdom in 2000 and 2011, the May Day bank holiday (holy day ) was one week after Easter Monday, causing there to be three consecutive weeks with a bank holiday. In 2011, a bank holiday was declared on Friday 29 April for the Wedding of Prince William and Catherine Middleton;[1] consequently there were four bank holidays within three consecutive calendar weeks (including two in one week), creating two consecutive four-day weekends (Friday 22 — Monday 25 April and Friday 29 April — Monday 2 May), with a three-day working week in between (Tuesday 26 — Thursday 28 April).
    Okay.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lana_Del_Bae View Post
    Okay.
    Someone or other will read it so no worries

    Remember though - 24x6=144, 6x5=30 30x12=360 360x3.5=1,260
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    Quote Originally Posted by Abz2000 View Post
    Someone or other will read it so no worries

    Remember though - 24x6=144, 6x5=30 30x12=360 360x3.5=1,260
    That "okay." was from grumpy, midnight Lana who just came home with a splitting migraine headache and assumed that you were being sarcastic (I only read the first couple lines from the post lol). I'll give you a proper response shortly.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Abz2000 View Post
    I am not your lawful wedded hubby so I can't be your dude hun
    Don't call me hun, sweetie. Jk, but "my dude" basically means "my friend" 'round these here parts. No harm.

    Quote Originally Posted by Abz2000 View Post
    Which statement best describes the diagram?

    All Ravs are Zorgs, and some Flumps are Zorgs
    Some Zorgs are Ravs, and some Flumps are Ravs
    All Flumps are Ravs, and some Zorgs are Flumps
    All Zorgs are Ravs, and some Flumps are Ravs
    'd' is the region of Zorgs


    The black circle represents all Smaugs, the red circle represents all Toogs, and the green circle represents all Ficks.)
    Which region represents "Things that are all three: Smaugs, Ficks, and Toogs".

    a, b, d, e, or f?
    Took me a min to realize that the diagram was in the previous post. But anyways, I'm going to go with e, final answer. My bad if I'm wrong, it's been a while since I solved any logic questions.

    Quote Originally Posted by Abz2000 View Post
    "If all Bloobs are Toogs and no Toogs are Goppers, then we can be certain that absolutely no Goppers are Bloobs."
    This statement is:

    A. true,
    B.false,
    C. neither.
    True, final answer.

    Quote Originally Posted by Abz2000 View Post
    If all toogs are yubbs, some yubbs are fims, and all fims are hamms, then some toogs must be hamms?

    A. True
    B. False
    True.

    Quote Originally Posted by Abz2000 View Post
    If God created the heavens and earth in six days, and what we know to be sunday - the first, then what we know to be friday - would be the last, and that would mean the week has six days, with Friday being week end.
    If He began running the government on the seventh, and continued to run it thereafter..... what is the logic in arguing about God resting, and adding a day? If you add a day, you would make seven, but that would ignore the cycle, so logically, when you think about the possibility that God got angry at your illogical arguments and said "don't work", and you stone the person who picks manna on that day to death, and things become difficult for you, and you get punished for leaving the net set to autocatch so you can gather the fish on sunday, and you feel compelled to wait for someone else to press the traffic light button on saturday, and then another messenger comes and you try to stone him for healing a man on saturday (illogically disregarding the fact that man born blind was just healed - see John 9 if you will), and the holy day is later moved to sunday not as a day of doing nothing but as a holy day for celebration (eid), and then the final messenger whom you've been awaiting comes and it's moved to the meeting time on Friday (week end). It indicates that God was setting the stage for a logical return.
    It indicates that there are actually six days in a weekly cycle.
    I'm not religious, so this issue is of no real concern to me. The religions all have their holy days which are to be respected, in my opinion. I don't observe the sabbath (I'm not Jewish culturally or religiously), but my sisters chose to be Jews and this is something near and dear to them. I'm not going to tell them that their views are faulty/wrong, especially since sabbath observance is a significant part of their lives now. My parents and little sister go to church on Sundays every now and again, and that is their right. Muslims have every right to regard Fridays as their holy day.

    Quote Originally Posted by Abz2000 View Post
    In the lunisolar Hebrew calendar, Adar Aleph, a 13th lunar month, is added seven times every 19 years to the twelve lunar months in its common years to keep its calendar year from drifting through the seasons.
    I didn't know this, thanks for the info.

    Quote Originally Posted by Abz2000 View Post
    In the United Kingdom in 2000 and 2011, the May Day bank holiday (holy day ) was one week after Easter Monday, causing there to be three consecutive weeks with a bank holiday. In 2011, a bank holiday was declared on Friday 29 April for the Wedding of Prince William and Catherine Middleton;[1] consequently there were four bank holidays within three consecutive calendar weeks (including two in one week), creating two consecutive four-day weekends (Friday 22 — Monday 25 April and Friday 29 April — Monday 2 May), with a three-day working week in between (Tuesday 26 — Thursday 28 April).
    Didn't know this as well, since I don't really pay much attention to anything that happens in the UK, but I do remember all the excitement in the US with the royal wedding. They televised even it on tv; there was no escape from the coverage. It was extremely annoying to say the least. I had no idea they declared it a holiday, but I'm also not surprised to hear that they did.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lana_Del_Bae View Post
    Don't call me hun, sweetie. Jk, but "my dude" basically means "my friend" 'round these here parts. No harm.
    I didn't think you were trying to own me, I just felt I needed to clarify, just this thing with me that I've become more analytical and it works better.

    Quote Originally Posted by Lana_Del_Bae View Post
    Took me a min to realize that the diagram was in the previous post. But anyways, I'm going to go with e, final answer. My bad if I'm wrong, it's been a while since I solved any logic questions.
    Yup, easy.

    Quote Originally Posted by Lana_Del_Bae View Post
    True, final answer.
    You playing millionaire or sumfin?
    Yup

    Quote Originally Posted by Lana_Del_Bae View Post
    True.
    Nope.
    If all cats are 4legged critters, and some 4legged critters are cows, and all cows moo, then some cats also moo?



    Quote Originally Posted by Lana_Del_Bae View Post
    I'm not religious, so this issue is of no real concern to me.
    Of course you are, everybody who lives in a community has a mutually accepted way of life for communal purposes.
    All people have someone or something which they accept as having the most authority - and that is their god.

    Muslims live on Islam (submission to the laws and rules of God (which is more communal, material, and action based)), and die on eemaan (which is more personal and relevant).

    Quote Originally Posted by Lana_Del_Bae View Post
    The religions all have their holy days which are to be respected, in my opinion.
    God knows best, it becomes a bit complicated when a person is forced to follow a way and submit to a leader when they are born in a land from which they can't legally or practically move - that's when it becomes compulsory against their will - a result of national tribalism.

    Quote Originally Posted by Lana_Del_Bae View Post
    I don't observe the sabbath (I'm not Jewish culturally or religiously), but my sisters chose to be Jews and this is something near and dear to them. I'm not going to tell them that their views are faulty/wrong, especially since sabbath observance is a significant part of their lives now. My parents and little sister go to church on Sundays every now and again, and that is their right. Muslims have every right to regard Fridays as their holy day.
    Aha, the "judeo-christian" card I've seen that one many times, though between you and me, I know it's an emotional ploy and has no real logic to it, jesus the lying imposter and jesus the god and son of god and prophet all bundled into one for the lazy - especially with all that's going on over there.
    But anyway, if you know that a loved one is doing something wrong in ignorance, it's only natural that a loved one informs them. Like you sure would tell someone that their flies are open if you care about them or if you need them to be civilized.

    It's also not good for elders to tell children that father christmas exists when they know he doesn't, it harms them psychologically and affects their neuron pathways and trust signals. It's also not good to tell people that God doesn't exist when they know that he does, it get's them in trouble later.

    Quote Originally Posted by Lana_Del_Bae View Post
    I didn't know this, thanks for the info.
    U is welcome, it may help when deciding in life -even if later- if there is a later that is, and also anyone else who reads.


    Quote Originally Posted by Lana_Del_Bae View Post
    Didn't know this as well, since I don't really pay much attention to anything that happens in the UK, but I do remember all the excitement in the US with the royal wedding. They televised even it on tv; there was no escape from the coverage. It was extremely annoying to say the least. I had no idea they declared it a holiday, but I'm also not surprised to hear that they did.
    Again, maybe useful information, it may align like a new song soon inshaAllah, coz where it all comes from is no mystery, the changing of the seasons and the tides of the sea.....

    Think.




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